tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post1253756521604533331..comments2023-10-28T03:14:44.519-07:00Comments on Calhouns Can(n)ons: NewsstandGreghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-28048231998714100242008-10-30T03:58:00.000-07:002008-10-30T03:58:00.000-07:00Ignoring your lallation above, I'll simply ASK YOU...Ignoring your lallation above, I'll simply ASK YOU what the report said about step and gravity.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-51135707536868853632008-10-30T00:12:00.000-07:002008-10-30T00:12:00.000-07:00Lynette, do you even know how to read?Lynette, do you even know <I>how</I> to read?Osos Changehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05316645018223542172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-43302748710157349652008-10-29T22:47:00.000-07:002008-10-29T22:47:00.000-07:00osos change, did you READ the NWRI report?osos change, did you READ the NWRI report?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-46314963655599174012008-10-29T22:42:00.000-07:002008-10-29T22:42:00.000-07:00Again, you're selling gravity. Your credibility ha...Again, you're selling gravity. Your credibility has been shot just like Steve Rein's.Osos Changehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05316645018223542172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-14971863607533657562008-10-29T22:28:00.000-07:002008-10-29T22:28:00.000-07:00getreal says:"…(and only a handful are actually po...getreal says:<BR/>"…(and only a handful are actually polluting)?<BR/><BR/>Good question! Tell me how you know this - what science backs up what you say, that only a handful pollute? Can you delineate the boundaries of this area? Or are they scattered here and there?<BR/><BR/>No, I think the Water Board can surmise that acres of LO, covered with 8-10 homes each, and the standard being that a leach field works with one home per acre is good enough, unless of course you believe in the tooth fairy and magic sand. Why spend tons of money on evaluating this no-brainer?<BR/><BR/>Golden State is running out of safe pumping area. They have to clean up the water that they have to sell, to pump less. This does not give their service area a free pass from the Water Board. The Water Board does not condone polluting your water so that you can use a fancy, expensive, clean-up to avoid not polluting it in the first place. Common logic makes that point anyway.<BR/><BR/>Thousands pollute, we need to be responsible for the mess that we make. If you are angry, get over it. We can't change history that contained opportunities to clean up the mess at a far lesser cost. We will have ways to afford this, there is a ton of help already on the County website.<BR/><BR/>osos change says:<BR/>"…terrible health issues with immune pathogens with your gravity plant"<BR/>Yup. Gravity plant operators are dropping like flies all across the United States! Nothing like that lives in a septic tank of course. (But I still can't figure out what that stench is when septic tanks are pumped…)Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-7830714045548599972008-10-29T21:36:00.000-07:002008-10-29T21:36:00.000-07:00Sewertoons:Even if gravity were to be selected (an...Sewertoons:<BR/><BR/>Even if gravity were to be selected (and it was in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 -- Step was just a "show" from the County) -- MY POINT STILL IS:<BR/><BR/>Why not abide by the law and have everyone who benefits pay. Why stick the whole bill on just 4,500 (and only a handful are actually polluting)?<BR/><BR/>I think the water board would have an affordable method to see who is polluting. It's their job after all. Why do they exist if they can't do that?<BR/><BR/>Why put in an over kill plant when it's not needed?<BR/><BR/>Why can't you answer? Why can't you answer the question if Golden State gets the nitrates out of the water, what do we need a system for that will force thousands to suffer? <BR/><BR/>How can the average family in these times be able to afford two or three EXTRA thousands of dollars on top of their regular property tax bill? And for nothing!!?? There is no guarantee this sewer will do anything better on the pollution issue than what we have now, except for terrible health issues with immune pathogens with your gravity plant. You don't seem to care about that either!<BR/><BR/>P.S. I'm moving this to the top thread.GetRealOsoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11936638912249439168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-65151385822081131662008-10-29T20:56:00.000-07:002008-10-29T20:56:00.000-07:00"PS, I have not see any gravity salesmen hanging o...<I>"PS, I have not see any gravity salesmen hanging out in Los Osos..."</I><BR/><BR/>... other than yourself.Osos Changehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05316645018223542172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-26793115183038705192008-10-29T19:52:00.000-07:002008-10-29T19:52:00.000-07:00GetReal,You keep asking how much Poly will benefit...GetReal,<BR/><BR/>You keep asking how much Poly will benefit from gravity over STEP. Presumably you think they will and the amount will be substantial.<BR/><BR/>What makes you think this? <BR/><BR/>What makes you think that Maria or Toons or I would individually benefit or care at all?<BR/><BR/>I think you presume waaaaaay to much as a way of trying to explain or discredit. I'll put it out there ... a homeowner in Los Osos who works for Poly will benefit financially far more from a sewer being online than he or she would benefit from any supposed Poly connection.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-91251822357586120892008-10-29T19:46:00.000-07:002008-10-29T19:46:00.000-07:00Do I want my entire front yard excavated, the tree...Do I want my entire front yard excavated, the trees removed and the fence torn down to bury a VW bus in it? Do I want to add an electrical panel? Do I want to pay to restore my landscaping? Or in my neighbor's case replace a driveway? Or in other cases remove and replace a wall? Do I EVER want to see a pumper truck again stinking up my neighborhood (sorry Al's Septic)?<BR/><BR/>Guess I am stumping for gravity. But that's just me. Others may wish to do this - particularly if those above mentioned items need replacing anyway.<BR/><BR/>Will I protest and scream and say UNFAIR - the process was all wrong - I got cheated if we get step. NO. I don't think that will be the reaction of the step side if we go gravity though.<BR/><BR/>What will you do osos change, if we go gravity?<BR/><BR/>PS, I have not see any gravity salesmen hanging out in Los Osos.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-12760560862797981482008-10-29T19:37:00.000-07:002008-10-29T19:37:00.000-07:00getreal says:"Where's the proof of pollution anywa...getreal says:<BR/>"Where's the proof of pollution anyway?" "Why not cluster areas and homes that ARE polluting?"<BR/><BR/>How would YOU determine who is polluting? What science would you employ? Go ahead, explain.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-62604109665732584422008-10-29T19:35:00.000-07:002008-10-29T19:35:00.000-07:00"I don't trust people pushing me so hard to sell m...<I>"I don't trust people pushing me so hard to sell me that they have the "one and only solution." I'm tired of Orenco and Ripley hanging around like vultures."</I><BR/><BR/>Dare I say that's quite hypocritical because this statement is, after all, coming from someone who has been stumping for gravity (MBR) since joining Taxpayers Watch, calling it the "one and only solution."Osos Changehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05316645018223542172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-51984603026204535492008-10-29T19:22:00.000-07:002008-10-29T19:22:00.000-07:00Sewertoons,You say, "Gee getreal, do you think whe...Sewertoons,<BR/><BR/>You say, "Gee getreal, do you think when the project was practically FREE it was rather short sighted of the community of Los Osos to "look the other way?"..."<BR/><BR/>Lynette, we're not talking about the 80's or 90's here. I'm talking about right now! (Besides, I thought you guys don't want to talk about the past.)<BR/><BR/>So, a project is coming. That you don't answer why is alarming.<BR/><BR/>Where's the proof of pollution anyway? Why the mega cost project, if we don't need that? What's your excuse? Why if Golden State removes nitrates, and that was the excuse for the big sewer, what gives? Especially when we're in a deep recession. Why not cluster areas and homes that ARE polluting? Why not have everyone who benefits pay? Why stick the entire bill on the PZ homeowners if they're not polluting? <BR/><BR/>You simply don't address any of this. I didn't expect you would or could. Clearly, this has never been about pollution. You wanted the town cleaned out, you wanted your home(s) to increase in value (good luck with that now), etc.<BR/><BR/>But you can look the other way, just like the County and Pandora while the total rip-off and scam take place. <BR/><BR/>Then you say, "Gee, we haven't had any bids yet, nor do we know what the project is - you sound rather ignorant making these claims...."<BR/><BR/>Well, we had bids before, we know what this thing will cost and placed on JUST 4,500 HOMEOWNERS. It's not legal, it's not moral, and it's fraud and corruption -- plain and simple. I don't understand how you people can live with yourselves...really.<BR/><BR/>P.S. Why don't you answer how much grant money Cal Poly will get for the digs?<BR/><BR/>Love those County biscuits.<BR/>Love those Cal Poly biscuits...!GetRealOsoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11936638912249439168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-65791894167327203452008-10-29T19:09:00.000-07:002008-10-29T19:09:00.000-07:00Whatza matter markie...???? Maybe you could post ...Whatza matter markie...???? Maybe you could post 6 or 7 more consecutive quotes and reasons why we should "trust" snakeoil salesmen from Az or Nv...???<BR/><BR/>Since you don't own or even live in our community and have been run out of town by your buddy Tom, guess there is nothng more any of us on either side of our own local issues need to chat with you about... You never said anything anyway, never could tell us the truth about the Reclamator and the Service Agreement... Enjoy the Maricopa County weather....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-52873313243664532452008-10-29T18:45:00.000-07:002008-10-29T18:45:00.000-07:00Lynette,You should take some time off...Lynette,<BR/><BR/>You should take some time off...Watershed Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06717188673263291686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-53876196199490255192008-10-29T18:29:00.000-07:002008-10-29T18:29:00.000-07:00Oh yes, I "trust" Lisa, and Chuck and especially J...Oh yes, I "trust" Lisa, and Chuck and especially Julie... They have given us a Plan for an alternative WWTF, they have given us an out of town site ready to go, they have provided a transparent governance and responsible fiscal management... and now I trust Karen to carry on those same caring actions....<BR/><BR/>My, what an honest group of community stewards.... maybe Jeff will finally get to develope the old Tri-W site... sorry All, ain't going to be any low cost housing, just nice profitable condo's.... Yup, it's great to live in Los Osos.....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-17586987662038039792008-10-29T18:06:00.000-07:002008-10-29T18:06:00.000-07:00I don't trust people pushing me so hard to sell me...I don't trust people pushing me so hard to sell me that they have the "one and only solution." I'm tired of Orenco and Ripley hanging around like vultures. <BR/><BR/>I'm tired of conclusions like "step is best" when NWRI does NOT make that claim. Why have you not addressed that here?<BR/><BR/>People I don't trust may or may not be you, salesmen, contractors, or PhD's. If you are pushing, I am suspicious.<BR/><BR/>I don't see step working for a lot of reasons and the comebacks have not convinced me to change my mind, yet you keep pushing anyway. I don't think we need one more fake "town hall" with salesmen.<BR/><BR/>I see osos change is back with the innuendo. If someone was filling my pockets with money, I wouldn't be stressing out over this. When it is over and built, I'll still be here with the same pockets that I have now.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-73870669990472133852008-10-29T18:05:00.000-07:002008-10-29T18:05:00.000-07:00Sewertoons said... mark says:"Power outage could a...Sewertoons said... <BR/>mark says:<BR/>"Power outage could affect delivery of water to your residence."<BR/><BR/>No, it does not. The CSD just spent a ton of money on a brand new generator, the water keeps coming - it did even with the old generator. The is no disruption of water service. Large families might just have issues that single people do not. <BR/>Lynette, didn’t the Men’s Resort have a brand new generator that failed which caused the spill a few months back?<BR/><BR/>You the new salesman for eOne? …….This has been addressed on another thread.Watershed Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06717188673263291686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-4964267629228690232008-10-29T17:39:00.000-07:002008-10-29T17:39:00.000-07:00They only trust Pandora Nash-Karner and Montgomery...They only trust Pandora Nash-Karner and Montgomery Watson-Harza... or whoever is filling their pockets with money.Osos Changehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05316645018223542172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-39012758169710917102008-10-29T17:38:00.000-07:002008-10-29T17:38:00.000-07:00You don't trust us, you don't trust salesmen, you ...You don't trust us, you don't trust salesmen, you don't trust contractors, you don't trust folks with PhDs...Piperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17363492832286284388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-21464714417327929742008-10-29T16:35:00.000-07:002008-10-29T16:35:00.000-07:00mark says:"Power outage could effect delivery of w...mark says:<BR/>"Power outage could effect delivery of water to your residence."<BR/><BR/>No, it does not. The CSD just spent a ton of money on a brand new generator, the water keeps coming - it did even with the old generator. The is no disruption of water service. Large families might just have issues that single people do not.<BR/><BR/>You the new salesman for eOne?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-43673331804809146442008-10-29T15:56:00.000-07:002008-10-29T15:56:00.000-07:00Also,You won't have washing machine, dishwasher, h...Also,<BR/>You won't have washing machine, dishwasher, hot water(maybe) for a shower.<BR/><BR/>Also, I'm sure that E-One can design a larger tank if it is required.Watershed Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06717188673263291686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-88011855211638775572008-10-29T15:48:00.000-07:002008-10-29T15:48:00.000-07:00Lynette,Power outage could effect delivery of wate...Lynette,<BR/><BR/>Power outage could effect delivery of water to your residence.<BR/><BR/>If the power goes out for act protracted length of time, one might assume appropriate adjustments in one's behavior.Watershed Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06717188673263291686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-64805152334080426992008-10-29T15:06:00.000-07:002008-10-29T15:06:00.000-07:00"E/One Sewer Systems serve over 500,000 end-users ..."E/One Sewer Systems serve over 500,000 end-users daily."<BR/><BR/>How many in the US? I see they print their brochure in Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese. Perhaps the bulk are out of the county, as there is little from the USA on their website.<BR/><BR/>Also off the site:<BR/>"The GP 2000 grinder pump, the heart of the E/One Sewer system, provides wastewater storage, grinding and pumping in a single unit."<BR/><BR/>Nowhere can I find the size of the tank! No wait - "The tank is made from tough, corrosion-resistant HDPE. The optimum tank capacity of 70 gallons is based on computer studies of water usage patterns."<BR/><BR/>Now how does this work exactly in a 3-day power outage with a 70 gallon capacity???Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-13174598486946050222008-10-29T14:56:00.000-07:002008-10-29T14:56:00.000-07:00By "Real Numbers," I assume best guesses? That is ...By "Real Numbers," I assume best guesses? That is all we can have except from Tri-W which had actual bids. I would not take the word of a salesman as a real number. So I hope that if people show up on the 21st, they are aware that the numbers floated out there will be persuasive guesses by salesmen that want the WWTF job.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-37283284742061856742008-10-29T13:52:00.000-07:002008-10-29T13:52:00.000-07:00Come and see even more options soon, (and their co...Come and see even more options soon, (and their cost too), at a venue near you. (Community Center, Evening of Nov. 21st) :)Piperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17363492832286284388noreply@blogger.com