tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post6035101477259282943..comments2023-10-28T03:14:44.519-07:00Comments on Calhouns Can(n)ons: NewsstandGreghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comBlogger167125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-28175758477825911432009-03-20T21:55:00.000-07:002009-03-20T21:55:00.000-07:00Real,You're not very realistic at all.You say that...Real,<BR/><BR/>You're not very realistic at all.<BR/><BR/>You say that people obstructed a sewer when we could have had it practically for free.<BR/><BR/>Now, that's a stretch. <BR/><BR/>It was the County that didn't do it, please stop blaming anyone else.<BR/><BR/>Yes, we can move ahead and get things done, but it has to be done right.<BR/><BR/>If a plant won't correct any pollution problems for 30 years or so, what's you hurry???<BR/><BR/>Do it right, real, not wrong.GetRealOsoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11936638912249439168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-60318851816403784862009-03-20T08:38:00.000-07:002009-03-20T08:38:00.000-07:00That it's ancient history, that people like you ob...That it's ancient history, that people like you obstructed the sewer when we could have had it practically for free, and that it's time to move on and get things done.<BR/><BR/>We need to move ahead get it done before it gets anymore expensive.Realistic1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09260966115098379875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-71248496612659934462009-03-20T08:36:00.000-07:002009-03-20T08:36:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Realistic1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09260966115098379875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-61766031267036022732009-03-19T18:49:00.000-07:002009-03-19T18:49:00.000-07:00Real,I feel like I'm talking to Maria.Yep, the Cou...Real,<BR/><BR/>I feel like I'm talking to Maria.<BR/><BR/>Yep, the County wants our homes, our water and our tax dollars.<BR/><BR/>They give nothing. No roads, nothing.<BR/><BR/>County employees like David Edge and the tax collector buy up lots in Cayucos for nothing.<BR/><BR/>You say, "...sewer, people should put their considerable energy into raising more money to aid the low income property owners...."<BR/><BR/>Yeah, right, Real. You want the people to raise money to aid. <BR/><BR/>We all need Aid. The County should have had the state and federal pay their share of benefit for the wastewater project! That would have been "aid" -- what do you have to say about that?!GetRealOsoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11936638912249439168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-39752359688073572222009-03-19T11:09:00.000-07:002009-03-19T11:09:00.000-07:00I also choose to believe that the County will atte...I also choose to believe that the County will attempt to assist those who can't afford to hook up - I choose not to view the County as vultures circling low income property owners, waiting to pick their bones.Realistic1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09260966115098379875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-30894032836277843182009-03-19T10:53:00.000-07:002009-03-19T10:53:00.000-07:00Don't deflect, GRLO.You said the County "wants" th...Don't deflect, GRLO.<BR/><BR/>You said the County "wants" the senior's homes. That's what you wrote, and that's what you meant.<BR/><BR/>As for what happens if people don't have the cash to hook up - there is a fund established through the San Luis Obispo Community Foundation (I think it's called the LO Low Income assistance fund, or something close to that) that has quite a bit of money in it for just that purpose.<BR/><BR/>Instead of constantly trying to sabotage the effort to build a sewer, people should put their considerable energy into raising more money to aid the low income property owners.Realistic1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09260966115098379875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-26323022764660943282009-03-19T09:25:00.000-07:002009-03-19T09:25:00.000-07:00Real,The Real Estate "food chain" will begin when ...Real,<BR/><BR/>The Real Estate "food chain" will begin when the seniors (and everyone else) can't afford the sewer.<BR/><BR/>Seniors shouldn't have to give up 1/4 (or more) of their income for a sewer.<BR/><BR/>It will be stressful for everyone. Year after year. It's not like buying a car and paying it off in five years. <BR/><BR/>The cost will rise every year. So will the stress.<BR/><BR/>Hey, why don't you tell us all what happens if someone doesn't have the cash up front for the hook up/lateral costs?<BR/><BR/>Does the County want the homes, sure they do, they'll take them.<BR/><BR/>Remember how David Edge and County Tax assessor got all those lots up north? And what, for about $100 a piece? That was like insider trading to me...GetRealOsoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11936638912249439168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-23952001136990072922009-03-18T23:03:00.000-07:002009-03-18T23:03:00.000-07:00Ann? PZ definition? more of a engineering/politica...Ann? PZ definition? more of a engineering/political convenience. Others may say Social/engineering.<BR/>but no longer I. <BR/>Waterboard Science?<BR/>Military Inteligence?<BR/>Oxymoronic Concordance?<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately I've simply seen too much <BR>non-science coming from "environ-mental-lists"<BR/><BR/>The Kitts study, paid for by Waterboard fines? ya think they would have embraced it.<BR/><BR/>Lynette- Great article on your link, Iv’e copied it below with inserted comments and highlights.<BR/>However...<BR/>The Dr. Kitts Study showed with 5000 overall(?) samples that the Los Osos Bacterial Coliform contribution to the Bay is miniscule (as in <B>LESS than 1/10 of one percent</B>).<BR/>The two seeps into the Bay; One at Baywood Pier and another about 50 yards South are the predominant sources contributing bacterial pollution in the Bay. I have photographs of extreamly violent flows coming out of the south one (spraying water five feet high). Several minutes later when the flow ended, there was a little fine flat surface foam (more then biofilm, less than suds) that dissipated another minute later, indicating that there was very little soap (dishwater or laundry detergent) present. Contrast that with foam several feet high, not dissipating in a photograph that Dan Berman TAC Member, Dir. MB NATIONAL Estuary program showed under the pilings under the MB restaurant row on the wharf. If the Baywood Actual storm drain "system" shows very little graywater effects, after collecting from our most flooded areas, how much Nitrates are in it? - Not a hecka lot. And no, the nitrates are not ALL ending up in our ground water (stable values).<BR/>Save the Bay from our Nitrates? <BR/><B>SAVE THE BAY FROM THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS</B> I say<BR/>I no longer refer to my self as an Environmentalist when in Los Osos, The entry criteria was lowered somewhere around '07. (You have to say something bad about developers and not disagree with the Envirobabble spouted by similarly qualified "Environmentalists" and you are "In") <BR/>In Morro Bay I am proud to refer to myself as an Environmentalist, and am referred by some activists there as the Scientist, but more on that later.<BR/><B>The article on Lynettes link;</B><BR/> <I>PALO ALTO – California Sea Grant researchers have strong evidence that septic tanks in Northern California are leaking nitrogen and phosphate into coastal waters that can trigger algal blooms.<BR/>Reporting in the journal Limnology and Oceanography, they report finding elevated levels of these “nutrients” in the surf zone during periods of high groundwater flows to the beach.<BR/>Following one of these freshwater pulses, they observed a four-day elevation in chlorophyll-a levels – a proxy for phytoplankton concentrations. Though it is extremely difficult to attribute any single algal bloom to the presence of higher than normal nutrient levels, the general link between nutrification and algal blooms is widely recognized for both marine and freshwater ecosystems.<BR/>“Our project is one of the first in California to show definitively that septic tanks can affect coastal water quality through submarine groundwater discharge,” says Alexandria Boehm, a professor in the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering at Stanford University.<BR/>Schematic of septic system and how waste enters groundwater. Credit: Michigan State University Extension<BR/>Most research on septic systems has focused on their effects on terrestrial ecosystems, Boehm explains. The value of this project is that it shows they can also impact marine ecosystems via polluted groundwater discharging directly to the ocean.<BR/>In theory, the nutrient spikes detected in Northern California could have come from <B>polluted creeks or runoff</B>. This, however, is not what scientists believe is happening because their fieldwork was conducted in summertime when, they say, groundwater is the only source of freshwater to the coast.<BR/>Fertilizers spread on lawns and crops could also potentially be sources of the nutrients they detected. Again, however, scientists rule out this possibility because of the concomitantly <B>high levels of human fecal indicator bacteria detected in groundwater samples collected between the septic systems and shoreline</B>.</I><BR/><B>NOW READ THIS</B><BR/><I>Interestingly, bacteria counts in beach water samples did not rise and fall with changes in groundwater fluxes, suggesting <B>the beach aquifer removes pathogens</B>, says Stanford doctoral student, Nicholas de Sieyes, the lead author of the journal article. “Some of our current research is focusing on this point.”</I><BR/>[The beach aquifer? actually its the Sands. Stinson Beach has sands only on the beach. That's what filters out the bacteria. The SEPTIC TANKS AND LEECHFIELDS ARE MORE THEN LIKELY LOCATED ON CLAY SOILS. IN LOS OSOS WE HAVE SANDS EVEN EAST PAST SOUTH BAY BLVD. yep<BR/>Baywood Fines (Sands) Extend East Past the PROHIBITION ZONE boundary]<BR/><I>From a scientific perspective, the researchers were not surprised to find a link between septic systems and beach water quality. “It is what we expected,” Boehm says.<BR/>The unanticipated discovery was the way in which tidal cycles modulate freshwater fluxes to the coast. Indeed, their prediction was that fresh groundwater flows would peak during spring tides, when the tidal forces of the Sun and Moon reinforce each other. Instead, the greatest pulses of exiting groundwater occurred during neap tides, when weak tidal forcing results in minimal differences between high and low tides.<BR/>In particular, they measured a fresh groundwater discharge rate of 1.2 to 4.7 liters per minute per meter during neap tides, compared with .1 to .5 liters per minute per meter during spring tides. During neap tides, nitrogen levels rose 35 percent, phosphate levels 27 percent and silicate levels 14 percent, as compared with spring tide measurements.<BR/>Their technical explanation for the pattern is outlined in detail in their peer-reviewed work. The gist of it is that ocean water fills the beach aquifer during high spring tides, creating a sort of hydraulic mound in front of fresh groundwater. During low tides, all of this saltwater must drain back to sea before fresh groundwater can begin to exit. During neap tides, the absence of a formidable hydraulic mound results in a greater release of fresh groundwater to the beach during low tide, hence their results.<BR/>All of the fieldwork, which will continue into the summer of 2009, was conducted at <B>Stinson Beach</B> in Marin County because of the community’s interest in protecting its beach water quality.<BR/>“We don’t think our findings are unique to Stinson Beach,” de Sieyes says, noting that septic systems are common along coastal counties north of San Francisco, as well as in more densely populated areas such as <B>Morro Bay</B>, Malibu, Rincon and <B>Los Osos</B>. </I><BR><B> [TA-DA... Life in Los Osos is a Beech, and then you get a CDO]</B> <I><BR/>In recognition of the potential environmental implications for beach, ocean and river ecosystems, the California legislature has directed the State Water Resources Control Board to establish regulations on septic systems. California and Michigan are the nation’s only two states without statewide regulations on septic systems.<BR/>Critics of the proposed changes cite a lack of data showing septic systems contribute to actual water-quality problems. “I think it’s really important for people to know that we’ve quantified the impact of septic systems on the coastal ocean at <B>one location</B>, that there were documentable effects on groundwater and coastal water quality and that, in general, on-site wastewater treatment is indeed an important environmental concern and may require additional regulatory attention,” de Sieyes wrote in an email exchange.</I>Alon Perlmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00155776897189144501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-16534338618217464912009-03-18T23:02:00.000-07:002009-03-18T23:02:00.000-07:00AMEN!AMEN!Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-27342436405611498742009-03-18T22:34:00.000-07:002009-03-18T22:34:00.000-07:00WSM-Why on earth would you be "flattered" that I s...WSM-<BR/>Why on earth would you be "flattered" that I spent time looking up references for a friend? It has nothing to do with you. Do you ever get it? I guess not; you are still trotting out the old, useless,debunked data. Yawn.<BR/>GRLO-<BR/>The banks, or county agency or whomever do not want our houses. What on earth would they do with them, beside selling them for a loss. The real money is in keeping people in their homes, with money to spend.alabamasuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07135144493256899864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-22827443342032460752009-03-18T22:30:00.000-07:002009-03-18T22:30:00.000-07:00If anyone is trying to sell you something and reco...If anyone is trying to sell you something and recommending you use a reverse mortgage to pay for it, that’s generally a good sign that you don’t need it and shouldn’t be buying it.<BR/><BR/>2) Can you afford a reverse mortgage? These loans are very expensive, and the amount you owe grows larger every month. The younger you are when you take out a reverse mortgage, the more the compound interest will grow, and the more you will owe. On the other hand, due to high up-front costs, these loans can be especially costly if you sell and move just a few years after taking one out.Watershed Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06717188673263291686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-11381554231120071122009-03-18T22:27:00.000-07:002009-03-18T22:27:00.000-07:005 Questions To Ask Before Considering a Reverse Mo...<A HREF="http://www.aarp.org/money/revmort/5_questions_to_ask_before_considering_a_reverse_mo.html" REL="nofollow">5 Questions To Ask Before Considering a Reverse Mortgage</A>Watershed Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06717188673263291686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-62164947642347274702009-03-18T11:18:00.000-07:002009-03-18T11:18:00.000-07:00GRLO,You're not saying the County will take the se...GRLO,<BR/><BR/>You're not saying the County will take the senior's homes?<BR/><BR/>Really?<BR/><BR/>Below is a direct quote from a previous thread...<BR/><BR/>"The County, OBVIOUSLY, wants the seniors' homes. These homes are probably paid off, and when they can't pay the big lump sum every year, a lien will go on their homes and will be taken by the County within three to five years!"<BR/><BR/>The County "wants" the senior's homes...that's what you said.<BR/><BR/>More fear mongering, your favorite past time.Realistic1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09260966115098379875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-12697129364908428972009-03-18T11:16:00.000-07:002009-03-18T11:16:00.000-07:00Thank you Ann for speaking the truth about reverse...Thank you Ann for speaking the truth about reverse mortgages. I think a lot of people will benefit from the info you provide when you do write that column. You are absolutely correct.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-60872037868398960592009-03-18T08:43:00.000-07:002009-03-18T08:43:00.000-07:00Inlet sez:"I would suggest, however, that jus...Inlet sez:"I would suggest, however, that just like there may be little science to justify the PZ definition, there is perhaps even less which shows those outside the PZ as the source of pollution in our aquifer. Even trying to force those outside the PZ to join in will be very problematic because of the past definition having held up in court. The inflation in construction costs during any legal proceedings to get Cabrillo in would more than wipe out any benefit of having them included."<BR/><BR/>Be very careful what you wish for . . . . the Stealth Basin Onsite Update being rushed through up in Sac. will mean that all you outside the PZ will be in Roger Briggs gunsights. Say your prayers as some of the cheapest onsite systems delivering 7 mgl etc. run, what? $40,000? People outside the PZ may rue the day they bought a house outside the PZ. That is, IF the RWQCB will be concerned without fear or favor with clean water. Bwa-hahahahah. <BR/><BR/>Get real sez:"I'm not saying that the County will only take the seniors homes. But they are the ones who will be hurt the most since their homes are paid for and they won't be able to come up with a few extra thousand dollars a year. "<BR/><BR/>At some time, when the hard numbers get finalized, I'm going to do a column on reverse mortgages. Seniors on fixed incomes with high equity seriously need to go ask about these loans. They've changed a good deal from the "bad old days," have quite a bit of flexibility, require a neutral evaluation (a vetting before any documents are signed to keep people safe from predatory sellers) and before some of you scream, ask yourself this: Will your house appreciate, say, more than 4-5k$ A YEAR? Once this slump is over, and it will be over, house prices and appreciation in this green-belt-locked, water-limited "gold coast" will continue to stay strong. If it's a choice between cost of selling, moving costs, increase taxes in a new home etc. a reverse mortgage can be waaaaayyyy cheaper and because of the home values here, you'll still come out ahead. I would encourage you to seriously check this out. As well as the financial help offered by the state for low-incomes seniors & etc.Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701649330085709021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-2771171071210704952009-03-18T07:40:00.000-07:002009-03-18T07:40:00.000-07:00Vacuum and grinder pump "collection" appear to not...Vacuum and grinder pump "collection" appear to not have been studied either.Watershed Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06717188673263291686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-86914608553823891482009-03-18T06:08:00.000-07:002009-03-18T06:08:00.000-07:00abs: I'm happy to see you have been driven to find...abs: I'm happy to see you have been driven to find Mr. Dean (I forgot his last name) and I am flattered that you would make time to review "the tape" in an effort to help Lynette Tornazky defend her honor and hope it works. It seems that you do not want to accept the correspondence from the company itself as proof that Mr. Dean (I forgot his last name) is not a representative which is proof that you and some others are engaged in something other than wastewater collection and treatment.<BR/><BR/>It's a shame you don't spend some time on something that would actually help your situation, given that, a welded energy intensive gravity pipe hooked up to a energy intensive treatment design that must be built to be "upgradeable to tertiary" at some later more expensive date is silly given tertiary technology that uses half the energy of Oxidation Ditch, nearly 1/3 the energy of Bio-Loc(tm) and is less expensive to build, operate and maintain, is available and appears to not have been studied.Watershed Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06717188673263291686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-86860324368162925312009-03-17T23:26:00.000-07:002009-03-17T23:26:00.000-07:00WOW! Thanks Alabamasue! I have posted this before,...WOW! Thanks Alabamasue! <BR/><BR/>I have posted this before, but I am sewertoons@gmail.com AKA Lynette Tornatzky. Got home late - St. Patrick's Day at the Merrymaker, so I maY HAVE TO GET SOME DINNER AND CRASH BEFORE I CHECK MY E'S! Oops - caps lock on - sorry!Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-59749472874192190202009-03-17T21:42:00.001-07:002009-03-17T21:42:00.001-07:00Hey Sewertoons - I sam looking at past DVDs and ma...Hey Sewertoons - <BR/>I sam looking at past DVDs and may be able to give you Dean's last name. I will send you an email confirming what I have found, and you can decide whether to share it with wsm, or not. This has apparently sent him into a complete hissy fit. Good job, girl!alabamasuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07135144493256899864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-71442413104695975982009-03-17T21:42:00.000-07:002009-03-17T21:42:00.000-07:00Mark,Not only has the RWQCB not looked at the leak...Mark,<BR/><BR/>Not only has the RWQCB not looked at the leaking pipes in Morro Bay, they also ignored the Golf Course in Morro Bay (if anyone is polluting the Bay it's them -- big time).<BR/><BR/>It's all about Montgomery/Watson/Harza. That's it. End of story. And the relationship between the State Water Board and M/W/H. Not only does the State tell us what kind of system for Los Osos, they try to tell us where to put it and who puts it in!<BR/><BR/>Bad. Bad. Bad.GetRealOsoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11936638912249439168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-50626899959168604522009-03-17T21:38:00.000-07:002009-03-17T21:38:00.000-07:00To: SharkI'm only saying that the County didn't do...To: Shark<BR/><BR/>I'm only saying that the County didn't do a proper/legal 218. That it is a general benefit. The PZ got no special benefit. We all know that the special benefit required a 2/3's vote and the County KNEW that they couldn't pull that one off. You can talk all you want about the water companies charging later -- That's not the point (and you know it) -- The County did the 218 illegally.<BR/><BR/><BR/>To: Lynette<BR/><BR/>A couple developers have told me that they need a big gravity system to build. I don't understand why they feel they couldn't with Step/Ponds or vacuum. But....<BR/><BR/>And no, Lynette, what's so sad is that the County had to trick, lie, go around the law, etc. to push for a project to suit the developers. And what's sad is that you all will be busted in time.<BR/><BR/>I'll keep repeating myself (just like you and Steve Rein do) because people have to know the truth -- unlike the bullshit you and Steve put out there to defend the County and the over-priced mega sewer that is totally unnecessary for a town this size. This is what your assignment was -- to monitor the blogs and promote M/W/H's project. My assignment is to tell the truth. People read this blog, the County reads this blog. Outsiders read this blog.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and do you care to address the horse stables off Highland. They're not in the PZ. They don't pollute either?!?<BR/><BR/>I do realize that Tri-W wouldn't promote the build out that out-of-town would. Stop trying to make me sound stupid, you know I'm not. Actually, I'd prefer Tri-W over out-of-town with the way the County is doing it. I always wanted ponds out of town with Step or Vacuum -- Not a super-sized traditional plant to collect septage from the entire County for developers!! <BR/><BR/>Don't try to blame me for out-of-town. Thank Jeff and Julie!! It was all a trick from Julie Tacker (sorry Ron)...<BR/><BR/><BR/>To: Real<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that the County will only take the seniors homes. But they are the ones who will be hurt the most since their homes are paid for and they won't be able to come up with a few extra thousand dollars a year. The tax collector can sell their homes within three to five years with the liens on their homes. Many other homeowners will be hit the same way, but it's the seniors who already paid off the house.<BR/><BR/>The County is dirty rotten to not pick the most affordable solution. Rotten!GetRealOsoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11936638912249439168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-38008644230369899962009-03-17T18:25:00.000-07:002009-03-17T18:25:00.000-07:00Too bad the pollution from Morro Bay's leaky sewer...Too bad the pollution from Morro Bay's leaky sewer isn't being "looked for"...<BR/><BR/>Maybe Mr. Dean (I forgot his last name) knows something like he did about ECOfluid.Watershed Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06717188673263291686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-26667929830182644472009-03-17T17:02:00.000-07:002009-03-17T17:02:00.000-07:00Here is a little nugget a pal sent today: (This is...Here is a little nugget a pal sent today: (This is especially for you GRO)<BR/><BR/>(Not from the local surfrider which is interesting)<BR/>http://surfrider.org/Factoids_Detail.aspx?FT_Id=20090316<BR/><BR/>AND<BR/><BR/>http://www-csgc.ucsd.edu/NEWSROOM/NEWSRELEASES/2009/CoastalWaterQuality.html<BR/><BR/>Los Osos got a teeny mention.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-15621311512913963362009-03-17T16:09:00.000-07:002009-03-17T16:09:00.000-07:00Hi Realistic1!You are right. Tri-W - (cheaper than...Hi Realistic1!<BR/><BR/>You are right. Tri-W - (cheaper than what we'll get now), controlled growth. A point that seemed to escape the "out-of-town" folks, although some were "no-sewers" in "out-of-town" clothing.<BR/><BR/>Not much point in explaining to GRO, as this person doesn't seem to grasp the "what is" of this situation. Doesn't want to let go of the angst, in fact seems to enjoy repeating it. Like we could cause a change in law from this blog! Sad, really.<BR/><BR/>On the out-of-town location, there is other water (not from our aquifers) out there to be had for growth, (and an expandable sewer pretty soon) so while LO may not grow much due to lack of water, the valley can have mini-ranchettes, ag clusters, etc. instead of crops. All thanks to the "put-it-out-of-towners." <BR/><BR/>I've heard there were only 500 lots left unbuilt (don't know it that includes those 2 grandfathered subdivisions tho). The CSD, if not bankrupt, could buy up those lots like the Cambria CSD did with theirs, taking them out of play for water needs, controlling even the in town growth.<BR/><BR/>Oh well…Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-68674494199758645292009-03-17T16:02:00.000-07:002009-03-17T16:02:00.000-07:00Mark writes that a leaky gravity system will assur...Mark writes that a leaky gravity system will assure that we will never get clean water.<BR/><BR/>Let's think about this a bit and do some calculations. If exactly 2% of the sewage leaks out of a gravity collection system, each year of delay before a leak-free system is installed will be the equivalent of 50 years of leaky gravity in terms of the total nastiness put into our ground. If voting for the recall results in a 5 year delay in a system getting online it is the equivalent of 250 years of leakage from a "leaky" system.<BR/><BR/>To me it sounds like arguing for urgency in getting something online would do far more for the environment than arguing for perfection if that perfection results in delay.<BR/><BR/>Note: Mark might now argue that 250 years isn't forever. Fine. Probably his collection system and the gravity system would both have needed repairs multiple times and maybe both would have needed replacement. Even if my assumed 2% for the purpose of these calculations is way wrong, the point is still clear ... sooner as opposed to later is the key to cleaning up the environment. If the County site and technology is really gonna be quicker to get online than TriW, it's a better choice. If TriW could be done sooner, it is better. If a Charles Nelson Ripley system would be soonest, that's the best choice.<BR/><BR/>What will the RWQCB, State of California, CCC, USEPA, USFWS and Army Corps permit? Permittable systems are the only ones which should be considered. If Mark has evidence that his device has been approved of within the State of California for the purpose of denitrification, I'll consider that evidence in his favor. If not, it's not even a possibility just like the fancy ponding system of the Solutions Group was not approved of.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.com