tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post826942560080372688..comments2023-10-28T03:14:44.519-07:00Comments on Calhouns Can(n)ons: NewsstandGreghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comBlogger98125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-76771335464373849872007-06-10T22:11:00.000-07:002007-06-10T22:11:00.000-07:00To Shark:I can't believe how this CSD board has ac...To Shark:<BR/><BR/>I can't believe how this CSD board has acted. We were all shocked that they had "no plan" and wondered what the Technical Task Force had been working on all that time.<BR/><BR/>The current CSD has gotten nothing but bad advice from someone, and apparently were not smart enough to think for themselves and realize something was wrong.<BR/><BR/>When you state, "the argument can be made that the recall board should have known even more that what they were telling us (that we wouldn't lose the loan, that there would be no fines and that they had a project that was ready to go and would cost less than $100 per month) was just plan fibbing to win an election."<BR/><BR/>I agree with you 100%, but look who made these mis-statements -- Mrs. McPherson. She and Julie have been behind the whole mess (with their own agendas.) Lisa turned her job over to Gail because she was too lazy to do things herself.<BR/><BR/>Boy, did we ever get screwed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-64421641642261037192007-06-10T21:55:00.000-07:002007-06-10T21:55:00.000-07:00I suppose that if the Solutions Group should have ...I suppose that if the Solutions Group should have known in advance that their ponding idea wouldn't have passed muster with the RWQCB, the argument can be made that the recall board should have known even more that what they were telling us (that we wouldn't lose the loan, that there would be no fines and that they had a project that was ready to go and would cost less than $100 per month) was just plan fibbing to win an election. Julie and Lisa had been told face to face by the SWRCB that the SRF was site specific yet they pretended it wasn't so.<BR/><BR/>I'll agree with you that any CSD would be poorly suited to achieve the goal. Perhaps we should acknowledge the wisdom of those few of us who voted against both the formation of the CSD and against the recall.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-16003220735012378212007-06-10T19:14:00.000-07:002007-06-10T19:14:00.000-07:00To "Shark" When you said, "Back in 1998, there was...To "Shark"<BR/><BR/> When you said, "Back in 1998, there wasn't a well known set of facts that would allow one to conclude that the Solutions Group was proposing a project that wouldn't fly. In 2005 the facts were well known..."<BR/><BR/>You can't tell me that Pandora didn't know the Regional Water Board would turn down ponding or that she wouldn't have found out that information from day one, or that there wasn't enough land for ponds -- Pandora didn't know that either?<BR/>Come on, you're smarter than that!<BR/><BR/>After reading your post and thinking about all this, the one clear fact is that ANY CSD board would not be able to pull off a sewer project of this size. The county should have done it and never should have expected any CSD to do a project for so many homes, and a project from scratch. The county has admitted they have never done such a big project, so how in the world could anyone think the CSD could do it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-37318220409055214702007-06-10T08:58:00.000-07:002007-06-10T08:58:00.000-07:00If Schicker and Tacker had not lead the legal crus...If Schicker and Tacker had not lead the legal crusade against all who disagreed and then soiled their hands in throwing away the District funds after lying about having any Plan. No, they stupidly bit the public hand that allowed them to grow fat at the community's expense. They both are entitled their day in court and we are entitled honest government. Those who violate the oath of office should be procecuted in accordance with the laws violated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-6485179130817228342007-06-10T08:12:00.000-07:002007-06-10T08:12:00.000-07:00Let 'em go or we'll have to skewer 10-12 people. ...Let 'em go or we'll have to skewer 10-12 people. What a bunch of time, money, and energy that would be better put toward a wastewater project.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-2893816996842800132007-06-09T20:48:00.000-07:002007-06-09T20:48:00.000-07:00Don't underestimate the State's responsibility to ...Don't underestimate the State's responsibility to assure local agencies perform within the laws or they destory public trust in local government. This is not just picking on a simple Los Osos bankruptcy. The failure of this CSD is very serious. LAFCo should also have been showing much more concern. <BR/><BR/>Elected officials do make promises they couldn't fulfill, however, this group has lied and has admitted that under oath. <BR/><BR/>Every detail of each government is under review almost continuously. Government is paid for by you and I. If they fail, they have thrown away our tax dollars and our trust. Without trust, there is no government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-42957486660450023612007-06-09T20:04:00.000-07:002007-06-09T20:04:00.000-07:00I don't think there should be any legal action aga...I don't think there should be any legal action against members of the community. That will only perpetuate nasty, vindictive behavior for which we are well-known already. I don't understand how that kind of activity would improve the situation. I say support the county and let the Los Osos individuals go. They've all done enough damage already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-56201246037406912662007-06-09T19:46:00.000-07:002007-06-09T19:46:00.000-07:00Different situations, contractor trailer, not CSD ...Different situations, contractor trailer, not CSD office was broken into; myth busted!<BR/><BR/>Lisa to have a chance and she tried to go around the law! Doc's should have (required by law) gone to a secure County storage, NOT Gail McPherson's living room and then Lisa bragged about it! Lisa busted!<BR/><BR/>Project was not corrupted until 10 days AFTER halting the project.<BR/><BR/>Then the CSD never even tried to produce any acceptible project. Both Lisa and Julie had attended all the meeting with the State and knew the rules! They simply felt they could run the CSD in any direction they chose. <BR/><BR/>I like the very pertanet question Shark asked last evening: <BR/><BR/>"In your last point about why TriW was stopped. You claim it was only stopped because the state wanted a 218 vote. Here's my question for you ... why didn't the LOCSD initiate the 218 vote process that the state wanted?"<BR/><BR/>This CSD has filed for bankruptcy protection and as such has put itself directly under the microscope of the State AG. An elected local government like a CSD is held to laws and standards. When a situation such as a backruptcy occurs, it undermines the concept of local government. From discussions with legal observers and the AG's office directly, this CSD has raised quite a number of red flags. There will be a State Audit! Members of the past CSD have been questioned and have no qualms about having a full audit. This CSD however should be squirming. There is some protection for Board Members until serious mismanagement, especially financial mismanagement, is determined. <BR/><BR/>Whatever the final outcome, Los Osos will have a sewer, some rules will be addressed in the State Water Board, residential development will resume and there will be some legal action against some members of the community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-65182769638211816142007-06-09T19:20:00.000-07:002007-06-09T19:20:00.000-07:00Anonymous 10:52 AM, June 09, 2007 said... "Lisa an...Anonymous 10:52 AM, June 09, 2007 said... <BR/>"Lisa and Gail will be prosecuted for violation of the Brown Act and the illegal storage and destruction of Public Records and Documents!" <BR/><BR/>Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the CSD office broken into immediately following the recall election, so recalled candidates could sweep up the incriminating evidence? <BR/><BR/>Seems to me that Lisa didn't have a chance. The project was already corrupted to the point that continuing the coverup was more important than a wastewater treatment facility. Too so many influencial behind the scene, power brokers with too much to lose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-41575802246301664972007-06-09T17:02:00.000-07:002007-06-09T17:02:00.000-07:00Doesn't anyone remember how disliked the last Coun...Doesn't anyone remember how disliked the last County project was? People objected to chlorine gas tanks stored right next to the Middle School. That is why the CSD was formed. <BR/><BR/>This time around, the County is smart enough to get tons of input from Los Osians (and others who don't live here) and are giving us choices. Why would we think WE should get the project back, as it is quite clear that a CSD - any CSD - cannot handle a project as big as this.<BR/><BR/>We objected because the old board had "no 218 vote" - which was not true but for the sake of argument from one side anyway, we could say that. Then, the new board did not do a 218 vote when it was quite clear that they didn't have enough money to push anything forward, we objected to that. So now the County is doing a 218 vote. <BR/><BR/>Sorry, the naysayers about the County "forcing" a particular project is just more "no sewer" hogwash. I'm not buying that at all, and will be very angry if someone tries to take my choice for a project away from me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-33490006191429202372007-06-09T11:36:00.000-07:002007-06-09T11:36:00.000-07:0011:03, it's called perception is reality. You say ...11:03, it's called perception is reality. You say something often enough and people start to believe it. Different when you tell it to the judge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-26212522104793614692007-06-09T11:08:00.000-07:002007-06-09T11:08:00.000-07:00Hold on, our anonymous friend of 11:36pm ...I am n...Hold on, our anonymous friend of 11:36pm ...<BR/><BR/>I am not holding Pandora blameless ... she and her krewe decided that they could do a better job than the County ... and while I am not convinced that they were lying sacks of weasel dung by Ron's arguments ... I do think that a clear case can be made that they should have thought thru these issues a bit more carefully. In particular, they seemed to underestimate both the willingness of the RWQCB to stick to their denitrification guns and the willingness of of Los Osos citizens to fight them. Essentially the Solutions Group, the Clinton administration (at least the 1st term) and the Bush administration are all guilty of hubris. They all thought that because they were elected that the people would support every action they took.<BR/><BR/>The saddest thing is that the recall board realized this but committed the exact same sin. If your campaign is based on "vote out the self-important folks who aren't listening to you", you shouldn't stop listening to the citizens the moment you are elected. <BR/><BR/>Back in 1998, there wasn't a well known set of facts that would allow one to conclude that the Solutions Group was proposing a project that wouldn't fly. In 2005 the facts were well known and those facts would all point toward the recall as likely to cause a problem. The recall board could have made the choice to do the right thing and have a 218 vote ... but they chose not to do that. Essentially the recall board was <B>worse</B> than I expected. I figured that they were just lying to the public with campaign promises they couldn't hope to achieve. They weren't lying ... they were clueless. Chuck and Lisa and the rest had no thought out plan about how to legally achieve their goals of getting the WWTF moved out of town. Had they immediately taken a 218 vote right after the election ... they could have told the public the truth ... that they needed some $20M to even design a new out of town plant. Had the property owners agreed to assess themselves some $20M to pay back the earlier SRF and to start the design process. <BR/><BR/><BR/>To our friend of 10:29am ... yes a 218 vote is appropriate and necessary in various contexts. Assessments require such votes. For example, to issue bonds which will be paid back from assessments, the property owners would have to approve. However, in this case, the SRF arrangement between the LOCSD and the SWRCB didn't specify an assessment. The revenue stream to pay off the loan was the monthly charges for sewer services.<BR/><BR/>You may view this as a slight of hand to achieve the goal of financing TriW. I wouldn't disagree. However, because both parties to the SRF loan agreed to the terms it would seem that a 218 vote wasn't technically necessary. No one's rights were violated. <BR/><BR/>If you want to make the point that the Feds should sue the SWRCB for making an unsecured loan to the LOCSD you would have a good argument, but the one you put out there doesn't carry water. <BR/><BR/>As to your contention that the County wants a blank check ... again you're wrong. They are promising us a particular maximum payment for a particular service. This is exactly how a 218 vote should work. If you need to know the particulars before you'll vote yes, you'll find yourself always voting "no" on these things. Simply put, there is no way that the County can know in advance whether they'll need to make any changes to conform the project to CCC or RWQCB requirments or to satisfy various judges of lawsuits filed by those who don't like the project the County proposes. <BR/><BR/>You can't tell us honestly you expect to be presented a complete design that won't be changed in any way before you'll be willing to vote yes. You can't be telling us that you expect that the County will present us two or three complete designs that are already finalized before you'll vote yes. Only an certified idiot or a person engaging in rhetorical bluster would say such things.<BR/><BR/><BR/>You are right that Pandora should take some blame ... but please don't think that Julie, Lisa and the rest are somehow absolved because Pandora played a role. To say that all Shiites are right because some Sunnis have done bad things is just plain oversimplification in exactly the same way as Julie and Lisa haven't hosed our community due to her lack of wisdom just because Pandora and her side made some rather unwise choices. I don't mind if you want to give Pandora and the Solutions Group even 70% of the blame ... as long as you're willing to admit that the others should get the rest. Myself, I would tend to give the Solutions Group about 35% of the blame and the most recent boards the rest.<BR/><BR/><BR/>On your last point about why TriW was stopped. You claim it was only stopped because the state wanted a 218 vote. Here's my question for you ... why didn't the LOCSD initiate the 218 vote process that the state wanted?Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-62853433056823703912007-06-09T11:03:00.000-07:002007-06-09T11:03:00.000-07:00I've never seen such stupidity! That poster is on...I've never seen such stupidity! That poster is one of the craziest people around. If it is a memeber of the CSD, then there is absolute proof why the went bankrupt. If the CSD even knows that poster, then they are either encouraging such comments or lying to give the idiot even more misconception to spout off about! If it's Al Barrow or Kieth Swanson, it's understable where the crap is coming from, but still not acceptible!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-31862809643099537142007-06-09T10:56:00.000-07:002007-06-09T10:56:00.000-07:00Anon 10:29's ignorance is surpassed only by his in...Anon 10:29's ignorance is surpassed only by his inability to state the obvious. If the project at Tri-W isn't stopped, there simply is no bankruptcy. Simple. Because there's no fines. There's no threat of CDO's and CAO's. There's no lawsuits. There's no pulling of the SRF loan. Period. End of sentence. End of story. Exclamatioin point. I just can't figure out what kind of dopey anti-reality these people have that they can't understand this. It's like dealing with pre-schoolers, I swear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-80069634916620660132007-06-09T10:52:00.000-07:002007-06-09T10:52:00.000-07:00Lisa and Gail will be prosecuted for violation of ...Lisa and Gail will be prosecuted for violation of the Brown Act and the illegal storage and destruction of Public Records and Documents!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-60592841231304922852007-06-09T10:45:00.000-07:002007-06-09T10:45:00.000-07:00Had the project not been stopped, the funding woul...Had the project not been stopped, the funding would have continued and the sewer would be half completed today!<BR/><BR/>Measure B has been struck down...twice!!<BR/><BR/>Both Lisa and Julie knew exactly what would happen BEFORE they halted the project.<BR/><BR/>Before this is all over Lisa and Julie WILL be procecuted for the misuse of public funds!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-46076059334557846272007-06-09T10:29:00.000-07:002007-06-09T10:29:00.000-07:00What "Shark" fails to mention is that Pandora and ...What "Shark" fails to mention is that Pandora and group (Richard, Gordon, and Stan) failed to give the voters their 218 on the Tri-W project before it started. We had the right to vote whether we wanted to be assessed for the project (the 2001 assessment vote was for the bond money, and that vote had a cap.) Then they started a project weeks before the election which has cost millions from the contractors lawsuits. Just imagine if they hadn't started the Tri-W. Just imagine if they could have held off just a month or so. But, no, they had to start Tri-W, so there would be no turning back. The loan was unsecured and the permits were bait & switch. Now that the county has the project and wants the blank check for an unknown project, again, we have a situation where there's no turning back. We will have layers of more assessments by allowing this (first) 218 vote to pass. This is only the beginning.<BR/><BR/>Pandora can take a huge amount of the blame. She not only endorsed starting the project without a vote, but took control of the project with the county at the time of the recall, and asked the RWQCB to fine us. She bankrupted the CSD along with the recalled 3. Look at what bankrupted this board: fines that she asked for, SRF money that had no secured funding, and contractors' lawsuits! Looks to me like it was Pandora and her board who did all the damage here.<BR/><BR/>You, "Shark", know better than most the real reason the Tri-W stopped. The state wanted a 218 before any more money was distributed and they wanted Measure B struck down.<BR/><BR/>Pandora's so-called vision of hope was a big lie!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-40871964547692135812007-06-08T23:36:00.000-07:002007-06-08T23:36:00.000-07:00Thanks Shark for pointing that out. I don't think...Thanks Shark for pointing that out. I don't think Pandora should be the poster child of the failures of this community.<BR/>The responsibility ultimately lies with those who decided that stopping the project would save our community from "?".<BR/>The delays cost us, not Pandora and a vision of hope. Hope still lies with many of us and we will vote to assess ourselves, again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-28238222370288600832007-06-08T22:25:00.000-07:002007-06-08T22:25:00.000-07:00To our anonymous friend of 9pm ... I find it inter...To our anonymous friend of 9pm ... I find it interesting that you're blaming Pandora for the really really high costs.<BR/><BR/>Had CASE, CCLO and LOTTF never thrown up roadblocks, hurdles and taken other actions to stop TriW at all costs ... surely the TriW sewer project would have already been finished and the cost would probably be about $140 per month. Any costs above that can be attributed to the desire to move the sewer no matter what it costs.Shark Inlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308339749797881391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-52010936385766177082007-06-08T22:20:00.000-07:002007-06-08T22:20:00.000-07:00To above:I don't think McPherson is doing anything...To above:<BR/><BR/>I don't think McPherson is doing anything right at all by promoting the 218. She's promoting the blank check, out of order, open-ended, no cap 218 -- with no economic impact analysis and ultimately no choice betwen the expensive and more expensive sewer, which right now could be Tri-W...even though she said last night at CSD closed session that Tri-W was dying a slow death in the fine screening.<BR/><BR/>To those who want me to die or disappear or both, you will be distressed and sad to hear that I can afford to remain in Los Osos and be your neighbor long after you can't afford to be mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-65824105614471956512007-06-08T22:08:00.000-07:002007-06-08T22:08:00.000-07:00Gail McPerson has been nothing but trouble for thi...Gail McPerson has been nothing but trouble for this community. But if she's promoting the 218, I'd say she's finally doing something right for the Los Osos homeowner.<BR/><BR/>As for your entry disappearing, if you disappear along with it, it can't happen quick enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-67368322088643136462007-06-08T21:59:00.000-07:002007-06-08T21:59:00.000-07:00Did anyone notice that "Gail McPherson Has a New T...Did anyone notice that "Gail McPherson Has a New Title" was pulled today from the Tribune Blog?<BR/><BR/>Must be that Lisa brought up blogs at last night's CSD meeting and they don't want an ex-con selling the county's process.<BR/><BR/>Gail apparently has pull at the Tribune and county.<BR/><BR/>She is using her non-profit status to push a political agenda (promoting the 218) which is illegal, but doing things illegally is nothing new to McPherson, and until somebody or something stops her she'll keep on doing it.<BR/><BR/>I guess Abe Lincoln was wrong. You can fool all the people all the time.<BR/><BR/>I wonder how long it will take for this entry to disappear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-18628082671013843762007-06-08T21:11:00.000-07:002007-06-08T21:11:00.000-07:00DEAR 8:38 PM, June 08, 2007WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAM...DEAR 8:38 PM, June 08, 2007<BR/><BR/>WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME PERSON! <BR/><BR/>MANY HOMEOWNERS CAN'T SUPPORT THE 218 (AND COMMENT THIS ON THIS BLOG) BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S DONE. THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO KNOW IT'S A BLANK CHECK.<BR/><BR/>ONLY SOME CAN AFFORD THE COUNTY'S PLANNED PROJECT. THIS IS EVIDENT BY THE FINE SCREENING WHERE THEY'VE TRIPLED THE PRICE OF WHAT STEP/STEG SHOULD BE AND LOWERED GRAVITY NUMBERS. IT'S A BLANK CHECK, AND I AGREE WITH AL BARROW AND OTHERS ABOUT THAT. I WILL NOT VOTE TO ASSESS MYSELF OUT OF MY HOME. I WON'T BE BLACKMAILED OR TRICKED (AGAIN)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-56031813813383243262007-06-08T21:00:00.000-07:002007-06-08T21:00:00.000-07:00To 8:13PM,You write: "You really are an angry sh...To 8:13PM,<BR/><BR/>You write:<BR/><BR/> "You really are an angry shit! I honestly hope you have a massive stroke and are gone so we don't have to pay any more welfare to keep you alive!"<BR/><BR/>I say: Aren't you nice? The truth gets you real angry huh? YOU have a temper problem.<BR/><BR/>Pandora got the county off the hook of building a sewer and helped to figure how to get JUST the PZ to pay without a vote. Oh, Pandora, the county hero who brought us to the place we are. The most expensive project anyone could DREAM of. She bankrupted the community. Blame her. She delivered the project to the county so she could have her TRI-W plant she's always wanted (if it's moved out of town, it's still the big monster that only someone with millions, like her, in their pocket can afford) -- she's treated Los Osos citizens like sheep and she's lead them to the slaughter house. Yes, she can afford to stay but by the time the county is done with us, we won't be able to afford to put food on the table or gas in the car! Imported water, deferred costs, more and more assessments, flood/storm water assessments, energy costs, and on and on. We could very well be looking at $600 a month. Thanks Pandora. NOW THAT'S HOW YOU CLEANSE A TOWN!<BR/><BR/>I hope all the people who support Pandora and the county process realize what they're voting for, not just for themselves but for their neighbors too.<BR/><BR/>P.S. I'm not on welfare. Keep up the lies to detract from the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13758431.post-61359438684665274922007-06-08T20:38:00.000-07:002007-06-08T20:38:00.000-07:00Anon 7:57 (aka Anon 7:38 and 7:19 and 6:51) shows ...Anon 7:57 (aka Anon 7:38 and 7:19 and 6:51) shows up here every night, my guess after he's tilted back a few, and spews his incredibly immature and ignorant stuff. Also known as Orenco Boy and Conspiracy Boy, his sole purpose is to try to persuade property owners to vote against the 218 and chase once again pie in the sky BS. I'm sure this will continue for, oh, another 3 or 4 months, then hopefully, he'll be gone (I think he's said he would move when/if the 218 passes).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com