tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post8089163047414220316..comments2023-10-28T03:14:44.519-07:00Comments on Calhouns Can(n)ons: Finally, THE Question. Still waiting for the AnswerNewsstandGreghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-91552721380663396802010-04-11T17:23:42.500-07:002010-04-11T17:23:42.500-07:00The county staff responded diligently Friday,. Kud...The county staff responded diligently Friday,. Kudos to County Clerk-Recorder for her hard work. coming close to completing the mission at the very end of business day, Friday April,9th,'10<br />County Staff did work past 5:30 PM on the scanning portion. The Document is in Three parts and can reached via the link below. As predicted elsewhere the Scanned documents are not searchable or “Cut and Paste-able”.<br />Part 1 Currently was halted at 533 Pages Starting with a blank page and Jan 27 letter to Jonna Engel of CCC and ending in wetland delineation site 7 figure 5 (This link was not provided to the general public as the County may need to make additional changes or additions, or even rescan that portion to Part I, before Official release expected by end of day Monday). There is now also a full copy at The CSD Office on 9th street which will benefit those residents who are not computer savvy, or have difficulty reading from a screen. All three documents will be here eventually (Currently parts 2 and 3)<br /><a href="http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/PW/LOWWP" rel="nofollow">http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/PW/LOWWP</a>Alon Perlmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00155776897189144501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-10903332722026067262010-04-10T15:58:27.659-07:002010-04-10T15:58:27.659-07:00Some of the property owners fought this sewer long...Some of the property owners fought this sewer long and hard which is why we are where we are today.<br /><br />Those of us who bought recently got our discount by buying here. In 2005 when we bought, it was here or Morro Bay (Morro Bay has a sewer). Here you got the bigger house, the bigger property - but knew someday you would pay for the sewer.<br /><br />Why does it have to be the "fault" of the property owner? How about "that's life?" Other people owned lots, they got permits to develop them. The town got to be too big to be on septics. The County tried at some point to do something. People didn't want to pay and the County let them get away with it. But the property owner NEVER had no responsibility to clean up the mess. As we have seen, "we delay, we pay."<br /><br />If you think Julie's whining got us the report - good for you. Please explain that one though, when it was Marshall asking the County nicely and Maria plunking down her $20 and picking it up to bring it to the CSD office. You will notice that's when we got some action. (Lisa? What's she got to do with it?)Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-5197427386118749842010-04-10T15:56:29.316-07:002010-04-10T15:56:29.316-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-30401215719747113082010-04-10T12:11:19.065-07:002010-04-10T12:11:19.065-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422834300453521293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-44647391842087625622010-04-10T11:55:04.414-07:002010-04-10T11:55:04.414-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422834300453521293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-46245252898194300462010-04-10T11:44:37.867-07:002010-04-10T11:44:37.867-07:00Sorry Razor. I gave my word that I had no intentio...Sorry Razor. I gave my word that I had no intention of outing him. Should he do something egregious from here on out, I might change my mind.<br />Sincerely, MMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422834300453521293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-59370387000206779082010-04-10T10:40:56.373-07:002010-04-10T10:40:56.373-07:00M, if you can, please send me what you know about ...M, if you can, please send me what you know about Mr. !!!! <a href="mailto:therazor@rockofthecoast.com" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Thank you!Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955571563734090743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-16857839463828419832010-04-10T10:33:03.678-07:002010-04-10T10:33:03.678-07:00...before I get out to do a few chores, just wante......before I get out to do a few chores, just wanted to remind y'all to thank all the TaxPayers Watch folks... you know, the ones who actually held the CSD5 responsible for misappropriation of our tax dollars...!!!!<br /><br />How's that PZLDF lawsuit going...???Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-63357972056088250762010-04-10T09:54:49.750-07:002010-04-10T09:54:49.750-07:00lol.... and you play the righteous so well... sn...lol.... and you play the righteous so well... snicker, snicker...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-83158465749403553782010-04-10T09:33:30.567-07:002010-04-10T09:33:30.567-07:00I'm not going to go any further with this Mike...I'm not going to go any further with this Mike. I just wanted to stand up on a table and yell, " I figured out who makes all these outragous comments!!!"<br />Sincerely, MMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422834300453521293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-15141224121143199722010-04-10T08:54:46.193-07:002010-04-10T08:54:46.193-07:00I'm not worried... but please walk around with...I'm not worried... but please walk around with your eyes and ears open...there are some pretty outrageous and inflamitory statements still being made by a few of the most vocal activists... and do look up the legal definition of slander...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-83897848324447448322010-04-10T08:46:43.213-07:002010-04-10T08:46:43.213-07:00Well, while I was typing my latest post, there'...Well, while I was typing my latest post, there's Mikeeee posting more of his bio and confirming what I had discovered. I have no intentions of "outing you", but if you leave something of a slanderous nature, I will see that whoever it is that is slandered will receive your name from me. If it is not you then you have nothing to worry about. Right?<br />Sincerely, MMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422834300453521293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-47501778889269620942010-04-10T08:39:29.945-07:002010-04-10T08:39:29.945-07:00Mikeeee has left his bio all over the place. It wa...Mikeeee has left his bio all over the place. It wasn't hard to connect the dots. My only surprise is that someone hasn't connected them before.<br />Sewertoons lists many events that have brought us to this point. Starting way back when. None of them the fault of the property owner. But now we are left to pick up the tab? You site stuff going back to the 80's, but it's always Lisa and Julie. With all of you it's Lisa and Julie. Would you be leaving thanks for the County project report if Lisa and Julie had been instrumental in obtaining it?<br />Sincerely, MMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422834300453521293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-39441677395633646922010-04-10T08:13:18.576-07:002010-04-10T08:13:18.576-07:00Is this now guess who the anonomus are...??? So f...Is this now guess who the anonomus are...??? So far I've been named as at least 5 or 6 others... So now we play the guess where they live game... Are you really sure I don't live on 7th St (actually have owned a couple rentals there, including the first house I ever owned), maybe try Cabrillo or Clark Canyon or even Cuesta-by-the Sea... or maybe Cayucos or Morro or Baywood... maybe nex door to Piper or Lisa or Ann.. <br /><br />...and ron, the drunk lives in Los Osos...??? <br /><br />No, you haven't "outed" me, but apparently are concerned... perhaps because I represent more of the community than the "activists"...??? ...just where do they all live...??? hmmmm....???? Does Julie live in Los Osos...??? How about Gail....???? <br /><br />How long have you lived here...??? I was born over 65 years ago in the SLO General Hospital... Graduated from SLO Hi (there was no high school in Morro back then) and have a BS from Poly, grew up with Jack Tonini... even hunted deer up Perfumo Canyon and down into Diablo Canyon before I worked there long ago... I still kayak in Morro Bay, Lopez and Laguna Lake... but enough of that... <br /><br />I've watched this cirque de sewer never dreaming LO would become the activist center of the world... So continue your games, the bottom line remains chiseled in granite, not the magic sand a few of you remaining aggitator activists worship... There is a real sewer coming to Los Osos... and most of the community embraces that step into the modern world inspite of the few befuddled old pot stirrers, drunk out of town hacks, clowns, trolls, dwarfs and mental cases...<br /><br />Keep guessing, it just shows how insecure you are in your pot stirring... Keep wringing your hands and attempting to nitpic and throwing down your shovels...the rest of Los Osos is laughing at you and really doesn't care what you think.... The Sewer is coming to Los Osos...!!!!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-8686296524098288452010-04-10T07:51:14.051-07:002010-04-10T07:51:14.051-07:00We can thank Marshall and Maria for getting the CS...We can thank Marshall and Maria for getting the CSD a copy of the report. They did the work to make it so.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-50983700046060150992010-04-10T06:50:05.215-07:002010-04-10T06:50:05.215-07:00Ron sez:"In other words, had Darrin Polhemus ...Ron sez:"In other words, had Darrin Polhemus simply listened to me on the phone that day in 2005 -- when I first discovered how his office was about to illegally fund millions of dollars of park crap for Los Osos with money that is supposed to be used ONLY for water clean-up things -- and NOT cut that $6.5 million check, the Tri-W site would NEVER have been touched, and the last five years of Los Osos train wreck would have never happened. (Good god, is my Pulitzer application going to rock, or what?!)"<br /><br />that certainly 'splains why both the SWB and the local RWACB were more than hapy to "fine the CSD" -- and Los Osos -- "out of existence." A non-existent CSD and a community under fire will NOT have the resources to persue the answer to that question. That also 'splains why the state AG, Jerry Brown, is NOT asking about that SRF "park" loan or your time-stamped complaint. <br /><br /><br />toonces sez:"Later - after 3:00 p.m., the CSD will have its very own copy of THE REPORT. The 1,000 page document that has certain community members very upset. THAT report."<br /><br />glad to hear it. I noticed the Tribune gave Paavo a brickbat for not making that report more available, ESPECIALLY this close to the critical CC hearings. I don't know about anybody else, but I want that report readily accessible so various groups can nit-pick it totally, then show up at the CC hearings with all their nits in a row and (please God) this time let the Commisisoners (including Sarah Wan) NOT fall asleep at the switch, so that this time i's will be correctly dotted and t's crossed, and there will be NO bait and switchy or any other weirdness.<br /><br />toonces also sez:"What was wrong was sitting on the sewer idea when we could have gotten that 1980's money (thanks Bud Laurent)." <br /><br />If memory serves, the federal dollars were all gone before Bud ran for office. That was the problem. The RWQCB made a "finding," (which is how you began the process to shake that federal money tree) and when the $ dried up, the "finding" was left there. No way to say, heh-heh, just kidding, and back out. The County, of course, kept issuing permits. This was a trainwreck from day one and the origins of the Us vs THEM paranoid go back to George Gibson & Roger Shields (CAWS) and the way 83-13 & 12 was written and administered, or in the case of 83-12 NOT administered. <br /><br />M sez:"Mike, I noticed in your denial that you didn'y say that you do live in Los Osos. So i'll take that as a statement that you don't."<br /><br />Anonymous Mikeeee, who makes stuff up and is, well, Anonymous, doesn't live in Los Osos? Can this possibly be true? How would anyone know since Mikee makes stuff up and is, well, an Anonymice.Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701649330085709021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-91519269457468696542010-04-09T22:53:03.462-07:002010-04-09T22:53:03.462-07:00M,
Did Julie or Lisa think bankrupting the communi...M,<br />Did Julie or Lisa think bankrupting the community was representing the community's best interests? Wouldn't building Tri-W (or going along with the October Compromise) have been a better result for us than years more of aquifer degradation from saltwater intrusion and added pollution PLUS CDO's and NOV's and bankruptcy??<br /><br />Just because the County allowed it, doesn't mean that they did the right thing for the environment. I know people who lived here then too - and the story was the County delayed the sewer to get enough people to pay for what was going to be an expensive project. What was wrong was the piecemeal planning without charging developers to put in the infrastructure. What was wrong was allowing the community itself to decide whether or not it wanted a sewer. What was wrong was sitting on the sewer idea when we could have gotten that 1980's money (thanks Bud Laurent). Scientific experts disagree all the time. That is a given. It is just how many of each stack up on each side.<br /><br />Please explain - I recently spoke to a man who has lived here since the early 70's. After the rush of building occurred in the early 80's, the upper aquifer, which had been used to drink from, was now too full of nitrates to be used. What could have done that? Ancient buried forests? Cows? Or the addition of 6,000 to 7,000 more people on crammed-in lots?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-9644702395242126292010-04-09T16:52:10.731-07:002010-04-09T16:52:10.731-07:00Actually, slightly less than half of the town were...Actually, slightly less than half of the town were not OK with the Tri-W site. They were resigned to it. Many people at the first CSD meeting after the recall spoke about how they were not particularly thrilled with Tri-W, if we must we must. If the recalled directors had any sense of the pulse of the community, they should have seen what happened coming. They should have simply taken the necessary steps to get the ship righted again. After all, they were supposed to be representing us were'nt they?<br />If we indeed have 8-12 houses on an acre, the County permitted them. If 8-12 houses on an acre is too many how could they have been permitted? Did the County not know that we got water from the upper aquafier? Why do several scientific experts believe septic tanks are not the problem, and the other side says, "well, there must be a problem if there's that many."<br />Mike, I noticed in your denial that you didn'y say that you do live in Los Osos. So i'll take that as a statement that you don't. I do live here, and have lived here for a long time. I do know the sewer history. How long have we been given to comply with the law? 27 years? You tell me one other instance of any non-compliance with a law from the State for 27 years. Must be a pretty weak law.<br />Just as I can't say "OJ did it, although I know he did, i'm pretty sure I know who you are. Certainly not through any sort of investigative thing or anything, but I pay attention to things. And I stumbled across something and said whoa, whoa, whoa. Here it is. here is your identity. Though I don't have a face to put to you, I do know where your're coming from. <br />Sincerely, MMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422834300453521293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-59574296710255002092010-04-09T12:43:22.807-07:002010-04-09T12:43:22.807-07:00M, If the fact that we have 8 to 12 homes per acre...M, If the fact that we have 8 to 12 homes per acre on septics, (when there should only be 1 to adequately detox waste), cannot convince you that there is pollution, nothing ever will. Please explain WHAT would convince you.<br /><br />Ann, please explain how changing the location was ever going to go smoothly when half the town was OK with the plant where it was?<br /><br />The players who did not want to move forward in the October compromise were the Lisa Board. There needed to be a bridge loan to keep the District going and to hold a 218. They didn't do it. Did you ever ask them why?Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-52753376151337537402010-04-09T11:50:42.923-07:002010-04-09T11:50:42.923-07:00PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
Later - after 3:00 p....PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT<br /><br />Later - after 3:00 p.m., the CSD will have its very own copy of THE REPORT. The 1,000 page document that has certain community members very upset. THAT report. So if you want to peruse it, or have the CSD make you copies of it - or parts of it - (there is a fee, but can't recall what that is) - go to the CSD office. They are open M-F with an hour off for lunch between 12 and 1. An easier destination than going into SLO.<br /><br />I heard rumor that the County is going to post this thing online - but I don't know when that will be - I just checked and it isn't there yet.Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501351678541088868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-79210538881080659672010-04-09T10:33:46.139-07:002010-04-09T10:33:46.139-07:00GOOD TEA is NOT stirred... nor is it neccessary to...GOOD TEA is NOT stirred... nor is it neccessary to add other ingredents (they just rot your teeth)... I still have all my god given teeth and a full head of hair... <br /><br />Good spirits, scotch for instance, does not need to be diluted... you might as well drink Coors beer if you put anything but clear ice in good spirits... <br /><br />Opps... probably just made ron todder off for another Coors...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-65693061395918127442010-04-09T09:52:07.680-07:002010-04-09T09:52:07.680-07:00Speakin of Tea
LIVE ALERT
In a few short Hours Cop...Speakin of Tea<br /><b>LIVE ALERT</b><br />In a few short Hours <b>Copa De ORO</b><br />Will be closing its doors<br />This is a Sad Day for BayWood<br /><br /><br />Please come by.<br />Santa Maria and Third<br />They may close sometime past noon till 2<br />“When The Coffee runs out”<br />Proprietor, Mat<br /><br />If they do, order a sandwich (Fantastic)and say goodbye.<br /><br />You too Ron, Slalom the El-Camino down 41.<br /><br />(Bay pier “Good Tides” will continue to serve our district)Alon Perlmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00155776897189144501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-67583355630663280582010-04-09T09:39:52.524-07:002010-04-09T09:39:52.524-07:00Ann, your posts are excellent. So readable.
Ann w...Ann, your posts are excellent. So readable.<br /><br />Ann wrote:<br /><br /><i>"It's also critical to remember that when you paint one group of people as "crazies," then when they tell the truth, they won't be believed.</i>"<br /><br />That point might just be THE most <i>critical</i> point in this entire mess, and it goes straight to the <b>heart</b> of <a href="http://sewerwatch.blogspot.com/2007/05/she-is-los-osos.html" rel="nofollow">behavior based marketing</a>.<br /><br />That point is WHY the train wreck's lasted so long. That's WHY everyone gets so "Jedi mind tricked" when it comes to Los Osos.<br /><br />Think about it: If the person that is <i>deliberately</i> painting the people that aren't on her side as "crazies," and "obstructionists," and, "hacks," and "conspiracy theorists," and that same person is also a respected community "leader," and a former "Person of the Year," and a long-time public official, and on a first-name-basis with EVERY influential media member, politician, and law enforcement official, how long do you think it's going to take for the train wreck to not only come to a stop, but then for rescue operations to start?<br /><br />That's going to take a loooooooooong time, and it has... and counting.<br /><br />Ann:<br /><br /><i>"Nor did the voters vote to start the project before the recall vote, thereby blowing tons of money; that decision wasn't the citizens, it fell on 3 CSD directors."</i><br /><br />Gets worse.<br /><br />As I reported at this link:<br /><br /><a href="http://sewerwatch.blogspot.com/2006/09/californias-recall-elections-code.html" rel="nofollow">http://sewerwatch.blogspot.com/2006/09/californias-recall-elections-code.html</a><br /><br />... after listening to potential voters tell them, at about a 10 -1 clip, to place the recall election date at one of the earliest possible dates, the CSD3 promptly ignored all of those voters, and placed it at one of the latest dates, and that decision bought them the extra month they need to needlessly begin construction... construction that was funded with that illegal SRF check... that I formally challenged... BEFORE the State cut that illegal check.<br /><br />In other words, had Darrin Polhemus simply listened to me on the phone that day in 2005 -- when I first discovered how his office was about to illegally fund millions of dollars of park crap for Los Osos with money that is supposed to be used ONLY for water clean-up things -- and NOT cut that $6.5 million check, the Tri-W site would NEVER have been touched, and the last five years of Los Osos train wreck <i>would have never happened</i>. (Good god, is my Pulitzer application going to rock, or what?!)<br /><br />So, Los Osos, there's how you get off the hook for paying for the Tri-W restoration today -- argue that some smart-ass reporter formally challenged (as per SRF policy) that loan BEFORE it was issued, the smart-ass reporter was/is 100-percent right, that check should have never been cut, the smart-ass reporter made State officials aware (time-stamped) that they were about to illegally fund a multi-million park for Los Osos, yet they ignored him, and funded it anyway, and if they had NOT ignored the smart-ass reporter, the Tri-W site would have never been touched.<br /><br />So, now, in 2010, the State's liable for the site's restoration.<br /><br />Los Osos, who's your Daddy?Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14156410299483542733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-3955823460856632352010-04-09T08:37:24.540-07:002010-04-09T08:37:24.540-07:00Mike
"The wise person does not stir tea"...Mike<br /><br />"The wise person does not stir tea" .<br /><br />Brush the tea leaves from your false teeth, you just flunked "Tea Making 101".<br /><br />If one is British, Canadian or European and likes to drink tea, you would most likely use a splash of milk and a half teaspoon, or a cube of sugar. Or with herbal tea use honey and perhaps lemon.<br /><br />My "wise" parents taught me ( around age 6) to stir the aforementioned ingredients in order to fully acquire the good taste you mention.<br /><br />My father would add a shot of whisky at bedtime and of course "stir" gently.<br /><br />So, I guess you could say your "wisecrack" was an "unwise-crack" eh.FOGSWAMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14094960232554363985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-72785264158067868252010-04-09T07:36:00.753-07:002010-04-09T07:36:00.753-07:00Richard sez:"Stir, stir, stir the pot Ann.
A...Richard sez:"Stir, stir, stir the pot Ann. <br />All you'll accomplish is a sore arm."<br /><br />Here's another puzzling question: Remember when you said you were stick of this site and promised to go away forever and ever? Yet, here you are. Again. And again. And again. Guess it's another one of those Los Osos puzzles. <br /><br />Red Rhino sez:""Did the citizens of Los Osos really know they were voting for additional pollution and higher costs when they voted for the recall?" If not, weren't we ripped off by those we elected to get a job done?"<br /><br />I don't think the citizens voted to have fellow citzens behind the scenes urging the RWQCB to "fine the CSD out of existence," but that effort was underway even before the recall votes were counted. Nor did the voters vote to start the project before the recall vote, thereby blowing tons of money; that decision wasn't the citizens, it fell on 3 CSD directors. For years, the citizens had asked for a vote, very similar to what the county would later do during their "process," of a "choice," -- triW vs out of town, etc. That vote was denied, again by 3 CSD directors. I also think the citizens voted to "amend the project, move the sewer plant," which would have happened in the October Compromise. The failure of that raises another question that remains unanswered: This project was salvagable, even after the disasterous decision to start work before the recall, had all the players stopped, took a deep breath, and moved forward. All doable, but a lot of people behind the scenes truly fought like tigers to stop the salvage and push for absolute destruction. Why? <br /><br />Ron sez:"So, basically, the reason there's a gigantic hole in the middle of Los Osos, is because Sara Wan is lazy."<br /><br />I suspect you may be right. I would also add that the entire Commission likely did NOT stop to ask what Potter was talking about when he used the words "bait and switchy." Too much effort to persue that red flag. It's also critical to remember that when you paint one group of people as "crazies," then when they tell the truth, they won't be believed. Los Osos has seen that technique at work for years: someone asking a serious question or raising a serious issue is branded as an "anti-sewer obstructionist," instead of someone asking a serious question that needs to be looked at. You saw that at work most recently. The Sustainability Group was repeatedly dismissed (those "anti-sewer obstructionists!) until Planning Commisisoner Christie took a look at what they were actually saying and then required staff to look more closely and, ta-DA!, turns out their points actually would work, and we now have a shot at a better project thanks to the work of those "anti-sewer obstructionist crazies." That kind of deliberate distortion has repeatedly caused problems for this project, from day one.Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701649330085709021noreply@blogger.com