Question For the CSD Dissolvers
According to CSD Attorney, Julie Biggs, if the CSD is dissolved, then all ordinances passed by the CSD or ordinances/contracts/assessment taxes, etc. passed by the voters living within the CSD also go poof! including – now pay attention here – the CDF Fire Tax Ordinance, the one the community voted on not long ago, the one that gives the community a higher level of service for less cost than the previous fire contract offered.
Gone. If the now dissolved community wants to go back to whatever County Fire/emergency Plan was in place before the CSD was formed, will they get the same level of service for the same price? Or will it cost more?
If they want to hold another special election, that’ll cost about what? $20,000.
In perusing the various flyers being handed out by the group interested in dissolving the CSD, I don’t recall this matter being discussed at all. So, Taxpayers Watch, this inquiring mind wants to know.
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Spending $20k once (about $4/household) is considerably less expensive than allowing the CSD to continue to push for a plan that may cost as much as $100/month more than TriW.
As you've said yourself, Ann, we shouldn't worry about chump change items (recall how you dismissed a cost increase of only $4M ... or $800 per household ... to have an out of town plant).
Also, I don't recall you complaining about the cost of the special election for Measures B, C, D and E.
If you want to get outraged at something, how about getting mad at the Solutions Group for promising us something they didn't deliver even though our costs went up and the Recall group for exactly the same?
So what is the purpose of bringing this up? I echo shark, $20,000 is a drop in the bucket. I don't think this is much of a defense for keeping the CSD.
Also, were I you, I would recall that BIGGS said that Measure B would protect us against fines... grain of salt perhaps? Or a bag?
I am finished here. I would only comment that the low life person that would assume identities, use foul language, and make unfounded personal attacks such as the alledged Joey Racano, and those who use foul language, should be bannished. I might make the observation that these fools, have made the people of good will abandon the support of the current LOCSD.
It is these type of people that have made the Los Osos situation impossible.
If one supports these people for a political agenda, you are no better.
I must make a decision to support scum, foul language, agenda, misinformation, ignorance, or take a stance for human excellence and reason.
I stand for reason and excellence.
To Mike Green: Excellent work on your own blog. To shark: your rationality is appreciated by maybe six.
To Ann Calhoun: Love you, everyone appreciates a court jester. Twits are important, they reinforce the opinions of rational people, twits are apparent. Thank you for confirming that dissolution is the only solution. Thank you Joey for reinforcing this.
"When you lay down with dogs, you catch fleas." The current LOCSD and supporters are fleas, sucking the blood of property owners. We are talking about MONEY here, and if the courts do not support their actions, BIG MONEY: loss of property values, pumping, fines, and other consequences.
We are in the courts. Respect for the law must prevail!
Gosh, Spectator, does that mean we won't be hearing from you again?
As for dissolution being the only solution, since I'm a "twit," that must explain why I'm STILL waiting for factual, accurate, truthful informaton from the County that dissolving the CSD will remove all the CDOs, that the County and County Engineering has actually signed off on assuming the sewer project and returning the Triw W sewer plant to the middle of town, that the County will assume all of the CSD's liabilities and defend against any and all lawsuits that will surely ensue once the sewer plant is re-started, that LAFCO has indicated that they will be reccommending dissolution and, finally, that the County actually intends to vote to take the community back. To date, all I've heard from the county is . . . silence.
Of course, being a Twit may also mean that my head is filled with sawdust and my ears are stoppered up with beeswax, and so I was just MISSING all those official assurances from The County.
Ann, I don't believe that the County is the group that gets to tell us what happens to CDOs. The RWQCB is that group. Ask them.
Furthermore, even if CDOs won't be removed in a dissolution, it doesn't mean that a dissolution is a bad idea on the balance. Certainly it is a factor, though.
I find it odd that you are now arguing that we ought to get all the information before making a dissolution decision. Why didn't you want to get all the information about the "out of town" plan of those behind measures B, C, D and E before promoting that idea.
Ann typically provides information that supports her POV.
She's a columnist, not a reporter. Perks of the job.
Just look at her public documents diatribe. She completely ignored that 6-7 cities were only identified for not providing a phone list, which they did for privacy objections - not because they had major problems complying with requests. And she complains about the Tribune's lack of context!
It appears that Shark and toons are again victims of selective reading or the fact all the services and ordinances you mention don't mean a thing to them. Why do you think that is?
Expectorator gone? Damn maybe we should bust out with the basic cable profanity more often!
Amazing how rudeness with some folks is always a one way street & when their bullshit gets called they get pious, huffy, or just get plain unhinged.
Ann, you are not a twit, you are a thorn in their side, a voice thet try to be crush with derision and pomposity.
" I have the numbers" "Tri-W uber alles". Dissollution & brutal punishment, these are the calls that will unite this community, only these voices matter. All others are fools to be laughed at or bullied.
Bouquets and beer to Ann, Ron, This LOCSD board & Dana Ripley.
A Pile On the Refugee from the Snark, verks and now probably from Toonces predicted within 6 hours and counting...
I don't think that the RWQCB (which is what you meant to say on the CDO's) or the county are going to be very forthcoming on what they are going to do as they don't have all the parameters in which to place their answer.
Do you really think the county is going to say, "sure, we want more work, and we know just what we are going to build?"
One fact though, if the CSD is dissolved, the county HAS to take the governance of this community back, like it or not, and this community needs to comply with state law regarding discharge. The county doesn't VOTE to take us back.
If the CSD is gone, the county will assess the options available and put in a sewer where they find the most viable spot. We do not know where that will be, and how could they at this point? The CSD might surprise us next meeting and say that they have a buyer for Tri-W. The county doesn't have the money or time to waste answering specious questions.
The CSD's liabilities could possibly be rolled into the price of a new sewer if the CSD goes away. They are not going away even if the CSD stays. Either way, thanks to the present CSD we have this debt, and we will pay for it.
As to services and ordinances, we certainly have learned that Ms.Biggs assertions are not necessarily fact. (The supposedly protective Measure B, in effect, got us the CDO's.) The community voted the CDF Fire Tax. The community didn't go away. That will be up to the courts.
LAFCO isn't going to recommend anything until they have looked at what is presented to them. They will look at it in June, the 15th, I believe.
Be patient, Ann. We are never going to know all of the facts in advance. That is called LIFE. And because we want to continue to have a life here, we are trying to get rid of the CSD.
Either way, thanks to the present CSD we have this debt, and we will pay for it.
Actually, it's thanks to the recalled three that we have the debt. If they had not started pounding that money into the ground, the SRF would still be in Sacramento.
Ann,
Wrong again. Thanks to the CSD (irregardless of board members), we have this debt. So Ann, if it was wrong to get the SRF before the election, is it not wrong as well to spend the SRF on lawyers and reports it wasn't intended for?
Now, if there was no SRF money, where would the money for the reports and lawyers come from??
Ann,
You forget that it both the start of construction (which you consider to be a mistake) and the stop of construction (which I consider to be a mistake) that has caused the debt. Your choice to blame Stan and Gordon is out of line if you're not going to blame Lisa and John as well.
The fines and CDOs were caused by the stopping of construction alone.
The previous CSD pounded all that money into the ground RIGHT BEFORE an election that would change the location! So it is thier FAULT for the big debt! They intentionally front loaded the project to spend us into submission! Ann I am so sorry you have to deal with these screwed up dissolvers.. And I still confirm that a property was condemned by the previous CSD on Ramona. It was in a early summer meeting Buel called a 'friedndly condemnation'. Check it out. respectfully Anon
Okay, sure ... the current board's decision to stop construction and keep the remaining money and to spend it on stuff other than construction has nothing to do with our debts.
You are right that if the money hadn't been borrowed in the first place, the nature of our problems today would be different.
If you eliminate the mistake of putting the project out to bid and starting the construction BEFORE the election (and we knew there was going to be an election BEFORE they put the project out to bid) then you eliminate the mistake of having to stop the project after the election. It was the first mistake the CAUSED the second. Like I've said two or three times before, it's the same obstructionist now, who are campaigning AGAINST a project and for a DIVIDED community via the dissolution movement, it's these same people who campaigned AGAINST a project back in 1998 when they promised us all "better, cheaper, faster" and after 8 years, presented us all with an energy guzzling sludge factory next to the library for $205 a month....not faster, not better, definately not cheaper....thanks Pandora, thanks Solutions Group, i mean taxpayers watch......thanks for nothing. Now, let me think, who should I listen to? The people who totally LIED to all of us 8 years ago and totally screwed over our community....these same people who want to TAKEAWAY MY VOTE......these same people who want me to pay at least 15% MORE FOR WATER SERVICE, FIRE SERVICE, GARBAGE SERVICE, AND A WASTEWATER PROJECT? Or, should I listen to a Government who listened to the people of Los Osos on September 27, and has decided to actually represent the majority of the community and let the people who live here have a say in their wastewater project.
HHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....
Well, I let the Solutions Group/Save the Nightmare Dreamers/Taxpayer Watch assholes fuck me over once already. Sorry, I'm not going to let that happen again. Support your local Government that wants to represent YOU the citizens of Los Osos, support an interim septic management/water conservation program in prelude to a wastewater project that actually makes sense.
Have a nice day.
The real spectator, a man of good will, having joined back in August 2005 replies to the false identity and fraud using his good name, @6:31 pm, 3/29/06
JJJOOOOOEEEEYYYYYYYY! Or want to be.
First of all I wish all to read the fraudulent comment carefully, twice will suffice. Consider it carefully. Enjoy the undocumented reasoning, and misguided speculation. This is a very angry person, sick and consumed. And he is right to be angry! VERY RIGHT!
His pocketbook will be severly emptied by government intrusion. He will have to PAY! We ALL will PAY. The question is when, how much, where, and for what.
Criticize me all you want and use reason to show that I am a fool. Where is your logic? I will accept this. But to take over my identity is a FRAUD, and it just goes to show that you are a very angry, sick person, rejected, and desperate. The proof lies in your actions. Your ACTIONS are sick, and those who you apologise for are not helped by your fraudulant actions. You bring disgrace upon them by association.
Relax and smell the roses. This problem is very complex. It will take years to sort it out in the courts.
Have a mentally healthy day! One beer will do wonders for anxiety.
Will these identity assumers just stop it? You are proving nothing but your own stupidity, as it is easy to discern the real from the fake. Stop wasting my time.
To all, Unless someone hacks into the blogsite and starts assuming MY identity on the MAIN PAGES, everyone should assume that NOBODY logging comments in this section is who he/she says they are. We have so many anonymouses and now duplicated Spectators and who knows who else. NEar as I can tell, there is no way, except to check postings, to determine who's who. Even Mike Green, the only one who's signed his "real" name may not always be Mike Green, So, take everything typed in this box with about a pound of salt. Please.
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