Yes, it’s the Department of “There Is No Hope.”
I had a chance to sit in on Day One of the Regional Water Quality Control Board’s hearing regarding FINES!FINES!WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE IN THE STREETS LIKE DAWGS and observed two scary things:
1. Matt Thompson of the staff of the RWQCB presented a sort of “History of the World, Part I” to the Board. (Keep in mind, that the Board, made up of all sorts of people from all over, rely on staff for a great deal of their facts, upon which they make their decisions – decisions that can have profound impacts on whole communities.) So, Mr. Thompson puts up on the screen nitrate level charts that look strangely familiar. Then I realized why they looked familiar. I had seen them before, YEARS AGO, because they were the OLD, OUT-DATED CHARTS AND NUMBERS, all of which had been changed and superceded by the 2005 Cleath & Associates Water Basin Study.
Yet, there was The Staff, with a presentation, under oath, purporting to be factual and true, and given to The Board so they could have a “true picture” of the long history of this project for the new members who may not be familiar with it.
Luckily, a bit later, Rob Miller, the CSD’s Engineer, testified with the New! Improved! Updated! True Facts! from the newest water studies. Some of the Board members seemed to “get it.” So, I hope they will privately ask their staff, “Uh, can you please tell us, why YOU don’t have this Cleath & Assoc study and all the nice info on a CD, complete with waaaaay cool color overlays & etc so that YOU could have presented it as “true facts”?”
2. Creepiest of all, something that, alas, is to be found in Boards everywhere, is something that I’ll call “The Mike Drake Syndrome,” in honor of our former Public Information Officer who came to Los Osos and soon was using the term “We,” as in, WE have suffered THIRTY YEARS with these delays, How much longer should WE suffer? & etc. when, in reality, he’d only been in town a few weeks.
What some of the Board members appeared to be running in their heads were loops of old, false memory tapes, as in, For thirty years, YOU PEOPLE, have been . . . or YOU PEOPLE out there are ALL anti-sewer . . . or For THIRTY YEARS WE have watched as Los Osos has caused ALL of these problems (forgetting, conveniently, the RWQCB’s long history in this whole mess, a history of curiously spotty or non-existent “enforcement” coupled with hurry-up-and-do-anything, even the wrong thing, or we’ll shoot your dog lurches.) We? WE?
Why that all gets creepy is when you’re running old tape loops of false memory (or fragments of somebody else’s “history” – after all, most of these Board members, like Mr. Drake, are newly appointed and haven’t been dealing with this issue for very long at all) what happens is that you fail to see the REAL hoof prints on the ground in front of you. And you fail to understand that this project has been an ongoing process. Luckily, one of the Board members seemed to acknowledge that history has changed, that this has been a public educational process as well as a technically evolving one, and that new data and new approaches are sitting at the CSD table in front of him, right now – not 30 years ago.
It remains to be seen if that critical difference is shared by the rest of the Board. Or whether the Board wishes to understand the broader issues regarding WATER, rather than the narrowly focused issue of a wastewater plant that will not solve some of those critical WATER issues or whether there actually are options that would offer more flexibility for the future. Or even understand that sometimes the only way forward IS a step back.
Or whether this whole mess has now derailed into a personal matter involving egos, power, irritations, personality clashes and other human frailties.
In any case, the Board will meet again at 11 today, Dec 2nd., with public comment and renewed requests from the CSD for a continuance likely, and, in any event, I presume that whatever “verdict” is rendered, it will be appealed first to the State Water Board and from there, into court, because, so far, the CSD’s defense seems to rest on the RWQCB’s own long (30 years?)history of not fining the County (originally) and then not fining the various CSD Boards , for delays beyond the control of the CSDs. That is, until this CSD. And the evidence submitted by the CSD’s attorney(s) was that this CSD took no action, as a Board, to stop (delay) this project.
Instead, they voted on three things: (1) a stand-down allowed by the construction contract to reassess everything and rework the collection system to prepare for the possibility that Measure B would force them to build anywhere else but the Tri-W site, and (2 & 3) a vote to accept the “negotiated” “deal” with the State Water Board, which was then rejected by the State Water Board. Since none of those votes involved the CSD stopping this project, whatever happened outside the scope of those three votes, was beyond the control of the CSD.
And so the dance continues.
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Ann,
As always, a few comments are probably necessary.
Just because the RWQCB has been gracious to Los Osos in the past and had allowed additional time for us to fix our problems doesn't mean they are culpable.
Los Osos has now turned down two two "ready to go" projects only to say "we want to start over". How you can justify blaming the RWQCB for the decisions of people of Los Osos is beyond me. The RWQCB was very clear "if you vote for Measure B you'll get fined" and "if you stop the project you'll get fined." The recall candidates denied that fines would be imposed and asked us to vote for them and Measure B as well.
Because Los Osos signed the TSO and then chose to violate it, Los Osos should be fined. I hope that they are not, but they should be. In our society governed by laws, we don't get to choose to ignore laws we disagree with ... we are required to take action to change the laws if we don't want to suffer the penalties for breaking the laws.
The argument that Los Osos shouldn't be fined because the CSD would go bankrupt is ... um ... irrelevant. The argument that water quality will not be helped by fines is both irrelevant and risky. Risky mostly because this board may impose fines simply to impress their seriousness on other communities and perhaps because they feel that bankrupting the CSD might bring about a quicker change than following the current CSD's plan.
On your last point, Ann, there seems to be evidence about that our CSD had entered into settlement talks with CASE about the Measure B appeal without telling us they were going to and that a settlement had been reached before any "negotiations" with the state. I.e. Lisa and the board had already decided that they were going to drop the appeal against Measure B before they talked with the state and offered to continue to fight B.
The fact that this board campaigned for Measure B is further evidence that Measure B was not beyond the control of this board.
However, the RWQCB seems to be making a key point that you overlook. The CSD is the community, not the board. Yes, we vote to have the board make some decisions for us, but it is the CSD itself, the people, who voted for Measure B so the CSD itself which should be fined. In other words, the RWQCB seems to be saying that it is not just the actions of the board which are important, but the actions of the community as a whole.
Dear Inlet, what was really interesting in the hearing was the HISTORY of the RWQCB. Seitz went through the various milestones and timnelines and kept asking, basically, what enforcement did you do here? here? there? what about this? here? there? And the answer kept coming up -- zip. So it's fascinating to me, Why now? Also, if you have read the Octover 1998 Cuesta Engineering report for the RWQCB, the evaluation of the ponding system,you'll see that the RWQCB had already judged that the system wouldn't work, yet did nothing. Ditto when the county plan was ready to roll and the Solutions Group basically got a "stay" from the Coastal Commission. RWQCB also did nothing, even though, as they stated yesterday, Los Osos continued to violate the law and pollute the waters of the State of California & etc.
No, what's interesting here to me is Geese & Ganders. So I will ask again: Why THIS Board? Why THIS delay? Why NOW? And why the haste. (The emails between Pandora & Briggs -- in the request for continuance) are especially iteresting)
Regarding the settlement of the Measure B, what "evidence" do you refer to? (Is someone leaking closed session info to you?)
Some more interesting tidbits. filling in details that the Times Trivial had but did not report today.
First: Plaintiffs & Petitioners of this lawsuit just filed contesting Measure B:
Taxpayers Watch, An unincorporated association, Joyce Albright, Robert C. Crizer, And Christopher Isler.
Crizer & Isler are local builders. Don't know Albright.
Next: Googled "Taxpayers Watch" & got couple of hits with similar headings: "Roger Briggs-Taxpayers Watch Alert" From a document dated 10-21-05, the footing reads:
Taxpayers Watch is an unincorporated association dedicated to protecting the
quality of life in Los Osos.
Taxpayers Watch Information Contact: Gordon Hensley and Stan Gustafson
Email: Eyeongovernment@aol.com
Phone and Fax: 805-781-9384
Mail: P.O. Box 6884 Los Osos, CA 93412.
Google it, an interesting read...
Sharkey, Thank you again for your comments and thank you Ann for your blog and obvious commitment to our little "Bagdad by the Bay" I have a few questions:
Do either of you know of an instance of a community paying fines for anything like this?
What happened? Did everyone get a bill in the mail?
Did they fine every resident or only property owners?
Was the fine attached to the property tax bill?
Thanks for any reply, no jokes this time. Mike Green
Oh, Is it just me or are a lot of bloggers and commentators calling the Tribune the "Trivial" now? I want a little recognition here, Mike Green
All respect Mike. Fell out of my chair when I first read it. Is it more of a waste of a tree to make it into copies of the TT or turn it into chopsticks?
Chopsticks are (I think) made from bamboo, but I certainly get your point, I weep for the poor trees destined to become Triv. fodder.
But then again, I being a natural jester, would be even MORE saddened if there were no "Triv."
It's a great source of material!
Remember the story about a couple of editors there having a contest to see who could get the word "snatch" printed the most? Now That was funny!Mike Green
Why fines now when there were none earlier?
There had always been the promise earlier that action would be taken and there was always some evidence of progress that could be pointed to or some evidence of an issue that was really beyond the control of the district. In this case the issue "beyond the control" of the district is that the district itself decided not to pursue TriW ... not really beyond the control of the district at all. Also, with no evidence of any progress being made and no demonstrated ability to make any progress in the future, it seems this new group will be doing nothing to improve water quality at all. (One could argue that if they wanted to pursue an out of town plant they played their cards wrong when stopping construction so quickly and by their now refusal to fight Measure B.)
Furthermore, when one of my kids says "you can't discipline me for being sassy becuase you've never grounded me in the past for that" I happily say "there's a first time for everything." One must know that the RWQCB must eventually act on such matters and they were pretty damn clear that the would this time before the election even occured.
Why are you surprised that they followed through on their stated plans?
Sharkey, I may be wrong here, me being just a jester,but the contracts with the contractors stated that a "halt" could be called for 90 days with no penalty, time aint up yet, is the delay by the water gods (SRWB RCWB) trying to insure noncompliance? Is there a chance that it could be argued that as individual citizens the three new members can not be held accountable now for measure B, because they are "elected"? I refer to your comments about who is responsible and culpable.Mike Green
ps, I bet your kids are well behaved
A halt to construction, even if it is ok as part of a contract, is between the CSD and the contractors.
A halt to construction, as it relates to stopping progress on a system, is an enforceable action.
Can it be argued what you are saying - sure, the CSD will argue anything I guess. The issue isn't about citizens who are elected, it's about the district which acts to stop a project, regardless of who's elected. Sure the contracts allow 90 days, so if the district resumes working on the entire project, the fines would likely go away - not holding my breath on that happening.
The entire project? Where dose it say that? What if they found a creek under a road?
And had to delay the project? I see it as a questionable call, And as far as I know The law people love that stuff.
Just playing a jester's advocate here.Mike Green
chopsticks:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopstick.
Chopsticks,useful tools that they are, help people eat. The TT, a historic fishwrapper, feeds disinformation to the public through years of sloppy journalism & bias. Between the 2, I'll take the sticks. Betcha Bamboo to Briggs, a lot of sloppy staff reporting is getting a second look by the water gods. The hearing didn't go as vengefully swift & sure as some were hoping it would, now did it? Brave stand by our board, our interim manager, & our legal team. Funny & sad to think about the kind thinking that continues to rationalize & root for this governmental strongarm bullying against our town.
Uh O.K I'm dropping the "jester" stuff
It may be having a bad infuence.Mike Green
sorry, influence (sp)?.Mike Green
To all: Somewhere up in the State Water Board archives (Inlet probably has the exact webpage) is the Staff Report for Regular Meeting of July 9, 2004, Item #19, Consideration of Enforcement Alternatives for Baywood Park/Los Osos, SLO. It's a staff report that's basically a "call & response" type evaluation of various enforcements -- in real world, on the ground terms -- with the pros and cons of each action. It's interesting reading if for no other reason that to illuminate the complexity of it all.
Also, I'm not sure if this hearing may help to legally define just what everyone means. It's been raised here, just what IS a "CSD?" A board? The People? If it's The People, then is it all the people within the Urban Reserve line? If so, why or on wht legal basis could you fine people living in Cabrillo Estates since they're "innocent" of polluting anything. Ditto the folks on the east side of South Bay Blvd. I mean, if this is a fine that's suppose to ensure compliance (Briggs definition) then these folks aren't doing anything that would require compliance. If the "CSD" is only people in the prohibition zone, and you fine them for non-compliance, and they go to court and say, But I voted FOR the sewer, why are you punishing me, then do you get into a situation that fines would be based on how people voted in a secret ballot? And if the CSD is The Board, then The Board can only act by the trhee things Seitz mentioned, motion, something and something, and this Board has only voted on three things since taking office, none of which "stopped" anything. (If you look at the history of this project, you'll see the nearly perfect match when the Coastal Commission held the permit from the county (beyond the county's control) when the CSD was first formed, (The RWQCB did nothing, even though it had already written it's Oct report noting that the Ponds wouldn't work) and this Measure B election, which "legally" held everything in abeyance -- at least until the courts could sort it all out -- which was equally beyond the control of the CSD, yet Briggs was preparing the ACL even before the election had been certified. Why?
I also find the parallells amazingly close: The County had a sewer plant ready to go, it only needed Coastal Commission permits. The Solutions Group wanted to "move the sewer." Their plan had already been examined and they were warned by the RWQCB that it wouldn't work. But the RWQCB did nothing, for years while the community of Los Osos polluted the waters of the State (to use the Board Prez' words) Fast forward to 2005. The new board wants to "move the sewer." with plans that were vetted by the State Water Board's Polhemus, plans that were o.k.ed as meeting the nitrate requirements, etc. the CSD entered into negotiations to find a way to make that happen, with a projected 2 year delay. (Again, a reminder: the 1998 CSD went through a 2 year delay, with no consequences from the RWQCB) While those negotiations were going on, the RWQCB had already prepared its ACL papers. Again, nearly identical situations, vastly different responses. Why?
Anybody familiar with the timelines of this whole mess, will find so much of what the RWQCB has done very, very curious. And perhaps all of that will have to be sorted out in a court of law.
Regulatory agencies have turf and budgets and careers and egoes to protect and often run amok when the professional turns personal. Or, as what happened in day 1 of the hearing, they are fed OLD, OUT OF DATE DATA, and if they don't hear otherwise, they end up making decisions based on wrong info. Or, as I've already pointed out, make decisions based on OLD stereotypes from an inheritited "story" that my be only partially right or has been retold so many times it's gotten as distorted as that party game "telephone" until it comes out an awful jumble of half-truths. That's always the danger of such a long-running issue. And I can certainly see it playing out here.
In the wee hours of the morning, after the election, but before anything was officially called, Pandora emailed Briggs and asked if there were any way the project could be secretly and quickly "taken away" from the CSD and transfered to The County before the new board could be certified. Does enyone know if Pandora had been given advance assurrance or some kind of written notice that county engineering would accept the project as designed and take it over and start building immediately?
Good points all, Churadogs. Did you happen to note how VERY INTERESTED Mr. Young was in the fact that the current design would only recharge 10% of the water? This is a very important point regarding the flaws in the current design. It goes along quite well with your arguement that these boards get stale, canned, often bad/inaccurate, or NONEXISTENT information from their staff people. Bravo Bravo Bravo James Tekach!!! Let's hear it for public comment that brings out the true facts!
I have to take some time to digest what Ann just wrote.
On Mike's point, that the contracts allow for a "halt" in the construction ... the contracts allow the SWRCB to command such a halt. If the LOCSD wants to take such an action, it would need to be pre-approved by the SWRCB staff. The contract is very clear and specific on this matter. The contract furthermore says that if the LOCSD even hints that they are delaying the construction, they are in violation of the contract.
My question is "did the LOCSD get the work stoppage approved?". If not, the LOCSD is the party who chose to break the contract. That the SRF money was witheld is a natural response to the LOCSD actions and that the loan is about to be cancelled is a natural response to the LOCSD actions.
Here is the problem ... right after the election this new board took action without thinking through the consequences of their actions. They furthermore should have fought Measure B as quickly as possible to see what the courts would think about the legality of the Measure. What they should have done is to send a memo to the SWRCB indicating that Measure B is problematic and that they are going to change gears with the construction until the courts can verify the legality of B. This would demonstrate a committment to continue with the TriW project (as is required by the contract). During the timeperiod that the legality of B was being determined, the LOCSD could have attempted to deal with the SWRCB and RWQCB with respect to the possible moving of the plant.
Oh, one more jab at Ann based on yesterday's testimony of Darrin. He was very clear to point out that in his estimation, moving the plant out of town would NOT reduce the costs. He said that at the best, the costs wouldn't change very much but at the worst, the costs would be higher.
Yes, cheaper on O&M, but more expensive in other ways.
In other words, Darrin is telling us that Lisa has been fibbing to us since the "negotiations" where she told us that even the state admits we could save money.
I wonder whether he has any respect for Lisa or Dan?
Here's a question: where is Sam Blakeslee in all of this? "Negotiating" with Pandora? What is his position on this loan default issue?
Ann,
The CSD is the district, including Cabrillo. So it is perfectly correct, in fact, it's very appropriate that the people in Cabrillo get fined.
Why? They made in part the decision to enact Measure B - even though they are not in the pro-zone, the location mattered so much for at least over 30 of them. The district's function is to put in a project, and thus they are liable. Not only that, they acted, by their election of the board, to stop the project and terminate contracts - so Cabrillo gets to share in any termination costs, if the district has to eat them - you woulda think they might have thought about that before they voted. Too bad, it's too late now.
But you illustrate a big problem - the project is for the pro-zone, not the district. Allowing the district to vote subjects the property owners to continued rejection - it's a similar argument to the 218 vote. How can anyone support a 218 vote, and then turn around and allow a district vote to veto 218 votes?
As your regard to allowing another 2 year delay. What if the new board screws up, and we elect another board in 3 years. Should they get another 2 year delay? and so on and so on?
The RWQCB's action is not curious. In a way they simply are reinforcing why the old board was so stubborn in going forward, and for one reason - to avoid fines.
The curious thing about the mix of regulatory agencies, was the playing of Gerhard Huebner stating that the RWQCB could not extend the time, because the state board did not want enforcement provisions relaxed. The district points at the RWQCB, the RWQCB points at the SWRCB, and the SWRCB points at the district - nice merry go-round. And then every year the CC gets thrown in for good measure to screw things up.
But the bottom line at this point in time is, the district could have avoided the 'wrath' of the state if it had not stopped or resumed the project.
What would you say if there was a state initiative to not allow military bases in California because they are a burden on the people. Would you expect the US to simply sit by?
The real interesting statement in the meeting was the district bringing up that the state had the option of picking up the project in the contract. Interesting, that if the state was so interested in the project continuing, why would it not do just that, but instead play the role of 'not my job'.
Oh,
btw, the recharge is not 10%, it's 25-30%.
Can you direct me to the 25-30% recharge documentation? Thank you.
The reason I ask is because I heard a representative from Cleath say 10% recharge. (not just James, Lisa, et al.)
the Cleath report,
when did you hear them say that?
I have a feeling I know where Sam is. He's hiding as far away from us as possible, playing cards with Lois and Able.
Los Osos is a political "Third Rail"
Sam touched it and lived, I doubt if he'll try that again. Talk about lose- lose. If they jump in and smack down the water gods, it means they don't care about clean water. If they go the other way, it will mean they don't like elections. I know that this may sound simpleminded, but politicians always play to the lowest common denominator
That may be one of our biggest problems of all.Mike Green
I don't remember the meeting date but it was about two months ago on Channel 20. I'll try to verify this from Cleath/CSD documents this week.
Dear Inlet, regarding your question as to why the new CSD couldn't / didn't "do someting" about Measure B & etc. If my memory serves, the OLD CSD went to the SWB to ask for a $40 million increase in an unsecured loan, and the SWB granted it on the basis of the vote of three board members which the SWB KNEW were under threat of recall, and the SWB KNEW about Measure B, and two CSD Board members pleaded with the SWB NOT to grant the increase, to WAIT unitl the election to issue the funds, to WAIT until Measure B could be ajudicated & etc. The SWB refused. Then, before the election, the community begged the old CSD to WAIT before pounding all those millions into the ground and the old CSD refused. If you want to argue that a big mess could have been avoided or mitigated or the plant could have been cooperatively moved & etc, then you'll have to deal with the actions of the OLD CSD, not the new one.
As for Mr. Polhemus' estimates -- given by phone, I presume, during the second day of hearings -- I find it good news that he estimates that the costs would be about the same but apparently the out of town site would save on O&M&R costs?? (This estimate of his is really disturbing because, if you believe his estimates, then that means the OLD CSD wasn't telling us the truth; they repeatedly told us moving the plant out of town would be WAAAAAAY more expensive, not break even with savings on O&M) As far as I'm concerned, considering what O&M&R costs are likely to be as time goes on, that's very, very good news. And something the community should be given a chance to evaluate and decide on, don't you think?
Go check out Steve's Blog, He's ripping the loan box open and "suprise"Its full of squeeky smelly RATS, I wish I just had all the legal training to completly undestand it to it's fullest.Mike Green
As to your recent LONG post, Ann, you are suggesting that there is something wrong with the RWQCB deciding that they want to fine the CSD now but they seemed willing back in 1998 to allow the formation of a CSD.
I would like to suggest that it may simply be a case of "we've run out of patience with you people ... you've continued to make promises on top of promises and you've not lived up to any of them." Frankly I am not surprised at all. Back in 1998 they were saying "we'll give you another chance" but earlier in 2005 they were saying "if you vote for the recall and Measure B and if you stop the TriW project you'll get fined."
You say conspiracy, I say frustration.
Darrin was very clear that he was INCLUDING the O&M costs when he said the out of town plant would not save money.
You seem to think that the savings from O&M will be somehow large. The savings would be at most $15/month per household (I guess this is sort of large, once we talk 5000 households on a yearly basis) but amount is about the same as the cost of two or three years of inflation due to moving the plant out of town. Once we talk about losing the SRF it is clear that this board doesn't care about the cost/month (or that they screwed up so big in their first week that they can't figure out how to recover). Do you really think (as Lisa seems to) that we can just get back in line and have our application approved? Oh yeah, we have to design a plant and collection system first ... and that takes money which we don't have and won't without a 218 vote ... which won't pass because the property owners have already paid for a plant design that they approve of.
Face it, there is no way that your board will be able to pull off what they've promised during the election. Their choices have only brought additional costs, pain and misery to our community. How you continue to defend their actions is beyond me.
As to the costs and why the previous board said it would be too expensive to move the plant ... moving it would mean that we lose the low interest loan which means that it does cost more per month ... even if it does cost less in some way.
Ann, if you are arguing that the community should be given a chance to evaluate and decide, why would you support this current board who has worked behind the scenes at every turn to NOT let us have any input and has refused the only opportunity to let us actually vote on the project site.
Your board is, if nothing else, no better than the previous board. Why you can't see it is a mystery.
I say call a doctor! It's a clear cut case of "Drake's Dementia"Mike Green
When you check that report, make sure you distinguish and include both upper and lower re-charge.
Have fun reading on your homework assignment.
Dear Inlet, regarding the old Board saying the out of town site would be waaaaay more expensive. We were told that waaaaay before any loans were secured. We were told that waaaaay before the final Coastal Commission hearing. The Coastal Commission de-novo hearing was told that again, but NOT told, that the CC staff actually "didn't have time" to actually take a comparative look, even though the CC had specifically requested that they do so. Had the out of town site been accurately evaluated, then the people would have been given two real choices: in-town, out of town, complete with full prices, O&M costs etc. and given a Prop-218 vote which would have secured the SRF loan and that would have been that.
And now to add to the mix, have you read the article in the latest Bay News, on the "On-site Sewer Gizmo . . ." I spoke with Frank Freiler yesterday and was told that onsite systems were NEVER given a fair hearing, EVER. Since Frank served on the CSD Board for years, especially during the early Let's Look At Everything Years, I'll take him at his word. So, now the question, will they be seriously looked at this time? Again according to Frank, microchip technology has made enormous strides and looking at the water-reuse benefits, these on-site technologies are really really interesting to me. Let's hope that while the various behemoth dinosaurs (in town/ out of town humongous collection and humongous treatment plants) duke it out, maybe people should be paying attention to the EPA recommended on-site systems as a far better way. I would LOVE to have my treated waste water go directly from the treatment tank and right onto my xerescaped yard, wouldn't you? Think of the deep aquifer water you'd save that way. Not to mention no torn up streets, no millions of water dumped up on Broderson, no expensive "mitigation" no lawsuits from in-town/out of towners, nothing. Just a Company operating like the Old Ma Bell, keeping your system running for a monthly fee that may end up being cheapest of all. And if someone doesn't want to keep their system running properly, THEY would pay the cost,THEY would get to deal with roger Briggs, not me, and not the rest of the community.
Let me remind you Ann, that Darrin's testimony recently during the RWQCB hearing showed that the possible out of town plants would likely be more expensive. If people are complaining about the costs now, don't you think they would complain about even greater costs?
About the fancy gizmo ... it might be what people do need to do. Unfortunately, with a $15k buy-in plus $100/month it would be about as expensive as the TriW plant was supposed to be. Until the lawsuit and other delays, the TriW site was cheaper.
If the CSD wants to take ownership of getting of these gizmos for each and every home they could do some good.
Wow, Posting comments in prehistory,It's all musty in here.
Ann, Does your Archive not go into '04
in other words do the older Posts drop off as time progresses?
You alert by email to new postings, such as this one.
Funny to see the comments only 10% recharge to 25%
Anyway This is 50 days before the draft EIR comments are due and the deep aquifer is threatened from the south and west
poisoned and salted
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