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Tuesday, June 09, 2009

BOS Complaint Docs Parked?

Former CSD Director, Lisa Schicker, sent an email to County Counsel Jensen noting that she had “parked” the various documents included with her formal complaint regarding MWH and the short-list issue. For any readers of this blog interested in looking at the original docs, this link should help.

“I have also uploaded all of the files already sent to the BOS, Planning Commission and to you, beginning with March 28, 2009. I have placed them in a "sky drive" - a "msn" utility that allows me to park all the files in one place - they are arranged chronologically, as I submitted and spoke on numerous occasions.Here is the link to those files: https://cid-4552988ff6bd052f.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Supporting%20Documents%20-%20LOWTP%20Formal%20Complaint%20-%20Contract%20Procurement%20Process%20-2009

65 comments:

Shark Inlet said...: Thanks for the link, Ann.

Lisa providing the ability for any interested party to read her complaint is nice and I appreciate it.

I would suggest it would be even nicer to have all those files in one directory (zipped together, of course) for ease of download.; 9:43 AM, June 09, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Why so lazy Steve?; 9:50 AM, June 09, 2009
Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCK said...: A better way to do it is compile a zip file full of the documentation and have it uploaded via Mediafire.com.; 10:08 AM, June 09, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: It's soooooo easy to criticize...what about the folks with limited speed connection? A large file would tie up their line for hours… Zipping-up those files won’t make them any easier to read.

But you boys ought to take the bull by the horns and git'er dun, if it will make you happy and such…; 10:38 AM, June 09, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Research by The News-Press has found the following hidden within the contracts for the utility lines and the
water plant:
• Layers of management fees.
• Huge contractor profits.
• No incentives to lower costs.
• Contract clauses that make it difficult for outsiders — or even city auditors — to get an accurate view of how
the money is spent.

Dig in there mice!
There is meat!!!

Thanks Lisa for posting files.
They are organized and tell a very story which will support "the case".; 11:04 AM, June 09, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: They are organized and tell a very "compelling" story which will support "the case".; 11:31 AM, June 09, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Watch our Inspector General of the Federal Reserve in action!

Makes you feel real comfortable about who is watching the country's monetary system!
And they want the government to run health care?

So if you are wondering where your money went, forget it, they don’t know where our money went either!.
An absolute colossal train wreck is heading our way!!; 5:31 PM, June 09, 2009
Shark Inlet said...: Perhaps it was both the brilliant idea of a law which prohibited regulation of derivatives and a law which allowed any kind of company into the business of selling an unregulated product while farming out the regulating duties to some sort of variant on the free market where companies get to pick their regulators and regulators get paid only if they are regulating someone ... it is asking for trouble.

Nope, the train wreck has already happened ... now it is up to government to fix the mess that was caused by the assumption that government is the enemy.

Did you read that congress is now considering "pay as you go" (which helps keep a budget balanced) but it is Republicans who are opposed. No wonder deficits have climbed under Republicans but not under Democrats ... the Republicans just wanna give away money to their friends (has anyone checked out how wisely money has been spent in those no-bid contracts to Haliburton?).; 12:07 AM, June 10, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Steve,
How do trillion dollar Democrat deficits fix the economy?; 6:21 AM, June 10, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: “Why wasn’t vacuum collection studied by Paavo’s handpicked/no bid/single source consulting engineer?”

There isn't any proof that the septic tanks are polluting the aquifer.
If there was you would show it, wouldn't you?; 6:23 AM, June 10, 2009
FOGSWAMP said...: Shark Inlet

The X-examination of Inspector General of the Federal Reserve Inspector General Elizabeth Coleman by former prosecuter (Democrat)was all about "Auditing the Fed".

This is not a Republican vs Democrat debate, on the contrary, it's a bi-partisan effort because the Federal Reserve has never been subjected to an "unconditional audit in the past"

Ron Paul's HR 1207 bill "Federal Transparancy Act of 2009" has around 165 co-sponsors comprising of both Democrats and Republicans.; 7:25 AM, June 10, 2009
Shark Inlet said...: Mark,

Perhaps you ought to study Economics a bit ... paying attention to Japan's recent recession and the great depression in particular.

Fogswamp,

I was talking about repealing Glass Steagall, the Graham-Leach-Bliley act and the massive mess that is regulation in general and OTS in particular.

Why do you think I was commenting on Mark's remarks?

Oh ... I get it ... you expected conversations here to make sense and for them to stay on-topic. I apologize for following Mark's example and posting an off topic remark in the assumption that others would care.

And speaking of that, how about the US soccer team? Mark, do you think their play is solid enough to compete in the World Cup this next year? Myself, I think they'll make it out of the group stages unless they end up in a "group of death" like last time around.; 8:25 AM, June 10, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: FOGSWAMP,

It is refreshing that someone in LosOsos "gets it"...

Steve,
How do trillion dollar Democrat deficits fix the economy?
Please explain it to us...BWAHAHAHAHA!!!; 8:42 AM, June 10, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Steve,
Try explaining it to me like I am the age of your children who will be paying for it.

Don't forget you are adding to their pain with an extra $100,000,000.00 leaky bs sewer pipe in their front yard.

“Why wasn’t vacuum collection studied by Paavo’s handpicked/no bid/single source consulting engineer?”

There isn't any proof that the septic tanks are polluting the aquifer.
If there was you would show it, wouldn't you?

The questions remain, daddy...; 8:45 AM, June 10, 2009
Shark Inlet said...: Mark,

The answer is simple ... and yet you seem to have not even bothered following up on what I suggested you read for if you had, you wouldn't be asking for an explanation.

Try looking up the multiplier effect in macroeconomics. Let's put it this way ... suppose GM closes a factory in your town, a factory which is actually making cars which turn a profit, not only are the x thousand employees all of a sudden unemployed, those who provide services to those employees are as well ... grocery stores, gas stations and the like. There could easily be 5x or 10x worth of "ripple effect" jobs lost.

In short, if the government keeps some people working who would normally be let go (in a perfectly free market) there will be a smoother transition ... a dramatically shortened recession.

And if you wanna talk about deficits ... why not start with the presidents and congresses who have done the most to expand the debt? Why not pin blame on those who have spent excessively and who have opposed spending restraint? Why not put the blame on those who have chosen to fund huge endeavors with "emergency spending" and kept them out of the budget?

Don't get me wrong ... I a conservative in at least two senses ... but the current Republicans in congress and the past administration was not conservative in most ways. They did seem to take the point of view that business (and especially large businesses) needs a helping hand to achieve success. Corporate welfare is not conserrvative. For example, what was the logic in giving $19B in handouts for oil exploration to oil companies turning record profits? Why give billions in farm subsidies to corporate corn and soy producers already making bank but not to smaller farmers growing products with higher nutritional value? Why promote ethanol at all when it is net energy loser? Why delay conversion to more energy efficient vehicles just becuase Detroit whines it will cost too much when, in fact, those extra costs would be recouped within three years?

Nope, from this Republican's point of view ... from a longterm good of the nation point of view, your blame of the Democrats makes you sound pretty silly ... like someone who believes that government isn't just a necessary evil, but the enemy.

Speaking of that .... how are your explaining to your kid the health of your local aquifers when his school is distributing state-printed material pointing out the problems with overdraft and how Phoenix will be in overdraft until at least 2025 so it is necessary to conserve water?; 10:45 AM, June 10, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Steve,
You have demonstrated why government is out of money not how the econmoy gets fixed.
If you are satified with yourexplanation, you deserve to lose your job, which may happen anyway.

Phoenix is not in over draft.
It does not rely upon ground water.

If you had dug into it like I suggested you would know that, no matter how many times you try to tie Phoenix to the State's Phoenix Active Management Area.

I feel sad for your children Steve.
They have a blithering idiot government dole employee for a father who wants a bs leaky over priced pipe in their front yard.

Very sad indeed...; 2:44 PM, June 10, 2009
Shark Inlet said...: For those who would want to download all of Lisa's files at once ... a zip version is available at http://sharkinlet.fileave.com/Lisa.zip.; 3:30 PM, June 10, 2009
Shark Inlet said...: Ps ... I believe I got everything ... if there are any errors, please let me know and I can repackage everything correctly.; 3:42 PM, June 10, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Never has there been more interest in sustainability and corporate social responsibility and the market has matured to embrace this green and clean technology.
Except in SLO County…; 5:24 PM, June 11, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Never has there been more interest in sustainability and corporate social responsibility and the market has matured to embrace this green and clean technology.
Except in SLO County</a

This link has the information I intended to share.; 5:26 PM, June 11, 2009
FOGSWAMP said...: Shark Inlet

Thank you for your explanation.

Your response to Marks' link was certainly off the wall as you state, and certainly off topic as you also state.

However, it all came across as an effort to focus folk away from the fact that our Inspector General in charge of the Federal Reserve is clueless as to where the money went.; 6:58 PM, June 11, 2009
Shark Inlet said...: Fogswamp,

My desire was not to misdirect but to both point out that Mark is off topic waaaaaay tooooo much and that if you wanna start to talk about the federal government you've gotta be reasonable and not just blame the new guys when the previous 8 years had some influence on what has happened and is happening now.; 7:07 PM, June 11, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: What clear thinking you have, FOGSWAMP!!

It relly is refreshing to see there are those who comprehend what is really taking place.

The United States of America is becoming a more "uncertain" place to live with each passing day, these days...; 7:38 PM, June 11, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Steve,
With a new Administration and both houses of Congress under control of the same "Demoratic" party, what is the purpose of playing the blame game now, son?

I know mis-direction and rhetoric is all you and the other hiding mice have.
You will not escape paying for yor bs leaky, soon to be sealed, sewer, should Paavo get his way.; 7:46 PM, June 11, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: For the mice "Democratic"...; 7:47 PM, June 11, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: It really is refreshing to see there are those who comprehend what is really taking place.; 7:50 PM, June 11, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...
Spin is the use of rhetorical devices to convince others of your opinion.

An argument is when you use facts and reason to convince others of your point of view.

Both are reasonable.
10:26 AM, March 06, 2009; 8:22 PM, June 11, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...
Spin is the use of rhetorical devices to convince others of your opinion.

An argument is when you use facts and reason to convince others of your point of view.

Both are reasonable.
10:26 AM, March 06, 2009

Steve,
Perhaps you should send a copy of "this" post to your "Supervisor"...; 1:24 PM, June 12, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: I hear Paavo is down to $28,000.00 left from the $7,000,000.00 he took from the county coffers.; 9:18 PM, June 12, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: From: Mark Low [mailto:Mark@NOwastewater.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:01 AM
To: pogren@co.slo.ca.us
Cc: BGibson@co.slo.ca.us
Subject: Freedom!

Greeting Paavo,
I understand there is $28,000.00 left from the $7,000,000.00 you have requested from the Board.
Please consider this a Freedom of Information Act Request for the invoices and cancelled checks, which support the financial activity you and your team have paid out towards your LOWWP “study” process from the beginning to present.
I understand this is a tall order which will require considerable effort and may take more than ten days to produce so I will be patient as you perform the necessary and fiduciary work in response to this request.
Regards,
Mark Low
602.740.7975 voice
480.464.0405 facsimile
Mark@NOwastewater.com
P.O. Box 1355 Mesa, Arizona 85211
Spero Meliora "I aspire to greater things"; 7:02 AM, June 13, 2009
Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCK said...: County Counsel hasn't met his self-imposed deadlines for releasing his response regarding Schicker's MWH complaint.

How long does it take to deny something?; 12:04 PM, June 13, 2009
Unknown said...: ...could it be that another lawsuit against Ms.Schicker is being prepared...??? Legal delays should be nothing new to someone who says he has studied law...; 2:26 PM, June 13, 2009
TCG said...: The County Counsel has already verbally "denied" the allegations. Having that office formally document a response with everything else, much of which is actually important, going on at the County Government should not be a high priority use of dwindling County resources. His missing an informal deadline does not concern me.

It is critical that this project get underway as soon as possible for many reasons that have been discussed in this blog. B.S. allegations by people with such unsuccessful personal histories involving this project, and others, is nothing but counterproductive to getting a project underway.

I'm tired of people like Ms. Schicker and Ms. McPherson delaying the recovery of this community, and appreciate the County staff staying the course in spite of the never ending hurdles being put in front of them.; 9:59 AM, June 14, 2009
GetRealOsos said...: TCG:

And I suppose you endorse sole-sorcing.

I suppose you endorse the County not following the (CEQA) law.

I suppose you endorse Carollo hiring buddy (past employer) MWH (gravity).

I suppose you endorse the worst and most expensive project.; 10:25 AM, June 14, 2009
Unknown said...: GRO...and do you also endorse sole sourcing Lisa and Gails legal council for the CSD5's "we have a plan".....???????

...you also endorse the CSD5 mismanging all the District's funds...???

...and you certainly endorse lying to the community in order to futher a small groups agenda of creating as many costly delays as possible....????

Move to Watsonville if you want perfection... you sure won't find it in Los Osos....!!!!!

Q&F GRO, Q&F....; 10:33 AM, June 14, 2009
Unknown said...: ...or maybe move to Mesa, Az, land of the over-draft...!!!!! but you could slid over to Phoenix where there apparently is no over-draft...; 10:35 AM, June 14, 2009
GetRealOsos said...: Mike,

You're a real sweet heart. Gotta love it.

Anyway, TCG is endorsing the County.

I'm not endorsing anything about Gail or her legal actions. That's all in the past anyway. I'm talking about what's going on right now.

But, the County should not be sole-sourcing or spending our money like crazy for nothing. $7 million?! Wow. I guess when it's not your money, you can spend it freely. What a scam.; 12:42 PM, June 14, 2009
Unknown said...: ...but you're saying it was ok for Schicker to sole source the legal services and to free spend the District into bankruptcy through poor financial management... Great GRO, you have your head in the hairy darkness... breathe deeply, I really don't care what you do...; 1:59 PM, June 14, 2009
GetRealOsos said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 4:04 PM, June 14, 2009
GetRealOsos said...: Mike,

No, I'm talking about now. Right now. And what the County is doing.

No CEQA
Sole-Sourcing
Wasting Taxpayer Monies
Lie after lie
Broken Promises
...and throw in some fraud

Good thing the Feds are looking into the County. There's a whole lot there.; 4:05 PM, June 14, 2009
Unknown said...: GRO... you can't be selective... you helped screw this up, you lied to the community and you broke a lot of promises... You do remember "the Plan"...??? You do remember the 3 good men you lied about... you remember the lies Gail and Lisa spread, you remember the very public affairs of Julie... No GRO, you can't have a "do over"....!!!!

You have no clue what you think you mean by saying "the feds are looking into the County."

Go back to your holistic "doctor" and buy some more feel good...; 5:52 PM, June 14, 2009
GetRealOsos said...: Mike,

I've asked you before, and I'll ask again -- What lies have I told?!

...and what promises did I break?!

...and I screwed what up?! Tri-W?

Tri-W was screwed up from the get go.

And talk about lies -- the big lie of pollution.

The big lie from Pandora to form the CSD to build a sewer and about ponds, etc. etc. etc.

And the Feds are looking at the County. Sure, I don't know the details, but there's plenty of corruption so I'm sure they'll stumble onto something.; 8:50 PM, June 14, 2009
Alon Perlman said...: Has anyone actually read through the files?

There is not an index.
I went through about 20%
one folder is empty.
This one looked interesting but I could not open it.
https://cid-4552988ff6bd052f.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Supporting%20Documents%20-%20LOWTP%20Formal%20Complaint%20-%20Contract%20Procurement%20Process%20-2009/6-May%2028,%202009/paavo%7C4s-ok-29ktoMWH-no-authority11-12-99.pdf

The CYA letter from Paavo to Lisa regarding weivers may be moot if ab2701 was in affect at the time that the billable interactions between the county and the consultants took place(consultants who were under contract with the CSD)
I was hoping for an actual copy of the backdated contract (Buell).

A response from the attorney general at minimum."Although detailed documents and evidence was sufficient for the DA to find that a crime was indeed committed, prosecution did not occur at the time of the discovery, based on an interpretation of statute on limitations
"

"Why was David Edge fired?" is included in the submission.

I'm no lawyer, but since I regularly make lawyers watch me eat their lunches before sending them back home to get dessert, I'm fairly confidant that these documents (only a small portion reviewed) aren't the portion of the iceberg that sinks the ship of state.
As per language-seems to me that the risk of libel is unnecessarily flirted with.; 11:38 PM, June 14, 2009
Unknown said...: Yes Alon, Lisa's "complaint" is not a complete picture, although it appears to show how disorganized she is and was when she tried to be heavy handed in her "control" of the CSD... When acting as President, she also felt she was above the law... she still seems to feel that being "Past President" of a bankrupt CSD, that she has some powerful voice and still believes she is above the law... Libel...??? Yes, there are some looking into her words and actions in that regard...

Perhaps she is trying to create an insanity plea for the TW lawsuit...??? Too bad gail can't share the same defense...; 6:45 AM, June 15, 2009
Churadogs said...: TCG sez:"The County Counsel has already verbally "denied" the allegations."

Actually he "denied" what he held in his hand. He hadn't had time to actually look at all the "attachments" yet so didn't have a chnce to track down what was in those documents. Until he does that he can only "deny" the surface allegations as they appeared to him at the time of "denial." It remains to be seen what he makes of the rest of the docs. And, since lawyers disagree with one another all the time over the meaning of "what "is" is," I suspect we'll get an elaborate report denying everything that may or may not be correct. So sue us, will be the bottom line. That's my guess.; 7:36 AM, June 15, 2009
Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCK said...: I'm working on a new blog entry regarding this issue, but there are a couple of things that I wanted to say before I continue working on it.

The County did say that their rebuttal would be comprehensive and it would be available to the public on their web site at slocounty.ca.gov.

It's been more than a month since Jensen said that he was going to investigate the allegations and it's been two weeks since the self-imposed, informal deadline. I've always believed that if you go on public record and say when you're going to release a report, informally addressed or not, you do it.

Lastly, the issue regarding MWH is expandable. Further investigations can and probably will uncover more.; 1:09 PM, June 15, 2009
franc4 said...: Mike...you poor lost soul,

You just don't get it, do you?
Ms. Schicker stated why she is making this complaint...as a CONCERNED CITIZEN...can't you read, or what?
Where did you get the assumtion that she thinks "she is above the law"? She is trying to see that the law is OBEYED, but then you are still nursing a broken heart from Julies rejection, you just aren't thinking straight....not to mention you are stuck on stupid and living in the past.
Why don't you put yourself on the line (like she is doing)...leaving herself open for ridicule and GOSSIP the likes of you? Why don't you make your accusations in public...in a court of law, even, instead of HIDDING here taking cheap shots and someone who is fighting for the rights of ALL the community....yes, even a dolt like you!; 2:58 PM, June 15, 2009
Unknown said...: LMAO franki... you do really are clueless if you think Lisa is trying to up-hold the law... Hell fran, she's broken more laws than you and I could have ever in a whole life time... but she's coming to trial this year before Christmas... We'll just have to wait to hear what a court of law says...; 8:33 AM, June 16, 2009
Unknown said...: C'mon franki.... I tweeked your know it all butt in nose... I guess since you really have zero connection with Los Osos other than your desire to preach, you don't know anything about what is happening... Have fun playing with yourself franki... You don't have the slightest clue what has been happening to Los Osos thanks to the CSD and their puppet mistress... But Gail won't be the one paying the $2M back to the district... but it will be paid back.... 'nuf said at this time... more to come....; 7:43 PM, June 16, 2009
Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCK said...: New blog article regarding County's response to Mrs. Schicker's complaint can be found here.; 8:46 PM, June 16, 2009
Unknown said...: SLO Grand Jury has also found nothing in Schickers "complaint"...

....and... there is a nice gentleman from the State AG been here this week...they also have a "little" interest in the CSD5's actions... So far all the legal activity has been in pursueing Civil Actions to return around $2M misappropriated by the CSD5 to the District... ...and it looks like soon to follow will be Criminal Investigations... don't count on the CSD5 simply walking away...

Unless Calif closes the doors, we should see more of the gentleman from Sacramento...; 9:06 PM, June 16, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: MIKE:

On balance the illegal SRF Loan to "r" and his crew must be considered by anyyone from Sacramento with anything to do with this "process".
Aren't you reading what Ron “Bodaious” Crawford has been writing or is it just that don’t you understand it?

Of course one would need intellectual honesty to understand fully what is actually legally at stake.
Please do keep up your prattle; it’s par for your course and I can use the “laugh”…

Have you seen “sorry, I forgot his last name” Lynette over drinks lately?
Were you ever able to confirm where your friends and family in Arizona actually live?

You never did report your Florida findings.
I guess they weren’t what you were expecting.; 9:56 PM, June 16, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Bodacious...Fun huh?; 9:57 PM, June 16, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: One more thing MIKE: It is said that "no amount of learning can cure stupidity".
Q & F LMAO...; 7:16 AM, June 17, 2009
Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCK said...: Today, the Tribune has an article about the formal complaint.

Some of the comments underneath the article are rather perverse.; 5:20 PM, June 17, 2009
Unknown said...: ...and Aaron... I didn't write any of those comments... Perhaps Schicker should take heed that there really are some in this community who don't like the way she ran the CSD and don't like her constant complaining today....; 5:40 PM, June 17, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: MIKE:
Once again, on balance, "r" and his crew were responsible for a loan and a back dated contract which were not Kosher.

I'll bet there are far more who think Lisa did a better job than "r" as evidenced by the "fact" she was not removed from office.

How you keep ignoring that fact proves you are a "dupe" or a "dolt", take your pick.

Any response from you at all MIKE will keep me laughing...; 6:07 PM, June 17, 2009
Alon Perlman said...: While I'm not saying that there "isn't anything to the idea that illegal stuff happened"
and, while I'm not sure that even a successful legal action against the county, at this time, is good for Los Osos,
I'm not against a competent presentation that may "bust this thing wide open" and may have an indirect consequence of a positive intervention by a higher agency, that may result in a better project than what the county has now.

However, having unzipped it, it is somewhat easier to go through. And I did read some more. It is hard to find the shreds of beef in this taco, due to a lack of organization, including the documents submitted twice under different title. And the direct comments by county Chief deputy District Attorney responding to the verified illegal backdating, are as yet, nowhere to be found. So no, I just don't see this package as having any weight in the legal or political (outside the PZ) realms. This bird pellet shotgun blast at 200 paces is unlikely to be the shot heard around the world. Lots of echoes in the echo-chamber though.

Lisa learned the shotgun approach from Gail, and applied it while director to comments to the RWQBC basin plan. (relates outside PZ)
Some public thought a 50 page submission back then was good.-Lessons not learned

Some public will think the current action is good.
Some commentators will ignore the quality versus quantity issue due to wishful thinking.
I think Lisa genuinely believes she is doing the right thing.

I know she doesn't know otherwise.
After all she signed the complaint;
"Most Sincerely, Lisa Schicker.
former LOCSD President and Board Member with direct knowledge about the MWH investigations Los Osos CSD 2004-
2004-2008

Word verification: consa
Consequences, intended or otherwise.; 6:08 PM, June 17, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: Actually every quack and fib from you MIKE will keep me laughing out loud.; 6:13 PM, June 17, 2009
Alon Perlman said...: That would be Chief Deputy DA Steve Brown who commented (in '06?)
according to a newspaper article in one of 3 supplamentals.; 8:39 PM, June 17, 2009
Aaron Ochs - Managing Editor of The ROCK said...: Perhaps Schicker should take heed that there really are some in this community who don't like the way she ran the CSD and don't like her constant complaining today....

People need to understand this one principle. People ought to focus on addressing the issue first before the character. The person caught in the crosshairs, Mrs. Schicker, is not the issue. The issue is the contents of the complaint. The issue is the legality of the events that transpired prior to initial discovery.

Lisa's actions on the board are not the issue. Her previous actions as a member of the board may be an issue in the issues that are of interest to you as a supporter of Taxpayers Watch, but what she has done beside reporting the potentially illegal conduct of Mr. Ogren and Mr. Buel has no relevance.

I think you, Alon, haven't read most of the key material presented. Given the times I've personally talked to you, you also have clear prejudice against Mrs. Schicker herself -- so maybe, just maybe you're not the best judge of the content found in the complaint, especially when you admitted earlier that you haven't read most of it.; 11:11 PM, June 17, 2009
Watershed Mark said...: One of the key issues that remain unaddressed by most is the "why" in "why wasn't vacuum collection studied by Paavo's handpicked/no bid/sole source consulting engineer?”

I will continue to ask this question until it gets addressed fully.

Shooting a messenger doesn’t change the message.; 12:14 AM, June 18, 2009
FOGSWAMP said...: Watershed Mark

You stated many times "why wasn't a vacuum system studied by Paavo".

Isn't there "gravity" in a "vacuum"?; 9:20 AM, June 18, 2009
Alon Perlman said...: Ah, Aaron still falling into the clearly marked Man-Holes.

The ONLY Issue is; how well written, compiled and reserched does a legal complaint have to be, in order to provide a result of prosecatorial action (or adjudicatory relief) at a later date. Especially when a portion of said complaint was previously reviewed and not acted on by the appropriate authorities.

Do you really think that I didn't expect you to pounce on the admission that I havn't read all the material?

I was very tempted, last night, knowing ahead, to post a response to your as of yet unwritten response. (Courtasy Alert, Open manhole-Plagerisem)

I posted that admission of incompleate reading twice, along with versions of the statement that "I can't find the actual statement by the DA that uses the word "criminal" (3 times, indirectly, 4 counting this)
And a news report, an article about what a DA said, simply doesn't count. Yes, I found that.; 5:15 PM, June 18, 2009
Alon Perlman said...: "your self appointed job", had you taken it seriously, was to provide analysis of the complaint, and as a Shicker supporter, reading that I questioned if that document is contained in a packet that you read, you could had simply;

1. Stated that it (DA response to original backdating complaint '06) is in the packet, and where.
2. found it elsware, provided it to Ms. Shicker and posted it.

Your overarching analysis of what the county is thinking is not badly written. but I'll bet you nitrates to saline intrusion, that there is nothing in your analysis that could not had been written on the day the Governator signed 2701. OK, the design build part. (It could had been Design bid build.)
Any half functioning cynic could had predicted that it would had been gravity all the way, that it would be the big corporate Monkey Harza.
That Lisa would be the one, that her submission would have extemporaneous material. Etcetera....
Dude, Los Osos is not all that hard to figure out.
Yes, you simply haven't addressed anything within the complaint.
Given all this, You actually havn't demonstrated that YOU read the complaint. Even on your own Blog!
Remember, I am a past LOCSD Environmental committee member and a past Emergency Services committee member, and as a participating citizen have advocated some but not all of the positions similar to Lisa's. And very few of her actions, post the Ripley report.
And as an Observer of goverment in action, (Sorry, Inaction). Yes I have Jedice (as opposed to prejedice). I have directly observed and where appropriate, commented (and with increasing frequency, constructively) on the actions of ALL board members.
If I properly figure out the start date, (somewhere in late '05-'06) I can comfortably say that I have attended more CSD meetings than you and Lisa Shicker combined.

At this point I have responded to a portion of your last paragraph, addressed to me.
Since I am a current member of Los Osos Community Advisory Council and I do have a (very minor today, quite time consuming tomorrow) task to preform. I am going to leave this for now. Should you respond while I am virtually absent, please take care to clarify if any or all of your remarks addressed to an unnamed Taxpayer watch supporter pertain in your mind to me also. (I am, as are you, naturally included in the category-"people")
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OK- I see it must be Mike.
Never the less, please clarify, prior to going into one of your clever asides. As I explained previously, there are multiple ways by which Los Ososians get their info, and one of the most insideous is by cutting and pasting (or "Summerizing")from the blogs and then circulating them to the innocents who may not realize how things are deliberatly taken out of context. (of course the misquoted originator is unaware of the character assassination going on)
I'm sure you wouldn't want to be part of that.

Unfortunately today's "word verification" is not "digestitfirst"
but maybe consult with the credible witness who was present when the alleged Prejedice took place. Do you want me to let you know how to find him?; 5:17 PM, June 18, 2009

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