tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post5472536763081168834..comments2023-10-28T03:14:44.519-07:00Comments on Calhouns Can(n)ons: NewsstandGreghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-39132226763105947902007-05-15T16:32:00.000-07:002007-05-15T16:32:00.000-07:00AND YOUR TOILETS. LOOK BEFORE YOU SIT.....AND YOUR TOILETS. LOOK BEFORE YOU SIT.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-58656434867322509622007-05-15T09:44:00.000-07:002007-05-15T09:44:00.000-07:00LOCK YOUR DOORS AND STAY AWAY FROM THE WINDOWS...!...LOCK YOUR DOORS AND STAY AWAY FROM THE WINDOWS...!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-60949194954923826362007-05-15T07:56:00.000-07:002007-05-15T07:56:00.000-07:00Ann,Your recent reply to the pointed question of w...Ann,<BR/><BR/>Your recent reply to the pointed question of who screwed stuff up since the recall is very slippery. Not only did you not answer the question at all, you managed to deftly suggest that the problems since the recall were due to things that happened beforehand.<BR/><BR/>Essentially you are saying that there have been no problems since the recall, only the events that were pre-ordained by the actions of the earlier board.<BR/><BR/>If that was the case, why the hell did the recall candidates run in the first place. If they would be powerless to do anything at all, why put our town thru the torture?<BR/><BR/>Has it even crossed your mind that the post-recall board could have made different choices than they did? Do you think that other choices would have any impact on what happened?Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-26779364137180096692007-05-15T07:14:00.000-07:002007-05-15T07:14:00.000-07:00Anon sez:'When can we see your history of after th...Anon sez:'When can we see your history of after the "new" board was in place? You don't want blame - so just what happened exactly? Just the WHO helped it stay wrong will do. :-)"<BR/><BR/>I've said it once, will say it again, I want to be a fly on the wall during the Breach of Contract lawsuit and the lawsuit filed against WMH. I'm willing to bet there will be some very interesting WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN & WHY's in there. <BR/><BR/>Anonyous sez:"You really should consider that many people were just fine with Tri-W - the opposition wasn't that huge. Bet Tri-W would be halfway built by now if we knew what was coming after the recall. I feel so sad for the CDO 45 and all the pain that they went through. That's one of the things that stopping the project brought us."<BR/><BR/>I have considered it. I've asked, why didn't the old CSD vote hold a 218 vote for the additional SRF loan increases, which would also have been a "referrundum" on the Tri W project? The requests to do exactly that (and the lawsuit filed to force the CSD to do that,) were in place, what? a year before the recall? Why didn't the RWQCB, the SWB and the old CSD pragmatically announce they would stop the TimeLine clock (they'd done that before, several times if memory serves) for enough time to hold that vote? The community would then have had their say and since the vote was close, for all anybody knows, the commmunity might have said, Ah, heck, what the hell, and voted to go forward with Tri W. Then everyone could go home, work could have started, and that would have been that. But that didn't happen, so that's another question that goes begging.Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362538114791652208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-14633341952255914522007-05-14T18:37:00.000-07:002007-05-14T18:37:00.000-07:00DRAW THE CURTAINS...!DRAW THE CURTAINS...!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-49006877489723188032007-05-14T15:40:00.000-07:002007-05-14T15:40:00.000-07:00"The previous CSD tried to ram a project down our ..."The previous CSD tried to ram a project down our throats that the majority of the community did not want…" anon 7:01<BR/><BR/>Ram? Maybe Lisa and Julie and their supporters felt that way, but not the property owners.<BR/><BR/>Gee anon, it was a pretty small majority - dont'cha think the lie of the cost being $100/month had SOMETHING to do with that vote which was accomplished by allowing renters to cast a ballot?<BR/><BR/>You really should consider that many people were just fine with Tri-W - the opposition wasn't that huge. Bet Tri-W would be halfway built by now if we knew what was coming after the recall. I feel so sad for the CDO 45 and all the pain that they went through. That's one of the things that stopping the project brought us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-87995019922742611372007-05-14T15:22:00.000-07:002007-05-14T15:22:00.000-07:00OK Ann,"That "history lesson" shouldn't be seen as...OK Ann,<BR/><BR/>"That "history lesson" shouldn't be seen as "blame," as Inlet wants it to be, but needs to be seen as an indication as to WHAT went wrong, WHEN it went wrong, and HOW it went wrong, WHO helped it stay wrong and the rest is train-wreck history."<BR/><BR/>When can we see your history of after the "new" board was in place? You don't want blame - so just what happened exactly? Just the WHO helped it stay wrong will do. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-65006665109904116842007-05-14T14:39:00.000-07:002007-05-14T14:39:00.000-07:00To 6:56AM,I must not have been listening. That's n...To 6:56AM,<BR/><BR/>I must not have been listening. That's not what I heard Gordon Hensley's dad say...<BR/><BR/><BR/>To SharkInlet,<BR/><BR/>We have some very greedy people in Los Osos. Pandora and Julie, ... who has done the most harm? Which one is worse? Hmmmmm .....each with a strong agenda, each out to make a lot of $$ for themselves....each cares only about #1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-81410468488519017822007-05-14T10:35:00.000-07:002007-05-14T10:35:00.000-07:00HIDE YOUR CHILDREN...HIDE YOUR CHILDREN...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-19842979975008826572007-05-14T08:01:00.000-07:002007-05-14T08:01:00.000-07:00Excuse me Ann ...How do you get off saying that I ...Excuse me Ann ...<BR/><BR/>How do you get off saying that I <B>want</B> the history lesson to be seen as blame? <BR/><BR/>First off, it is not a history lesson so much as an interpretation of historical events from the point of view of one individual who only sees fault with folks named Pandora but refuses to even look at the actions of people named Julie. It's like asking us to trust as fact the Ken Starr opinion about the Clinton presidency ... sure there are some significant facts there, but all the interpretation is very debatable at best.<BR/><BR/>Even so, Ann, the fact is that many will view it as blame ... to deny this is to deny the nature of Los Osos sewer history. Do we not tend to blame each other for the bad things that happen?<BR/><BR/>So then, Ann ... how is this "history lesson" which only discusses negative examples about the Solutions Group but refuses to consider other questionable actions (like promising a $100/month sewer and the hiring of McClendon, WilDan and BWS) one which will help us? I would submit that if Ron had some balance (or fairness, for that matter) it would be a whole lot closer to something that would benefit us.<BR/><BR/>Lastly ... I find it interesting that you're now telling people what I want them to believe when you're the one who keeps pitching a fit when you feel that my understanding of your commentaries has missed some of the nuance you claim to have. If you're going to complain about others putting words in your mouth you ought not to do it yourself.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-38719085176714925272007-05-14T07:09:00.000-07:002007-05-14T07:09:00.000-07:00Maria sez:"Hey Ann, Isn't this where you need to s...Maria sez:"Hey Ann, <BR/>Isn't this where you need to step in and "sigh"! This is classic and end of the day comical!"<BR/><BR/>Sigh. SIGH. Sad. Some wit once said that we never gt out of high school. Some of the comments seem to indicate grammar school. <BR/><BR/>Will bounce over to Ron's latest posting. If I may be so bold, the key to Ron's history lessons that apparently so many keep overlooking is this: Government action on a huge infrastructure project like a community sewer is like laying track -- each step is linked tighly to the previous step. Unlike building a dirt path scraped out with a road grader that can be swooped round obstacles relatively easy as they pop up, track is linked and can only bend in tiny increments. If you make a mistake with your first rail, you're committed. <BR/><BR/> In addition, governments and oversight agencies are all geared to run one way -- like a train with no reverse. Make one mistake early on and it soon becomes impossible -- without a wreck -- to change directions. Ron's history lesson shows that there were several key points along this path where the original "lie," if you want to call it that, COULD have been undone and the direction changed. But that didn't happen due to the failure of the oversight regulators and county newspaper of record as media watchdog, who didn't bother to do their jobs (RWQCB, County Planning, BOS, Coastal Commission, Tribune), and the original CSD that failed at several points to take the steps necessary to change that track. Instead, the original CSD ignored the red flags and the regulators took the easy way out and pushed the train down the faulty track, with a shrug and a "Not my problem, if the elected officials of Los Osos want this sewer plant and its unsecured loan in the middle of their town, far be it from me to interfere." <BR/><BR/>That "history lesson" shouldn't be seen as "blame," as Inlet wants it to be, but needs to be seen as an indication as to WHAT went wrong, WHEN it went wrong, and HOW it went wrong, WHO helped it stay wrong and the rest is train-wreck history.<BR/><BR/>And, lest history repeat itself, it's important that the public NOW get involved and pay attention to those key points so they ensure the track is heading in the way they want it to head -- no bait and switchy -- which means not falling asleep at the wheel in hopes that The Other Guy will take care of matters. This time everyone needs to be in the loop.Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362538114791652208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-3963963812025007132007-05-14T07:01:00.000-07:002007-05-14T07:01:00.000-07:00There is little comparison between the current and...There is little comparison between the current and previous CSDs. The previous CSD tried to ram a project down our throats that the majority of the community did not want, and when threatened with recall, continued to attempt to make the costs of stopping the project insurmountable. The current CSD tried to listen to the people’s wishes and find a way to change the project. With the power Briggs and Pandora (government, marketing, and the press) working against them, it was a huge task. I believe they underestimated the enormous influence that Pandora and Briggs. These two were able to effectively portray all people in Los Osos as Anti-Sewer. I state this as fact because during this period I ran into quite a few people water employees in other areas of California who stated this “fact” when the learned where I lived. The new CSD did not have a chance at an easy switch. They continued to try, not believing that this could happen in our country. The influence of Bush…….doubt the it could have happened this way in another time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-91496250592311411312007-05-14T06:56:00.000-07:002007-05-14T06:56:00.000-07:0010:47 PM, May 13, 2007 Anonymous said... "I think ...10:47 PM, May 13, 2007 Anonymous said... <BR/><BR/>"I think the TW's position on the letter from the county to the Regional water board was clear enough...."<BR/><BR/>If you had really listened, you would have realized they were saying that some timeline of benchmarks should be required. This is not said lightly as LO has a history of evading taking responsibility for halting the sewage being leeched daily into the soil and aquifiers. The County by not making a better effort back 20 to 30 years ago and continueing to issue building permits even though they knew (or strongly suspected) the density of septic tanks was the major contributor of nitrate in the drinking water, the people of Los Osos for trying to build an acceptible sewer and not being able to complete it, and the people of LO for halting the designed sewer. Los Osos has been it's own worst enemy! If no timely goals are set with some enforceable consequence, then given the history, another group of folks will rise up and halt everything once more.<BR/><BR/>If anything, the County should have made the letter stronger with a committment to an honest timeline. TW has not made a statement regarding the BOS letter. Joyce and Mr Hensley spoke their on their own, but so did quite a few others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-82362208924417188452007-05-13T23:05:00.000-07:002007-05-13T23:05:00.000-07:00Well Mike, now that you rephrase it that way (that...Well Mike, now that you rephrase it that way (that people who <I>"follow blindly that kind of 'jedi mind control' have been a problem"</I>) it sounds much more reasonable. <BR/><BR/>The problem is that all of Ron's examples are about how Pandora is bad and none of them have anything to do with those who have mindlessly followed the new group. Sure, $100/month sounds good but Ron doesn't seem to consider that the sort of lie that has damaged our community. After all, he's had over a year and a half to research that claim and write critical articles about those who would lie to the voters just to get elected.<BR/><BR/>The problem with Ron isn't so much that Ron believes that the Solutions Group was wrong or that they misled us ... the problem is that by his refusal to look into the wild-assed claims of the other side, he seems to be more of an apologist for whatever the post-recall board did than anything else. On any issue since 2005 that doesn't directly involve Pandora, Ron's comments are no better than a red herring, designed to distract our community from what really matters.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-31291247815007457542007-05-13T23:00:00.000-07:002007-05-13T23:00:00.000-07:00Maria,When I asked you to leave the Dark Side for ...Maria,<BR/><BR/>When I asked you to leave the Dark Side for the Light, I was not referring to "Star Wars." I was referring to the darkness of ignorance and the light of true understanding. I was talking about the darkness of falseness and the light of the infallible truth. You can be a "Star" if you quit the "War" brought on by the misinformation you have embraced as the truth. You have so much to learn, and you have already learned so much you must un-learn to be open enough to even see the truth if it knocked at your door. Renounce Richard, Gordon, Joyce, and all those who have worked so hard to destroy Los Osos. Then and only then will you ever find your way home.<BR/><BR/>Mother SuperiorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-73333777445793479012007-05-13T22:47:00.000-07:002007-05-13T22:47:00.000-07:00I think the TW's position on the letter from the c...I think the TW's position on the letter from the county to the Regional water board was clear enough by what Joyce Albright and Gordon Hensley's dad said at the BOS meeting. They didn't like the letter and didn't want it sent. That's their position, Maria Kelley. TW likes the terror just like it's been for the last year or so. <BR/><BR/>And, Maria, why did you leave the regional water board hearing to attend closed CSD session? Was that more important than you speaking at the hearing?<BR/><BR/>And by the way, Maria, you should look at some of these CSD and TAC meetings, when you're on camera and don't know it. You're seen cackling with Lynette and shouting at Al Barrow? It doesn't look like you're the sensible person you want to appear to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-89884992279021102252007-05-13T22:11:00.000-07:002007-05-13T22:11:00.000-07:00Sharkey! I am focused on moving foreword, But I lo...Sharkey! I am focused on moving foreword, But I loved Ron's blog,<BR/> And I don't think that was Jon, kinda creepy if you ask me.<BR/> <BR/> I read everything and make up my own mind, I kind of think that is the lesson of Ron's blog, people that follow blindly that kind of "jedi mind control" have been a problem, I also believe that the failure of our "free press" has contributed greatly.<BR/> <BR/> I saw Jon in the hardware store recently, he looked good, we talked fishing in Panama! I do miss him here, I wish he would come back, but each to their own.Mike Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883036796650379771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-73517599556809459952007-05-13T21:52:00.000-07:002007-05-13T21:52:00.000-07:00Hey Jon,How are you doing?Now the reason for my po...Hey Jon,<BR/><BR/>How are you doing?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Now the reason for my posting ...<BR/><BR/>Ron's recent blog entry is more oriented toward blaming someone for what's happened than toward helping us move forward to a solution. If you want to get involved in another round of the blame game, go read his opinion piece. I'll leave you with a question to think about while you read his screed ... even if Pandora to blame for every foul up before 2004, does it mean that Julie and Lisa's plan on moving the sewer, no "matter what it costs" is a good idea? I would argue that one shouldn't compound a mistake by an even bigger mistake, but Ron doesn't really grant me the premise that the recall and it's impact ... the bankruptcy ... was a mistake.<BR/><BR/>No matter ... if you're focused on moving forward, don't read Ron's piece ... it doesn't help us.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-33879586677432288062007-05-13T21:23:00.000-07:002007-05-13T21:23:00.000-07:00Maria, I must warn you, Mr. green is a master of ...Maria, <BR/> I must warn you, Mr. green is a master of logic.<BR/> answer carefully.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-5894041874414636712007-05-13T21:07:00.000-07:002007-05-13T21:07:00.000-07:00Below is what "Together" wrote on the Tribune's bl...Below is what "Together" wrote on the Tribune's blog site ----- apparently the Tri-W people have yet again infiltrated the "affordable/sustainable side!"<BR/><BR/> ..."Have a lot of new energy and also have a new mole that burrowing and passing on tidbits. Some people never learn. You should hear what they intend to do next...."<BR/><BR/>I wish "Together" would share her information on this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-38231678670161543232007-05-13T20:45:00.000-07:002007-05-13T20:45:00.000-07:00Maria, Why the anon headliner? use your blogger ac...Maria, Why the anon headliner? use your blogger account.<BR/>"Don't know" would have been fine.<BR/> As far as "benchmarks of progress"<BR/> What are they?Mike Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883036796650379771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-2791616622314563042007-05-13T20:42:00.000-07:002007-05-13T20:42:00.000-07:00Ok then anon 8:34, I expect you to put your money...Ok then anon 8:34, I expect you to put your money where your mouth is, rent out the SB center, and state exactly what the technology, plan, finances, management, IN DETAIL are going to be for your 'so-called plan'. <BR/><BR/>Otherwise, show up on Tuesday next week and see a real PLAN in action, not fluff. <BR/><BR/>Won't hold my breath - Next!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-79421391963117755942007-05-13T20:34:00.001-07:002007-05-13T20:34:00.001-07:00Hi Mike Green,I forgot to respond to your post ab...Hi Mike Green,<BR/>I forgot to respond to your post about the position of TW. I'm not entirely clear on that and only heard Joyce Albright's statement at BOS and then at the CSD meeting after the RWQCB hearings. I don't know of any exact "position" on the topic. I'm really not on the inside loop and just follow up with a phone call or see it in the paper with everyone else. I do get the "updates" that TW puts out and I check the CCLO and PZLDF websites as well to see what other community members are thinking. It's good to have them all online because you get a broader snapshot of the community.<BR/><BR/>I support the county's efforts and thought that the letter was well written and nicely laid out. My question, along with the RWCQB, is ongoing clarification of time lines or "benchmarks" of progress of the process. <BR/><BR/>Sorry, but that's my short answer!<BR/>Sincerely,<BR/>Maria M. KellyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-19081782534638589872007-05-13T20:34:00.000-07:002007-05-13T20:34:00.000-07:00To 8:29,You've got everything backwards! Amateur h...To 8:29,<BR/><BR/>You've got everything backwards! Amateur hour is right here and now. If the county or the RWQCB doesn't want to look at the technology of now and the future, it's amateur hour! ... plain & simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-51981583683725602842007-05-13T20:29:00.000-07:002007-05-13T20:29:00.000-07:00To all the nay sayers: rather than nit-pick the Co...To all the nay sayers: rather than nit-pick the County ad nauseum, propose a plan. A real plan, not another paper-napkin plan. There have been enough of those.<BR/><BR/>How will the plan be paid for? Who will manage the plan? Have you surveyed the property owners to see if they want yet another 'plan'. Enough is enough, we don't need more stinkin' plans based on nothing but innuendo and allusions or delusions. If you got a plan, put your money where your mouth is and rent out he SB center, and show it, lay it all out - otherwise it is just No Sewer crap, nothing more nothing less. <BR/><BR/>Amateur hour is over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com