Letter from PZLDF
The following is a letter received from the Prohibition Zone Legal Defense Fund, regarding the Los Osos CDOs and all residents within the Prohibition Zone. I hope everyone in Los Osos living within the PZ will take time to read it. There’s some serious mis- and lack of -information going on out there , some serious muddlements occurring at the recent CDO hearings, the goal posts are again being moved around by the RWQCB, (check the wording of the latest post concerning up upcoming Jan 22 panel meeting) which changes the playing field, once again putting the residents in the dark and at a dangerous disadvantage. Caveat, Los Osos. Caveat.
Property Owners Didn't Blink; They Were Blindsided
Alan Martyn, Los Osos, President PZLDF (528-0229)
As members of the Prohibition Zone Legal Defense Fund (PZLDF)— a local volunteer organization—we thank the Bay News and Jack Beardwood for coverage on 12/13 and 12/20 of the Water Board’s prosecution of 45 Los Osos residents. We’d also like to offer some clarification on the difference between the Settlement Agreement (Settlement) and Cease and Desist Orders (CDO’s) the RWQCB is issuing.
First, the 25 or so LO residents who told the RWQCB they would sign an Agreement in lieu of receiving CDO’s may be surprised to know that the Settlement is an enforceable Clean Up and Abatement Order (CAO). A CAO is not much different from a CDO, and in some ways it’s worse.
Under CAO’s and CDO’s the RWQCB can impose fines of up to $5000 per day. However, under a CAO the law requires a mandatory minimum fine of $500 per day (Water Code Section 13350), unless the RWQCB considers special circumstances which it is not obligated to do. Although the Water Board originally included language indicating it would consider special circumstances, the final Settlement posted on its website did not contain the language.
Also, a CAO (the Settlement) allows the RWQCB much more discretion in how it deals with the homeowner and alleged pollution. It allows RWQCB or designated parties to enter a person’s property, to investigate the sources of pollution (or threatened pollution), to correct the violations as it deems fit, to charge the homeowner for all expenses, including administration costs, an to place a lien on the property if necessary.
If the RWQCB finds that property owners’ septic discharges have caused water from a well in the area to exceed minimum safe standards, the Water Board can require homeowners to provide replacement water. Theoretically—if the AB 2701 process fails and enough people in LO sign a Settlement—the RWQCB could build the LO treatment system and place liens on people’s property to cover costs.
Ironically, one of the most onerous aspects of the Settlement is the fact that it is a “settlement:” people supposedly have "agreed" to it (although they might have felt under duress). By agreeing to the Settlement (CAO), residents severely limit their rights to challenge any enforcement even if their home must be vacated in 2011. . For the most part, hearing rights are limited to the amount of the fines and liens, not whether they should be levied.
In other key ways, the CDO and Settlement are identical. Both require septic pumping and inspection every three years and hookup to a community system when it's available. Both require cessation of septic tank discharges by Jan. 2011 if the County does not approve an assessment by July 1, 2008; and both require the property owner to cease discharges within two years if construction of the project stops permanently.
Since both the Settlement and CDO potentially affect the value and use of property, homeowners are obligated to report them in transactions involving their property (e.g., sales and loans).
Because both enforcement measures hinge on County approval of a benefits assessment by July 1, 2008, people who sign a Settlement and people receiving CDO’s face potentially large fines and the possibility of having to vacate their homes, if the AB 2701 process hits the rocks or the RWQCB fails to approve alternative, individual systems for ceasing discharges.
One clear benefit of a CDO, over the Settlement (CAO), is that the CDO requires the RWQCB to provide recipients “…current information on successful and economical water quality control programs…and information and assistance in applying for federal and state funds necessary to comply with the cease and desist order.” (Water Code Section 13301.1). In other words, CDO language requires the RWQCB to support LO in its effort to find an economical solution to its waste water problems.
Any LO resident who agreed to sign a Settlement may have a last chance to reconsider. The RWQCB changed the Settlement at the December hearing, so people have a chance to review and agree to changes before signing an amended settlement. If you haven’t signed the amended agreement, there’s still time to consult an attorney, ask more questions, and change your mind if you desire.
Anyone with questions about the CDO's or impending Water Board actions against LO residents can contact PZLDF at 534-1913 and will be put in touch with volunteers who can help sort out the regulatory maze.
The vast majority of LO residents want a community wastewater system, and they support the AB 2701 process. They are also willing to have their tanks pumped and inspected voluntarily until they can hook up to a community system (requirements in the Settlement and CDO). Of course, individuals don’t have the ability to build a community system. Therefore, PZLDF considers the RWQCB actions to be unreasonable and unnecessary. PZLDF is also concerned that the RWQCB’s actions will threaten the AB 2701 process by putting unreasonable timelines and conditions on the County and LO citizens. To protect the rights of individuals as a group in LO, PZLDF has attempted to negotiate a fair settlement with the RWQCB, and we are in the process of appealing CDO’s to the State Water Board, and considering a court action for the future.
Because the RWQCB has stated that they intend to issue CDO’s or CAO’s to all properties in the Prohibition Zone, we urge property owners in Los Osos to make a generous donation to PZLDF to help those who are facing or will face the actions of the RWQCB. Checks can be made out to: Prohibition Zone Legal Defense Fund or PZLDF. Your donations will be used for the defense of the group of people who have received or will receive proposed enforcement actions by the Regional Water Quality Control Board. Donations can be sent to:
PZLDF
P.O. Box 6095
Los Osos, CA 93412
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65 comments:
YOU WILL NOT GET ONE DIME FROM ME.
You are polluting the water basin and the Bay.
YOU HAVE AVOIDED YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CLEAN UP YOUR MESS FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
You should count your blessings that the RWQCB was as lenient as they were, quit complaining and build the sewer ASAP.
Send money? You have got to be kidding.
Throwing good money into a lost cause is as stupid as stopping the WW project in October of 2005. Just stop this nonsense NOW and support the County´s process to build the sewer.
Alan Martyn, you are a fraud!
You have sold enough real estate around here and made a whole lot of money in those sales, I know, I bought two houses from you. You never disclosed the sewer issuses, you lied through those non-disclosures. You never told anyone that you were one of the obstructionists to the county and later to the CSD.
You and your hollow legal defense fund, and your "lawyer" convicted felon, Gail McPherson, shall not receive one cent fom my family. Thank you for convencing us to send our contributions to the Tax Payers Watch to continue to fight the fraud and corruption you and your mob have inflicted on Los Osos.
Will you hit someone else in your fits of anger, you old fraud.
About the previous comments.......Sounds like TW and the waterboards are at it again warping the truth and burying the sins. Reed, do you post on this site too?
The Grand Conspiracy: All State Agencies, All Courts, even the TW is conspiring against LOCSD. Only the CSD is Absolute!
Only this Blog is the righteous voice against those heretic's of the mega-sewer. Los Osos is not causing any pollution, the septic systems and natures own filtration system is all ever needed. Blessed be the High Priestesses who hold those illegitimate offices accountable. Praise be that only the LOCSD is capable of solving the misdeeds of the past. And please send the PZLDZ your tax deductible contributions. Please remember to mark all contributions as church donations when forced to submit to the will of the illegitimate and illegal IRS grave robbers.
I'll let every fool who voted for the recall pay my share to the PZLDF. And when you're at it, pay me the monthy difference between $200.00 and whatever the county comes up with. Thieves.
The Dreamer diatribes on this blog are perfect illustrations why the Arab-Israeli conflict will be settled long before Los Osos overcomes division.
Maria Kelly, are you paying attention? These are the people who you call your supporters.
The Dreamer losers who spew negativity and destruction everywhere they go are doing nothing but fouling their own nest -- these chickens running around with their heads cut off.
Maria Kelly, are you paying attention? You call for a New Osos Order, backed by the destructionists who destroyed Los Osos -- and want to keep it that way. Is this your army?
Study them closely, closer than you ever have before, and you will see that they are leaderless and directionless. For good reason. All their leaders are corrupt and have been exposed. So they had to bring in a few new faces to keep the Dream alive. Or it would have died on Nov. 7.
Maria Kelly, are you paying attention? The people you represent are stone-cold psychopaths, life's losers hellbent on going out with a bang. Is this who you draw your inspiration from?
You are their champion now, Maria. The torch of ignorance and inhumanity in Los Osos has been passed on to you, and you have gleefully accepted it. You should take another hard look around you, before you accept the leadership of this stinking, sinking ship of fools.
Maria, are you paying attention? You will be judged from here on in by the bitter company that you stand for.
Please tell me about honesty:
Lisa Schicker, Julie Tacker, Gail McPherson, Kieth Swanson, Al Barrow, Joey Racano
PZLDF'ers: Why are you raising money to pay Shauna Sullivan? Don't you realize you've been ripped off by attorney-in-crime Gail McPherson and now intentionally by design will ever have any money to hire a REAL attorney??? A shame and a sham!!! Tears from heaven.
The people you represent are stone-cold psychopaths, life's losers hellbent on going out with a bang. Is this who you draw your inspiration from?
Anon 11:39:
I couldn't describe the 15 or so supporters of this CSD who show up at every meeting and embarrass the community of Los Osos any better if I tried. Kudos!!!!
Maria Kelly "backed by the destructionists who destroyed Los Osos," anon 11:39??
An army of stone cold psychopaths?
Your assessment of people in Los Osos simply illuminates the agonized mental condition that holds your spirit hostage, and which clearly needs some serious adjustment.
I am thankful not to walk in your cold, nail-soled shoes, and I hope that you get some help. My New Year's wish for you is that you discover that people that don't agree with your ideas as PEOPLE, not monsters.
No one on past boards or present board took on the job with evil intent. All served and serve with the community's best interest at heart, regardless of outcome.
When you can get past making people into cartoon characters with all black or all white agendas, you will be able to help with solutions to the situation in which we now find ourselves.
Dear Anon 11:39,
I hear you. There were many TW who did not vote or support me. There were many who voted for the Recall and Move the Sewer who did vote for me. I know this because they told me and I know this based on how the numbers turned out when my husband and I examined precinct returns. It is also evident in the range of numbers that split Lynette and I and how close Steve and I were in the end.
I have lived in the county for 5 years and have watched this situation and have an opinion based on my extrapolation of information gathered and observations that I have made over the past several years. There really isn't much more that I can say or do to convince you and for that I am sorry. Conflict stays because conversations do not happen and tolerance is not practiced. It is difficult to try to have these conversations and even though they may cause a pit in my stomach sometimes, it is important to me to at least try. To condemn me for the company I keep is not new to me. Who I chose to know and speak with is up to me and me alone and should not be decided by someone else for me. I will not limit my need to gather information and opinions and try to figure where we are united and where we are completely divided. My desire is to understand. There are hearts of concern and good intentions on both sides as well as hatred and condemnation.
Condemnation and blame does not offer any type of advantage to the conversation. I hear the anger in people's voices, I see it in the emails I get and I feel it at the meetings. I cannot carry that anger for anyone. It is possible to try to understand it but will not go away until people chose to set it aside for a moment. Fear and anger are tied together deeply. It really isn't possible to try to understand the anger but the fear can be looked at and actively addressed. Fear is real and I have some too but I do not want it to overwhelm or deter me. Sitting in a place of anger is confusing, painful and I believe can cause physical illness. In our community the illness is manifesting in our inability to shop in the same stores, be civil in public and attack on the blogs with anonimity.
We all hold a piece of the solution. Please tell me what you have to offer to the solution and email it to me. It would be good to hear.
Sincerely,
Maria M. Kelly
mariakelly@charter.net
Anon 11:39:
Is everyone who doesn't agree with the actions of this current board a member of Taxpayers Watch or a dreamer? I've always been confused by this label. I personally have no idea what Taxpayers Watch is or who belongs, and am certainly not a member. And by dreamer do you mean someone who supported the Save the Dream side of the recall election? Because again, I had no affiliation whatsoever to any side before the recall. What I have seen in the past year is a series of mistakes, missteps, ill-conceived fights with the state and regional waterboards, a lost loan, CDO's issued where before there were none, an incompetant and short-tempered GM representing Wildan, a gift of public funds to attornies who represtned members of this board BEFORE the recall, and ultimately, ultimately bankruptcy and the county takeover of the project. I have no engineering degree. And I certainly have no axe to grind. I readily admit there have been major misstpes taken all along this journey, starting with the formation of a CSD to begin with. But what I do have is what I consider a common-sense appraisal of the last year as it conerns my money, my house, and my ability of live in Los Osos. This board has been an utter disaster on all accounts. I surely don't need Taxpayers Watch, or the "Dreamers" to lead me to this conclusion.
Those of you in the PZ that voted for the recall election, and for Measure B have no one to blame except yourselves, for the delimma in which you have found yourselves.
I feel sorry for those who supported the construction at Tri-W, and now are stuck with the mess the others made.
If I were to contribute, it would be to individuals who were not a part of the big lash up that brought the construction to an end.
But contribute to a group with the likes of Linde, Julie, and such? Not on your life.
Sewertoons --
"Your assessment of people in Los Osos simply illuminates the agonized mental condition that holds your spirit hostage, and which clearly needs some serious adjustment."
I really like this observation and the way it's expressed, and find it truthful.
"My New Year's wish for you is that you discover that people that don't agree with your ideas as PEOPLE, not monsters."
I would like nothing more to discover that many of the bloggers who don't disagree me are PEOPLE, not MONSTERS. But they seem to prefer acting like MONSTERS. That's their decision, not mine.
"No one on past boards or present board took on the job with evil intent. All served and serve with the community's best interest at heart, regardless of outcome."
No, this is a whitewash. Stan, Gordon and Richard did evil so they are evil. They killed us with corruption. Lisa, Chuck and Steve are not evil, they are deceptive and stupid. Perhaps the results are the same.
"When you can get past making people into cartoon characters with all black or all white agendas, you will be able to help with solutions to the situation in which we now find ourselves."
I hold up a mirror in which everyone sees who they really are. If you or they don't like what you see, the power to change it lies in their hands, not mine. I agree we need to rid ourselves of "cartoon characters with all black or all white agendas," but that is all we have representing us at this time, except perhaps for Joe -- and he's buried on this, the Lost, if not the Last, Board.
I am applying solutions even as you and others read this. Follow my words and you will find that I have silently led you to discover that you are the solution.
Maria Kelly: Move the Sewer people who voted for you by accident before, not really knowing where you stood on the issues, won't do it again -- now that, gratefully, you've begun to articulate your positions more clearly and succintly. However, I respect you more for coming out from behind your wall of words and voicing your true opinions and convictions. Just remember: You can't sit on the fence for the next two years and think that you'll get 5,000 votes next time because no one in town on either side can figure out what you really stand for, if anything. It almost worked this time. Next time people will have a better idea what you're all about, and you'll have to run on who you really are, not on who people imagine you to be. Then we will find out if you have any solution of your own to offer, or, like most others, are just praying for one.
First find your personal solution that allows you to see yourself more clearly. Then and only then will you be prepared to offer solutions to others...and will they be ready to listen.
Veritas
No, this is a whitewash. Stan, Gordon and Richard did evil so they are evil. They killed us with corruption. Lisa, Chuck and Steve are not evil, they are deceptive and stupid. Perhaps the results are the same.
Maybe now you can begin to see the reason that the State has taken the extrodinary step to remove the WWTF project from local control.
Q. What is a Dreamer?
A. A Dreamer is an individual who, without reservation, supported the actions of the Stan-Gordon-Richard board, still do to this day, and believe the sewer should have gone in at Tri-W back then no matter, and believe in "Tri-W or Die!" today.
You don't have to be a member of Taxpayers Watch to be a Dreamer, but it helps.
You don't have to have taken sides in the Recall, or just moved here to be a Dreamer, but it helps.
You don't have to despise this board to be a Dreamer, but it helps.
You don't have to re-enact Custard's Last Stand at Tri-W, but it helps.
I'm sure there remain "niche Dreamers" yet to be identified and tagged.
I hope I have cleared up the meaning of being a Dreamer, and that hopefully you don't wake up tomorrow morning and find yourself sleeping next to one!!!
Veritas
6:19 PM, December 31, 2006
"Maybe now you can begin to see the reason that the State has taken the extrodinary step to remove the WWTF project from local control."
I'm very sorry to admit that at this time I cannot disagree with you.
Veritas
So Veritas the opposite of a dreamer would be one who says "not at Tri-W and out of town or die", regardless of cost and harm to the communtiy, or maybe "never a sewer in Los Osos or die", (which I suspect are the true intentions), and a supporter of this CSD and all their actions. And I would greatly suppose you don't have to be a renter or out-of-towner (like, say, a Richard Margetson) to be an anti-dreamer, but it helps. And you don't have to be a member of CCLO or CASE and all their lawsuits to be an anti-dreamer, but it helps. I get it. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Anon 7:21 PM, December 31, 2006
You've got it partly right, but not all. The opposite of a Dreamer says "Out of town or die!" But not regardless of cost and harm to the community. The county will take care of that.
It's not "No sewer or die!"--that died awhile ago, so your suspicions are wrong there. But "cost" and "harm to the community" weigh differently to different people, depending -- not so strangely -- on where you live and what you believe. Now that's in the county's hand. But compromise will be necessary to achieve a positive 218 vote.
I would agree that Anti-Dreamers aren't any better than Dreamers. Richard Margetson, CCLO and their ilk are as rotten as any Dreamer on any given day. I have a hunch that neither of these factions truly speak for the majority of Los Ososans and that they exist solely to protect the self-interests of a few, namely themselves and their cliques.
Lawsuits have no affiliation. They are neither Dreamer nor Anti-Dreamer, and have been, are now, and will continue to be abused equally to the detriment of all. So you cannot pin the proliferation of lawsuits exclusively on one camp or the other. To claim the moral high ground on lawsuits is stupid-foolish since everyone does it, we're a litigious society, and year by year justice seems to move farther and farther away from our reach. Whether CASE or Taxpayers Watch, we'll continue to sue each other unless there's no one left to sue -- and then we'll sue each other all over again.
Until we stop suing each other because...there's no reason to sue anymore, nothing to sue for, no one's THAT pissed off anymore. I don't think we've reached that plateau yet, that state of mind where lawsuits become the last resort rather than the opening salvo.
Both Dreamer and Anti-Dreamer must make a very similar choice in the near future. They must decide to abandon the fringe and mainstream their efforts -- where they will surely run into each other, each trying to do the same thing. Breathe. It is at that moment, when they face each other in the community, that they must make a conscious decision whether to cast away labels and politics, and try relating to each other as people first.
That will be the moment of truth for all of us, how we handle those seemingly minor encounters that will go farther toward solving our problem as a community than AB2701 and the county ever will. The less you expect the state and county to impose harmony here, the better off we'll be.
These little decisions will add up to one big decision -- to turn toward each other rather than away.
That's how things will change.
Veritas
Anonymous sez:"You and your hollow legal defense fund, and your "lawyer" convicted felon, Gail McPherson, shall not receive one cent fom my family."
Gail McPherson is not "your ' lawyer,'" which you would know if you'd done your homework.
Another anonymous sez:"attorney-in-crime Gail McPherson and now intentionally by design will ever have any money to hire a REAL attorney??? A shame and a sham!!! Tears from heaven."
While you're crying tears from heaven, you might want to check your information. McPherson's not an attorney. One of the papers incorrectly identified her as one in their write-up of the CDO hearings then ran a correction. Apparently you missed the correction?
Anonymous sez:"If I were to contribute, it would be to individuals who were not a part of the big lash up that brought the construction to an end.
But contribute to a group with the likes of Linde, Julie, and such? Not on your life."
When PZLDF has another public, informational meeting -- like others they've had -- you might like to attend to see who is involved with the group and, most important, WHY they're involved. Allmost all are part of the Los Osos 45 who have been put through a year of hell and so banned together to help one another since it was clear the community had forgotten about them and would not lift a finger to help them --A sentiment that is made clear, yet again, in some of the postings here.
Yet another Anon sez:"These little decisions will add up to one big decision -- to turn toward each other rather than away."
I would suggest a good place to start is for everyone posting here to attend the next announced public meeting of the PZLDF and sit and talk with Bev and Bill Moylan as individuals, for example as well as other PZLDF members, and ask them WHY they feel what the RWQCB is doing is simply the wrong approach. You might learn a great deal, from these . . . individuals.
Furthermore, many more individuals in this community, need to understand and connect the dots in the history of this project. I have repeatedly written that there were several really bad, key missteps that locked this community onto the train tracks that lead directly to the cliff. There were clear points at which the community and the regulators COULD/HOULD HAVE intervened in a timely fashion and so avoided all this. (Remember Ron Crawford's sly mot: Regulators exist to prevent Los Osos from happening. His various histories of this project cached at his website, www.sewerwatch.blogspot.com should be required reading before anyone joins this blog chat site) But too much of the community was simply asleep at the switch. I have noted that the TRibune, for example, is apparently running a complete news black-out on the CDOs, so the community will remain in the dark as to what is happening to that appalling process. On the County project, if homeowners fail to actively get accurate information, and get actively involved with the Process, then there is the possibility that the same missteps will occurr again, even with the county in charge. (There are powerful forces (i.e. $$$$) at work to see that certain things get done that MAY NOT benefit the homeowners, so everyone in this community needs to connect the dots and PAY ATTENTION. That won't happen with disinformation and the erasure of history. The linkages -- hip bone connected to thigh bone, etc -- are critical for everyone to keep in mind, so we won't see a repeat.
Right now, there are some serious legal issues involved with the CDOs and what the RWQCB is doing vis a vis "electioneering" and/or tying CDO's to forcing people to vote a certain way. This process is violating so many rights that everyone in town really should get focused on that process and join together to ensure THEIR rights won't be violated next.
Then, the Process the county is starting needs to be watched very carefully to make sure all thumbs are off the scale. Jihadis on both sides plus the vast majority of people in the middle need to keep their eyes focused on that ball.
People who are focused on those two things will then be able to look around and see that they are now facing in the same direction and have allies -- not "enemies -- who are also pointed in the same direction. If I join with a CDO recipient to see that THIER legal rights are protected, I will also be ensuring that MY legal rights will be protected too. If I join with Dreamers & Non Dreamers to see that the county follows the Process to the letter, both of us will end up with a project that we can certify (because we were watching) was not rigged.
In that fashion, we'll get where we need to go, not simply stand at loggerheads, going nowhere.
Dear Ann,
It's curious that you say you want the people of Los Osos to become educated on what's happening in Los Osos, when you, yourself, do not have a clue! Many of us know much more than you do.
Your teacher is Gail. You sound like Gail -- "train wreck" and "follow the dots" -- and we know Gail is no attorney. She is no wastewater expert either. She's a knob turner from a sewer plant in Riverside. It's her fault that the new CSD didn't have a "plan" after the recall. If she was the expert that she thinks and says she is, she would have had a project. Gail put herself in charge of everything, including the legislation, and backed it, told us to stand down, which of course, nobody did except for the people. No stand down by the county, by the RWQCB, by the State.
No, Gail is no lawyer, but she hired one that won't be able to help the CDO people. How much do they owe Ms. Sullivan? How much has Ms. Sullivan charged so far? She was a no-show at the RWQCB hearings. What kind of a lawyer is that?
No, Ann, you must become educated, because you don't have a clue what's happening. You ask us to come to the CDO meetings? Didn't you hear that Gail doesn't allow people into the CDO meetings, though maybe you are, of course.
Yes, Gail, the woman you think is God, has created this mess. She put herself in charge of the CDO process saying that she could help. She helped a lot. If she knew what she was doing she wouldn't have sat there like an attorney and would have had an attorney there for REAL legal representation. How stupid can you get?
Ann, it is you that needs an education, sorry to say.
When are you ever going to wake up?
Excellent! Many of us in LO have listened to Ms.Calhoun and wondered what on earth was she trying so painfully to say. She seems to be the real life Rita Skeeter who specialises in yellow journalism. A reporter who fabricates information in order to write an appealing story.
Anon: 11:31 AM, January 01, 2007
"Yellow journalism" means intentional, conscious distortion to push one narrow point of view, i.e. promote a war, or promote an agenda, I suppose, such as Gail McPherson's. William Randolph Hearst built a castle on it. Ann builds sandcastles. But she is not a distortionist.
"Fabrication" is another word for "lie," and suggests Ann is lying, which she is not.
Nor is she a reporter. So she is not "a reporter who fabricates." That in itself is a fabrication.
That Ann is so smitten with Gail McPherson and has basically reduced herself to playing McPherson's scribe, peddling McPherson's skewed platitudes as her own, has certainly damaged Ann's reputation as a centrist beyond repair. But that's another story.
Ann is a lot of things, but a reporter and liar are not two of them.
We will all agree Ms.Calhoun is not a reporter. Ann is hardly a centrist. She appears to be standing somewhere to the right of Louie the Fourteenth. She may not fabricate in your eyes, but her view of the world, that is if she would ever get her nose out of her notes to take note of the real world, is quite slanted. Listen to her questions, she must have a serious hearing problem as she doesn't seem to know which meeting she is attending, but she likes being in the spotlight.
Liar? Maybe not in her world, but certainly ignorant of the real world she has immersed herself in.
Anon: 12:35 PM, January 01, 2007
As you have restated without the accusations, I cannot disagree with you.
But Ann is what she is. Do you have a right to expect more from her? Perhaps. Do you have the right to demand more from her? No. Does she have any obligation to live up to your expectations? No.
We cannot expect Ann to be everybody's writer. She has her point of view, right or wrong, and she has her "style" of presentation, which lies somewhere between opinion, PR and sci-fi. But I support Ann's right to be Ann and say whatever Ann wants.
I just wish Ann were more accurate, was more the reporter and less the shill. She has tossed out more inaccurate information and more misinformation disguised as fact than anyone this side of the Tribune, which she whacks for being lame and biased, which they are.
I think that's one of your points -- so is Ann.
It's not Ann's fault that there are no writers in this town, no media for them to write for, if they any hiding out here. Still, Ann's not the only writer in this town. She's not even the only writer in the Beigh News. Sometimes, because LO is so small, it just seems like that.
Now, if your aim is to widen Ann's point of view, I doubt if that's possible. She does not comprehend that McPherson IS the problem, not the solution, nor the incalcuable damage she has done spreading the insane McPherson Doctrine, as if it was a road map to something other than into the deepest forest.
Nor is Ann able to see that any hope for a real solution for this community lies beyond the self-limiting choices she has made for herself as a writer.
I offer this not to praise or bury Ann, but to set the human record straight, and to remind that while we must be true to ourselves, we are never too old or too far gone to change -- if we want to, if the truth means anything at all to each of us.
Excellent points, I agree completely with you.
Let us hope for a more truth filled New Year, from all sides.
As Ann will point out, and has about a million times, she writes an OPINION column for the Bay News. Hence, it is her OPINION that shows up in the paper nearly every week.
My problem is that the Bay News rarely if ever presents another take on the sewer issue under their Opinion column. Maybe in the letter to the editors, but not in a column. And the fact that her column is there every week makes it appear to the more, how do I say, "casual" reader, that what Ann writes is fact. Ann's column even has a name, "Calhoun's Can(n)ons", which gives it more credibility and importance to the, um, "casual" reader.
It's a shame, and I think has been one of the many vehicles for misinformation in Los Osos. Maybe the Bay News will consider finding a more equitable presentation of the sewer issue each week, perhaps like a "Hannity and Combs" thing, where mistruths and outright lies could be addressed in print right there and then. It will never happen of course, but would sure help cut down on the misinformation floating around out there.
Anon: 3:40 PM, January 01, 2007
Confirmed: Don't look to the Beigh News to balance the books.
Also, your perception is slightly off -- Ann IS the "Combs" and the rest of the paper is the "Hannity." Ann is their token sewer mover.
Perhaps, if the Rock ever goes weekly, you'll eventually find some balance there. The guy who publishes it has been asking around for solution-oriented people with different points of view who can also write.
He asked me. While I'm not a writer per se, I may take him up on it. I'm thinking about it...
I've never found the Rock to be anything but biased and anti everything concerning the powers that be (water boards; county, etc). But I have to admit, after seeing Ed Ochs during the "debates" I wish I could find some common ground with the guy. He's hysterical and I like his unabashed honesty and delivery.
I think it's time for the Community to finally "wake up" & realize that McPherson is NOT the person they think she is. She's NO NEGOTIATOR, but she is a CON ARTIST. One only has to read one of the various "links" that well document her misdeeds. She hasn't learned anything from paying $40,000 in restitution, she's STILL falsifying & MISREPRESENTING HER QUALIFICATIONS. Did the writer of the NEW TIMES article get his info from Gail? What gave him the IDEA she was an attorney?
Forgive me Lord for I have sinned.....At least I think I must have sinned in another lifetime or something cos I got this CDO and now everyone is treating me like I'm a sinner. I only have one vote and that water board guy says the whole thing is my fault cos of my vote, but he doesn't even know how I voted.
He says that I'm not a criminal so I don't need a lawyer and then expects me to know all about defending myself. Everytime I try, he changes the rules after looking at my evidence. Anything that looks good for my side is tossed out. Any folks that were around when all this was going down don't have to answer my questions. The lead officer is allowed to skip town (and country) for the hearing.
He says I am guilty cos he says so. Is this justice in America? Or am I a sinner paying for my sins of another lifetime, cos I dun nothin bad in this one.
I feel pretty confident that most people on both sides of the issue see through McPherson and recognize her for what she is. Bo and Lacy Cooper are 2 people that absolutely rub me the wrong way, and are the biggest apologists and sychophants of this current board. But what I've seen at meetings, they abhor Gail McPherson. Maybe this will be the closest thing we get to harmony in Los Osos. A common antipathy for McPherson.
Anon: 5:16 PM, January 01, 2007
"Maybe this will be the closest thing we get to harmony in Los Osos. A common antipathy for McPherson."
United at last!
Sinner 5:12 PM, January 01, 2007
Your sin was moving to Los Osos! We're all sinners here now -- no matter what you did in the past.
Since you're already guilty for living here, you might as well flush your toilet a few more times just for the heck of it. Why conserve since you've already broken the law? Go for it.
Have you ever noticed if Jeffrey Young took the grease out of his hair and let it grow long how much he'd look like Jesus?
His first commandment might be: "There is no God but the Water God, and that's no Last Supper, that's a meeting of the RWQCB."
Q.E.D.
Julie Tacker is pissed at Ann Calhoun because of Ann's criticism of Tacker entering into a "business" relationship with Jeff Edwards who is using the fuck out of Director Tacker because she has a freudian infatuation with Mister Edwards and she is to stupid and naive to realize that she is being used..........
oh well, enjoy your last term Julie..........
So, Tacker chooses to attack Ann for her support of our 45 CDO recipients and Gail who has chosen to organize this group into a unified front for all of us against the RWQCB...............
We all know who it is you represent Director Tacker and it is US, THE PEOPLE OF LOS OSOS......
It's yourself and the JH Edwards Corp. Every move you have made has been to you master's benefit.
Whore.
Veritas,
You said:
"No, this is a whitewash. Stan, Gordon and Richard did evil so they are evil. They killed us with corruption. Lisa, Chuck and Steve are not evil, they are deceptive and stupid. Perhaps the results are the same."
"Follow my words and you will find that I have silently led you to discover that you are the solution."
Saying that Stan, Gordon and Richard are evil as they killed us with corruption is exactly what I believe we need to give up to move ahead. What proof do you offer? Have you spoken at any length with any of them? What corruption do you cite? Lisa, Chuck, and Steve deceptive and stupid? Same thing. (BTW - What happened to Julie?)
What on earth are you talking about regarding Maria Kelly? I read the same Maria Kelly in here as the one I saw in the forums. I really don't get what you mean at all.
Also, I am not going to follow your words. We each need to find our own words and our own truth - following along has been the problem around here. I find your specious imperative unnecessary and egotistical.
Where is that mirror called truth? Many cannot or wish not to see it and no one can make them. Truth comes with trust and much study with an open mind that holds no preconceived notions. Truth is illusive and personal.
Open dialog between people who may not agree with each other initially, and may never agree is more important. May people simply learn to respect each other, which is a more realistic goal for us all.
(Custard's Last Stand? Please say this is a typo!)
To the disturbed linguist of 8:17 PM, January 01, 2007: Julie is our own Monica Lewinsky, but you have even worse problems than Julie if you really believe "Gail has chosen to organize the CDO recipients into a unified front for all of us against the RWQCB."
Don't you know why McPherson has "chosen" to help the CDO recipients? Don't you know why she "organized" this group into a "unified" front? Has McPherson helped the CDO recipients by hiring a lawyer that put the PZLDF fund in debt so now they can't afford to hire a lawyer when they really need it, so McPherson can play lawyer -- thus locking up the board's case against the CDO recipients? Have you read, or worse, signed the McPherson Settlement?
You better learn to think for yourself, rather than seek an authority figure to "organize" and "unify" you, especially when that figure is "organizing" and "unifying" you for the slaughter house.
Don't you know McPherson actually works for the state, has worked with MWH, and has betrayed the CDO recipients time and time again, serving them up to the regulators to serve her own agenda?
If you are blind to how the CDO recipients have been helped from the frying pan into the fire, I don't think Freud could help you now.
Sewertoons,
"Saying that Stan, Gordon and Richard are evil as they killed us with corruption is exactly what I believe we need to give up to move ahead. What proof do you offer?"
If you don't get cable (at least 50% of the town doesn't), then go to the library and watch the past couple years of CSD meetings and compare what was said and by whom and what was actually done. If you do get cable and missed the comparison, then you just don't want to know. That's also why there's no written transcript of the meetings.
"BTW - What happened to Julie?"
I left out Julie accidentally. Corrupt to the gills. Proof? Your eyes, everyone's eye. The only one who doesn't see is Julie herself, which is typical of those who think they are just a little smarter than everyone else. Big mistake.
What on earth are you talking about regarding Maria Kelly?
I trust Maria Kelly knows what I'm talking about.
"I am not going to follow your words. We each need to find our own words and our own truth... I find your specious imperative unnecessary and egotistical."
A good, full sentence. I was being facetious of course. Don't follow me. Don't follow anybody. You're absolutely right, though -- I'm rather egotistica You see, if you're ever lost in the woods, or just plain lost, I know I'm one person you can count on to get you home -- even if you don't know it.
"Custard's Last Stand? Please say this is a typo!
Yes, this was a happy holiday typo. I drove all around late last night looking for Custard's Last Stand... but Carlock's wasn't open.
Veritas,
It really doesn't matter what they did or what the "new" board has done, either. It can all be bad, or if they had done wonderful things which still resulted in no sewer, we still all need to move on. We have to let go of all pasts and start from where we are now. We don't need to waste energy on finger pointing, we need to put all of our attention on what is ahead of us.
If you are going to cast doubt in this public blog on someone who is still working in the community, you need to state what you mean. Passing the comment off to "trusting" that Maria Kelly knows, does nothing to clarify the aspersions that you made public.
I'm glad that you can be counted on to get me home if I am lost in the woods. I hope that you are blogging and that I have my computer handy, batteries fully charged.
In response to Allen Martyns comment about the homeowners in the PZ being "BLINDSIDED" BY THE WATER BOARD. He's got it wrong, the CDO recipients (& that will be all of us in the PZ), were "taken in" by that con artist McPherson. She's the one that came up with that fatally flawed proposal & thought EVERYONE SHOULD JUST SIGN OFF ON IT. Fine for her to say, she wont be affected by any of her BAD JUDGMENT CALLS, because SHE's NOT IN THE PZ. WAKE UP PEOPLE,
SHE was responsible for ENDING HER wastewater career in Riverside, what makes anyone here think that SHE'S HERE TO DO THEM ANY FAVORS? She's here to "get even" & for that the entire Community & especially those of us in the PZ will suffer. Stop taking advice from McPherson. Do you HEAR that LOCSD BOARD OF DIRECTORS. Get rid of her.
In response to "anonymous" Jan 1 at 8:17, (Michael Jones, I think) If you weren't so "hung up" on Julie yourself, you might be able to see the FACTS here. 1.) McPherson has DONE NO FAVORS for the CDO recipients & all the peoplein the PZ.
2. Get it into your THICK SKULL, McPherson IS NOT a "UNITER, she's a DIVIDER". Can't YOU SEE THAT.
The handwriting's on the wall. Grow up & WAKE UP.
I am so sick of ignorant people degrading Gail. She has worked her ass off for the last 11 months to support the CDO recipients. She has not told us what to think, but instead has spent endless hours helping to find and organize the documents we needed to support our individual cases. Having faced the Waterboards before, Gail understood the inequities in the system and prepared us for a kangaroo court. (I verified this expectation early on by conversing with parties throughout California that had dealt with the Waterboards.)
When some recipients expressed an interest in a settlement, Gail supported those recipients and recommended that we get help with negotiations. Evaluating settlements with the Waterboards without legal advice is suicide. The settlement that many recipients were willing to sign was never excepted by the prosecution team or presented to the board. The prosecution team fooled many people into thinking that their settlement was the same document by changing the title to use similar wording to our proposal before mailing it out. To understand how bad this document really was, you had to understand the implications of various water codes. And no one could predict that waterboards would delete the few benefits in the final draft sent out after the hearings.
Lay off Gail. We need her support.
You just keep on believing Gail is helping. Some of us have consulted attorneys and are being advised to go a more sane direction. Gail along with Lisa may have violated some State and Federal Laws pertaining to document controls. We have been advised to stay clear of her and the investigation.
Anon @ 6:46
Lay off Gail? Okay, you can. You'll be the first to have to move out of your home.
Gail can take care of herself just fine. She won't leave, don't worry about that! She's already told us that she won't let go of her total control of the CSD or the community. Her job is not done until gets the 218 passed.
Gail's worked so hard for the CDO's, gathering all the information for almost a year when it was clear to most what the RWQCB was going to do and say, "you have a septic, you're in the PZ, then you're guilty" so if Gail was so smart, why didn't she know that (and we did)?!?
Why did she have all the CDO people meeting week after week for almost a year, running them into a tizzy? Oh, yeah, she did that to Lisa too. But obviously, Lisa is not too smart either. Nothing but bad advise from Gail to say the least.
You fools! You get what you deserve for being so stupid.
If you feel so strongly that the Waterboards are good honest rightous folks, I recommend that you bend over and accept their settlement. In fact, why don't you download it off their web site, sign it, and send it in now. They could post your name as a settler. That way you could show them your faith and loyalty and, hope for special consideration. No matter that you will be giving away your rights with no guarentee of squat.
And you feel that we're stupid for demanding a fair hearing.
To the blogger above:
You're not stupid for demanding a fair hearing - it's stupid to have Gail as the lawyer at the hearings rather than having a real lawyer. BTW, Ms. Sullivan was watching the hearings from home or work.
"Lay off Gail", you say! Hell, she's the one that "crafted" the "sell-out" to the CCRWQCB for the CDO recipients, she's the one who "crafted" AB2701, & SHE'S THE ONE who told everyone to "stand down" & the whole Community got "raped" BECAUSE OF HER & her BRILLIANT IDEAS & "top level connections". Give me a break!
My mother used to tell me to make sure when I spoke that my comments generated more light than heat.
Embarrassment, one of my trauma teachers said, is being caught doing exactly what you want to do.
The Buddha said that no matter what a person does, there will always be someone to criticize it.
The anonymity of a blog is a way for some people to express their thoughts with no consequences. For others the choice of anonymity on a blog is a way to act out without fear of being caught. Expressing opinions anonymously when they are obscene, defamatory, or misleading, or are simply untrue statements and suppositions disguised as facts is the equivalent of a drive-by. Destructive anonymous posting is a guerilla tactic to avoid embarrassment and responsibility while allowing those who practice it to vent rage and hostility at will without fear of reprisal. Anonymous assassination does nothing, however, to advance the discussion nor add to the knowledge base.
I have seen derogatory and defamatory comments made about many people on this blog, about some who have the courage to stand behind what they say by signing their names, about others who do not sign or who choose a pseudonym, and about others who have no connection with this blog whatsoever.
Specifically in my case, people have made suppositions about my and Bill's voting records, civic responsibility, motives, intelligence, and any number of other aspects of our lives about which they know little or nothing.
Opinions expressed on this blog about the Prohibition Zone Legal Defense Fund, its membership, and actions taken by its members often pass as fact. Opinions expressed about the conduct of PZLDF business, about the lawyer, about members of the group and their motives, intelligence, and background are passed off as fact.
If the person(s) making the anonymous, uninformed, misleading, derogatory comments has/have ever attended an informational meeting of PZLDF, then (s)he/they were not paying attention or did not stay very long. The person(s) making these statements has/have probably not spoken individually to anyone involved in the CDO defense or anyone helping PZLDF.The author(s) are obviously not assisting anyone in PZLDF. I would be surprised if the author(s)of many erroneously critical anonymous statements about the CDO situation has/have ever spoken to CDO #1041, CDO #1034, CDO #1001, or any other CDO number to get solid background information about the process we are engaged in.
The person(s) who have written anonymous derogatory comments about PZLDF and its membership are not the first to understand that success at the administrative remedy stage was not expected. We (Bill and I and a few other people)have had for months a letter from the SWRCB telling us that appeal to them was premature before a ruling by the RWQCB. Knowing that we are required to "exhaust all administrative remedies" (haven't I explained all this already?)before going before a court and a judge, our focus is to get as much into the record as possible in each of our fifteen minutes of due process. We know we will lose at the first and second levels. After jumping hurdles for just shy of a year we did not need an anonymous blog commentator to tell us that.
If you were coming to informational meetings, this info would not have been news to you, either.
It does nothing to help the cause of current and future CDO recipients to promote false or misleading information as fact.
Being critical without a knowledge base accomplishes no constructive end and serves no instructive purpose. To do so anonymously does not allow for discourse and problem solving. It merely serves to create animosity and takes any light out of the discussion. So much energy could be put to such good use and is so needed right now.
Thank you,
Bev. De Witt-Moylan
P.S.
Feel free to contact Bill and me for information on the CDO defense. We are in the book. As many times as I have made that offer not one person has called to get information. Our CDO hearing is on the 22nd at RWQCB headquarters in SLO at 1 PM. All are invited. Please come.
Anonymous sez:"And the fact that her column is there every week makes it appear to the more, how do I say, "casual" reader, that what Ann writes is fact. Ann's column even has a name, "Calhoun's Can(n)ons", which gives it more credibility and importance to the, um, "casual" reader."
Incorrect. The column runs every OTHER week, not weekly.
anonymous (more anonymouses) sez:"It's curious that you say you want the people of Los Osos to become educated on what's happening in Los Osos, when you, yourself, do not have a clue! Many of us know much more than you do.
Your teacher is Gail. You sound like Gail -- "train wreck" and "follow the dots" -- "
You need to go back and re-read my columns. Was using the wrods train wreck long before Gail came on the scene.
gosh, another anonymous sez:"peddling McPherson's skewed platitudes as her own, has"
time to dig out those old Cannons and do some re-reading.
Oh, Oh, MORE anonymooses who sez:"Julie Tacker is pissed at Ann Calhoun because of Ann's criticism of Tacker entering into a "business" relationship with Jeff Edwards"
Wrong again. Julie's not pissed at me. If she has any quarrel with anything in this blog, she logs on -- using her own name, not some anonymoose tag -- and speaks her mind. so, Nope, you got that wrong.
sewertoons sez:"If you are going to cast doubt in this public blog on someone who is still working in the community, you need to state what you mean. Passing the comment off to "trusting" that Maria Kelly knows, does nothing to clarify the aspersions that you made public."
CAVEAT to all: Keep in mind all the statements made as if they were facts by "anonymous" posters. Consider the source . . . anonymous. Please reread Bev's last posting concerning . . . anonymoooses . . .'Nuff said?
Regarding comments from Bev. DeWitt-Moylan, she says, "if we want factual information, attend the meetings"--HELL, we TRIED to attend "Gails meetings" & were denied entrance. Do you not recall on a cold, rainy night, she denied several elderly residents access to "HER MEETING"? It was absolutely incredible, that on such an inclement night, these folks were DENIED ACCESS by Gail, & a couple of her THUGS & GOONS. These citizens had EVEN CONTRIBUTED money to the PZ legal defense & that's how they get treated? McPherson needs to go & the LOCSD BOD need to TELL HER IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that her "help" is no longer needed or wanted". Her judgment calls STINK.
Beverly,
You are truly wonderful, but you are misled. You can be both.
You never needed Gail. She needed you more than you needed her. You don't know that because you're nice and naive, like Little Red Riding Hood. Gail never was nice, and has always been a wolf in sheep's clothing.
You are a gentle woman. Your husband is a gentleman. Many of the CDO people are average citizens, not gladiators. You needed help, so you thought. You needed someone to whip you into a unified force, so you thought. Curiously, you fail to mention one positive, solid result achieved by Gail on behalf of the CDO recipients, other than she organized you, she agreed to restart the prosecution, you all shared the same documents -- and a lawyer who drove now lawyer-less PZLDF into debt. For the accomplishment of carving a settlement that is actually worse than getting a CDO, you and the other 44 recipients could have just as well have handed in a blank piece of paper.
"Do you live in the PZ?"
Uh, yes.
"Do you use a septic tank?"
Um, yes.
GUILTY.
That you couldn't figure this out on your own is more a testament to the power of fear and dangers of passivity. That you allowed yourself to be used for political purposes and taken over by a dominatrix with a bent agenda is yet another shining example of why we continue to find ourselves as a community losing battle after battle.
I commend you -- and all the other CDO recipients -- for your courage, but if Buddha were alive today and Gail tried to bud in and organize, even Buddha in all his wisdom would have said hell no.
To achieve some balance in the information being presented in this "comments" section it is necessary to address the issues raised regarding both the meeting referred to in today's post by Anonymous 8:58 AM, and the nature of the settlement agreement developed by a group of Designated Parties in concert with the lawyer referred to in Anonymous post 12:48 PM from today.
Anonymous poster 8:58 AM was there, and so knows that the meeting he referred to had two functions. The first was to cover privileged and confidential information regarding our negotiations on a settlement agreement. Because it went on so long, Bill went outside to acknowledge the four Interested Parties present at least twice during that meeting and to explain that the confidential part of the meeting was still going on. Unfortunately, that part of the meeting lasted till there was no time or inclination by participants at its end to stay for a general meeting.
It is my experience that the meeting in question is the only general meeting which was promised to Interested Parties, but did not happen. Over the course of a year during which meetings have occurred nearly weekly that is a pretty good record. If any of the four gentlemen believe they did not get the apology they deserve for standing in the cold to try to attend a meeting that never occurred, I extend it now as I did so in person to at least one of them.
The settlement agreement offered to defendants by the prosecution was worked out between two Designated Parties and the prosecution. Because the door had been opened to a negotiated settlement, because the majority of us Designated Parties were unwilling to settle for the prosecution's version, and because we had hoped to work out a more constructive agreement, we engaged a lawyer to assist us to craft a document we could live with and that would help everyone in the PZ. We expected that a settlement would be a way out for all, including the Water Board. After a few negotiation sessions, however, the prosecution rejected our version outright and said they had already made their best offer.
Most of us are quite aware that the prosecution's settlement agreement is essentially worse than a CDO, but it does not carry the acronym, and therefore loses some of the unintended consequences of a CDO, making it attractive to those who are affected by a CDO's unintended consequences. Signing it gives others the sense they are off the hook, at least for now, in a process they don't understand and want to get out from under. The agreement that some people were coerced into signing before and during the hearing was not the one that originated with our group or emerged from our negotiations.
Chairman Young indicated at the December 15 hearing that negotiations could continue up to January 22 to try for a better settlement agreement, but Mr. Sato does not appear to be interested in negotiating a better deal.
I hope this message helps to clarify some of the points brought up by the aforementioned posters.
Thank you,
Bev. De Witt-Moylan
Weak response, Beverly. Sorry.
I'm sorry for you, Anon 2:56. To respond that way to Beverly is just plain rude. I believe that most folks here are good and kind and want the best for the community. Do you? Or you just interested in tearing things down?
I like the Buddha reference. Let's not forget Ghandi who said: "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Think about it.
Just back the county and build the sewer.
It would appear that proceeding toward ending the septic pollution would go a long way toward satifying the RWQCB.
Continueing to fight increases the states frustration with Los Osos. The state would not have had to go to a CDO prosecution process had the CSD continued building. I still see no reason for this continued fight. We would not be receiving CDO's if the CSD had continued the original approved, permitted and funded project.
There we go again. Blame the new board/blame the old board. STOP IT. Yes, get behind the county and build a sewer.
Anon: 5:25 PM, January 03, 2007
It was hardly my intention to be rude to Beverly, but it wasn't to coddle her, either. This isn't a sewing circle. Beverly responded with inconsequential generalities and superficial exposition that had nothing to do with ANYTHING I asked her.
My response was critical, not negative. I asked honest questions and got back zero answers. I did get a lot of filler though. Nice filler.
In the end, Gail is calling the shots, and the only shots that have hit their targets so far are those fired by the water board at Los Osos. Bull's-eye!
That's what happens when you have a jailhouse lawyer who's working the water board. Anyone who can't see this "just fell off the turnnip truck," as Gail likes to refer to Los Ososans. Did you know you are a turnip in her eyes?
Every single person who lives in the PZ has been sold out by the very person they thought was there to help them all. And help them all she did -- right out of their homes. Right out of your homes.
Once she convinces the CDO recipients to give their 218 vote to Reed Sato, Gail's job is done: Mission Accomplished. She'll be set for life, while the end of your life is just beginning. And it won't faze her in the least. Cold as ice, baby. Cold as ice no global warming could thaw.
I worked with her years ago, and I know what I'm talking about when I'm talking about Gail. But the damage has already been done. The damage has already been done.
Anonymous sez:"I worked with her years ago, and I know what I'm talking about when I'm talking about Gail."
Care to identify yourself then, since she knows you (having worked with you years ago) you shouldn't have to remain an anonymous poster here.
Churadogs said...6:14 AM, January 04, 2007
Anonymous sez:"I worked with her years ago, and I know what I'm talking about when I'm talking about Gail."
Care to identify yourself then, since she knows you (having worked with you years ago) you shouldn't have to remain an anonymous poster here.
Ann,
Of all the things I said, you choose to focus on my identity! Why? If I wanted to identify myself I would have. Explain why you ignore 99% of my comments? I believe your reasons are purely chemical.
I sez, again:"Care to identify yourself then, since she knows you (having worked with you years ago) you shouldn't have to remain an anonymous poster here."
and Anon sez:"Ann,
Of all the things I said, you choose to focus on my identity! Why? If I wanted to identify myself I would have. Explain why you ignore 99% of my comments? I believe your reasons are purely chemical."
Nope, still no identity.Hmmm, that's interesting.
churadogs said...
I sez, again:"Care to identify yourself then, since she knows you (having worked with you years ago) you shouldn't have to remain an anonymous poster here."
and Anon sez:"Ann,
Of all the things I said, you choose to focus on my identity! Why? If I wanted to identify myself I would have. Explain why you ignore 99% of my comments? I believe your reasons are purely chemical."
Nope, still no identity.Hmmm, that's interesting.
7:35 AM, January 05, 2007
OK, ANN, WHY IS MY IDENTITY SO IMPORTANT TO YOU? DON'T BOTHER TO ANSWER THAT -- I ALREADY KNOW. I'M NOT GOING TO SEND YOU ON A WILD GOOSE CHASE, LIKE GAIL DID ON SELLING THE COMMUNITY ON AMENDING AB2701. WHY WOULD I TELL YOU MY NAME ONLY TO HAVE YOU PICK AT MY FLESH LIKE TWIN VULTURES. ALL I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT YOU KNOW WHAT I SAID IS OUT THERE AND IT'S REAL, AND THAT GAIL AND I GO BACK A WAYS AND, LIKE THE SONG SAYS, "I'M A GAIL WATCHER"!
Anon above -- don't waste your breath. Ann never addresses what she doesn't want to address, don't you know that? She has a reputation for 90 degree slant. You can plainly see she doesn't have an ounce of integrity or a grain of conscience. I'm sure she's on McPherson's payroll to write her blurbs. I believe this is called a duet -- one canary, one jailbird.
In response to Bev DeWitt-Moylan's explaination of McPhersons meeting where she kept the citizens waiting in the cold & rain, I agree that her response was WEAK. She stated that the meeting had "2 functions & one was to cover privileged & confidential information"---If, in fact, the entire PROHIBITION ZONE is affected, then what was so "PRIVILEGED" regarding THAT meeting? These citizens live in the PROHIBITION ZONE, so what's priviledged & confidential? Also, if the PZLDF is out of money & STILL owes the attorney, does that mean that the entire PZ is "on the hook" for that bill????
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