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Wednesday, October 12, 2005

Mommy, Mommy, will we die of old age before the Tribune tells us “the rest of the story” – some of which you posted previously?
Yes, Dear. When I talked to Editorial Page Editor, Bill Morem, he said he’d look into it, but so far nothing’s appeared. I’ll bet if I called again he’d tell me that the editors feel it’s now “old news” and so won’t do any follow up, heh-heh, which tells me their original intention was to scare and bamboozle and mislead their readers, not enlighten and inform them. If you are a Tribune reader, you have been warned.


The following comments are from Gail McPherson, posted on the Los Osos Recall list-serve. Gail has actually run a wastewater treatment plant so she’s one of the few people in the community who actually knows s—t. Since a lot of people in the community are simply NOT getting accurate information, from the Tribune, at least, here’s a necessary corrective regarding just who to hold responsible for all the “wasted” money folks keep talking about.

I know how the Regional Water Quality control Board has frightened the community. For our community, it is important to understand the issues of who is fined and how it happens within the framework of the regulatory process. This process of enforcement – RWQCB imposing fines – is actually required, and of course, it was expected. In fact, not it will become part of the process of moving the plant.

But first, did you know if we had not started the construction we would not be facing the fines? It’s true, the enforcement action is directly tied to stopping work, and the 3 recalled CSD directors knew this would happen, and deliberately set us up for it.

We didn’t have to start the construction. The SWRCB (State) was in no rush for a funding hearing in January for Los Osos. The Loan had expired in September, 2004. But after the recall was served in December, the CSD rushed the loan through. The State allowed more time for re-bid, and for the bid award, and even for the election – A full 3 months, in fact.

But the 3 recalled CSD directors not only refused to wait, they rushed forward accepting non-competitive bids $36 million over the engineer’s estimate. In June they set the election about as far out as possible. In July they asked the RWQCB to fine us retroactively so the amount would be shocking, and they threatened to sue the RWQCB if they didn’t do it. In closed meetings, they barred the 2 minority directors, and instructed the contractors to front-load the contract work, to put as much cost as possible in the start up activities.

But now back to enforcement. The letter that was sent on October 6, 2005 from Roger Briggs [the one the Trib used to scare the community to death without bothering to get the “rest of the story”] is a letter of intent. It is the legal requirement that puts us on official notice from the RWQCB of the reasons for the enforcement action, as well as the amount that can be assessed. The $11 million is what the RWQCB Staff is recommending. This is based on stopping the project, and violating the Time Schedule Order (TSO). Never mind we consistently missed the schedule since 2001. [Something the Trib also forgot to tell its readers.] The RWQCB cannot look the other way and let us just “start over,” and move the plant without giving us a modification to our TSO order. That can’t happen without the enforcement process. That is partly due to the long history of the County and the screw-ups of the old CSD33, but mostly, it’s [Gordon] Hensley’s group’s [Taxpayer Watch, et al] threat to sue the RWQCB if they fail to enforce . . . .

Funding is a huge challenge because the rules change after construction begins. The funding for the project could have been revised based on project modification if we did so before start of construction. Once construction begins it is extremely difficult to modify the project and retain the same loan. But it is not impossible. CEQA rules kick in and we may have to reapply for funds. The good new is that projects that are ready to proceed are at the head of the line. With dirt turned and contractors here, we are ready. We also may have some parts that keep moving which would help us to retain the loan, and avoid the fines at the same time.

. . . . Fines are decided through a formal hearing process. The process takes several months, and now is complicated by the legal requirement of Measure B that stops the plant construction, and which is technically beyond the control of the [new] CSD. The RWQCB has never faced this issue before. Further, the CSD has the petition for review that was filed in 2000 that promised the Sate would intervene if enforcement was threatened. [More of what the Tribune forgot to tell you.]

Like many of you, I wish the old CSD 3 had not started the project, but we no know why they did it . . . like a city under siege, if they could not retain power, they could leave Los Osos in rubble. . . That is, after all, what ‘Scorched Earth’ policies are about.

. . . But even in the face of the obstacles ahead, the CSD Board will do everything to assure the best and most cost effective project is delivered. They will work to put the amended plan for an out-of-town facility in front of the people of Los Osos and before the State for approval. The new plan will be sustainable, sensible and complete. The cost and location will be known and approved in advance. Los Osos, through this CSD board, can meet a reasonable time schedule and we will keep moving to do so.

21 comments:

Shark Inlet said...

In summary:

Ann says that Gail says that she knows the truth and that we won't really be fined and that we can get a new low-interest loan and we can move the project and that it will just be harder to do what we want to do because the past board started construction and that they did so because they are evil.

Why should we trust Gail here any more than, say, the past board who also claimed special knowledge based on years of experience?

Gordon and Gail are both telling us what they believe will be best for the community and taking actions based on their beliefs. If you are going to fault Gordon for moving forward to save the dream (or some such) and claim it has hurt the community, won't you point out that without a buttload of lawsuits since the creation of the CSD, we would already have a plant and it would cost considerably less than the current plan or the new plan of the new guys who have not even come up with a plan yet?

By the way, I think the next action of the new board ought to be to ban Al Barrow from speaking at meetings until at least all his campaign posters (some would say "litter") has been removed from the community.

Shark Inlet said...

Another comment comes to mind ... I am saddened that Gail feels the need to impugn the motives of those she worked to get out of office.

There is no reason, whether on a private listserv of recall supporters or not to tell us that Gordon is anything less than someone who believes the best solution for Los Osos would be to start and finish the construction at the current site.

Without a shred of proof of the motives of Gordon and the rest, it is very unbecomming of her to make this suggestion. It belittles her, the recall supporters and the entire community.

[If she had evidence, for example an e-mail between Gordon and Stan that said "we're likely to lose the recall so let's do whatever necessary to screw the new board" it would be another matter entirely.]

By the way, what about this listserv? Where can I get on it and where can I read what's been mailed back-n-forth in the past? I would imagine there a considerable amount if interesting material there.

Also about the listserv ... are current CSD board members also members of the listserv? If so, do they e-mail the group? I would love to see them discussing these issues as well.

Anonymous said...

Sharkey, kind of a demonizaton here? I read that they "knew" of the enevitable results of their decisions, nowhere did I read the word "evil"
"the past board started construction and that they did so because they are evil".
Your quote-
I read simply stated facts.
You have to look at it and make your own decision

Shark Inlet said...

Um ... when one writes "if they could not retain power, the could leave Los Osos in rubble" and when one claims that Gordon and buddies had adopted a scorched earth plan ... one is claiming that the previous CSD majority is evil.

Is there any other way to interpret this?

Is there anyone in the history of the world who has adopted a scorched earth policy who could not be called evil?

You tell me, how should I interpret these comments? How can we interpret these comments in any way that does not make Gail look small and petty? How can we interpret these comments in any way that does not make Gail look look really bad?

Anonymous said...

Touche!

Shark Inlet said...

Here is another question for Ann and various recall supporters.

We've heard from you all that the RWQCB will not impose any fines because "those are just threats" and that the RWQCB "never follows through". I just read in the local throw-away that the RWQCB decided to fine the Monarch Grove neighborhood $35,000 and to put $40,000 in fines in abayance. This is exactly the move the RWQCB staff recommended.

So ... why do you all think that the RWQCB won't follow staff recommendation to fine the CSD?

The Monarch Grove neighborhood was fined because the turbidity was too high. If the RWQCB cares about the turbidity of the Monarch packet plant output used to water a golf course they should certainly care about years of septic tank influence on nitrates.

If the RWQCB does anything other than fine the CSD they would be showing favoritism toward the CSD. The throw-away indicates that Monarch Grove has at least corrected their problem. If they deserve fines for minor infractions in the past that have been corrected but the CSD doesn't deserve fines for ongoing major violations there is something wrong with the system.

Anonymous said...

But what about the facts? It still looks a lot like a political power play that went bad. Are we destined to bad government and mediocraty forever? Is there no way out of this mess? Will the real culprits ever have to pay for this travesty? Where is there justice? I'm over 30' should I sue for exemption? Mike Green

Shark Inlet said...

I don't think that the facts here justify such name-calling.

If I disagree with Gail and her position for what is best for Los Osos, would it be reasonable for me to call her power-hungry and to say that she is willing to do anything to make her power grab? No. While her lawsuits and her beliefs have, I believe, done our communtiy harm, I believe that she intends only the best for Los Osos. I would prefer she treat Gordon the same way that I am sure she would like to be treated herself by those she disagrees with.

Bad government and mediocraty so far? Sure. Forever? If the current CSD decides to cancel the current project and to start over from scratch ... it would appear so.

Is there a way out? Yes, the previous CSD got us a way out. We chose not to go along with the way out.

Who are the real culprits? The County Supervisors in the 70s and 80s, the Los Osos residents of the time who refused to put in a sewer and plant when it would have been cheap, the SWRCB and the RWQCB, the solutions group and early CSD and those who filed some umpteen lawsuits in the last seven years.

Who isn't to blame? Me and maybe you. Did you vote for the recall?

I propose that the new board adopt a policy that those who voted against the recall should pay $200/month no matter what and those who voted for the recall should pay less or more, depending on the ultimate cost of the system. Anyone agree?

Churadogs said...

Amazing the amount of misinformation, mischaracterization, misreading, mis-mis-mis generated in one posting. I never said Gail claimed "TRUTH" -- I said, as a former wastewater plant operator, she is one of the few people in this game who know s--t. And, to my knowledgte, Gail never filed a lawsuit against this project. When you lump sheep and goats, you usually do a disservice to both. As for my calling Gordon "evil," in my Sept 14th, Cannon, I said, "Sadly, no matter the election's outcome, the actions of the Board majority in the simple matter of the trees has turned into a Pyrrhic victory, evil and bitter, unforgivable and entirely unnecessary . . ."

As for motives, I can find no other explanation for the recalled 3's actions except deliberate intention to pound as much money into the ground before the election. They had ample opportunity to hold off -- no harm, no foul -- and they didn't. Nor did they go to the community with any explanation of why they didn't hold off. (Mike "No Spin" Drake's whine about waiting 22 years moan, weep, wring hands, was specious.) And, for some levity, if you recall, Buel suggested having the election "later" so the community could get "educated" and when it looked like that "education" was going in the wrong direction, he pulled the plug on Channel 20 saying that the people of Los Osos had gotten enough information. And, do recall that Gordon did say that he was not inclined to do any favors (i.e. set the election earlier) for people wishing to recall him.

Feh.Mr. Inlet is free to believe whatever he wishes about the recalled three's "motives." I look at the options and the actions taken and the results that had to have been known (if they weren't, then that alone -- utter failure to consider a worst-case scenario and act prudently so as to not cause that to happen to the community -- would have justified recalling those three) and can draw my own conclusions and I stand behind them: What the recalled 3 did was unnecessary, ugly and evil, shortsighted, stupid, politically dumb-beyond-belief and -- ironic as all get out -- probably cost those three the election. Which has got to be some sort of karmic justice, at least.

Shark Inlet said...

So Ann, are you claiming that you put Gail's comments into your blog because you disagree with them?

On the lawsuit, my mistake for thinking that Gail was a leader in the Los Osos Taxpayer's Association. I guess I should do more research.

Also my apologies for suggesting civility would be appropriate ... the suggestion seems to have focused the discussion on issues that are probably less important than others just now.

Churadogs said...

Dear Inlet,

I put Gail's comments on the blog as a continuation of the "Where's the Rest Of The Story" entries because the history of this is critical. A few folks are standing up at the CSD meeting and claiming that the new Board "wasted" all that money by shutting the project down. Apparently -- because it isn't discussed in the paper -- they are totally unaware that it was the actions of the recalled 3 that "wasted" all that money and that they didn't have to do any of that. It was a choice on their part. The recalled 3 could have held off on doing anything, had a "clean" election and IF the recall had failed,(which I'm betting would have happened if the old board had set an earlier election date and not dug up anything -- ironies of ironies!) then it would be no harm-no foul. Not a penny would have been pounded into the ground, the community would have had it's say in the matter, the big cats could have rolled and that would have been that. Instead, the recalled three made a deliberate choice, heedless of the consequences, and you and I and everyone in the prohibition zone will pay dearly for that.

Shark Inlet said...

Fair enough.

I would suggest, however, that it is a matter of point of view. Those who view the previous project as "wrong" for the community will view the previous directors as those who "wasted" money but those who view the previous project as likely cheaper than the out-of-town plant will view the actions of this new board as wasteful.

In the meeting a week ago, the board voted to do a study to determine whether the out-of-town location would be less expensive. The conclusion might be that (including lifecycle costing and financing issues) it is less expensive. If that is the case, the next question is whether the additional costs due to having already started construction at TriW would make the new location more expensive than the current project.

Yes, the previous CSD made a gamble. The new board is doing exactly the same ... they are betting that stopping the construction long enough to study the possibility of an out-of-town plant will be worth the answers we get.

Frankly, I think that simple accounting would suggest that at best it will be a wash but that at worst the cost of moving out of town will be considerable.

Is the new board's gamble worth it? I would say so, considering they were elected, but by only 51%.

Was the old board's gamble worth it? That depends on what the new board does based on any info they get in the next two or three months.

Churadogs said...

Dear Inlet,
Now, there you and I have a fundamental disagreement. When doing nothing costs you nothing (and the money you're talking about is not yours, but the taxpayers,) then doing nothing is not a gamble, it's prudence.

If doing nothing will result in a financial trainwreck for a good part of a community, then doing nothing isn't a gamble but a desperate act to keep the patient from bleeding out on the O.R. floor.

I suppose, ultimately, it's a world view that is authoritarian versus democratic, a cast of mind that believes we should be good little children and do as we're told even if the actions will harm us and ours, or one that believes that we are adults who have a responsibility to ask Why, and if necessary make decisions to change directions to avert a bad outcome that will harm us and ours.

As for moving the sewer out of town and saving money, even if it's mostly a wash and the real savings comes in the form of O & M costs & etc, (not bad, that, especially in the face of rising energy prices & etc.) if that turns out to be the case, then you and the CSD3 will have some REAL explaining to do.

For years, we have been repeatedly told that "We" (the CSD) have examined thoroughly all alternatives and this is it, there are NO options, the Tri-W site is the ONLY place that would work, that any out of town plant would cost WAY more, that Ag Exahange was looney-tune pie in the sky, . . . blah-blah, blah-blah. & etc.

If all that turns out NOT to be true, then I will have to conclude that this whole plan was hidden-agenda-driven from day one (You've still got a problem with the 1998 CC staff report & 1998 RWQCB report on the Ponds of Avalon --One report was June '98 and the other October '98. The election of the CSD was November '98. The Solutions Group had to have had that report before the election, yet I sure didn't hear anything about the Ponds of Avalon costing out at$78 million versus the county's $85 million, did you? All I heard was $35 million and on that Gary Karner was adamant, despite folks asking at workshops that his numbers were wrong.

Then, waaaaay after the new CSD Board was seated, then -- surprise! -- the Ponds were shown not to work, will be too expensive, etc, etc. Gee, you think?)

And if you didn't hear about those reports before and during the CSD formation election, and were unaware of those reports (I sure was) then the CSD3 also have a lot of additional 'splaining to do.

And the community has to ask: Were we misled into forming a CSD by the promise of a $35 million sewer project? After all, that was the compact: we'll yield the center of town if you bring us a Step/Steg $35 million Ponds of Avalon sewage treatment system. Did the group behind the CSD formation know, in advance, from the CC & RWQCB reports, that the price was off by 100% and there was a good chance the technology wouldn't yield the required nitrate reduction?

If so, then this whole CSD formation and the original sewer plans were all based on a lie from day one.

I do not ask that question lightly. To my knowledge, Mr. Karner has never corrected Mr. Crawford's Op/Ed rebuttal to Mr. Karner's original Op/Ed in the Bay News concerning that critical date -- 1999 vs. 1998. And to my knoledge, nobody's indicated that the dates on the CC & RWQCB staff reports were typos. So, I'm still waiting for an answer to that. Surely any one of the original three "solutions group" CSD candidates would know. Yet I've never seen even a letter-to-the-editor correcting Mr. Crawford's arguments concerning that critical date either. So, that question remains unanswered.

Shark Inlet said...

In summary (based on a very quick reading) it seems like you are continuing to harp on the notion that the previous board was in many ways unwise or even deliberately misleading the community.

Considering we are at the point where the new board can choose to go ahead with the previous board's plan or choose to go another direction we need to ask ourselves the question "which is best for Los Osos?". Even if the previous board was chock full of liars who thought they could sell Los Osos a sack of weasel dung and call it a treatment plant the question we and the current board have remains the same ... "What is best for Los Osos?".

I don't agree that doing nothing costs nothing in this case. Inflation, contractors suing, state fines, the state asking for loan money back are all real costs. Yes, any costs are those of the taxpayers as a whole and not just mine, but please remember that all taxpayers are on the hook here and we all should have a right to voice our opinions.

Your argument that some people will be forced to move out of Los Osos because they cannot afford the current plan and so should support the new board's actions only makes sense if the new board's plan is less expensive than that of the previous board. For the senior on a fixed income it may make sense to vote for the recall because the previous board only promised $200/month. I would suggest that such a vote is entirely self-serving and not a vote in the interest of the good of the community if it means that we will be paying $400/month in five years.

If the recent vote ends up raising the monthly bill because of the actions of the new board (they did not need to stop construction, they do not need to "move the sewer, no matter what the cost"), more people will need to move out of the area than under the previous board's plan. Recall supporters, not matter how well intentioned, may have increased the costs for us all and so pushed many out of town.

The question remains ... what will this new board do and will it raise or lower our costs?

I trust two of the boardmembers based on what they have done and what they say. I even know one and even like him.

However, I am still worried that they will take actions that will bring financial ruin to an even larger portion of the community than would have been hurt by the earlier board's plan. No matter how well you spin the previous board as the evil ones, the current board could have continued with the current plan ... they can still choose to continue with it ... or they can choose to start fresh and end up screwing us all financially if their hopes about the ultimate outcome are wrong.

Anonymous said...

Ann needs to get unstuck from 1998.

At least the Solutions Group had a reviewable plan. She blames them, I blame the voters.

Ann, like the new board, lives in a fantasy land, where a low-level administrative government can make any laws and any decisions it likes, without consequence.

The new board is responsbile for the current project stalled in construction. That is because the law and their election made them responsible. The recall folks keep trying to delude themselves and the new board into this notion that they're not responsible.

The failure of the new board to grasp that was apparent the first meeting, when work was stopped without informing the public of some serious documents.

It is a harsh reality they inherited, and all we are hearing are public proclamations by board members that are absurd.

The financial screwing of property owners is rapidly becoming apparent by the boards naivety of contracts, finance, and the law.

If our leaders mantra is that Los Osos must commit financial suicide by following the 'will of the people', then that is what will happen.

Had the old board not started construction, they would have been fined, just as the new board has been. There would have been no negotiation. Sorry Ann, Los Osos failure to accept and support putting in infrastructure pre-dates the Solutions Group.

They started construction to avoid fines and to start the project - no matter how you want to twist it.

The new board has stopped construction and brought on fines - it can't be twisted.

Shark Inlet said...

Publicworks,

You wrote about the first board meeting "work was stopped without informing the public of some serious documents."

What documents are you talking about?

Why would this board take an action without first providing the public all relevant information and asking for public comment? Can it be the case that this board is not perfect?

Anonymous said...

the state loan agreement details, you would think they would have been discussed, so the public could have knowledge before any suspension or contract terminations are made

Shark Inlet said...

If you refer to the document the Trib linked to this morning, the actual contract, I find it absolutely inexcusable that the board would even contemplate a temporary suspension of the construction without a full disclosure of the contract details.

I suspect that the new board is simply inexperienced in such matters so made a mistake. I rather doubt they were trying to lie to us like Ann accuses the previous board of doing.

Anonymous said...

Also, I didn't say the new board lied. Everyone likes to always use the 'lie' word because it arouses anger. it's politically expediant, that's why the recall group used it so liberally.

The new boards has not been deliberating the ramifications of the contract and finances in public - that is inexcusable; of course they are under pressure to decide fast, but you simply don't go breaching contracts that create financial nightmares.

Churadogs said...

Publicworks: The old CSD had a window of opportunity to not start construction before the election without incurring fines (they weren't behind schedule, they were on time, they could have had their little ceremonial ground-breaking then back-loaded work to avoid spending pots of money actually digging holes in the ground before the elction, even, if necessary, invoking 29 of the 90 days available in the Clause 15, all without incurring fines since they were't in breach, weren't "stopping," anything, all of which would have save this community gazillions. And, irony or ironies, had they done that and set the election earlier, I think the recall would have failed. Instead, they gambled big time with you money and lost.

Shark Inlet said...

I would humbly suggest that if the election had been earlier it would have been better than delaying the start of construction. (While you suggest we could have avoided the digging and grading and the like, what else would the contractors do? Certainly if we took money from the SRF to do construction work some construction work would need to have been done during that timeperiod.)

Perhaps if the previous board had decided to "rush" the election and have it as early as possible it would have been better. I actually don't agree that rushing an election is a good thing. I think that having the election as late as possible gives people more time to think the issues over.

Maybe if those who started the recall had started earlier or turned in their petitions earlier we wouldn't be talking about this at all. While you blamd Bruce and Stan for the timing, please remember that it wouldn't even be an issue here had Steve turned in his petitions two months earlier.

If you get to blame the previous board for all the current board's woes, I get to blame Sawyer for his piss-poor timing.