tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post1162318071126149859..comments2023-10-28T03:14:44.519-07:00Comments on Calhouns Can(n)ons: Another Sewer PetitionNewsstandGreghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-18472157662118203532012-02-09T09:58:54.456-08:002012-02-09T09:58:54.456-08:00The difference is, anon 9:58... you deserve it... ...The difference is, anon 9:58... you deserve it... in spades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-81487671418110068452012-02-08T21:58:37.775-08:002012-02-08T21:58:37.775-08:00Weird-o. Wonder how long it will be before we get ...Weird-o. Wonder how long it will be before we get another erudition regarding the importance of civility as long as it doesn't come from someone "they" don't like. Completely ok though to put taunts,baits and bullocks out there like this. That's the royal shaft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-55278880275484574552012-02-08T10:23:52.537-08:002012-02-08T10:23:52.537-08:00Here's a riddle for you. Below is a name. With...Here's a riddle for you. Below is a name. Within the name is Lynette's former occupation. See if you can figure it out -- and it's not a lady golfer:<br /><br /><b>ROSE PUTTIT</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-76028617055487729552012-02-08T01:00:25.829-08:002012-02-08T01:00:25.829-08:00Lynette, get a life. Seriously.Lynette, get a life. Seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-83855825445279099852012-02-07T23:50:34.730-08:002012-02-07T23:50:34.730-08:00Well then, pleasant dreams.Well then, pleasant dreams.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-30723618033921533432012-02-07T23:21:51.573-08:002012-02-07T23:21:51.573-08:00Lynette -
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZLynette - <br /><br />ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZFOGSWAMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14094960232554363985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-77132392620106178232012-02-07T21:58:20.908-08:002012-02-07T21:58:20.908-08:00FOG, the document that you cite is a proposal and ...FOG, the document that you cite is a <b>proposal</b> and that is what I am talking about. They claim in that <b>proposal</b> that they are eliminating some pump stations. Nowhere does it say they are digging deeper EVERYWHERE, only, possibly, the places that the modeling will show there could be a problem. They are avoiding that as much as they can just as they are avoiding using grinder pumps as much as they can - because like STEP, the cost burden shifts from the project onto the property owner.<br /><br />Please show me in that document where they say they are adding the pump stations.I see where they are eliminating two and possibly even two more.<br /><br />The "gravity-glazed" I believe you refer to are actually the people in the PZ who responded in the survey in favor of gravity. Guess having the already ratty streets torn up was preferable to having their yards torn up?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-12774339741979841342012-02-07T19:04:54.034-08:002012-02-07T19:04:54.034-08:00Jeez Luise Toons, are you getting Alzheimer's,...Jeez Luise Toons, are you getting Alzheimer's, or what?<br /><br />We do in fact know what modifications to the plan are needed, as was clearly explained to you. Also believed & printed in the Bureau of Engineering Manuel.<br /><br />You stated it yourself, "The project is more costly because we have to go deeper". <br /><br />To make it work in our hilly environment we will have to add more pump stations because we have to do shorter runs to stay above allowable depths.<br /><br />IMHO, CDM is just milking the cash-cow and dancing to the tune played by our gravity-glazed County Supervisors, for political gain. <br /><br />Pour yourself another stiff Grey Goose dirty matinee and lighten-up a wee bit.FOGSWAMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14094960232554363985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-51326822512006763692012-02-07T17:43:17.970-08:002012-02-07T17:43:17.970-08:00Let me amplify: CDM wants to avoid making the proj...Let me amplify: CDM wants to <b>avoid</b> making the project more costly by going deeper, paragraph 3, page 66. Hence running the models to locate only the places that need help. We don't know what those modifications will be yet. <br /><br />They also propose to lower costs by eliminating some pump stations.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-58777202716159797752012-02-07T14:54:34.052-08:002012-02-07T14:54:34.052-08:00FOG, not every area will have problems, which is w...FOG, not every area will have problems, which is why they are trying to identify those areas that are. Then they will find solutions for those areas. Do you fear that there are no solutions?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-11579511947736567642012-02-07T13:40:20.125-08:002012-02-07T13:40:20.125-08:00Lynette - you stated "I think your fears shou...Lynette - you stated "I think your fears should be put to rest", however you bring absolutely nothing to the table that would put any sane persons brain to rest.<br /><br />The 'model' you refer to, has been around for a coons age and has proven over & over again that a minimum slope/velocity is required "let the stuff sit in the pipe and fester".<br /><br />The results of the aforementioned are readily available and printed/adopted by engineers/cities across the nation. Read the Bureau of Engineering Manual - Part F - Sewer Design parts - F251, F252 & F253.<br /><br />F252 - Manning's Roughness Coefficient "n" = 0.014 shall be used for sizing gravity pipes. this Manning's<br />Roughness coefficient shall be used 'regardless of the type of pipe specified'.<br /><br />f253 - Minimum Slope - gravity sewers shall be designed for minimum velocity of three feet per second.<br /><br />Low flush toiiets & the resulting low flow gravity sewage collection system, is a relatively new problem that came about around 1994 when federal law required "low flow" toilets which created a larger stinky problem as in San Francisco. <br /><br />Why do we need a 'model' to identify the pipelines that will not achieve a satisfactory cleansing velocity under any flow generation, using low-flow toilets?<br /><br />It comes across as just another unnecessary study<br />to generate a greater 'cash flow' for CDM, because they have already told us in writing that a Gravity Collection System will not work sustainably unless we dig deeper and costlier.FOGSWAMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14094960232554363985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-77916816268202064762012-02-07T01:53:13.130-08:002012-02-07T01:53:13.130-08:00Hi FOG, found the reference at this link:
http://...Hi FOG, found the reference at this link:<br /><br /><a href="http://slocounty.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=1078&meta_id=212759" rel="nofollow">http://slocounty.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=1078&meta_id=212759</a><br /><br />Look at page 66 (of 331), for those who want to follow along.<br /><br />CDM will be using EPASWMM or InfoSWMM to verify their solution to the effects of lower flows using the smoother pipe that they mention. Models are used all the time to vet solutions to problems.<br /><br />Here is some info on EPASWMM, and I am referencing page 132, last paragraph, last sentence:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/pubs/600r09077/600r09077.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/pubs/600r09077/600r09077.pdf</a><br /><br /><i>Although the focus of this example is on combined systems, many of the same modeling elements it employs (wastewater inflows, pump stations, and force mains) can also be used to model separate sanitary sewer systems.</i><br /><br />(See also page 12 for the introduction.)<br /><br />Below you will find a link to downloads of the 11 versions of this modeling software which was first developed in 1971:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.chiwater.com/Software/SWMM/swmmdownload.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.chiwater.com/Software/SWMM/swmmdownload.asp</a><br /><br />It has been around a long time and used many places. I'm too lazy to research the other one mentioned, InfoSWMM, but the reason they are using the software is (back to the page 66 above):<br /><br /><i>The model will help identify the pipeline reaches that do not achieve a satisfactory cleansing velocity at least once a day under either flow generation scenario. This will enable us to quickly and efficiently focus our efforts in addressing problem areas.</i><br /><br />Really, I think your fears should be put to rest. They aren't going to let stuff sit in the pipes and fester.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-72660012346179785772012-02-06T17:55:23.575-08:002012-02-06T17:55:23.575-08:00Thanks FOGSWAMP, I will go looking for them tonigh...Thanks FOGSWAMP, I will go looking for them tonight!Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-60821646475962917712012-02-06T12:41:34.424-08:002012-02-06T12:41:34.424-08:00Lynette is still here? Her husband is about to get...Lynette is still here? Her husband is about to get fired for writing rape poetry about Julie Tacker from his Cal Poly office, and she's still here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-47454862955709333482012-02-06T08:21:12.796-08:002012-02-06T08:21:12.796-08:00Lynette
No, that is not the document I was referr...Lynette<br /><br />No, that is not the document I was referring to.<br /><br />The CDM document is dated April 25, Project Understanding and Approach - Section 5a - Approach to Technical Redesign Issues.<br /><br />Please don't bury Gram-pa in an expensive rented suit.FOGSWAMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14094960232554363985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-5581496974709141402012-02-06T00:37:14.264-08:002012-02-06T00:37:14.264-08:00Hi FOG, thank you for the very detailed answer. No...Hi FOG, thank you for the very detailed answer. Now I am trying to find the correct document. What I found was "Basis of Design Report - Los Osos Wastewater Collection System Project October 24, 2011 CDM"<br />at this link:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/Assets/PW/LOWWP/document+library/20111024+Final+BODR.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/Assets/PW/LOWWP/document+library/20111024+Final+BODR.pdf</a><br /><br />Is this the document that you mean?<br /><br />I can't find the reference to "5a" in this, or the reference that you make (here in italics), <i><br />"CDM has recognized this fact and now offer us an 'experimental collection system' which will result from their lab experiment, not yet tried in the real world that I can find."</i><br /><br />Where can I find that information on the experimental collection system?<br /><br />I found and read both articles, the one dissing plastic pipe far more readable than the Dr. Hansen one, that was pretty heavy-duty. Yes, they were interesting, thank you.<br /><br />But the question remains, this is what we are getting and will have - plastic pipe, with lower flows. Guess the slime crews will be busier and they will be happy for job security. Just as the septic pumping companies will be less busy and bummed due to the decommissioning of tanks.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-24542868173300635172012-02-05T12:49:00.472-08:002012-02-05T12:49:00.472-08:00Toons ....... In reply to your request, please rea...Toons ....... In reply to your request, please read 'Section 5a - Approach to technical Redesign Issues in said CDM Report'. I believe you may find it interesting.<br /><br />With respect the "Slimy Issue". I found that much detailed and supportive information has been written about the accumulation of that pesky bacterial slime in collection pipes and their significant effect on flow resistance should the flow velocity be lowered.<br /><br />Contrary to the "Hogwash" persons remark, the vast amount of studies are easily comprehended by non-technical personnel, providing of course, that one takes the time to research & read.<br /><br />It seems that there is much ado written by both manufacturers of Reinforced Concrete Pipe (RCP) and Plastic Pipe, touting theirs and condemning the other.<br /><br />The wording I presented was from 'Buried Facts Plastic Pipe Claims', presented by the American Concrete Pipe Association. Interesting & informative read.<br /><br />I found that there are many studies to support the fact that the accumulation of slime has a negative effect on flow resistance.<br /><br />Check out the "Discussion: Flow resistance of wastewater pumping mains" by Dr D. Hansen from Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. I particularly like the way he starts out;<br /><br />"If at all possible. Civil engineers will avoid the use of sewage lift-stations in the first place. As a design option they have been likened to "Burying your father in a rented suit" because at no future point in time does the obligation of the municipality to operate such stations cease. The electricity bill must be paid and the stations must be maintained, in perpetuity".<br /><br />"Part of the annual energy cost is caused by the necessary to overcome the hydraulic resistance.........<br />because of build-up of organic slime on the inside of the pipe, a buiid-up that changes both the apparent absolute roughness (e) of the inner wall and the inside diameter (D) of the main".<br /><br />Other studies on plastic pipe state that the manning's n varies with depth and weight due to pressure flattening out of round and sagging. Things that may not be taken in account in the lab.FOGSWAMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14094960232554363985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-75556850587097858542012-02-04T15:17:25.790-08:002012-02-04T15:17:25.790-08:00Graphically incompetent to comment on anyone's...Graphically incompetent to comment on anyone's competency... That's Lynette Berti Tornatsky.<br /><br />Anon 2:12: You've only scratched the surface here. Scratch some more and underneath you'll find even more surface...<br /><br />You have NO IDEA who this woman really is... Dig, dig, dig... deeper...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-29725494303005989922012-02-04T14:12:42.348-08:002012-02-04T14:12:42.348-08:00Found on SLO County LOWWP Home Page: http://www.sl...Found on SLO County LOWWP Home Page: http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/PW/LOWWP.htm<br /><br /><b>November 15, 2011:</b> Basis of Design Report for the collection system final design completed by CDM and accepted by County. Read the report.<br /><br />Link doesn't work. Maybe that's why FOGSWAMP is not able to provide it to you. But your persistence to demand something that is clearly visible on the LOWWP frontpage is, well, a little odd -- and then have your friend Judith berate him for not having "credentials."<br /><br />I found your credentials: <a href="http://www.losososcsd.org/Library/2011%20Agenda%20Packets/110707/AgendaItem6E_AdvisoryCommitteeAppointment.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.losososcsd.org/Library/2011%20Agenda%20Packets/110707/AgendaItem6E_AdvisoryCommitteeAppointment.pdf</a><br /><br />Doesn't look like much. Graphic designer. I'm sure a graphic designer has enough credibility to mock reputable scientists, engineers, and Cal Poly professors who spent more time researching issues surrounding the LOWWP than you did crafting amateurish brochures for your employers. <br /><br />You're not relevant here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-32583907302298532112012-02-04T12:08:26.638-08:002012-02-04T12:08:26.638-08:00No problem FOG, I hope that you had a nice trip. W...No problem FOG, I hope that you had a nice trip. When you have time, I'm sure that source info would be interesting.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-40639759758674047492012-02-04T10:15:38.265-08:002012-02-04T10:15:38.265-08:00On November 2, 2011, the State unveiled their new ...On November 2, 2011, the State unveiled their new version of how to handle crap without sewers in Sonoma County, sorta revising the one-size-fits-all former version of AB885, which created much angst among the locals in small towns and along the river.<br /><br />Now they must determine where pollution actually comes from and gather 'total daily maximum loads' (TMDLs) information., Then the septic tank owners are identified in a new 4-Tier system.<br /><br />"Tier 0" is interesting. If the system is not polluting, the owner only need to get on board with the maintenance program, something we could have done here 30 years ago, and even today for very little, and keep millions of dollars in the community with local purveyors.<br /><br />The Sonoma County Gazette (January 8, 2011) explains it well.<br /><br />Toons ....... Sorry for not answering your questions, 'I've been out of town'.FOGSWAMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14094960232554363985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-56345744310860540702012-02-03T14:16:42.584-08:002012-02-03T14:16:42.584-08:00Uh, oh, I think I see Mikeee's nose twitching....Uh, oh, I think I see Mikeee's nose twitching. Smells blood. Eeek. Run away! Run away!Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701649330085709021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-81152461316726187812012-02-03T12:02:58.219-08:002012-02-03T12:02:58.219-08:00It's just that when I see so much neighbor-on-...It's just that when I see so much neighbor-on-neighbor abuse I can't help but think of Judith's brother, Mikeee! Oh Mikeee, community blood is on the floor, where art thou?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-68770061810415885602012-02-03T06:36:21.152-08:002012-02-03T06:36:21.152-08:00Somebody misses Mikeee? Oy!Somebody misses Mikeee? Oy!Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701649330085709021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-25764036663069363342012-02-02T14:13:02.667-08:002012-02-02T14:13:02.667-08:00Whatever happened to George Berrier Jr., the origi...Whatever happened to George Berrier Jr., the original hideous hateful "Mike" from Rockland on Ann's blog? I miss him. But Judith does a pretty good imitation, don't you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com