In her recent formal complaint to County Counsel, Warren Jensen, former CSD Director Lisa Schicker included about a bazillion pages of documents. Mr. Jensen issued a preliminary report declaring, "Move Along, Nothing To See Here, We'll Look Into The Other Pages, Oh, Sometime, Maybe, And Get Back To You," while the Tribune trumpeted that the charges had been "dismissed," without adding the words, "for now," or "pending," to the headline.
Missing in all this "Jeeze, let's get this off the table and out of the public eye" is this hard lesson of history: If there is some way for somebody to derail or delay the sewer project, they will.
Depend on it.
One of the strongest smart moves the County did when they took over this project was to promise to keep The Process . . . clean. No sticky fingers on the scales, no back-room deals, no funny, sotto voce promises. CLEAN.
Then the promised "real" design-build went off the table, heh-heh, the project was suddenly cut up into pre-determined pieces and we had, ker-poof! a "short list" of qualified contractors with a set "to-do" project, rather than a real open design-build bidding process. And in the middle of that, several players who may or may not be tangled up in the bazillion pages of documents submitted for review.
That's not "clean." That's not "Caesar's Wife," not only being above suspicion but needing to keep the appearance of being above suspicion.
That's also not smart because an "unclean" process can leave too many legal "hooks" that can be used to ju-jitsu this project off the rails. The more legal hooks, the more ju can be jitsued.
Which is why the BOS needs to put Mr. Jensen back to work AND hire a neutral, outside review of the whole bidding process to make sure it's clean, make sure there are no legal , "bright-line hooks" that can come back to trip everyone up. Such a review won't delay anything since it can run simultaneously as this project makes its way forward. (And with the BOS hearings and the Coastal Commission reviews coming up, there'll be plenty of time for proper pauses and slight refinement/changes.)
True, a neutral, professional review may cost a bit, but suppose that review finds a few loose nails laying on the tracks. A few "bright line" nails. And removes them BEFORE the train hurtles down the track.
Near as I can tell, that'd be penny wise and about a bazillion pounds-wise as well.
Saturday, August 22, 2009
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 240 of 240Neither Alon nor "Mike" nor Lynette will face me personally, so I got nothing more to add here. Sticks and stones, my friends.
Lies and cowardliness are childish I agree.
Pointing it out is what responsible parents do.
FRANK 4
WOW, This BROKE the Bank, best check the NASDAC, we are in hyperinflation.
Ann
Frank 4 There is a special type of sneaky schoolyard Character assasination, in Los Osos, It involves capturing comments on blogs and taking them out of context. very affective especially since the targets can't respond.
I could easily come up with the wording-Don't need spies for this one.
Who sent the Email? Can you forward it to me? probably fake address. Most likely the person who the Oches don't like and who is behind the scenes for Lisa's error in oversubmitting. kill two birds with one stone. Aaron is honest enough to email under his own name I will grant him that.
Once again Osos is played
And as for "will face me personally"
the little snot took a "Personal threat" out of an (admittedly rude) peace talk offering,
won't face me.
Ann, since 200 is the most the page can handle I suggest Ann, since 200 is the most the page can handle I suggest we move it up the list, suggested topic "Sewer dogs"
Once again Osos is played
Aaron, most of your drivel is self contradictory. The topic of- Long Complaint, being better for Los Osos, then a 40 page one; demonstrates on this very string how you contradict people than take their conclusions as your own. AND THAT IS THE REASON PEOPLE DON'T LIKE YOU.
The people reading this blog arn't dumb.
As for my self control, I can turn it on and I can turn it off. This comes with age. I was pretty messed up when I was your age but Even at eleven I had figured out that most people tell themselves lies about themselves to cope with the world. Later became a scientist. there is a nexus.
The oldest trick in the book, call me mysoginist and therefore I have insulted About 4 billion people? I was going to post that and noticed that you had followed it up Alon has made derogatory comments about women that were, in my opinion, perverse in nature
Well young stud, as protector of all maidenhoods, that remark should get you plenty of breeding opportunities.
I found only the two emails, and I wont have time to search, till tomorrow (plenty of dead time), You could post the dates, but I think you really are just holding back. I’ve done a lot of good things for Los Osos, some bad, I have a body of work including shortest submissions to the Planning commish. I doubt I’ve got a complete skeleton out there, A Scapula, some vertebrae.
Remember Aaron, you have a history of dragging people onto this Blog, just to show off your cleverness.
Ms. K is currently dealing with a matter of a personal nature, and may not want to be in the public eye right now. Ms L on the other hand is engaging in activities that are more likely to move the project back to Tonini Or MIDTOWN WWW, it’s called unintended CONSEQUENCES (ONE WORD)
you ARE A REAL time BANDIT
I surrender- I could never embarrass you more than you have embarrassed yourself.
summer’s almost OVER Aaron, it is too late for me, I’ve been mainlining Sewer for four years and can’t Kick the Habit, Get out if you can Aaron.
I was going to insert this as a link, but you will just have to cut and paste.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWXcjYNZais
The oldest "tricks" in the book were performed by politicians and prostitutes.
It's just getting more difficult to distinguish which is which and who is who.
Daydream
Alon,
You have yet to show me where I've contracted myself.
Here's something I don't get.
You keep saying that I'm trying to act high and mighty, trying to force people on the blog to show off my "cleverness." You keep firing one statement out of another with each one making less sense than the first.
I'm reminded of the times I talked to you outside the South Bay Community Center and you expressed your loathing of those who "did not include you" in the November 2008 election -- and you swore that their time was coming.
A few months later we bump into Farmer's Market and you talked about who is a real environmentalist and who isn't. Then you rattled off a few names of people and you had some choice words about them. Ever since the day you gave me your paper that listed your experiences and candidate positions, I looked at your paper and then looked at what you've said about people -- and then it hit me.
All you've done is insult others. When we talked about issues such as Martha Goldin's Microphonegate, you said, "I checked the tapes. I am right, you are wrong," and I said, "Let's agree to disagree," but you persisted. After that, you would say something cheeky about me, so I was thinking, "Why is this guy obsessed with me? What did I do to him?"
Then I figured I had to put my foot down and delete one of your comments, which reiterated your disagreement about Goldin -- and then the disagreement started mutate into a personal attack against me and my family. You didn't like that deletion so I get a call on my cell at 9 and a voicemail:
"I don't know if you saw -- or if you saw the comment I put on your blog last night... and I put work into it. Aaron, I don't know if you delete -- but if you did and you don't call me by six, face the consequences."
I transcribed your voicemail.
Then you called my home because I didn't call you back right away. That goes beyond disagreement right there -- and goes right into stalking.
Then I wrote you an e-mail, which you didn't post here:
Alon,
I deleted your comments because I found your comments to be baiting and belittling. When I deleted your comments, I didn't ban you from the blog or prevent you from making any more comments. There have been a series of comments that you've made, which were demeaning in a sense that you were saying in your way, "I'm right and you're wrong," while going back to issues discussed several weeks ago only to reiterate how wrong I was several more times. The focal point in a lot of comments has usually been me, not the issues that are currently being discussed. Also, you've been focusing on how our newspaper failed to transcribe something or take into account your interpretation of events that transpired at the BOS meetings (most notably, the Goldin incident). To me, the repetition of all these components show that (1) you have some personal vendetta against me or The ROCK and/or (2) you have a lot of anger that's being expressed in a way that is unnecessary.
I have been extremely cordial to you and I have told you -- quite a few times -- that I was irked by your presentation, but this "holier than thou" mentality that keeps appearing in your commentary shows that my message is not getting through. It seems my message isn't getting through because I'm so wrong according to you -- in some instances -- that anything else I say (beside parts of my opinion that you take exception to) is not worthy enough to be acknowledged. That attitude is disrespectful and I don't appreciate being disrespected. You're not embarassing me (thanks for trying!) but you have been disrespectful. Last night, I had to put my foot down and say, "Okay, this isn't working out so let's start over," and I apologize for not stating my intentions after I removed your comments, but I had to show you where you have crossed the line.
You call yourself a centrist in a divided town and a "self-appointed" government watchdog, but what sort of centrist in a divided town and political watchdog makes threats to "easily escalate" a situation? That's unacceptable.
You call my personal cell phone, early in the morning, to complain about me removing one comment from my blog? That's unacceptable.
You call my home in an attempt to bring my father into a discussion regarding my blog? That's unacceptable.
And you're saying, after all of the things you've said and done, that I take things personally? You are right about that to an extent. I do, but only when people constantly attack my character, my family and the publication I work for. That's when I have to say, "Enough is enough."
Do I take everything else personally? Absolutely not. I mentioned that many of the anonymous opinions regarding the Los Osos sewer are wacky and hilarious. I've been laughing and asking, "Are these people serious?" instead of itching for a fight. I love to debate and I love to spar rhetorically with people, but I don't let these discussions swirl around in my head or my personal life. Ironically, you say I'm taking everything too personally and yet you're still checking the tapes.
I think you need to lay off me. If you want to hold me accountable for my words, that's fine, but going after my character is not the way to hold me accountable. If you continue to belittle me, I will cease communication with you.
Aaron
Nothing would happen for several months, but recently, things started to heat up -- and then you were implying that I'm the "center of the universe," a charge that you also levied when I talked about Tornatzky's claim that key players refused to be interviewed -- and never once did I mention myself (or ever want to) as a key player.
For a marine biologist, you sure have a lot of expertise in the art of harassment.
I don't care if people like me or don't like me. That's what politics has come down to. "I don't like you so I'm not going to work with you," but the very same people have been toting the idea of unity and common ground -- so which one is it Alon? You talk about being a centrist who talks to "both sides," but do you listen to them?
I doubt it.
Why don't you talk about the issues instead of obsessing about how much of an embarrassment you think I am? Let's go back to the discussion that we should be having, alright?
Let's not and say we did.
I'll not respond to your comments
If you don't respond to mine.
Peace
Out
to correct the record-I never said I was a marine biologist.
What are you?
Why wasn't vacuum collection studied?
Say what you need to say…
Toy Soldiers
WM
Thank you for the honorable mention earlier.
I am that I am,
Or in a version that is Old School and not "PC" submittable,
Perhaps you meant a slightly differently worded question?
My CV, however, is posted on the same ballot as President Obama's at smartvoter dot org
u-know the zip
The kids are alright, but you may not be.
or not…
Another long day, eh?
It's been a long Decade, WMark
Shorter Days=Longer Nights and yet it still turns and turns
Looks Like we have this back water of a Comment section to ourselves, till Ann lets the Dogs out in the yard again.
I'm at work- Long tedious hours interrupted by hair raising moments of sheer bordom, and unless I update my operating system today, only partial web access.
It took me a while to realize that there were 2 links though.
When you repost this at some future date (And I do Insist that You Post This One Multiple Times.
I suggest that you separate
Or Not
because it looks like ONE link and since I accidentally opened it video first, and didnt really get it, but was curious and went back
than by chance the Text, it was more powerfull that way.
I've done it below to demonstrate
what I'm talking about.
CAN
DO
Planet Dune, (Frank Herbert)
He willingly gave his water to the desert!
Cape Coral City Council on the hot seat
Regarding the linkage I posted- “Stay Sharp”-precision counts.
Your link about Frank is broken.
...I see the suckling is still trying to play schoolyard bully... Alon has pegged the welp with much nicer terms than I...
I and a few others I have spoken with, have lost all respect for Aaron, he apparently felt that inventing a provocative antisemitic slur and then trying to attribute that to me was some cutsy game... That slur was deliberate and intentional on Aaron's part...!!! That has been the way the obstructionists attacked the pre-recall Directors... Pure LIES and enuendo... Aaron can't handle any disagreement, he has to always be perfect or he will make up LIES...!!!!
There must be some mental condition the youngster suffers, he must have burnt out on his recreational drugs and now he has to live at home so his mom and dad can protect him from himself... He is about as mentally unstable as Al Barrow... Do they both take the same "medicine"....????
People know what ReApprazor has said and done. Call it lies and innuendo if you like, but -- forgive me for the "name-calling," Lynette -- you're a bigot. You're a very hateful old man. Unfortunately, people will never be able to see what you posted on the SanLuisObispo.com discussion boards. I did. I e-mailed the people you targeted and the consensus I got was that your comments were "frightening."
Your comments made me wonder if you've ever spent time in prison.
With that said, I can say with confidence that Los Osos is done with you, old man. You said what you had to say -- and now, intolerance is out. Ideas are in.
...thankfully, you Aaron are neither God or owner of this blog... Go get a life, a girl friend and a job... It's time you grew up little boy...!!! KMA
The only thing missing from the grave that you dug for yourself is you.
Before I see my girlfriend and head back to work, I wanted to say one more thing.
Thank you, Alon. Thank you for the truce. I'll respect it and will respect you.
MIKE little mouse,
It appears you have it backwards about who lies.
How did you research in Florida go?
Did you ever have that drink with sorry, I forgot his last name Lynette?
There is plenty of lies being handed out by those who claimed to have actually studied alternatives and are claiming that a design build process is underway.
When the "funding" efforts begin, so will the fun.
A couple of county heavy equipment operators stealing doesn't compare with the $7M study of alternatives.
There are plenty of lies being handed out by those who claimed to have actually studied alternatives and are claiming that a design build process is underway.
....so tell us Mark, just how is the Wrecklamator (one of YOUR alternatives) going to be the system for Los Osos... YOU pushed that awfully hard and then in the end, you were run out of town and the Wrecklamator never worked, never proved anything and Tom had to be evicted for not paying his rent... Sure sounds like you just lied and then had to run away.... Wonder why the County doesn't believe you or answer your assinine comments/questions...
Appeals anyone?
http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/PW/LOWWP/Appeals_from_action_of_13Aug2009.htm
A slice of lemon in mine please.
Thanks Tooncers.
and my Babbage II Steam powered Computer can actually open them!
LIVE-Link resupplied, in order to reduce the carbon footprint of computer usage. (With every click of the mouse a pine needle shrivles up and dies)
No. Appeal # Appellant
--- -------- ----------
1. 781 Don Bearden
2. 782 Steven Paige
3. 783 Vivian & Barry Branin
4. 784 Bruce Corelitz (Bear Valley Land Stewardship Alliance)
5. 785 SE Acquisition of Los Osos Mortuary & Memorial Park, Inc., dba Los Osos Valley Memorial Park:
Dennis Law, Attorney for appellant
6. 786 JH Edwards Company
7. 787 Piper Reilly
8. 788 Linde Owen
9. 789 Keith Wimer
10. 790 Martha Goldin
11. 791 Elaine Watson
12. 792 Al Barrow (Citizens for Affordable & Safe Environment & Coalition for Low Income Housing)
13. 793 Surfrider Foundation, SLO Chapter
Jeff Penak, Chairman
14. 794 Al Barrow/Los Osos Legal Defense Fund
Jesse Hill, Attorney for Appelant
15. 795 Sierra Club Andrew Christie
16. 796 Chuck Cesena
-----------------------------------
Misspellings in the index -Jeff Pienak
Keith Wimer was probably intended to also have full (LOSG) in index.
Al Barrow 2 Appeals-The 4 page one with a lawyer attached, refers back to the 146 page one.
3 appeals appear to be identical. So in reality 14 unique appeals, with a certain amount of duplication within that set.
How much time will each appeal be given?
this Question that may or may not be answered by 7-29-09 9AM
Well that killed about an hour of my life. Only 175,200 (Maximal) to go!
Legalese;
This poster reserves the right to attempt to repost this material to a comment field on a later edition, at a later date on this blog, this statement is in no way intended to restrict the right of this Blog's Author to delete any or all postings by this Poster
Some of those ought to be great fun to read... Piper and Linde's have got to be like Pulp Fiction...
Is it true that Al's was delivered with a prescription for Thioridazine...???
Oh well, enough fun with the next delay coming to Los Osos... The Tri-W site looks better with each appeal...
MIKE little mouse: The county actually dismissed the on-site system you mentioned "by name" even though they never studied it.
When properly managed that design does denitrify to below the very arbitrary standard set by the WB in the even more arbitrary PZ vand would eliminate the need for and cost of a “collection conveyance” to and cost of a treatment site.
Are you on medication for a medical condition that prevents you from concentrating or that gives you short term memory loss?
It appears you aren't tracking in regards to the question about study of alternatives so I'll ask again:
Why wasn't vacuum collection studied?
The county should have actually studied vacuum collection in a study of alternatives. They didn’t…
Instead they spent $7M pretending to study and then issued a RFQ for a design that is not an alternative.
I know why and Paavo knows why even if you don't.
The county is so broke it will be hard for Paavo to accomplish what he thought he could when he begain his "process", ask him.
Factor in the internet and the corruption being looked into by the State and others and it is even more difficult to pull off "business as usual". Aren't you getting that, yet?
I'm pitching a healthy dose of truthfulness and honesty at this time.
As the rest of the process plays out there will be ample opportunity for you to become informed about what it is I am doing even as you try to remain willfully ignorant.
I'm pitching a healthy dose of truthfulness and honesty as the rest of the process plays out there will be ample opportunity for you to become informed about what it is I am doing even as you try to remain willfully ignorant.
Sorry that YOU don't "get it" Mark... YOU wore out your welcome with the County and the community... NOTHING YOU can present will be taken seriously... maybe a different sales person, but not you....
There are too many of the same cast of circus characters repeatedly parading before the BOS... they just don't need an out of towner, you have been scratched from the line up and now to be ignored... That's just reality...
Why haven't you posted the response from Paavo...??? How much more do you need to understand that you will not be listened to...??? You are outside the community and have been found to be merely a distraction and not a solution to any of the complex issues facing this community...
Finally, pushed off the front page.
Marcus, I owe you a link to dune the desert planet.
I'll comment on it, link, on about 9/11 anniversary.
Tells of a revolution, a religeous campeign. the greening of a planet. the fremen also known as fedyakin. The holy war. The suits that recycle water, the water conservation culture. Muaddib the leader massiah, who took the name of the kangaroo rat etc...
Correction; every click of the mouse, a pine needle dies, then dessicates, and lays in wait, to incarnate, to rise in smoke from a time-distant fire.
MIKE little mouse:
Sorry for your misunderstanding.
I'll give you all the time you need as seeing is believing.
Did you ever complete your research in Florida?
MIKE little mouse,
Interesting that you believe you can speak for the County.
MIKE little mouse,
Did you ever complete your research in Florida?
Did you ever start it when you wrote you did or did you ____?
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