tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post434021893301614453..comments2023-10-28T03:14:44.519-07:00Comments on Calhouns Can(n)ons: NewsstandGreghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-9305343856828650092007-08-02T12:34:00.000-07:002007-08-02T12:34:00.000-07:00I doubt that the County is planning on trying to t...I doubt that the County is planning on trying to tie together the Morro Bay situation with the Los Osos situation. Not only does the County not have any jurisdiction over Morro Bay, they don't want to delay the Los Osos sewer ... and trying to figure out how to get permits to pump sewage through a state park and national estuary will cause a bit of delay.<BR/><BR/><BR/>On the two other issues brought up ... <BR/><BR/>$30M over budget because of artifacts and $30M under budget because of bids on the CSD version of TriW being too high sort of cancel out. <BR/><BR/>About the AG creek ... it is pretty clear that DWR could do that ... it is not exactly clear who would be best suited in Sacramento to swoop in to build us a sewer. I suspect that it would take special legislation to give some agency the right to do that. One the other hand, special legislation to take the Los Osos sewer project from one group and give it to another is getting be be old hat.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-20613372554116880302007-08-02T11:46:00.000-07:002007-08-02T11:46:00.000-07:00What - the County and Jo-o-o-o-e-e-e-e-y are on th...What - the County and Jo-o-o-o-e-e-e-e-y are on the same page for regional?<BR/><BR/>I think the State is watching very carefully as to what is going on here - will we or won't we vote yes on the 218!<BR/><BR/>Does nobody recall the Arroyo Grande Creek problem? The State threatened to level an assessment to clean it up. The Citizens got the County involved and passed their own 218 to take care of the problem, rather than have the state come in to do it. Gee I wonder WHY they didn't want the State involved?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-28400572797989554612007-08-01T18:55:00.000-07:002007-08-01T18:55:00.000-07:00SharkInlet, Crapkiller, Sewertoons:One major compo...SharkInlet, Crapkiller, Sewertoons:<BR/><BR/>One major component you left out is that gravity will run $30 million plus over budget, mostly because of the archeological digs. <BR/><BR/>Dr. T also preferred step over gravity for Los Osos because of the hills and sand. He was part of the NWRI, but on his own, he told the county the same thing. He writes the books and knows better than you three put together...<BR/><BR/>P.S. Looks like the county wants to go regional because of Morro Bay Plant's problem. It's the worst example of government and private industry collusion in California history, if it were a different administration in office right now, it would be the target of a Federal investigation. Don't think that others outside of Los Osos aren't watching what is going on here.Conspiracy Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707953964491297635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-3257506809847190022007-08-01T11:59:00.000-07:002007-08-01T11:59:00.000-07:00Did anyone see in yesterday's Trib that the latest...Did anyone see in yesterday's Trib that the latest bid for a portion of the Nacimiento pipeline project came in 21% lower than the designer's estimate? The first three bids came in 10% what the designer had estimated.<BR/><BR/>Large thanks to shark inlet and 4crapkiller for their clear and reasoned thinking. Totally the opposite of conspiracy boy.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-48797036976562895792007-07-31T09:36:00.000-07:002007-07-31T09:36:00.000-07:00To sharky:You are correct! After we have a tertiar...To sharky:<BR/><BR/>You are correct! After we have a tertiary plus sewer plant and the effluent is less than 7ml/L (water quality standard) we can leach this water into the upper aquifer to replace water drawn from the upper aquifer that has gone through nitrate reduction at the well head. The amount of upper aquifer water used<BR/>and purified will determine the time span for nitrate removal in the upper aquifer.<BR/><BR/>The problem we are looking at is TIME. If we end up with three more years with very low rainfall, we will be looking at VERY difficult times for Los Osos. Right now we are unprepared.<BR/><BR/>The sooner we build a tertiary plus sewer system the sooner we can take care of our water problem.4crapkillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18106205459391355518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-54512095715372213262007-07-31T08:39:00.000-07:002007-07-31T08:39:00.000-07:00Conspiracy Boy,When you talk about costs you are n...Conspiracy Boy,<BR/><BR/>When you talk about costs you are not playing fair.<BR/><BR/>Orenco won't be only $50M. Let's cut you some slack and say it is only $100M today. (Note: this is less than what Ripley says his system would cost and Ripley's system didn't achieve one key RWQCB requirement, denitrification. Note also that even Ripley didn't claim that there would be a great savings by using STEP over gravity from the point of view of installation.)<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, TriW won't be as high as $200M. Even if the bids that came in some 35% over estimated weren't lower (adjusted for inflation) in a re-bid by the County, the remaining construction costs would be about $170M. If the re-bids resulted in lower costs (and that should happen if the bids really were inflated like many suspect).<BR/><BR/>So, we're comparing a $100M solution which won't necessarily meet RWQCB requirements to a $170M solution which would come far closer.<BR/><BR/>Now let's talk inflation. The Orenco system would require about two years to get designed and permitted. That brings the cost up to $117M. Add a 7% interest rate over 30 years (as opposed to a $2.5% interest rate over 20 years).<BR/><BR/>How does this boil out? For just the P&I, TriW would run us about $180 per month for 20 years for a net present value of about $30K per home. Orenco would run us $163 per month for 30 years for a present value of $34k.<BR/><BR/>So, using favorable assumptions for Orenco and unfavorable assumptions for TriW it seems a wash ... except that Orenco's plan won't necessarily accomplish the denitrification that our treatment plant needs to do so that our aquifer can be recharged with water that is cleaner than what is there already.<BR/><BR/><BR/>As for your other contentions, with the exception of NWRI, I won't address them because our conversations are sounding pretty similar over time. On the NWRI issue, they were never charged with determining what was the best option for the cost and what would meet RWQCB requirements, only for addressing the question of STEP versus gravity and in-town versus out-of-town. If you don't ask NWRI the right question they'll give you a useless answer. The LOCSD hired NWRI and asked them exactly the sort of questions that were designed to get the answer that put TriW in the worst possible light.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The unfortunate thing here is that many many individuals all seem to be making decisions for political reasons when they ought to be making decisions based on purely scientific, engineering and financial reasons.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-52280084562385217272007-07-30T19:59:00.000-07:002007-07-30T19:59:00.000-07:00SharkInlet:You say, "... it is like the guy who vo...SharkInlet:<BR/><BR/>You say, "... it is like the guy who votes for the National Socialist party just because they couldn't be worse than the other group who has been in power ..."<BR/><BR/>That sounds more like the 218 vote the way it is set up now. Crapkiller says build any sewer. That's not a very good idea. In fact, it's a stupid idea.<BR/><BR/>I believe Orenco said $50 million -- but even if the price tag was double that, it's still half the cost of gravity. Gravity is going to cost a whole lot more than the county is letting on...way more. You just can't dig so deep and stop during digs, 40 some miles, and expect the price to not go through the roof.<BR/><BR/>We could also assess ourselves. That was always an option for the CSD -- and still build what we want and can afford.<BR/><BR/>You've never addressed the fact that the NWRI and EIR preferred STEP out-of-town.<BR/><BR/>SRF policy says a project HAS to be sustainable for SRF loans...and then there's AB 32 (which Arnold feels strongly about).<BR/><BR/>The PZ was enacted way before Prop 218, which says, "the entire district." I think the PZ is very questionable and could/should be challanged. <BR/><BR/>I'm against gravity because it won't work here. The construction will be horrible, and because so many homes are here in place, it's studid. If homes weren't here, then it might be a different story.<BR/><BR/>Discharge at Broderson is dangerous. Just like what the rain has done to the hills. It's just stupid.<BR/><BR/>The county is doing just what John Alexander once said: "Hook the suckers before they are told the truth!"Conspiracy Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707953964491297635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-89192625879629731872007-07-30T18:03:00.000-07:002007-07-30T18:03:00.000-07:00Conspiracy Boy,While you may have some forms of wi...Conspiracy Boy,<BR/><BR/>While you may have some forms of wisdom, financial wisdom doesn't seem to be one of them.<BR/><BR/>To wit ... your suggestion that private financing is better than a SRF because of fewer restrictions.<BR/><BR/>For example, let's suppose that a project would cost $150M and would be financed over 20 years at 2.5% per year ... one would have to cut some $35M off the project cost before a 30 year loan at 7.5% would provide the same monthly cost (just to simplify things, let's ignore the extra 10 years on the loan for now).<BR/><BR/>So ... once Orenco trots out their numbers and a professional engineer with knowledge of RWQCB and CCC standards verifies that Orenco's cost estimates are both complete and accurate we can talk.<BR/><BR/>As for your suggestion that we can already tell that Orenco is better even without any of the key details being known ... it is like the guy who votes for the National Socialist party just because they couldn't be worse than the other group who has been in power ... and we all know how well that one turned out, don't we?Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-67042113735154973622007-07-30T17:45:00.000-07:002007-07-30T17:45:00.000-07:00SharkInlet:Here we go, round and round again.A sew...SharkInlet:<BR/><BR/>Here we go, round and round again.<BR/><BR/>A sewer can be built by 2011 -- or at least well on the way to completion. It would look really bad for the RWQCB to fine Los Osos when a sewer is almost complete. Don't you think?<BR/><BR/>I like Orenco because of their financing. I never believed going with the SRF was the way to go. We should be able to build what we want and can afford. <BR/><BR/>I hear Orenco will be here on Aug. 2nd. Let's hear them out.<BR/><BR/>The county has said in so many ways, so many times that we're going to have gravity or else, or like it or not. I can not vote for a blank check. The lien from their project could be $100,000.00.<BR/><BR/>I am wise enough to know that the fix is in. I'm not going for it.Conspiracy Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707953964491297635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-71613631213331831572007-07-30T12:15:00.000-07:002007-07-30T12:15:00.000-07:00Conspiracy Boy,Whether you or I or anyone else ......Conspiracy Boy,<BR/><BR/>Whether you or I or anyone else ... but the RWQCB and their staffers ... feel that septics work just fine is irrelevant.<BR/><BR/>Once the RWQCB set the PZ in place, the need for the sewer is clear. Without one we're subject to being essentially bankrupted and/or asked to move out of our homes.<BR/><BR/>Which is worse ... to pay $60k for a sewer or to be forced out of your home until a sewer is put in place and the sewer ends up costing $80k?<BR/><BR/>That's sort of the way I look at it.<BR/><BR/>I would also want to add that cutting the County a blank check seems far wiser than refusing to do so and cutting the LOCSD an even larger blank check...Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-38923397740524037352007-07-30T10:05:00.000-07:002007-07-30T10:05:00.000-07:00Sewertoons:Do I think we need a sewer? Well, I thi...Sewertoons:<BR/><BR/>Do I think we need a sewer? Well, I think some areas with septics work fine. I think there should be a septic survey/management plan to look at everything. Clusters would work in some areas.<BR/><BR/>It's about WANTING a sewer. Most who want the big sewer believe it will increase home values and clear out the riff-raff. I've talked to many Tri-W supporters.<BR/><BR/>I believe it's all about the land. <BR/><BR/>This is 2007 and there are many ways to treat our wastewater, I don't believe much has been explored and that's too bad.<BR/><BR/>I do believe we've been tricked, "bait & switched", lied to, beaten up, bullied, threatened, and more.<BR/><BR/>Over the next ten years, when the construction starts and the bills start coming in, people will put their homes up for sale. The inventory will increase and home prices will drop further (some homes are almost $100,000. less than just three years ago.)<BR/><BR/>Now, tell me who benefits from that? <BR/><BR/>We, in the PZ, have lost equity already, now the county will put liens on our homes. It could be as much as $60,000. - $100,000. we just don't know. We don't know because of the additional monies for public works projects going over budget. Public works projects go over budget. The big gravity system that you support will have cost over-runs -- there is No question about that.<BR/><BR/>That's why this 218 is a blank check!Conspiracy Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707953964491297635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-7954149069972289302007-07-29T21:17:00.000-07:002007-07-29T21:17:00.000-07:00conspiracy boy, do you think that we need a sewer,...conspiracy boy, do you think that we need a sewer, any kind of sewer?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-89462260768573884172007-07-29T21:13:00.000-07:002007-07-29T21:13:00.000-07:00conspiracy boy,Can you tell us if the wells Morro ...conspiracy boy,<BR/><BR/>Can you tell us if the wells Morro Bay uses for water is near any agriculture? <BR/><BR/>Oh, as for spending more, and spending more time to find that "perfect project" that you think the County is failing to do - by that time, nothing will be affordable.<BR/><BR/>if you mean Tri-W out of town to be MBR technology, the County has already stated MBR will only go in at Tri-W, not out of town. <BR/><BR/>You have a crystal ball as to which project will be picked?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-60646626893755445472007-07-29T20:53:00.000-07:002007-07-29T20:53:00.000-07:00Conspiracy Boy,I would have hoped that you would h...Conspiracy Boy,<BR/><BR/>I would have hoped that you would have gotten more details from Orenco before promising us that it was a better solution and that they would save us money.<BR/><BR/>In either case, let's talk nitrates ...<BR/><BR/>The nitrates in our upper aquifer are higher where the septics are more dense and where they are closer to groundwater. The levels are lower outside the PZ.<BR/><BR/>There is no logical explanation for this pattern other than septics. Essentially the RWQCB is telling us that for years we've had a problem with our septic density. We've been asked to do what most communities of our size and density have done ... get a sewer system and WWTF. The County let us down by not doing that years ago. <BR/><BR/>Lowering nitrate levels in the aquifer is a tough thing. The first thing one has to do is to lower the nitrate loading on the aquifer. By getting a WWTF online we'll be doing exactly this. Yes, it will take time to see the results ... but if we don't take any action at all this year, the cumulative effect over many years will be even more difficult to fix than if we take action right away. It is sort of like CO2 and global warming. We all know that there is an imbalance of carbon on this planet and that we produce far more CO2 than plants can convert into O2. If we just wait another decade before we take any action on CO2 and global warming, the problem will be far more difficult to tackle than if we take action today, even if the action is only to limit our CO2 production a bit.<BR/><BR/>One nice thing, though, about getting a WWTF online ... if we want to then use upper aquifer water for drinking we need only denitrify if ... which is far less expensive than getting state water. Furthermore, using the upper aquifer, or blending the water from the two aquifers will dramatically reduce saltwater intrusion.<BR/><BR/><BR/>As for Morro Bay's problem with old pipes ... that happens with gravity and STEP systems.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Lastly, you use the buzzword of sustainable. As an environmentalist I am getting pretty miffed with "move the sewer" and "no sewer" folks co-opting the word sustainable when they haven't really thought through the issues. Even if a "sustainable" plant uses only half the electricity and diesel as TriW, the total savings over the life of the treatment plant and pipes is more than balanced out, cost-wise, by a two year delay in getting the plant online. Even if one is expecting the cost of electricity and diesel to have inflation at about three times the nominal inflation rate, the "sustainable" plant is still more expensive over the life of the plant. <BR/><BR/>So, to achieve "sustainability" we get to pay more and suffer from an additional few years of environmental damage. Doesn't actually sound that wise if you think about it.<BR/><BR/>The TriW plant could be made "sustainable" by simply putting up solar panels all over. There is nothing in the TriW plan that would prevent the use of solar.<BR/><BR/>Essentially I view the use of the word "sustainable" to refer to an alternative to TriW as evidence of sloppy thinking or of a deliberate use of manipulative language.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, I would ask you how your favorite plan (be it orenco or ripley or whatever) would lower the nitrate loadings any sooner or better than TriW.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-16341983365669786622007-07-29T18:38:00.000-07:002007-07-29T18:38:00.000-07:00SharkInlet:It's not troubling that Orenco won't gi...SharkInlet:<BR/><BR/>It's not troubling that Orenco won't give ME numbers, I haven't asked. I only know what they've presented to Los Osos in the past and how much their FL project cost homeowners.<BR/><BR/>I want to get your thoughts on one more thing:<BR/><BR/>The sewer (Tri-W in or out of town) will not help nitrates for up to 40 years, if ever. The waterboards have said that "hopefully" the sewer would help pollution. <BR/><BR/>Morro Bay has terrible drinking water, they have a sewer. They're going to spend at least $6 million on repairing the bad pipes.<BR/><BR/>So, why is the county, Blakeslee, the state, the RWQCB, and many others insisting on a sewer that is so expensive to "hopefully" help the problem? Why not take the extra time needed to research the best and most affordable project for Los Osos? When I say the best, I mean energy efficent, sustainable, environmentally friendly, etc. and affordable.<BR/><BR/>Why the rush to a bad project that may never solve the problem? i.e. Morro Bay?<BR/><BR/>Your thoughts?Conspiracy Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707953964491297635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-74074419579057868092007-07-29T12:09:00.000-07:002007-07-29T12:09:00.000-07:00Conspiracy Boy,I find it troubling that you now sa...Conspiracy Boy,<BR/><BR/>I find it troubling that you now say that Orenco won't give you any information about costs but that they will give that info only to the County. I am not so troubled that they'll deal with the County ... the more options the better. I am troubled that earlier here you were touting them as our savior and as saving us $100M dollars. Frankly, unless you are a civil engineer who knows California wastewater regulations and the specific characteristics of Los Osos which makes our problem unique <B>and</B> also happen to have solid cost estimates from Orenco, you have no idea about whether we'll save money or not. Your comment of 8:24pm yesterday is essentially an admission from you that you're hopeful and that you don't have a solid foundation for your hope.<BR/><BR/>Now ... on to areas where we tend to agree. Not only did the County permit the building of additional homes after the PZ came into existence, they had also neglected to construct a sewer earlier, when the County Health folks started telling them that there were too many septics per acre.<BR/><BR/>The County is very very culpable for the current situation. However, based on the way the cookie crumbles or ball bounces or whatever ... they're not offering to pay. I fault them. I can also fault those in Los Osos who ... in the early 1980s ... chose to pass up building the sewer then. The Solutions Group? Blame them too. How about CCLO and the recall? Also to blame.<BR/><BR/>The best way of predicting what will happen in the Great Los Osos Sewer Wars is to use Murphy's Law.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-75438181120708693612007-07-29T10:32:00.000-07:002007-07-29T10:32:00.000-07:00Crapkiller:The county didn't build 1.140 homes kno...Crapkiller:<BR/><BR/>The county didn't build 1.140 homes knowing the discharging was illegal? They didn't create density and about 25% of the homes in the PZ knowing and not following the water board's 83-13 -- that's unfounded speculation?<BR/><BR/>You're full of crap.<BR/><BR/>Oh, what happens again if the 218 fails -- it is the right to vote on taxes act. Are you saying we don't have that right? We must vote a blank check to the county to stick us with whatever they want for a project that will go over budget by at least $30 million?<BR/><BR/>What exactly are the horrible consequences? Please tell us exactly what's going to happen (since you think you know so much.)Conspiracy Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707953964491297635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-71236533152682625882007-07-29T10:13:00.000-07:002007-07-29T10:13:00.000-07:00To conspiricy boy:Yup! Heard ALL your crap before,...To conspiricy boy:<BR/><BR/>Yup! Heard ALL your crap before, all your unfounded speculation, and all your points which come to nothing but ignorance and irresponsibility.<BR/><BR/>The county will decide. A 218 vote will pass. The consequences of failure to pass a 218 vote are horrible.<BR/><BR/>Your case was rested a long time ago, as a matter of fact, it has always rested up your colon asissted and hidden by dingleberries.4crapkillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18106205459391355518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-53876200572341891292007-07-28T23:29:00.000-07:002007-07-28T23:29:00.000-07:00Crapkiller:That's all you can say about my previou...Crapkiller:<BR/><BR/>That's all you can say about my previous post? Was that your final answer (to the fraud & corruption?) -- that's all you can come up with? <BR/><BR/>I rest my case!Conspiracy Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707953964491297635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-29351918258171723452007-07-28T20:40:00.000-07:002007-07-28T20:40:00.000-07:00To conspiricy boy:Nothing wrong with gravity, it k...To conspiricy boy:<BR/><BR/>Nothing wrong with gravity, it keeps our feet on the ground!4crapkillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18106205459391355518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-10022292627091647492007-07-28T20:24:00.000-07:002007-07-28T20:24:00.000-07:00Mike/CrapKiller:Orenco will give figures to the co...Mike/CrapKiller:<BR/><BR/>Orenco will give figures to the county, not me.<BR/><BR/>I don't favor one company over another. Sorry. I do favor a system that is better than Tri-W/gravity.<BR/><BR/>The NWRI and EIR both state that step is better, for that matter, clusters are better than gravity.<BR/><BR/>Maybe if the county hadn't got us into this mess and would take SOME responsibility and showed some good faith, that might be a different story.<BR/><BR/>But they haven't. The say, "we have to go by the Blakeslee law.." when they helped write the legislation in Sacramento! They never did a septic management plan (under 83-13 law) and built over 1,140 homes, permitted them, collected taxes on them, created the density and so-called pollution, never collected infrastructure monies from the developers, etc. etc.<BR/><BR/>You say I'm wrong about all that too? Give me a break. <BR/><BR/>What about cost over-runs on your gravity? Every single Chumash bone that's found will cost us major dollars when the construction comes to a hault. You say that I'm wrong about that too?<BR/><BR/>No, all you can address is Orenco's figures! The county probably has them or will soon. Contact them, not me.<BR/><BR/>As far as blasting Pandora, she deserves it, and will get blasted more as time goes by. She was a major player in the big lie and wanted to profit from it, from driving out people who deserve to live here just as much as she does. What kind of person wants their neighbors and community fined out of existence? <BR/><BR/>The county will deliver the MWH gravity system with the State Water Board's blessings. I mean, they have insisted on it, because they want their money back for the "gamble" loan they gave out!<BR/><BR/>Get with it fool!Conspiracy Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707953964491297635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-71343818258572962342007-07-28T19:35:00.000-07:002007-07-28T19:35:00.000-07:00I'm sorry? You have been asked repeatedly for any...I'm sorry? You have been asked repeatedly for any true cost for the County and the individual property owner. We'd all like to know just what it is you are ranting about. We just can not figure out what and how much your friends at Orenco are proposing. <BR/><BR/>It's kind of like applying for a personal loan. What, how much and how long? So far, all you have done is blast away at Pandora and Tri-W, but you haven't laid out any cost or facts.<BR/><BR/>So, gather up your facts, organize them and present them without all the hyperbole of blaming everyone for every social problem on the Central Coast! If you can't do that, then you only come across as someone with a tremendous grudge and anger management problem. Try being rational and logical. Present facts to support your case, but be prepared to accept that there are other competing plans. There are always reasons for chosing one project over another and there are always folks who will get their feelings hurt, but that's life in this world. If you can't handle that, then you should take a look at why others are turning away from you. So far, you haven't convinced anyone that you know what you are talking about. If you can't do that, then no matter how great your idea, it will be passed over.<BR/><BR/>Conspiracy theories are not doing your case any good at all. You need to consider the compromises that have already been made during this long road to get this far. It's now time to let the County design and build what their engineers can put together, with or without Orenco, Pio or gravity. There is just too much we don't know or want to hear for us as a community to resolve. We need the County, we are not capable of producing a major public works project in Los Osos without the County resources!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-25465972054491402962007-07-28T18:51:00.000-07:002007-07-28T18:51:00.000-07:00Mike/CrapKiller:I love the way you refuse to addre...Mike/CrapKiller:<BR/><BR/>I love the way you refuse to address any issues that I raise.<BR/><BR/>Construction of gravity, cost over-runs, five years of destruction, Morro Bay's water pollution is worse than ours (with a sewer,) 218 after 218, no price cap on anything ever! If you wanted the best for Los Osos you would favor a better sewer -- but no, you just want everyone out.<BR/><BR/>Roads paved, not only are they not paved, they have huge holes. Where else in this state do you see anything like this?! No county money here, that's for sure. All tax dollars go to SLO. <BR/><BR/>We'll pay for raods, we'll pay for everything. Our (PZ) money is no object to the county. The more people forced out the merrier.<BR/><BR/>Now you want us to believe that only the PZ is responsible for sea water intrusion?<BR/><BR/>And you think when I say the words fraud and corruption, that's nasty?!Conspiracy Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707953964491297635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-11342563843844740452007-07-28T14:05:00.000-07:002007-07-28T14:05:00.000-07:00I happen to live in LO and was born in SLO a littl...I happen to live in LO and was born in SLO a little over 63 years ago. I also have family still living here. There are also 3 other brothers who have roots right here! So I do feel free to speak my mind when faced with paranoid obstructionists like yourself!<BR/><BR/>We find your writings and rantings disrespectful of all those who have owned homes in this area and who have worked for years to improve the quality of living in this community. <BR/><BR/>If you don't like what is going on and find you have no control of the outcome, then sell out and leave. You'll be happier and so will those of us who live here and will in all likelihood be buried in the Los Osos Cemetary near our parents and grandparents.<BR/><BR/>I don't care whether you like what I say, I certainly don't like either what and how you say the nasty things you do! You really are on a fast track for a stroke! You better not depend on me to pay for your hospital care! Go back to Orange County or where ever you came from, but do go somewhere that is as perfect as your dreams of a LO Nirvana seem to be. Los Osos is not perfect, but it will have a sewer and yes, the streets will be torn up and maybe rebuilt better than they are today!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-22140116626291682612007-07-28T12:15:00.000-07:002007-07-28T12:15:00.000-07:00Crapkiller/Mike:Everything involved in the sewer m...Crapkiller/Mike:<BR/><BR/>Everything involved in the sewer mess is a lie (including the lie that homes would be worth so much more money after the big sewer.) Don't hold your breath!<BR/><BR/>Sorry to tell you this, but my only agenda is for the best, most affordable sewer (whether it be step or clusters.)<BR/><BR/>The mega sewer you have your heart set on is wrong and stupid. You don't live here (?) so you won't have to deal with the construction mess for five years. <BR/><BR/>Besides, it's not just a (gravity) sewer at all. It's a waste of money (with liens on our homes on top of fees and charges) that have no cap and no end in sight. The darn thing could go $75 million over budget, and you can't say it won't! If you do, you are certainly mentally ill.<BR/><BR/>No, it's about my investment in my home. It's about a sustainable, affordable project that won't force half the town to move (even though that's what you want.)<BR/><BR/>Obviously, you could care less about anything that I care about, so it makes no sense to me to waste my time with you.<BR/><BR/>The lies are not in my head, they're all out there for the public to see. You never address that Morro Bay has horrible drinking water compared to ours and they have a sewer AND it's in need of repair -- millions of dollars worth.<BR/><BR/>Is this want you want for us too? You like the mercury imported lake water too, you think that's a good thing. Thank you Martha Stewart!Conspiracy Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707953964491297635noreply@blogger.com