tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post1730902634547834803..comments2023-10-28T03:14:44.519-07:00Comments on Calhouns Can(n)ons: Start Yer Engines. No, Wait, Stop Yer Engines. No, Wait . . . Oh NevermindNewsstandGreghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-3048352433807848212009-12-04T11:08:50.423-08:002009-12-04T11:08:50.423-08:00Well Mother time has ticked her tock and we’ve bee...Well Mother time has ticked her tock and we’ve been kicked off the front page again.<br />Actually Lynette (toons preferred?)<br />I regret to say that you are more then 51% right, I'm not sure how you did it. <br />I don’t have the time to review that ALL of Cabrillo’s groundwater contribution, (western edge certainly drains directly west) does NOT: <br />1. enter the non aquifer- perched communicating, potentially-entering drinking supply groundwaters.<br />2. communicate via known (Creek) or unknown underground structures (nothing magical about that)into the 2+ constrained Aquifers.<br /><br />Given that the value of 14,600 is mentioned (2000 census is on order of, 14,350 if memory serves) you are not isolating PZ in your statements. The waterboard did. Consequence? <br />And you are totally wrong about "No one is blaming Los Osos for all pollution" It is exactly because of statements of that nature, by the regulatory authorities, that I, and I (know and) suspect some of the other SCIENTISTS involved, shed the scientific neutrality. I’ve agreed with Wade Brimm, before I heard of him, or of his words, because there are physical consequences to interruptions to the natural transport of waters, via drilling, and that is even with careful drilling, without significant pumping.<br /><br />I wrote this following italicized YESTERDAY, after the midday post by Aaron. Didn't post it, because the cycle deteriorated ("Thanks" Mike~~~~~~~~);<i><br />Interesting Cycle, worked its way back to technical matters, except for the acrimony. You are both right and both wrong. <br />Gosh that sounded real Namby pamby. And the TRVTH never lies in the exact middle.<br />Well I did make most of those points at one time or another before <b> State and Federal agencies </b>.<br />I suggest you both (mostly Aaron, in this instance) clearly separate Aquifer pollution from Bay pollution.<br />And, S-toons the aquifer recharge umbrella and the transport of pollutants is bigger than the regulatory umbrella. I'm so glad you guys are getting to almost not talking past each other."</i><br /><br />Special note to Aaron; you have gained some significant respect in my eyes, and I don't hand that out easily or in negotiation. But it is still your potential I am respecting. I have been given the ultimate compliment by most of the Key Players in this Game, including Walcott recognized players. This is not about you, please do not engage me in challenge.<br />And thank you well stated, but to clarify further I am not a centrist because I listen to opinions. Choosing to break the cycle of operating out of “victimization” has more to do with it. The more I observed the Data, the more I understood T-W design was not all that bad (The County’s Tonini proved me right on that technically, expense is another matter, social feasibility, land use non-withstanding. Also as presented in ‘05 was not going to deliver from SW Intrusion. Broederson capacity= Total project Output? unlikely, Miller proved me right on that) And that was around late ’05 that I Blah blah blah <br /><i>These paragraphs available, free of charge, for trolling by Wolcott recognized players.</i><br /><br />Word verification:Valvagob<br />If I post enogh will i get: gobbledigook?Alon Perlmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00155776897189144501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-65031998522551965452009-12-04T01:11:43.566-08:002009-12-04T01:11:43.566-08:00I must have hit a nerve. "Off-topic, uncalled...I must have hit a nerve. "Off-topic, uncalled for, puerile and rather off-key creepy." Sounds like a description of one of "Mike's" posts followed by an army of exclamation points, character attacks and death threats written in <b>CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</b><br /><br />As someone who has mocked the fidelity of the LOCSD directors anonymously on SanLuisObispo.com, I find your offense to my ribbing to be hilarious. In all seriousness, you do have some eerily similar traits to Gail Wilcox. You and Wilcox have been selling gravity way before the promise from the County that the best technology would float to the top. Everything other alternative would sink before they were given the ability to swim.<br /><br />Because you're treading over the same ground that we've discussed before, I will direct you to my previous comments (made since November 2008). I've made my positions rather clear, but somehow you keep misinterpreting where I stand. At this point in time, I find no reason to discuss anything further with you.<br /><br />Sleep well, Mrs. Tornatzky. I rest my case.Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955571563734090743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-58134096276288780962009-12-04T00:34:54.642-08:002009-12-04T00:34:54.642-08:00Well, Aaron you have hit a new low. Off-topic, unc...Well, Aaron you have hit a new low. Off-topic, uncalled for, puerile and rather off-key creepy. You have only damaged yourself with your grossly inappropriate statement.<br /><br />Back ON topic, you seem to be confusing the estuary and the bay with the aquifers. 83-13 was NOT about pollution in the estuary, but in our drinking water.<br /><br />Whatever the tests said then doesn't matter now anyway. We can't go back in time, although PZLDF tried - and royally failed. It isn't about a Prohibition Zone, it is about our aquifer pollution. What has Water Board enforcement go to do with our moral obligation to not pee into where we drink anyway? Shouldn't we be doing this without prodding? Animals with no training whatsoever have figured that one out!<br /><br />The upper aquifer was safe to drink not that long ago. It isn't now. Have we suddenly had a huge influx of cows and horses over the past 30 years to cause this? No, less if anything. Why won't you accept that we are obligated to clean up our pollution?<br /><br />You want to add in Cabrillo and other non-PZ areas? You are asking to spend a LOT MORE money to do so, upping the cost over what we are already having to pay. Cabrillo's run off goes off in another direction, therefor not harming our aquifers and it would be silly to include the 1 acre lots, as septics do work there.<br /><br />No one is blaming Los Osos for all pollution, but we of all entities that you list, do the LEAST toward cleaning up our water, which is nothing. That is why I support the Water Board, because special interests would derail any sewer project without the threat of fines. That is just a sad reality for Los Osos.<br /><br />You make excuses that we shouldn't have to pay because others pollute too. But others are already paying! There are special restrictions on ag run-off and farmers pay for it and monitor it. Morro Bay is building a new plant. The Men's Colony pays fines if it goofs - their discharge is closely monitored. (And BTW, the park and Cuesta all use that same WWTF.) The question should be - why has it taken so long for us to pay - it costs us more each time we try to avoid fixing it.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-69628464274955447492009-12-03T18:11:51.705-08:002009-12-03T18:11:51.705-08:00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955571563734090743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-87643832026428206732009-12-03T16:37:48.123-08:002009-12-03T16:37:48.123-08:00....thank you M....!!!!....thank you M....!!!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-46211468521500558432009-12-03T16:33:40.669-08:002009-12-03T16:33:40.669-08:00Mike, is your keyboard programed to allow with one...Mike, is your keyboard programed to allow with one touch ...!!! or...??? or...?<br />Sincerely, MMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422834300453521293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-90438505706849504502009-12-03T16:13:00.298-08:002009-12-03T16:13:00.298-08:00Geez Aaron... you keep on proving what a pompus as...Geez Aaron... you keep on proving what a pompus ass you really are...!!! Sleeping with Gibson...??? What in the world are you thinking...??? Is that the best insult you can come up with...???? Do you ever think or just run off at the mouth... But keep on running your words, we're all getting a great laugh out of a little boy trying to talk grown up...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-60295044839153535612009-12-03T14:51:06.708-08:002009-12-03T14:51:06.708-08:00You're either taking notes for Gibson or you&#...You're either taking notes for Gibson or <b>you're sleeping with him</b>. For someone to hold some strongly held opinions based on wrong information, I don't know how else you could stand by it.<br /><br />My belief stems from expert testimony. Though the Prohibition Zone consist of a heavily dense residential area where septic pollution is likely, I believe that many of the once-permitted septic tanks are not the sole cause of pollution. Los Osos septics is not the arch-polluter.<br /><br />Here's a list of polluters:<br /><br />- Septic tanks within the Los Osos "Prohibition Zone"<br />- Septic tanks outside the Los Osos "Prohibition Zone"<br />- All creeks and drainages leading to the Estuary<br />- Agricultural runoff<br />- Agriculturally-impacted groundwater<br />- The closed Turri landfill<br />- Urban runoff from Morro Bay and Los Osos/Baywood Park<br />- Discharges, leakages and dumping of wastes from commercial and private boats<br />- Pet wastes<br />- Bird wastes<br />- Naturally-decaying nitrogen-fixing Valley shrubs, plants and grasses<br />- Morro Bay Power Plant<br />- Morro Bay Sewer Plant<br />- Wastes produced by homeless residents<br />- The California Men’s Colony<br />- Cuesta College<br />- El Chorro Regional Park<br />- Sea Pines Golf Resort<br />- Dairy Creek Golf Course<br />- Morro Bay State Park and Campground<br />- Monarch Grove Sewer Treatment Facility<br />- All county and state facilities and operations located on or near Kansas Ave.<br />- All dumping, discharges and leakages from commercial and residential development adjacent to or near Morro Bay and Morro Bay National Estuary.<br /><br />Those are the polluters, but Prohibition Zone residents are being blamed for all of it. They are having to pay based on the loopy presumption that only they are polluting the groundwater.<br /><br />As a candidate in 2006, you said at the first candidate forum, "I support the Regional Water Quality Board's enforcement," and that statement encompasses support of Resolution 83-13, a resolution that was passed 14 years before the Nitrate Study, which you called "ancient history."<br /><br />There is no evidence to sustain your belief that all 14,600 residents are polluting the water. Your "belief" has contributed to social alienation; physical, mental, spiritual and fiscal anguish of residents who were proclaimed guilty before they could prove their innocence.<br /><br /><b>I found another lie that you made.</b> You say I "apparently think we don't need a sewer." Time and time again I have clarified to you on Calhoun's Cannon, on the Razor and in personal e-mail correspondence -- which you've omitted in your criticism of me -- that Los Osos needs a sewer, but PZ residents shouldn't be the only ones that pick up the tab. I find your assertions to be intellectually dishonest.<br /><br />The people of Los Osos can see right though you now.Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955571563734090743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-23058422278864612362009-12-03T14:25:00.013-08:002009-12-03T14:25:00.013-08:00Gee Aaron, I AM a student! I graduated from colleg...Gee Aaron, I AM a student! I graduated from college a long time ago, but have continued to take classes for years. I'm currently enrolled in 2 classes at Cuesta - and you?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-8638304248171468572009-12-03T14:21:16.227-08:002009-12-03T14:21:16.227-08:00Aaron,
Sounds like you just don't think we a...Aaron, <br /><br />Sounds like you just don't think we are polluting. How can you believe this without believing in Magic Sand? 14,600 people are using the ground above the drinking water aquifers as a litter box - yet we are responsible for none of the pollution? No, you DO believe in Magic Sand!<br /><br />83-13 is not relevant to any of this. How did I support it? I wasn't even here! Whatever the pollution levels were in 1983, it is different now. If we didn't need a sewer 30 years ago, we do now.<br /><br />You are aware that emerging contaminants from body care products, drugs and spermicides are also found in our upper aquifer, so how can you say that none of the nitrates found there are NOT from the 8 to 12 homes per acre on septics? You are aware that we used to be able to drink from the upper aquifer, and now we can't. Did suddenly the nitrates from ancient forests or prairies full of horses let loose to make that happen?<br /><br />Neither you nor I have degrees in soil science, but that is irrelevant to what we believe. I chose to believe that 14,600 humans are polluting the water we drink and I guess you do not.<br /><br />Maybe you can explain how "MWH was the only group that actually invested money to a political campaign that supported their system and their plans" matters? Wasn't the recall successful? How did that money get us to gravity now?<br /><br />"This is the very same Assemblyman who forced the district's hand to accept his compromise, which had gravity collection out of town." Aaron, you don't seem to "get" that the contract for gravity was signed LONG ago, and the CSD had to abide by that contract, not make up a whole new set of plans. In fact, the Lisa board DID accept the gravity portion - then ratted out by not agreeing to a bridge loan! Blakeslee had nothing to do with that original gravity decision, he was just trying to save the District from ruin - but the Lisa board didn't want to apparently.<br /><br />I'm glad that you are so in love with STEP - but gravity will work best here for the many reasons stated in the past. But that point too is moot, as you apparently think we don't need a sewer. Why even bother to pipe up, as we ARE getting a sewer, whether you think we need one or not. Let those of us who do want one be the ones to make the decision between STEP and gravity - oh wait, we ALREADY did that!<br /><br />PS - I never took notes for Bruce Gibson! Why would he even WANT notes from me? Where do you get this stuff?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-25563712361690921612009-12-03T13:57:54.392-08:002009-12-03T13:57:54.392-08:00I don't know if you're trying to rile me u...I don't know if you're trying to rile me up or -- in your words -- get "very huffy," but it's not working. I mean, these opinions are coming from an anonymous named "Mike," who has not once provided any insight that reflects his personal credentials.<br /><br />I want to note to readers that there is no person -- who is 66 years old (age obtained from a previous comment "Mike" has made) -- in Los Osos, CA named "Mike" or Michael. According to veteran records, there is no 66-year-old veteran in Los Osos, CA who goes by the name of "Mike" or Michael (born between 1942-1944). This leads me to believe you're not actually "Mike" at all -- so here's my question. Why should readers take your comments seriously when you're being dishonest about who you really are? Why should readers take you seriously when all you've done is insult people who disagree with you?<br /><br />Los Osos resident Ted Peterson once said to me that words have more meaning when they're spoken by someone who personally stands by their comments. If you're going to continue posting as "Mike," keep in mind that anonymous comments don't have as much priority for consideration as someone like Richard LeGros. Actually, scratch that. He's used multiple accounts for the sole purpose of casting character assassinations (InsideTheCSD, Gadfly, Thinker). Not a smart idea given that he once swore to serve the people that he's now insulting.<br /><br />Your current strategy isn't working too well. Might want to reconsider.Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955571563734090743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-71677544469669179102009-12-03T13:38:47.829-08:002009-12-03T13:38:47.829-08:00...in other words... you have no degree or experie......in other words... you have no degree or experience... Only your opinions which you deliver in a stilted manner to puff yourself up to sound as if you were an expert.... and you get very huffy when challenged... <br /><br />Anyone may call themself a "researcher", but unless that person has some serious training (such as completing a college degree), then they are only speculating as to the completness of the research and the validity of the results... Nothing that Aaron has attempted to articulate in his high and mighty manner would be considered complete or valid, merely pompus opinion...!!!!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-43573981897534196322009-12-03T13:21:25.324-08:002009-12-03T13:21:25.324-08:00Alon, you are one of a few who are very articulate...Alon, you are one of a few who are very articulate in your assessments of opinions on both sides -- and thank you for that.<br /><br />I want to clarify something in regards to my credentials and experience. As a centrist, Alon knows that I'm not a wastewater expert nor did I ever make the claim that I was one. In fact, I <i>don't want</i> to be an expert in that field. However, I am a researcher. Opinionated? Sure. Who isn't?<br /><br />I put my faith in the experts and their credentials.<br /><br />If you're still wondering, "What are Aaron's credentials?" The answer is simple. <b>I'm a student</b>. I like learning so I want to remain in the process of learning. Being a student is a lifelong process. I know that I don't know everything, and knowing that satisfies me. If only Lynette was more accepting of that way of thinking.Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955571563734090743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-52784583460740501552009-12-03T12:53:32.080-08:002009-12-03T12:53:32.080-08:00Excuse me Aaron, "I learned that those who to...Excuse me Aaron, <i>"I learned that <b>those</b> who tout the label of being centrists are not centrists at all." </i>. Though I understand that your focus and context is “Save the Dream” and “Taxpayers Watch”. There are those reading this, who may not know that I <b>am</b> a centrist, in the full sense of the word, as opposed to one who touts labels. <br />Given that I have referred to myself as such, several times, (And by no means is that all that I am, more of a place marker), I would appreciate not receiving Side Splatter of Broad Brush Strokes.<br />For example; <i>"I learned that <b>some</b> who tout the label” </i>would have served both our purposes. Thank you for your consideration of this matter.Alon Perlmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00155776897189144501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-4650138835978045872009-12-03T12:43:46.028-08:002009-12-03T12:43:46.028-08:00WOW Aaron, feeling like you lost control and have ...WOW Aaron, feeling like you lost control and have been exposed as just another opinionated and immature kid...<br /><br />"Post your wastewater credentials -- and that does not include reading Barbara Wolcott's book, attending board meetings and taking notes for Bruce Gibson."<br /><br />WHERE ARE AARON'S CREDENTIALS...???? OH, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY....!!!!!!! He would have actually had to have gone to college, earned a degree and maybe gotten a job....????? Just all he really is, is a little pimple on the butt of the sewer concern... He does like to pop off like he had some control over those who disagree with his personal "opinions"...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-26610067672890633342009-12-03T12:15:43.121-08:002009-12-03T12:15:43.121-08:00Lynette,
Once again, your logic is flawed. If you...Lynette,<br /><br />Once again, your logic is flawed. If you're going to dismiss 10+ year old reports as ancient history, then you may want to reconsider your support of Resolution 83-13, which was passed in 1983 without any documented support of pollution. You may want to reconsider your support of the RWQCB's Basin Plan, which was drafted in 1982. So let me get this straight. You will accept 27-year-old allegations of pollution, but you think Brimm's report from 1997 is "ancient history"? Fascinating!<br /><br />What makes you believe that I believe in "magic sand"? I've heard that term being thrown around when Dr. Ruehr's name is mentioned. Do you have a bachelor’s degree in agronomy, a master’s degree in agronomy and soil science. Did you receive a Ph.D. in that field? Did you ever receive the Distinguished Teaching Award from Cal Poly? Were you ever a charter member of the Environmental Biotechnology Institute? No? What's your background? Where have you worked? Not even Lou has those kind of credentials. All you got is a term you put in quotes as if you know what you're talking about. That's nice.<br /><br /><b>Post your wastewater credentials -- and that does not include reading Barbara Wolcott's book, attending board meetings and taking notes for Bruce Gibson.</b><br /><br />The best technology rose to the top? I believe you were at the office hours when Paavo Ogren explained in great detail to me that gravity collection was the only technology that was ever considered by Public Works in their initial project scope evaluations dating back to the time when AB2701 was signed into law. The technology was already chosen before other technologies could rise to the top. You're telling readers that gravity went through the design-build process and it naturally floated to the top when competing with STEP/STEG? <b>That's one lie.</b><br /><br />No, MWH did not make public appearances plugging themselves, but <b>they did donate $10,000 to Save the Dream</b>, an organization that aimed to protect the seats of the three CSD directors who were recalled. While other salesmen and opportunists had public gatherings plugging themselves, MWH was the only group that actually invested money to a political campaign that supported their system and their plans. I noticed you didn't mention that little factoid in your previous post.<br /><br />Let's not forget that even Assemblyman Sam Blakeslee was given $6,600 by Tim and Mary Barnard of Bozeman, Montana, owners of Barnard Construction, the firm that was contracted to build the sewer for Los Osos in 2005 (they are also sub-contractors of Montgomery Watson-Harza). This is the very same Assemblyman who forced the district's hand to accept his compromise, which had gravity collection out of town. The Blakeslee compromise served as the stepping stone for Public Works to proceed with that system even though Mr. Ogren assured the public that the best technology would float to the top.<br /><br />About the whole "non-biased" and neutral thing... I learned that those who tout the label of being centrists are not centrists at all. Since 2005, I've repeatedly asked for information from Save the Dream and Taxpayers Watch. I can proudly say that I have listened extensively to both sides, something you haven't done... something you will never do.Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955571563734090743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-14771684000442400922009-12-03T09:18:30.380-08:002009-12-03T09:18:30.380-08:00Aaron, I will ask again. Where are the recent stud...Aaron, I will ask again. Where are the recent studies that agree with Brimm's 1997 report. That report was done 12 years ago! Ancient history! I don't say Brimm and Stillman are selling themselves because they are not here pushing anything.<br /><br />8 to 12 houses to an acre and you somehow manage to believe in magic sand! Amazing! Just amazing!<br /><br />The best technology did rise to the top - gravity. Too bad it doesn't have the cool feature of needing an easement onto private property, thereby giving the No-Sewers another shot at killing the project!<br /><br />And as to why 70 acres was not used for a pond? Ask the Farm Bureau what they think about that. Not gonna happen in this county! Most ponds are used as polishing ponds anyway, not primary treatment in order to get the nitrate levels down.<br /><br />I don't recall MWH at any public gatherings plugging themselves - unlike Ripley and Orenco. Paavo "selling" something no one even remembers back in 1999? He was on a team that competed with MWH - that is relevant here - how?<br /><br />Thanks for clarifying where you stand in all of this though. Your claim of being non-biased and neutral has been shot to pieces however.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-16932650559138641542009-12-03T09:16:06.266-08:002009-12-03T09:16:06.266-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-83988222858961035832009-12-03T09:12:46.579-08:002009-12-03T09:12:46.579-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-5335797279278692532009-12-03T08:09:36.813-08:002009-12-03T08:09:36.813-08:00I'm a bit curious as to what "facts"...I'm a bit curious as to what "facts" Aaron has that support the "Pathological liar" statement. He has used that statement several times when he apparently can't handle any challenge to his ego. <br /><br />C'mon Aaron, support your statement, or are you just another immature and uneducated kid trying to be the schoolyard bully...??? <br /><br />Maybe Aaron is the "Pathological liar" who can't stand to be challenged on his opinions (they certainly are not facts).... Maybe he ought to go to school and get a job before he tries to sound like he knows what he says/types...<br /><br />I'll bet he thinks the PZLDF actually was supporting the entire LO community.... guess he is not the expert he thinks he is....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-41180038978454259882009-12-03T07:37:23.824-08:002009-12-03T07:37:23.824-08:00Aaron
Alexander's recommended treatment proce...Aaron<br /><br />Alexander's recommended treatment process relies on the science of "electron scrambling". Since you believe in this perhaps you could explain it. His resume does not mention where he obtained his doctorate degree. Do you know?<br /><br />Dr. Wickham's degree is in zoology and he is an expert on lobsters. He has wrtitten that his wasstewater treatment system, if widely adopted, could reverse golobal warming. Perhaps you could help us understand how this works too?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04306678062294501213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-82187788302938687942009-12-03T07:01:14.098-08:002009-12-03T07:01:14.098-08:00Aaron sez:"Having that said, I believe in the...Aaron sez:"Having that said, I believe in the testimony provided by the experts. I believe in Brimm's 1997 SLO Nitrate Study. I believe Stillman's assessment that Brown & Caldwell did a poor job in constructing the groundwater monitoring (illegal) wells in 1982, the very same wells that the RWQCB based their pollution claims on."<br /><br />What was so telling is when these illegally capped wells were reported to the county, and the RWQCB, the RWQCB said That's the County's problem, and the county said, So? So much for "science" and "following the law." That's what's made this whole saga so amazing. Selective science. Selective laws. Selective "truth." All done under color of "law" and "science," with all kinds of interesting thumbs on the scales.And all the result of failing to treat the issues as a basinwide water/waste problem. Thus fudging the data, ignoring illegal wells, ignoring complex or contradictory data were all caused by the need to defend the indefensible -- the foolish and aribitrary PZ. And lies begat lies until the whole thing grew, like Mopsey, into Mad Hatter World where up is down and fake is real and common sense flies out the window and CYA fear and the rush for the big bucks flies in. And a few homeowners get stuck with the bill. <br /><br />Alon sez:"I do believe the STEP Gravity Coulda/Shoulda had been firmly settled at the Outset of TAC. <br />The Cut away Tank on the East side of farmers market was balanced by Don Bearden’s presentation to the West. There was no misrepresentation of intent, by either."<br /><br />More Tragedy of Los Osos. More thumbs on the scale. Remember the promised Process? That pleasant lie that the best technology will rise to the top? Fair competition in a fair design build process? Ah, yes. THAT promise. Right.Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701649330085709021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-27543738798025520822009-12-03T00:24:34.242-08:002009-12-03T00:24:34.242-08:00Having said that, I'm not answering your quest...Having said that, I'm not answering your question. Moving on.<br /><br />Taxpayers Watch... nothing to do with citizen involvement... except having the word "taxpayer" in the name. Brilliant! Just brilliant. I'll just form a non-profit organization that sounds like I'm representing a bunch of people and I'll find something to sue you for. See? I'm watching taxpayers. Way to go, champ.<br /><br />The truth can be insulting. Pathological liar? Yes, you are one. Sorry to break the news to you. Seriously, I could write a book that's equivalent in pages to The Bible and document all your deceitful comments. Three minutes at LOCSD public comment would not be enough time to tell the people of Los Osos about how deceitful and rude you are. Behind the smile and wave is a person whose heart is as dark as night.<br /><br />Having that said, I believe in the testimony provided by the experts. I believe in Brimm's 1997 SLO Nitrate Study. I believe Stillman's assessment that Brown & Caldwell did a poor job in constructing the groundwater monitoring (illegal) wells in 1982, the very same wells that the RWQCB based their pollution claims on. I believe in Dr. Ruehr's 1994 Los Osos-Baywood Park Nitrogen Study. I believe in the alternatives that Dr. Alexander, well-known member of President Ronald Reagan’s Science Advisory Commission, recommended to then-supervisor Bud Laurent. I believe in them. <br /><br />You believe in the County's reports? Good for you. I believe in facts.Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955571563734090743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-42939798557387019332009-12-03T00:24:15.050-08:002009-12-03T00:24:15.050-08:00One more post before Colbert Report. At least Colb...One more post before Colbert Report. At least Colbert knows he's a joke. <br /><br />Also, thank you for correcting my typo. Allow me to return the favor and correct you.<br /><br />As I recall, Mrs. Tornatzky, every time the opposition invoked the word "expert," you've responded by saying, "Oh, you mean the SALESMEN?" and your scope of references were limited to that of Dana Ripley and Tom Murphy, two known figures who stood by their respective products. As I read your comments about those two, you don't state specifically why you don't agree with them -- just that they're "salesmen." Let's conveniently forget that Montgomery Watson-Harza are also salesmen. Let's conveniently forget that each contractor in the design-build RFQ is selling their product, their technology, their ideas. Using your logic, I can say -- when it comes to the process -- "Trust no one." I can't trust Carollo because they use MWH-based statistics. I can't trust Paavo Ogren. He was on a design team that competed with MWH back before he became Interim GM of the LOCSD in 1999. He was selling something then. Let's throw the good ol' boys out of the room. They're salesmen! Oh wait, what's that? You support them? Ah, I understand. That's real swell. Hypocritical? Just a little bit.<br /><br />Now, even though you never mentioned Wade Brimm and Glenn Stillman, the position you've taken is that <b>all</b> the opposition's experts are "salesmen" without once providing a shred of evidence supporting the claim that Los Osos septic tanks are the primary cause of pollution. As an academic/legal researcher, I find it alarming that you feel you have the tenacity to state repeatedly that these professionals are just selling something and therefore -- without once mentioning why you disagree with any of them with documentation -- their opinions ought to be disregarded.<br /><br />While your comments aren't defamatory in a legal sense, you are defaming professionals by marginalizing their opinions and contributions to a label without ever justifying why they deserve that label -- and when you don't allow them to defend themselves, when you don't contact them to find out more about where they're coming from, you come across as arrogant and foolish. How come I have to pull out the data and you just sit here, making a mockery of those who care? Why should I have to answer your questions when you don't answer them? Why should we listen to you when you don't listen to us? Why should we exert the effort to listen?Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955571563734090743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-23925218076843122502009-12-02T23:13:07.015-08:002009-12-02T23:13:07.015-08:00Sorry, typo!
Aaron,
You're just NOW remindin...Sorry, typo!<br /><br />Aaron,<br /><br />You're just NOW reminding me to back up some statement that I supposedly made a YEAR ago? Lame excuse to not answer a question. Your off -topic deflections are not fooling anyone, you really don't want to answer, do you?<br /><br />Where did I say that I thought Wade Brimm (not Grimm) or Glenn Stillman were experts? That's apparently YOUR classification, but it is not mine - I mean - who are they? Has their research come up in any current reports for this sewer? I'm not hammering them, so why do they need to defend themselves?<br /><br />I think you don't understand what I meant about power. Your only hope of getting answers is persuasion. Insults have the opposite effect. <br /><br />What "footing" do you think TW has? They are in a closed door settlement phase in the bankruptcy, which has nothing to do with citizen involvement, so what do you refer to exactly? (Really, as insults go, you need to do a little better than that IMHO, as this doesn't even make sense.)<br /><br />I stand up and say I believe the County's reports. If you believe what Brimm, Stillman and Alexander say, why don't YOU stand up and say so?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.com