tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post8127571519497013495..comments2023-10-28T03:14:44.519-07:00Comments on Calhouns Can(n)ons: NewsstandGreghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-13638788406896752532007-09-14T09:28:00.000-07:002007-09-14T09:28:00.000-07:00Ann Balooooooon:Until the Andre1 site was fully ve...Ann Balooooooon:<BR/><BR/>Until the Andre1 site was fully vetted it was valid. The property was available for sale. It was unknown whether or not PG&E would allow access to the site UNDER the power lines by giving a variance to their deed restrictions. It was really a good site, many projects such as nurserys etc. exist under power lines. However when they stated that they would not because they wanted the potential of placing a large underground electrical transmission line into the ground under the power lines, and wrote a letter to that effect, the site was found NOT usable. The letter was proof of previous conversations.<BR/><BR/>Another balooooooooon poped:<BR/><BR/>In the meantime, didn't the recall group advocate this site as a place for the Nelson Environmental system? Was not a copy of the PG&E letter to the LOCSD circulated for all to see? Did not someone get up at a LOCSD meeting and speak about the letter and the site. What other site was available out of town? Perhaps you do not know, a SERVICE DISTRICT has no power to eminent domain property OUTSIDE it's district boundries. What other site was available?<BR/><BR/>Hey baloooooon: Ever read LAFCO law? It was expected that they would put the dissolution up to a vote of the property owners who formed the district and were responsible for it. It is part of the law. This would have been the democratic way. It was reasonable.4crapkillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18106205459391355518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-51300754710611639872007-09-14T09:21:00.000-07:002007-09-14T09:21:00.000-07:00Ann,No. Why not?...ask TWRegards, Richard LeGrosPS...Ann,<BR/><BR/>No. <BR/><BR/>Why not?...ask TW<BR/><BR/>Regards, Richard LeGros<BR/><BR/>PS: Did you not know, prior to voting for the recall, that stopping Tri-W would result in all the financial and political damage that has occurred (despite repeated warnings by many government agencies)? <BR/>If not, why not?Richard LeGroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15209499066835732066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-90652750773510444532007-09-14T06:21:00.000-07:002007-09-14T06:21:00.000-07:00FRAUDyCrap sez:"Of course she and the rest of the ...FRAUDyCrap sez:"Of course she and the rest of the peanut gallery, will blame it on the former board."<BR/><BR/>Once again, the self identified FRAUD is unable or unwilling to connect the dots. Even Inlet's last posting follows the bread crumbs back along the trail into the Time Before CSDs when the structural failures of this train were being laid down, systemic flaws that, uncorrected, lead directly to the trainwreck. But then, a self-identified FRAUD shouldn't be expected to be able to connect dots.<BR/><BR/>richard sez:"LAFCO will never dissolve the LOCSD. Never."<BR/><BR/>Like you, Did Taxpayer Watch know that before they filed for dissolution? If not, why not?Churadogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362538114791652208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-45797152856384032912007-09-13T16:04:00.000-07:002007-09-13T16:04:00.000-07:00You ain't alone Shark... would love to have Ron ha...You ain't alone Shark... would love to have Ron have to PAY his fair share of this fiasco!!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-1934947363399526502007-09-13T15:30:00.000-07:002007-09-13T15:30:00.000-07:00Richard,Yes, it seems as if LAFCO won't voluntaril...Richard,<BR/><BR/>Yes, it seems as if LAFCO won't voluntarily dissolve the LOCSD because the County would be hurt by such an action. However, I would argue that such a decision should be made on the merits, not based on self-protective behavior on the part of LAFCO members. Also, there is a provision to require LAFCO to allow dissolution via a vote of the residents.<BR/><BR/>Sure, I'm just trying to escape the debt run up by the post-recall board and trying to spread it across the County and sure I feel a bit guilty about it ... but please remember two things ... Ron will then have to pay his share and the County created the mess in the first place and then made it a whole lot worse by approving tons of additional development even after they knew there was a problem.<BR/><BR/>I'm a feelin' crusty today.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-12402715683729438672007-09-13T11:21:00.000-07:002007-09-13T11:21:00.000-07:00Hey Ron, how much have YOU "donated" to the Pizzel...Hey Ron, how much have YOU "donated" to the Pizzelflop 13 defense fund? <BR/><BR/>Quite a few more than the CDO 13 plus Gail, are fully behind TW, in fact dollars raised would astound even your insensiblity! TW is indeed alive and well. Too bad the LOCSD can't say the same!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-52602674648679819902007-09-13T11:16:00.000-07:002007-09-13T11:16:00.000-07:00Yup, they are not sending the money to support Ron...Yup, they are not sending the money to support Ron. His opinions are only worth diddly squat! Hey Ron, tell us about all the property out of the district to put a sewer plant on that was available for sale at the time before TRI-W was purchased? You can leave out Andre1, which was impossible.4crapkillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18106205459391355518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-37453148991662865212007-09-13T10:38:00.000-07:002007-09-13T10:38:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Richard LeGroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15209499066835732066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-16721451899323289552007-09-13T10:04:00.000-07:002007-09-13T10:04:00.000-07:00It is a distinct possibility (is that a probabilit...It is a distinct possibility (is that a probability?) that if our CSD Board had more money available, it would just waste more, with a similar net effect.TCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03150320339569740612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-35062269267516797292007-09-13T09:56:00.000-07:002007-09-13T09:56:00.000-07:00If we manage to elect a new board of sensible peop...If we manage to elect a new board of sensible people and get new attorneys, the peanut gallery will still continue their harassment at meetings. Woe is us!4crapkillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18106205459391355518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-21314605269263463662007-09-13T09:54:00.000-07:002007-09-13T09:54:00.000-07:00Richard wrote:"The reason is simple....no money."S...Richard wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"The reason is simple....no money."</I><BR/><BR/>Speaking of no money, regarding Taxpayer Watch's debt to the county for their silly, divisive and expensive attempt to dissolve the Los Osos Community Services District -- the same District that many of them were responsible for creating in 1998 -- Paul Hood, Executive Officer, SLO LAFCO, in an e-mail dated, Tue, 11 Sep., 2007, wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"Taxpayer Watch is making regular monthly payments (of) $1,000. The balance owed is $19,247. The full amount due is payable by July 1, 2008."</I><BR/><BR/>O.k.... so... let's see here... July, 2008 is less than 11 months away, they're paying $1,000/month, and they owe more than $19,000... doesn't sound like you're going to make it, Richard.<BR/><BR/>I have a question. Who's ponying up the $1-grand a month? Are you folks in Los Osos noticing a lot of flyers for "Taxpayer Watch Bake Sales," or do they have another revenue source?<BR/><BR/>Oh, and I almost forgot... I posted a new piece at <I>SewerWatch</I>. <A HREF="http://sewerwatch.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Stop by if you get a sec</A>. Interesting stuff, of course.Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14156410299483542733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-25993882222953682352007-09-13T09:50:00.000-07:002007-09-13T09:50:00.000-07:00To Richard Legros:I hope you are wrong, but fear y...To Richard Legros:<BR/><BR/>I hope you are wrong, but fear you are correct. The lack of "Due Diligence" by the attorneys and the majority of the board members has the potential to continue to pile debt for which only the property owners are responsible.<BR/><BR/>I fear that even if we elected Ann Baloooon as dictator of the district, her great intelligence, knowledge, and skill could not get us out of this mess. Her biased opinions certainly have contributed to the mess. She has been the cheering section in print for these BOZOS. Of course she and the rest of the peanut gallery, will blame it on the former board.<BR/><BR/>How about this one Ann? Just another crisis added to along list of stupidity and total lack of understanding reality. But Ann, you too, are sooner or later going to pay for it, and double! Bwaaaaa! Pass the hat to Ron Crawford!4crapkillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18106205459391355518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-6417121146101376362007-09-13T07:59:00.000-07:002007-09-13T07:59:00.000-07:00Hi Mike,LAFCO will never dissolve the LOCSD. Neve...Hi Mike,<BR/><BR/>LAFCO will never dissolve the LOCSD. Never.<BR/><BR/>The legacy of the current LOCSD board will be local government unable to resolve any local issues or have any power to serve Los Osos. The reason is simple....no money. Government without money means no government at all.<BR/><BR/>Regards, Richard LeGrosRichard LeGroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15209499066835732066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-55160276933586229502007-09-12T19:28:00.000-07:002007-09-12T19:28:00.000-07:00hmmmm....they don't have the money ($10K - $15K) t...hmmmm....they don't have the money ($10K - $15K) to obtain a permit, but they have money for a GM...???<BR/><BR/>Richard, when will these fiscal managers of our tax dollars finally run out of money...??? They continue to spend money on poor legal advice with consequences! When will LAFCo step in to halt the red ink?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-10424649526375870112007-09-12T18:36:00.000-07:002007-09-12T18:36:00.000-07:00Hi 4crapkiller,About the potential litigation bein...Hi 4crapkiller,<BR/><BR/>About the potential litigation being discussed in the upcoming closed session.<BR/><BR/>The LOCSD has let the CDP expire on Tri-W. Additionally, when the board stopped the project in 2005 the EPA’s Section 7 permit was withdrawn by the EPA (hence the County grading permit was voided with it). What does this all mean?<BR/><BR/>The LOCSD now wishes to stop paying rent (costing +/-$20K/year) on the fence that surrounds the property by removing said fence (cost of removal unknown). This sound easy enough; however, the site has lost its grading permit under which the work could have been performed. That permit had a concurrence and a mitigation plan with the US EPA / US Fish and Wildlife Service concerning the protection of endangered species (the Morro snail to be specific). With the permit gone, the LOCSD has been 'advised' by US Fish and Wildlife Service that the district should apply to the Service for review and approval of a plan by which endangered species will be protected. While the Service may not force the LOCSD to apply for this review, the Service has warned the LOCSD that if the work is performed without proper review and permits that the LOCSD leaves itself wide open to lawsuits and possible fines (like the fines recently issued by the Service to local private property owners that graded their property without permits). <BR/><BR/>As I see it, the LOCSD has several options:<BR/><BR/>1. Do nothing and leave the fence in place. This option will not work. <BR/><BR/>Because the fence has fallen over in places, the fence is now laying upon snail habitat (Dune Heather) The Service deems the fallen fence as 'harassment' of the snail and its habitat. Additionally, the snails are known to be at the fence line and under sand bags because the Morro Group found them when they recently inspected the site. Because of the 'harassment' caused by improperly maintained fencing, the LOCSD needs apply for a permit.<BR/><BR/>2. Take down the fence without permits. This option will not work.<BR/><BR/>Taking (meaning kill) or harassing a snail or habitat while removing the fence will result in lawsuits and/or fines costing much more than the fence rental).<BR/><BR/>3. Apply to the Service for a permit. This option will work.<BR/><BR/>The permit process takes time and money (About $10K-$15K). The LOCSD claims that it does not have the money to get the permit, or money to meet the conditions of the permit.<BR/><BR/>In all, the LOCSD must follow the laws which all of us must obey. For the LOCSD to try to avoid the law as they claim poverty is a moot argument to the regulators.<BR/><BR/>Regards, Richard LeGrosRichard LeGroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15209499066835732066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-59271607497049115382007-09-12T17:23:00.000-07:002007-09-12T17:23:00.000-07:00To Mike Green:By the time you get a chance to move...To Mike Green:<BR/><BR/>By the time you get a chance to move, the LOCSD BOARD will have so many liens on your property because of bad government, living under a bridge will look good if you do not find another job.4crapkillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18106205459391355518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-78227474752905535002007-09-12T17:18:00.000-07:002007-09-12T17:18:00.000-07:00On the LOCSD CLOSED MEETING AGENDA: A. POTENTIAL ...On the LOCSD CLOSED MEETING AGENDA:<BR/><BR/> A. POTENTIAL LITIGATION (Government Code, §54956.(b) <BR/>Conference with District Counsel pursuant to Government Code section 54956.9(b) to discuss facts and circumstances which, in the opinion of the legislative body and on the advice of counsel, create a significant exposure to litigation against the District. The facts and circumstances of this matter are known to the potential plaintiff and involve a challenge under the federal Endangered Species Act relating possible disturbance of the Morro shoulderbanded snail habitat at the Tri-W site.<BR/><BR/>Well I know the LOCSD scraped the Tri-W site and pushed some dirt around with a bulldozer. This happened after the Coastal Permit was let expire by the LOCSD and the County.<BR/><BR/>Is this something that came from the bulldozing? Anyone know? Is this just something else that the property owners will have to pay because of these bozos and their money hungry attornies?4crapkillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18106205459391355518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-53783528168218852402007-09-12T16:58:00.000-07:002007-09-12T16:58:00.000-07:00Hear it only pays $100KHear it only pays $100KUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-23627748137254656132007-09-12T14:54:00.000-07:002007-09-12T14:54:00.000-07:00ME ME! I'm currently underemployed and I don't kno...ME ME! I'm currently underemployed and I don't know squat about running a CSD! (well, maybe a thing or two, but I'm trainable)<BR/> Give me a call!Mike Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883036796650379771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-39886239324010660502007-09-12T14:46:00.000-07:002007-09-12T14:46:00.000-07:00Hey, but now the bankrupt CSD thinks it's got a ne...Hey, but now the bankrupt CSD thinks it's got a new fish on the hook... who in their right mind would take a General Manager's position with this Board?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-83169324129478152162007-09-12T13:55:00.000-07:002007-09-12T13:55:00.000-07:00Yep, gotta admit, Los Osos is probably the country...Yep, gotta admit, Los Osos is probably the country's poster child for effects of poor government.<BR/> Bottom to top one failure after another.<BR/> The only thing I can remember that could be construed as a political victory for us is the time we all stood down the state parks department and prevented a toll booth to Montana de Oro.<BR/> Panama is looking good,<BR/> Mexico's Lake Chapala sounds wonderful too.Mike Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883036796650379771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-58249502963902262932007-09-12T13:00:00.000-07:002007-09-12T13:00:00.000-07:00To our most recent friend, Revealed ...I would sug...To our most recent friend, Revealed ...<BR/><BR/>I would suggest that if you are going to say that the decision to go to war in Iraq without counting the cost first was a mistake, the most appropriate Los Osos analogy is the recall.<BR/><BR/>Both groups (the neocons and CCLO/LOTTF) had one possible outcome in mind and downplayed the possibility of any other possible outcome. The very campaign literature that promised $100/month and a ready to go plan with an out of town site sounds rather hopeful in retrospect, much like the promise that we would be greeted as liberators and that the oil revenue would cover our war costs.<BR/><BR/>Both groups are guilty of hubris.<BR/><BR/>What I would like to see is a comparison of the debt/person run up by the Bush administration for the war effort with the debt/person run up by the post-recall board in their effort to move the sewer out of town "no matter what it costs".<BR/><BR/>That last quote is what I find most galling about the post-recall situation. When Chuck told us this ... that he didn't care what it cost ... I know that it was just rhetoric ... but that rhetoric was rather revealing. That many people cheered this <B>asinine</B> statement just goes to show that there a a lot of people who are really idiots or that there are a lot of people who didn't really care about the literal meaning of his words.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-79741770374393326602007-09-12T12:45:00.000-07:002007-09-12T12:45:00.000-07:00Bush sent in troops to a sand pile 3rd world count...Bush sent in troops to a sand pile 3rd world country similar to Lost Osos... say, maybe he'll send some in here to guard the County contractors putting in the MEGA SEWER on the Tri-W site and the BIG PIPES buried 28 ft deep in all our streets!!!!!!!!!!!! <BR/><BR/>Vote Yes on 218, vote early and vote often...!!!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093426896476666691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-10100580205532361112007-09-12T11:41:00.000-07:002007-09-12T11:41:00.000-07:00Think of it this way:National politics runs parall...Think of it this way:<BR/><BR/>National politics runs parallel to our situation in Los Osos. Bush refers to Hadley, the Dreamers refer to Richard LeGros. They're community leaders, not thinkers! Of course they can't bring any sort of debate to fruition. They're just as inept as President Numbnuts here.Revealedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10466626782373430102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-15735893543312643802007-09-12T10:51:00.000-07:002007-09-12T10:51:00.000-07:00Ann,Let me ask an interesting question. How much ...Ann,<BR/><BR/>Let me ask an interesting question. How much is it worth (to you ... in $/month) to have the train back on the right track?<BR/><BR/>You see, even if we were to agree that in 2001 the train went on the wrong track, the cost of getting to the right track seems really high. As Richard pointed out, once you add together the various costs associated with the recall, it will now be about $300/month (or more) to have an out of town plant when it was only $200/month to have TriW.<BR/><BR/>I think that we should not so be so sloppy as to divorce the cost question from the technology and location question. There has been a cost of the recall and I won't presume that everyone agrees, but I don't think that out of town is worth more than an additional $50/month to me ... especially when you consider the TriW project was going to have some serious odor-scrubbers and a park component that would be used and appreciated by some.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.com