tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post117033973919706325..comments2023-10-28T03:14:44.519-07:00Comments on Calhouns Can(n)ons: NewsstandGreghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170653111164000502007-02-04T21:25:00.000-08:002007-02-04T21:25:00.000-08:00Anon 7:42- obviously you didn't understand the tec...Anon 7:42- obviously you didn't understand the technology being used at Tri-W... 10:53 AM, February 04, 2007 To get the Coastal Commission permit, #34, for TriW -- <I>who are one in the same.</I><BR/><BR/>Edmonds, Washington's ferry shuttle station is NOT Los Osos, and not in the middle of town (the 'middle' part you'd dispute).<BR/><BR/>You contend, all in a row:<BR/><BR/>1. "[A Tri-W] facility can be creative, useful and not stinky."<BR/> Any facility can be "creative and useful" anywhere -- but it's only your OPINION that he won't be stinky. That isn't good enough. Sorry.<BR/><BR/>2. "Mixed use land use it the way to go."<BR/><BR/>Sure. Anywhere else except a sewer plus something else on Tri-W, where a sewer doesn't fit the area. Unless you don't use the library, don't go to church, don't go to CSD meetings, go have children and don't live in the Prohibition Zone...like you. Otherwise it's fine.<BR/><BR/>3. "Tri-W will never be the middle of town because of the buffers of the bay..."<BR/><BR/>Ridiculous!<BR/><BR/>4. "Los Osos will only really grow the other direction - out the LOVR."<BR/><BR/>So, everything west of Tri-W is the just the bottom of the growth fishbowl to you -- perfect for a sewer relative to the REST of Los Osos. A NIMBY fantasy by the Prince of Dreamers!<BR/><BR/>5. "Get a grip and do a little reading beyond all things Los Osos and keep up with the progressing times."<BR/><BR/>What you call "progressive" I call EXPENSIVE -- not to mention selfish, anti-social and unnessary -- based on nothing more than one spolied rich boy's nocturnal whimsy... perfectly logical if all you desire is ONR THING at the expense of everything else. Pathetic reasoning.<BR/><BR/>Do you, sir or madam, ever stop to realize just how much time you spend wasting your time and our time SELLING TRI-W to literally save your own life? Sickening.<BR/><BR/>You say you've moved on, but you obviously haven't. This is most glaring. You speak about looking at things unemotionally when you are a basketcase of emotions about to snap at any give moment an anyone who respectfully declines to agree with your heavily personalized version of history.<BR/><BR/>Looking at the fact that your reasoning is fatally flawed, and your justifications for Tri-W weak and weary, you simply cannot be trusted when you still have NOT been honest with yourself or the community.<BR/><BR/>Mr. MartiniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170615270128765522007-02-04T10:54:00.000-08:002007-02-04T10:54:00.000-08:00Clarification - the current board last fall presen...Clarification - the current board last fall presented Task #3 but appeared to be totally unfamiliar with this report.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170615208035792542007-02-04T10:53:00.000-08:002007-02-04T10:53:00.000-08:00To get the Coastal Commission permit, #34, for Tri...To get the Coastal Commission permit, #34, for TriW, they had to present a comprehensive water management plan for the ground water basin. This report was presented in July 2005- by then, the recall efforts were in place and it appears no one noticed. The board listened to and commented on task #3 of the Phase I plan implementation. Phase I would have taken 5 years to implement, Phase 2, 15 years and Phase 3 would involve permanant planning. <BR/>In phase 1, one of the items addressed was allocation of water for ag exchange. This Cleath report was far more meaningful than anything the Ripley report provided because it speculated on scenarios in the long term water management of our basin and how treatment would be a part of the plan. In fact, it even addressed purple pipe that Al Barrows continues to speak of and if anybody is paying attention, the South Bay Community Center already has purple pipe.<BR/><BR/>To sum up, the water reuse issue was addressed through the TriW permitting process but now has to start at the beginning again. For those of us who are not on the emotional end of the debate, some of the inconsistencies in the arguements of the group that stopped the project are glaring. <BR/><BR/>Sit back, enjoy another cup of coffee while the debate rages but many of the questions have already been answered. The obstructionists were pitching such a fit and creating an illusion of understanding what was required to move the project in 2006, they drowned out the water management plan and anything that brought a positive light to TriW. These are true and the lie of 40 feet tall and every other nuance is a joke and I am embarrased for even having maybe believed all that for a second. Silly me, I've changed my mind and know the recall should have never happened and am willing to move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170601355129153652007-02-04T07:02:00.000-08:002007-02-04T07:02:00.000-08:00Anonymous sez:"Also, our poor neighbors that get f...Anonymous sez:"Also, our poor neighbors that get flooded again and again and again and have pumped up to 2 million gallons out to keep their homes dry would appreciate the issue of drainage being addressed as we discussed water management. What is this boards plan in how to address these neighbors? "<BR/><BR/>If I understand correctly, the TriW project was separate from any drainage plans, and that drainage was something that would/will require millions more to do (desperately needed and part of any overall water management plan IMHO) Right now, I don't think the county has responsibility for drainage, unless they exapnd the water reuse component of whatever sewering plans they're working up?Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362538114791652208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170563226501002972007-02-03T20:27:00.000-08:002007-02-03T20:27:00.000-08:00Anon 7:42- obviously you didn't understand the tec...Anon 7:42- obviously you didn't understand the technology being used at Tri-W. Many treatment facilites are being upgraded and or developed in urban areas for efficient land use. On the water front of Edmonds, Washington, it's retro fit with a park and is the entry way from the ferries that shuttle from the Kitsap and Olympic Peninsulas to the mainland side-tourism is the industry and hasn't hurt them in the least bit. It was converted to either adjust outfall or I believe get rid of all outfall. Creative, useful and not stinky. Mixed use land use it the way to go. Tri-W will never be the middle of town because of the buffers of the bay - Los Osos will only really grow the other direction - out the LOVR. Get a grip and do a little reading beyond all things Los Osos and keep up with the progressing times. Do you realize that Tri-W and the following water management plans were going to bring us within 200 acre feet a year of being a self-contained water system? With the discharge plans-around town, with the blending and infrastructure development it would have been an assest. Also, our poor neighbors that get flooded again and again and again and have pumped up to 2 million gallons out to keep their homes dry would appreciate the issue of drainage being addressed as we discussed water management. What is this boards plan in how to address these neighbors? Or, are the NEEDS of the community being usurped by the WANTS of SOME of the members of our community?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170560568776280032007-02-03T19:42:00.000-08:002007-02-03T19:42:00.000-08:00To anon @ 6:22:I guess that sink of pumping a home...To anon @ 6:22:<BR/><BR/>I guess that sink of pumping a home bothered you. You better not take your children to the park at Tri-W then!<BR/><BR/>Sewers stink! Your sewer will stink! Talk to the kids at Morro Bay High to see how they like it.<BR/><BR/>And you want a sewer next to the library and community center?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170560260224390222007-02-03T19:37:00.000-08:002007-02-03T19:37:00.000-08:00to 12:44 on 2/2,The county put liens on PZ propert...to 12:44 on 2/2,<BR/><BR/>The county put liens on PZ properties without legal notice! Can we count how many laws have been broken by the county, State Water Board and RWQCB? But, of course, they rely on the people not having the money for attorneys for legal justice, so they'll continue to break laws!<BR/><BR/>So, you want us to trust the county for a legal 218 vote?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170559104462099132007-02-03T19:18:00.000-08:002007-02-03T19:18:00.000-08:00to 12:12Pm on 2/2:I asked you where the state had ...to 12:12Pm on 2/2:<BR/><BR/>I asked you where the state had ever come in and taken over a project and made the residents pay. YOU couldn't answer. You only asked when had they ever resinded a loan. That's not an answer.<BR/><BR/>Do you want to try again. I'm waiting!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170555773999573922007-02-03T18:22:00.000-08:002007-02-03T18:22:00.000-08:00Anonymous said...Too bad your tank stinks. Perhaps...Anonymous said...<BR/>Too bad your tank stinks. Perhaps you should take care of it. Consider your neighbors!<BR/><BR/>2:40 PM, February 02, 2007<BR/><BR/>anon, that was just a figure of speech. My tank doesn't stink. <BR/><BR/>However, I was driving down my street past a neighbor's whose tank was being pumped. Thought I'd never get that stink out of my car, I had to roll down the windows for a long time. I wonder how pleasant that was for the people in the houses on that block?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170463021656359152007-02-02T16:37:00.000-08:002007-02-02T16:37:00.000-08:00Cheap Bastard, Thanks for the shout out! Heck, let...Cheap Bastard, Thanks for the shout out!<BR/> Heck, lets put in a brothel too, at this rate we will get paid to poop!<BR/> <BR/> I wonder what became of Spectator?Mike Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883036796650379771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170456057314317362007-02-02T14:40:00.000-08:002007-02-02T14:40:00.000-08:00Too bad your tank stinks. Perhaps you should take...Too bad your tank stinks. Perhaps you should take care of it. Consider your neighbors!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170453543518581332007-02-02T13:59:00.000-08:002007-02-02T13:59:00.000-08:00"We've got an affordable sustainable step project ..."We've got an affordable sustainable step project -- that's what Los Osos needs and wants. It's the right answer for Los Osos."<BR/><BR/>Then if it is available on the advisory vote, YOU can vote for it. Not me. Don't want no stinkin' tank in my yard ever again!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170449092964115772007-02-02T12:44:00.000-08:002007-02-02T12:44:00.000-08:00To 12:09,The "County" was never going to pay for a...To 12:09,<BR/><BR/>The "County" was never going to pay for a sewer system in Los Osos, or anywhere else. In 1997 they had an assessment district formed, and had the ability to sell bonds and repay them from assessments on the property tax bills. This was done under the old "majority protest" assessment <BR/>district process prior to Prop 218 being passed in 1998.<BR/><BR/>This is how sewer projects were built by the County for unincorporate areas in Cambria and Atascadero, before it became a City.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170447136658473992007-02-02T12:12:00.000-08:002007-02-02T12:12:00.000-08:00Anon 11:30 shouts: "AND WHERE HAS THE STATE EVER D...Anon 11:30 shouts: "AND WHERE HAS THE STATE EVER DONE THIS BEFORE?"<BR/><BR/>I say ask yourelf this: Where has the state EVER rescinded an SRF loan before? Ever. You want to answer, or shall I?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170446953115782062007-02-02T12:09:00.000-08:002007-02-02T12:09:00.000-08:00to 11:38You said, "it's wonderful for the county t...to 11:38<BR/><BR/>You said, "it's wonderful for the county to take back their project" <BR/><BR/>That's something! Before the county had to pay. Now only some do, and because of mobile homes and areas already on community systems will pay much less, the price goes even higher for most in the PZ, what in the hell are you so happy about?<BR/><BR/>Is this why the CSD was formed in the first place -- to have us pay instead of the county? Is this why Pandora did what she did?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170444623360070962007-02-02T11:30:00.000-08:002007-02-02T11:30:00.000-08:00anon @ 9:01AMTHE STATE CAN NOT COME IN AND DO IT -...anon @ 9:01AM<BR/><BR/>THE STATE CAN NOT COME IN AND DO IT - THAT'S JUST ANOTHER LIE FROM THE TRI-W PEOPLE AND YET ANOTHER SCARE TACTIC. WE'RE GETTING USED TO THIS NOW.<BR/><BR/>TELL US HOW THE STATE CAN COME IN AND DO THIS -- PLEASE! THEY CAN'T AND YOU KNOW IT. AND WHERE HAS THE STATE EVER DONE THIS BEFORE? I'LL BE WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170444070861358412007-02-02T11:21:00.000-08:002007-02-02T11:21:00.000-08:00Mike Green is brilliant! Let the Chumash build a c...Mike Green is brilliant! Let the Chumash build a casino and pay for the sewer!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170436229139424542007-02-02T09:10:00.000-08:002007-02-02T09:10:00.000-08:00Maggot hasn't the backbone for disobedience, much ...Maggot hasn't the backbone for disobedience, much less civil disobedience. He only wants to exploit the elderly into selling out cheaply so he can build is own bank account. I'm glad he doesn't live here and won't be able to vote one way or the other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170435683128941892007-02-02T09:01:00.000-08:002007-02-02T09:01:00.000-08:00"and if the people vote yes they'll have to leave ..."and if the people vote yes they'll have to leave town."<BR/><BR/>Who will these people be that will have to leave town? I doubt it will be me. But I'm pretty sure if the vote doesn't pass, the county bails, and the state comes in, they will definitely push a project down our throats. No doubt about that. So just what are you recoomending? A no vote and have the state come in? Or how 'bout some good 'ol civil disobedience like Richard Maggotson from Cayucos suggested. <BR/><BR/>You people make no sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170433939814070642007-02-02T08:32:00.000-08:002007-02-02T08:32:00.000-08:00Anon @ 7:41,The 218 vote needs to come AFTER the a...Anon @ 7:41,<BR/><BR/>The 218 vote needs to come AFTER the advisory vote. Paavo said himself that the 218 is on a specific project. So why is the county doing the vote backwards?? It's not a good thing. They want to push the expensive project down our throats, but want just some of us to pay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170433686792177792007-02-02T08:28:00.000-08:002007-02-02T08:28:00.000-08:00Your comments are interesting again, Ann.Talk abou...Your comments are interesting again, Ann.<BR/><BR/>Talk about staff reporting to the board, that's what happened with the legislation. The Senators didn't have time to read and the consultant who writes the summary said that 5,000 septics were polluting. So, that's where it all started. Funny that the very consultant has the same last name as someone who works with Paavo and the county...hummm...<BR/><BR/>About the 218, the county will not include any of the major costs and if the people vote yes they'll have to leave town.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170424705248711682007-02-02T05:58:00.000-08:002007-02-02T05:58:00.000-08:00Anon sez:"Hi Ann LOVE today's nugget! Good for you...Anon sez:"Hi Ann <BR/><BR/>LOVE today's nugget! Good for you! What is your take on Sorrel Marks' comment that Los Osos voted to put the sewer project downtown? I mean in one way I know what she meant. The formation of the CSD only happened because of the Ponds of Avalon promotion. But don't you think (I do) that Hyaschi and crew think that that "vote" for the downtown sewer was for the sewer project that got stopped by the new board? I would love to hear your opinion on this."<BR/><BR/>As I pointed out in the 1.28 Posting: "Short Cuts - Short Circuits." the RWQCB has been given misinformation by their staff. They have not taken the time to actually verify that misinformation, therefore they make decisions based on that misinformation. That's always a bad situation for a regulatory agency. Matt Thompson misled the Board at the Jan 22 meeting by "forgetting" to point out clarifying quotes from the Peer Review report he was quoting from, qualifying remarks that would put his remarks in context. The Board probably didn't read the original document so they don't know. Sorrel Mark's gave Hayashi a "shorthand" version that again was misleading. Hayashi swallowed that misleading "shorthand" and you can bet his vote will be based on that misleading information and perception. <BR/><BR/>I have followled closely and written extensively about the Hideous San Luis Coastal School Board under the direction of Superintendent Denton. The same dynamic at work there is at work here: The Board, instead of being the watchdog, simply becomes the lapdog of the administration. Their rationale is simple: Our Superintendent (staff) are the experts and we rely on them, otherwise why would we hire them. Since the fox is not in charge of feeding the "watchdogs," naturally the watchdogs don't see the wolves who arrive to eat the chickens. Nor do they care to see the wolves since seeing the wolves would involve doing more work and/or having to question their entire paradignms, which is hard to do, so why bother. You're seeing the same process here in the RWQCB. In the case of School Boad, that board pounded millions of Measure A money into the ground, wasting it all horribly. RWQCB is likewise pounding god knows how much tax money into the ground, but in this case they're BUYING something: An illeglally electioneered 218 vote. <BR/><BR/>Mike Green sez:"Its useless to rail against them anymore, the whole farce will fall apart if it sees the light of any real courtroom. Perhaps what Sato was trying to convey is that they should be ignored."<BR/><BR/>The State water board can sit on the appeals for 270 days or 330 days, etc. Check when the 218 vote is due. The CDO's are NOT about clean water (Irony: The RWQCB relies on and uses Cleath & Assoc water reports. Tim Cleath testified that their pump, inspect, repair requirement wouldn't do diddly to the groundwater. So, this isn't about water) It IS about "changing the political will" of the community and using the CDOs to do it. The Tribune will join hand in glove, as they always have, with making sure that big CDO headlines will arrive at the perfect time, it will all be orchestrated to reach its crescendo about the time of the 218 vote. THAT's what this is about. Unless a real judge understands the illegality of what this Board is doing and issues a stay (do you know any local judge brave enough to do that? I don't) the whole issue will be moot by the time it gets to a "real court." Let me repeat, this is NOT about water or law or anything except electioneering a 218 vote that the RWQCB & Staff want. (And, shall we take bets that the project they'll be pushing for will involve one that REQUIRES a SRF loan, thereby ensuring that the $6 mil oustanding will get folded into the project and hence repaid -- with no further legal inquires into how that loan originally came to be written.)Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362538114791652208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170399352582072612007-02-01T22:55:00.000-08:002007-02-01T22:55:00.000-08:00anon @6:24PMYOU ARE THE ONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT ...anon @6:24PM<BR/><BR/>YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. EXPERTS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT ARE LOOKING AT THIS AGREE THAT THIS TYPE OF PROJECT -- TRI-W -- IS NOT NEEDED FOR A COMMUNITY OF OUR SIZE. GET OVER IT! YOU ARE ALL WRONG! <BR/><BR/>I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PONDS. I AM TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT THAT ISN'T SUSTAINABLE AND ISN'T NECESSARY. THE EXPERTS HAVE SPOKEN, AND YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE NO EXPERT! IF YOU THINK YOU ARE, TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND ALL ABOUT YOUR CREDENTIALS!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170398217347912052007-02-01T22:36:00.000-08:002007-02-01T22:36:00.000-08:00What the county is not addressing is that the stat...What the county is not addressing is that the state and federal should pay too, not just the PZ, for cleaning the bay. The state and federal government BENEFIT too! And the "District" pays as a whole if you read Prop 218.<BR/><BR/>The county is spinning about grants when as Mr. Golden said, as long as all the money is going to Iraq, grant money isn't going to happen. But, the PR move is on, making people think they'll get some financial relief to pay, so they vote yes on a 218. What a joke. <BR/><BR/>The county has done nothing so far to show they're on the up and up. Quite the opposite!!! Paavo speaks out of both sides of his mouth regarding the 218 procedure.<BR/><BR/>NO BLANK CHECK FOR THE COUNTY! NO BLANK CHECK FOR SAM BLAKESLEE! NO BLANK CHECK FOR THE DEVELOPERS AND REALTORS! NO BLANK CHECK FOR THEM TO TAKE OUR HOMES!<BR/><BR/>We've got an affordable sustainable step project -- that's what Los Osos needs and wants. It's the right answer for Los Osos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1170387662818054552007-02-01T19:41:00.000-08:002007-02-01T19:41:00.000-08:00Anon 6:48 says"Each option will have projected cos...Anon 6:48 says<BR/>"Each option will have projected costs, and we will tell them in the advisory vote which one we want. Isn't that how it really should be, letting those who will pay the bill choose the option?" <BR/><BR/>Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that homeowners in the PZ vote to pay the 218, then the whole community decides how much we in the PZ will pay. I will not vote for a 218 without a set upper limit for total assesssment and projected monthly payments. I am not voting for a blank check when someone outside the PZ helps decide the amount.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com