tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post117172668717651456..comments2023-10-28T03:14:44.519-07:00Comments on Calhouns Can(n)ons: NewsstandGreghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comBlogger146125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-56442487989275198842007-03-02T07:55:00.000-08:002007-03-02T07:55:00.000-08:00Anonymous sez:"Anonymous said... Wow. Ann's blog i...Anonymous sez:"Anonymous said... <BR/>Wow. Ann's blog is happening. "<BR/><BR/>Actually, this blog has turned into All Sewer All The Time. It's interesting that the folks who log on apparently have no interest in anything EXCEPT the sewer and/or calling each other names and ranting and venting or making stuff up and floating rumors. Makes you wonder what will happen to them when this project finally gets done and they'll have to actually get a life? Or go into sewer rehab? <BR/><BR/>Honest, there are other things going on worth commenting on and discussing besides the sewer. <BR/><BR/>amazing.Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362538114791652208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-55495893333524657722007-03-01T18:57:00.000-08:002007-03-01T18:57:00.000-08:00Wow. Ann's blog is happening. One comment, the hig...Wow. Ann's blog is happening. <BR/><BR/>One comment, the higher the price tag on the sewer, the more people that have to go. Get it? All seniors and working families, are outta here. That's the plan.<BR/><BR/>Talking about grant money - isn't going to happen, it's only a PR move to make people think they'll get some help. All we will get is $1 in grant money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-25860726765266788232007-02-28T07:24:00.000-08:002007-02-28T07:24:00.000-08:00Ron sez:"Whadaya say, Ann? Let's see if we can cra...Ron sez:"Whadaya say, Ann? Let's see if we can crack the "200 comments" barrier, huh?"<BR/><BR/>Is 200 now the target? Was that set by some other blog? It amazes me that we not nearly 143 on this posting alone. Wow.Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362538114791652208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-53126311023933455882007-02-26T17:51:00.000-08:002007-02-26T17:51:00.000-08:00Hell, we might even move the middle of town around...Hell, we might even move the middle of town around our sure to become tourist attraction. Lisa can sell baked goods in the shop next to Julie's Phychic and Tarot Room. Al of course would be the docent.<BR/><BR/>Send your tax deductible contributions to Chucky!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-86478610140126773442007-02-26T16:48:00.000-08:002007-02-26T16:48:00.000-08:00I would think that megasewer would refer to Paavo'...I would think that megasewer would refer to Paavo's idea to build a giant plant and import all the county's waste to Los Osos. By importing shit, we could reduce individuals costs making the sewer more affordable. <BR/><BR/>Let's do it. We could build it at Tri W. Pumper trucks, all day long, delivering the county's shit to our beautiful downtown sewer park. We could pump it into a big holding pond (called Pandora's Pond), and build a new rec center with paddle boat rentals and a pier for fishing for floaters. We could hold swimming competitions for those who prefer extreme sports. Jeff Edwards could build a hotel next to it, Make it a fine tourist attraction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-80584923683056422362007-02-26T11:50:00.000-08:002007-02-26T11:50:00.000-08:00"Megasewer" is an undefined term that has been coi..."Megasewer" is an undefined term that has been coined by Tri-W and sewer opponents ... it sounds bad and conveys that message well. However, without substance it is a term which serves little purpose other than to identify those who can't think clearly about the issues (or worse yet, choose not to think clearly).<BR/><BR/>Simply put ... anyone using the phrase is immediately to be doubted and unless they can immediately provide a sound definition when asked, they will have proven themselves part of the problem rather than part of the solution.<BR/><BR/>[Note: the same could be said about a guy named Drake (is that it?) who was promoting Tri-W but didn't seem to have a handle on the basics of Los Osos history and politics let alone the science of the problem.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-64862697179426780162007-02-26T11:34:00.000-08:002007-02-26T11:34:00.000-08:00What's the definition of a "megasewer" as it appli...What's the definition of a "megasewer" as it applies to Los Osos on any site?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-41158386617975974382007-02-25T17:40:00.000-08:002007-02-25T17:40:00.000-08:00anon of 8:54 PM, February 24, 2007By "megasewer" a...anon of 8:54 PM, February 24, 2007<BR/><BR/>By "megasewer" are you refering to Tri-W?<BR/><BR/>The County is putting together 4 proposals for WWTF - Tri-W is one of the four. How does this insure that Tri-W is going in? What if Tri-W turns out to be cheaper?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-19582592390209735602007-02-24T20:54:00.000-08:002007-02-24T20:54:00.000-08:00From what I've observed the county plotted and pla...From what I've observed the county plotted and planned with Blakeslee to take over the project (LAFCO helped) shorty after the recall to insure the Tri-W project was going in. The current board couldn't do it, are weak. Maybe the county is the only one who can do it, but the "back room deals" make them look bad<BR/><BR/>The RWQCB over stated the pollution problem, and the county knows a mega-sewer won't correct it. Why does everyone want the megasewer then?<BR/><BR/>Just asking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-50541086914309324802007-02-24T12:00:00.000-08:002007-02-24T12:00:00.000-08:00anon 5:15, you said:"…the county plotted and plann...anon 5:15, you said:<BR/>"…the county plotted and planned with Blakeslee to screw us all."<BR/><BR/>Getting a sewer built is screwing us? How do you think one WOULD get built in Los Osos? Or are you a believer in "magic sand?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-5011263499765887492007-02-23T20:37:00.000-08:002007-02-23T20:37:00.000-08:00To above:We'll see about that in the near future!To above:<BR/><BR/>We'll see about that in the near future!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-14994390517754467702007-02-23T17:51:00.000-08:002007-02-23T17:51:00.000-08:00The Gran Conspiracy against the Monarchy of Los Os...The Gran Conspiracy against the Monarchy of Los Osos!<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, it appears our own corruption will rise above those of the County or even the State.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-39730702359940579452007-02-23T17:15:00.000-08:002007-02-23T17:15:00.000-08:00To above:I guess you want to trust the county (to ...To above:<BR/><BR/>I guess you want to trust the county (to work through the process)....<BR/><BR/>Do you really believe that the RWQCB, Blakeslee and the county aren't all working together (for the same project) -- I guess you haven't gone into public records request to look at how the county plotted and planned with Blakeslee to screw us all.<BR/><BR/>The CDO's are nothing more than a tool to scare everyone to vote yes on the 218.<BR/><BR/>The county is having a 218 before a project is picked.<BR/><BR/>You think that they county wants step! Don't be stupid. The county loves Pandora and will work with her to rid the town of all but the wealthy!<BR/><BR/>P.S.<BR/>the corrupt agency is the county -- get real!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-81658190138542677272007-02-23T17:06:00.000-08:002007-02-23T17:06:00.000-08:00The problem with our community is the continued in...The problem with our community is the continued infighting rather than focusing on the past. If we ignore the past, we will only keep repeating our mistakes.<BR/><BR/>A lesson that we need to internalize is that the RWQCB is never going work with us. They are going to continue to obstruct the process, now using CDOs as their tool. As we try to move forward on the project, we must protect our citizen’s right to make decisions without their fear tactics. <BR/><BR/>The appeal of CDOs is providing this defense, protecting our citizens as we move forward. If the waterboard knows that their actions will be scrutinized in a real courtroom, they are forced to play a bit closer to the rules. This defense requires that some people keep focused on transgressions of the past and present.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully this defensive effort will allow Los Osos and the county to work through the process of planning designing, and implementing a waste water system without undue influence from this incompetent and corrupt government agency.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-47977436990099821232007-02-22T16:45:00.000-08:002007-02-22T16:45:00.000-08:00Ron,You are right with your Ken Lay comment.I shou...Ron,<BR/><BR/>You are right with your Ken Lay comment.<BR/><BR/>I should have been more clear ... aside from those who really care about whether criminal wrongdoing has transpired ... it doesn't matter whether Julie or Pandora is to blame because our real issue is what to do next.<BR/><BR/>Those like you who get off on attributing blame can go and knock yourselves out ... just remember that your discussions really should have little bearing on what Los Osos ought to do next. We can't turn back the clocks to 1998 and vote against the CSD or turn back the clocks to 2005 and vote against a recall. We've made our horribly rumpled bed ... <BR/><BR/>Even so, the real questions we do have before us are how we're going to interact with the County now that they're in charge and whether we want the LOCSD to continue to exist and how we deal with the RWQCB about CDOs.<BR/><BR/>So, go ahead and blame Pandora or Julie or whomever you want to ... please remember that your questions are about as relevant to our day-to-day lives as blaming Bush II for getting us into the Iraq war ... the real problem is figuring out the best way to get out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-59600001958200481202007-02-22T12:59:00.000-08:002007-02-22T12:59:00.000-08:00If Ron lived in Los Osos more weight could be assi...If Ron lived in Los Osos more weight could be assigned to his viewpoints, but he doesn't live here!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-77989255241947321202007-02-22T12:56:00.000-08:002007-02-22T12:56:00.000-08:00Anon said:".. only to have the extreme element wag...Anon said:<BR/>".. only to have the extreme element wage a continueing battle over their personal agenda to move the sewer at all cost..."<BR/><BR/>Ron replied:<BR/>"Extreme element: AKA -- The majority of Los Osos voters over the last three elections."<BR/><BR/>If you mean the LAST election as one of the three, please note these facts:<BR/><BR/>1. The person with the MOST votes was Joe Sparks. He is not tied to any sewer technology or location.<BR/><BR/>2. Incumbents rarely lose elections.<BR/><BR/>3. Incumbents illegally used Sam Blakeslee's photo on their mailer just prior to the election, implying his support (which they did not have).<BR/><BR/>4. Incumbents spent more money on their campaign than any of the other candidates, probably more than all 8 other candidates combined.<BR/><BR/>5. Other than Joe Sparks, the other candidates fell into the "unknown" category or the "kinda out there" category.<BR/><BR/>I would think to be fair, you might include the above information when assessing how people voted, Ron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-82913887979010661752007-02-22T10:18:00.000-08:002007-02-22T10:18:00.000-08:00Ann wrote in response to an Anon:"And instead of m...Ann wrote in response to an Anon:<BR/><BR/><I>"And instead of mocking Ron and his composting toilets comments..."</I><BR/><BR/>The comments I bring up about composting toilets are not mine, they are the comments of the staff of the RWQCB from a REAL government document, like I always cite.<BR/><BR/>An Anon:<BR/><BR/><I>"Who the hell cares whether Pandora or Julie caused the problem ... the question we need answered is what we ought to do next!"</I><BR/><BR/>Ken Lay would have loved that argument.<BR/><BR/>(Boy, I'll tell ya, that's actually kind of fun brain candy -- if that was the case in court: Who's most at fault? Julie or Pandora? And if all the evidence -- dating back to the Laurent/Coy supervisor race in 1992 (<I>1992!</I>), where Nash-Karner campaigned hard for Laurent -- was presented in a trial on who was most at fault for the problem, well, maybe it's just me, but I think it's pretty clear who would walk out of the courthouse after the verdict, and who wouldn't.)<BR/><BR/>Anon:<BR/><BR/><I>".. only to have the extreme element wage a continueing battle over their personal agenda to move the sewer at all cost..."</I><BR/><BR/>Extreme element: AKA -- The majority of Los Osos voters over the last three elections.<BR/><BR/>Anon:<BR/><BR/><I>"... you threw 8 years of dedicated work right down the drain."</I><BR/><BR/>Don't forget, the first two of those years were "dedicated" to the CSD's first failed plan -- the ponds. Then the other six were pretty much dedicated to covering up that failure, it sure would appear... and that group was very, very dedicated to that.<BR/><BR/>Anon:<BR/><BR/><I>"This community has NOT rejected the Tri-W site inspite of your nasty mouth!"</I><BR/><BR/>Tell that to the last three elections.<BR/><BR/>An Anon so succinctly wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"I've been reading blogs for hours tonight trying to catch up.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you on one thing, and one thing only. It was a mistake to form a CSD, and to be tricked and lied to by Pandora and bunch. We were tricked by her marketing. The county should have put in a sewer many years ago. I believe Pandora knew exactly what she was doing and helped the county all along and probably still is."</I><BR/><BR/>Sounds like one of those blogs you were reading was mine. Well done... you caught up fast. And, by the recent looks of things, it appears that the county, at least <I>county staff</I>, hasn't forgotten what she did to their project in 1998. County staff keeps bringing up that year, and what happened in 1998 is taboo in Solution Group/Initial CSDville. That tells me that county staff is not down with her act, nor should they be.<BR/><BR/>I'm noticing some tension between county staff and the supervisors on the Nash-Karner issue. Two supervisors went out of their way at a recent meeting to praise her work, and then unanimously re-appointed her to the county parks commission. Yet, county staff keeps bringing up 1998. That's excellent stuff, and something to keep an eye on. I smell tension.<BR/><BR/>Before I go, I think I speak on behalf of ALL county residents, Taxpayers Watch -- we want the $28,000 you owe us!<BR/><BR/>As J.T. would say, "Bring it on."<BR/><BR/>Whadaya say, Ann? Let's see if we can crack the "200 comments" barrier, huh?Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14156410299483542733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-72655153216777478732007-02-22T08:58:00.000-08:002007-02-22T08:58:00.000-08:00Ann,Perhaps you don't understand the conventions o...Ann,<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you don't understand the conventions of quotation marks.<BR/><BR/>The individual you criticized for misquoting you had indeed quoted your words exactly.<BR/><BR/>Whether he or she misrepresented your opinions about the county, I don't know what your opinions actually are, but based on what you wrote in earlier blog entries that are reasonable person would think that you are <I>railing against even (the county's) preliminary planning</I>.<BR/><BR/>While you claim that your comments are only versions of <I>watch out</I> or <I>process matters</I>, the context in which you set those warnings would make many think you have complaints about the way the county has handled things thus far.<BR/><BR/>The only way to avoid yet another misstep in this long and winding journey is to focus on the truly important issues ... costs and benefits instead of the small potatoes. Insisting on perfection at every step and forcing us to go back to square zero every time one doesn't like the outcome <B>is</B> the Los Osos problem. The Solutions Group and the Recall board have both done it and we've suffered because of the poor decisions of both sides.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-19071067119856895642007-02-22T07:36:00.000-08:002007-02-22T07:36:00.000-08:00Anonymous sez:" Now the sewer is in the hands of t...Anonymous sez:" Now the sewer is in the hands of the County, yet you continue to rail against even their preliminary planning"<BR/><BR/>You completely misquote and misrepresent what I've said about the county. Let me repeat, since you obviously missed it: Wake up Los Osos. PAY ATTENTION to make sure the county stays on target with the PROCESS, that it's is transparent, accurate, fair, can withstand a peer review scrutiny, and dots the I's and crosses the T's, otherwise we may well be set up for another train wreck. In no way is that "railing" against anything, merely asking citizens to stay awake this time to avoid another mess.Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362538114791652208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-70327796735298591072007-02-22T00:48:00.000-08:002007-02-22T00:48:00.000-08:00Good discussion on the costs: I say that Tri-W is ...Good discussion on the costs: <I>I say that Tri-W is more expensive and I know I am right so I don't even have to give you any evidence that will convince you</I>.<BR/><BR/>If the County knows the various costs but we've not been told those costs by the County ... how do you know them? What are the estimated costs? How did they arrive at those estimates? What assumptions did they make? Are those assumptions reasonable?<BR/><BR/>Curious minds want to know ... but people who have already made up their minds try to make all the evidence match their preconceived beliefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-17654433106504305572007-02-21T23:33:00.000-08:002007-02-21T23:33:00.000-08:00to the poster at 11:11 -- I've been reading blogs ...to the poster at 11:11 -- I've been reading blogs for hours tonight trying to catch up.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you on one thing, and one thing only. It was a mistake to form a CSD, and to be tricked and lied to by Pandora and bunch. We were tricked by her marketing. The county should have put in a sewer many years ago. I believe Pandora knew exactly what she was doing and helped the county all along and probably still is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-83412477183804576662007-02-21T23:27:00.000-08:002007-02-21T23:27:00.000-08:00TRI-W IS NOT CHEAPER. THE COUNTY HAS NEW FIGURES N...TRI-W IS NOT CHEAPER. THE COUNTY HAS NEW FIGURES NOW. TRY TO GET EDUCATED SO YOU CAN FINALLY SEE THAT THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL TRI-W WITH GRAVITY COLLECTION IS CHEAPER. GET REAL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-47487502590179336722007-02-21T23:22:00.000-08:002007-02-21T23:22:00.000-08:00To blogger at 10:35 above:See, you do want to kill...To blogger at 10:35 above:<BR/><BR/>See, you do want to kill people, riff-raff out, strokes, anything so you can build out to over 25,000 homes. You can get rich off of driving thousands out! Apparently killing people one way or another is easy for you.<BR/><BR/>All the while, only have 5,000 homes pay to clean the bay. While people in Cabrillo pay nothing! Nothing! Paavo originally said everyone would pay. Now he's changed his mind. The 218 law says everyone who benefits has to pay, but the county is letting some important people up in the hills (LeGros for one) off the hook completey.<BR/><BR/>I think most of us now have googled Prop 218 and know what a fast one the county is pulling!<BR/><BR/>For that matter, try googling "how to avoid Prop 218 in CA" to see what the recalled board studied and the county is reading.<BR/><BR/>Do you all remember when Paavo said they'd have to have a project selected before a 218? He's changed his mind on this too, the county is starting to act like the RWQCB when everything changes all the time to fit their agenda (for who Pandora? Roger Briggs? Jerry Gregory? )<BR/><BR/>Trust the county? I THINK NOT! <BR/><BR/>P.S.<BR/>I own a few rental properties and will not vote yes on a 218 until the county has a specific project and price (even though they've admitted they will add fees and charges later on top of the 218 assessment.) My VOTE IS NO UNTIL THEY PICK A PROJECT TO VOTE TO BE ASSESSED ON. I'm not stupid!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-50248387938995855772007-02-21T23:11:00.000-08:002007-02-21T23:11:00.000-08:00I would love to hear an answer to a question of mi...I would love to hear an answer to a question of mine from folks such as 8:44pm who write that Tri-W was horribly expensive.<BR/><BR/>What makes you think that the County plan will actually save us money? What makes you think that another location will make things cheaper?<BR/><BR/>Please note that I've already read Ron's stuff and the Ripley project report (and lots of other stuff as well) and to me it seems quite clear that the delay involved in other locations will more than swamp any lowering of the costs one might be able to claim from STEP or other treatment methods.<BR/><BR/>With that being said, could you please tell me why making one mistake (voting for a CSD to begin with) should be compounded by another mistake, insisting that the likely cheapest option be off the table?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com