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Thursday, March 06, 2008

PZLDF's Day In Court, Again

Yesterday, Judge LaBarbara issued a Tentative Ruling and in lieu of a hearing requested all parties to submit objections in writing within 10 days to his Tentative Ruling. According to PZLDF attorney Shaunna Sullivan, most of the Los Osos 45 arguments were upheld (meaning they can chug along) but that several need either more documentation (originally lacking because the RWQCB was dragging their feet getting the record together and when it was finally received it was a mess) so that info will be gathered together and re-submitted and re-argued. In short, stay tuned.

According to Ms. Sullivan, one of the points in the PZLDF lawsuit isn't just to get fair, legal treatment of the Los Osos 45, but to ensure that the abuses in this whole CDO Enforcement process won't be visited upon everyone else in town. That is, the actual CDO recipients who brought this case could "win" and have their CDOs vacated because of proceedural blunders, BUT twenty minutes later Harvey Packard, staff member of the RWQCB, has full authority to slap CAOs on everyone in the PZ with absolutely no public hearings required, a "paper hearing only" with, of course, an SWB automatic denial of any "appeal" guaranteed, period, end of sentence. He's free to also change the date the fines start, in short has authority to bring any enforcement proceedures he sees fit. All that will be required is a rubber-stamp agreement when the Board again meets and that's that. It's THAT sort of regulatory abuse, with no checks and balances, that this PZLDF case hopes to correct. And correct it to protect everyone in the PZ. Not just The 45.

Sadly, too many in the community don't seem to "get that" wider issue.

Oh, Lucy, Now Jooooo Reeellly, Reeeeellly Gotta Lotta 'Splainin' to Doooo

Part Duh-Duh. Headline in the March 5 Tribune: "Los Osos Sewer Plans Move Ahead," and notes that the county has authorized contracts to chug ahead on the EIR update and . . . "The draft of the environmental report will analyze nearly two dozen potential sites for a sewage treatment plant -- at least four of them in detail."

TWO DOZEN? AT LEAST FOUR OF THEM? If you want to understand the tragedy of what happened here in Los Osos, those seven words say it all. Two dozen sites, at least four sites worth a serious look. Note the one key thing missing from that sentence, the one key piece of information given to this community repeatedly by our [recalled] elected officials: "Tri-W is the ONLY and BEST and LEAST EXPENSIVE site, all out of town sites are waaaayyy more expensive or can't be done. We have no choice but to go with Tri-W. "

ONLY, BEST, NO CHOICE. TWO DOZEN. AT LEAST FOUR.

Read it and weep.

$$$$$

Also of interest in the Tribune article is this: Part of the money from the assessment will be spent on ". . . establishing a plan to help disadvantaged property owners pay for a wastewater treatment plant." Right now, the state does have two programs available for people over 62, with disabilities and/or limited income( i.e. you don't have to be disabled just over 62, have at least 20% equity in your home, limited income & etc.). One program is a yearly flat payment and the other a program to defer property taxes until the home is sold. And if you sign up for both, the flat payment can be applied against the defered tax amount. Both programs need to be "splained" by the County as well as other strageties available. The deferred property taxes program would have to be also considered side-by-side with the appreciation rate of homes in this area (ignore the present "bubble" downturn. I've seen at least three of those things come and go and house prices always start back up and in this area, one simple rule applies: Most Beautiful Spot On Earth +No water = no growth = limited housing stock = supply & demand = high prices. So the figure to consider is appreciation versus any taxes owed versus having to move.)

Further info is at the State Franchise Tax Board (www.ca.gov/individuals/hra/index.html) and/or the State Controller's Office. (www.sco.ca.gov/col/taxinfo/ptp/geninfo/obtaining.shtml (in hopes the link works)

At any rate, if you know anyone who might benefit from such help, let them know they need to start snooping early and often.

69 comments:

Watershed Mark said...

Goverment studies, then needlessly chooses to build an expensive project useing out of date leaky/polluting technology that requires "assistance"(money from other people) to help those it seeks to have pay for it's "choices"....

Fortunately the federal and state statues "regulate" those "choices". We know it, Government and her people should too. It shouldn't take a Judge to say so...Let's not get stuck on stupid.

These are California Water Laws that prevent the "LOSTDEP" from being blown out of proportion:
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Low
To: rbriggs@swrcb.ca.gov ; Harvey Packard
Cc: assemblymember.blakeslee@assembly.ca.gov ; BGibson@co.slo.ca.us ; Hkolb@waterboards.ca.gov ; John Waddell ; Mark Hutchinson ; pogren@co.slo.ca.us ; Hudson.Joyce@epamail.epa.gov ; McGovern.Cheryl@epa.gov ; Ong.John@epamail.epa.gov ; Strauss.Alexis@epamail.epa.gov ; tom@nowastewater.com
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: 13301.1 "all possible assistance"


Gentlemen,

I have spoken with several CDO recipients who inform me that
they did not receive the "assistance with order" as prescribed
in 13301.1 below.

Would you please explain why that assistance did not occur?

As you now know the RECLAMATOR satisfies all requirements
including but not limited those in 13301.1.

Respectfully yours,

Mark Low
AES DES
www.NOwastewater.com

http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/water_laws/docs/portercologne.pdf

§ 13301. Cease and desist order PLEASE READ



§ 13301.1. Assistance with order

The regional board shall render to persons against whom a cease and desist order is issued pursuant to Section 13301 all possible assistance in making available current information on successful and economical water quality control programs, as such information is developed by the state board pursuant to Section 13167, and information and assistance in applying for federal and state funds necessary to comply with the cease and desist order.

Here is the "key" Ladies and Gentlemen:

ARTICLE 6. GENERAL PROVISIONS RELATING
TO ENFORCEMENT AND REVIEW
§ 13360. Manner of compliance
(a) No waste discharge requirement or other order of a
regional board or the state board or decree of a court
issued under this division shall specify the design,
location, type of construction, or particular manner in
which compliance may be had with that requirement,
order, or decree, and the person so ordered shall be
permitted to comply with the order in any lawful manner.

*Also, how can a leaky sewer be installed and permitted in the PZ where "discharges" are prohibited?
Remember SLOCO PIS...500 gpd/per mile/per diameter inch ~P~I~P~E~?

Ron said...

Ann wrote:

"Tri-W is the ONLY and BEST and LEAST EXPENSIVE site, all out of town sites are waaaayyy more expensive or can't be done. We have no choice but to go with Tri-W. "

The funny thing is, that's actually true... IF you develop a "project objective for centrally located community amenities" for your sewer plant! (Now, if there was only some connection between someone responsible for developing the Tri-W embarrassment, and parks? Ai-yai-yai...)

"Oh, Lucy, Now Jooooo Reeellly, Reeeeellly Gotta Lotta 'Splainin' to Doooo"

And how do the 1998-2005 CSD Boards explain why there are all of a sudden dozens (plural!) of potential sewer plant sites today?

Two words: "Julie Tacker."

Question: So, 1998-2005 CSD Boards, recent county documents show that the Tri-W site is, BY FAR, the worst location to build a sewer plant in Los Osos, save Sweet Springs Nature Preserve, and that there are literally dozens of potential sites that are much cheaper, out of town, downwind, and environmentally preferable, so, why did you select the wildly unpopular, expensive, mid-town ESHA site for your sewer plant location?

1998-2005 CSD Boards' Answer: Julie Tacker.

See how that misdirection works?

Unknown said...

Nice try Ron, but as usual you no not what you speak!

If you believe that Julie What-ever-her-name-is-these-days, then you, as she, are ignoring the constraints placed on the prior CSD to locate the sewer within the bounds of the CSD, NOT OUTSIDE on County regulated property. You don't seem to understand (or want to understand) the legalities governing a Community Service District. Julie never could understand why the CSD couldn't just operate in any way it chose. The result is a BANKRUPT CSD and more lawsuits than they will ever be able to continue to ignore!

Keep trying Ron, maybe one day you will wake up and realize there are some damn good folks who actually live in LO, who have seen through the Tacker Schicker mismanagement and do support the efforts of the County!!!!!

Watershed Mark said...

"Oh, Lucy, Now Jooooo Reeellly, Reeeeellly Gotta Lotta 'Splainin' to Doooo"

Where's Gadfly when we need her?

Mike,In case you missed this here it is again:
*Also, how can a leaky sewer be installed and permitted in the PZ where "discharges" are prohibited?
Remember SLOCO PIS...500 gpd/per mile/per diameter inch ~P~I~P~E~?

I Love L.O.!

Unknown said...

Hell Mark, let's just stay with the existing septics and not worry about a few leaks... even the Reclamator will have leaks, and infact does indeed discharge into the soil (isn't there something done about the left over solids, or do the magic bacteria take care of that?) and there is no instrumentation to record chemical output vs input... so lets all join hands here in Utopia and sing Cumbaya once again....

Unknown said...

Mike ignorantly said... "the constraints placed on the prior CSD to locate the sewer within the bounds of the CSD"

That's a good one Mike... we can add that to "you can't cross a creek with a sewer pipe".

I can't believe after all we've bene through, you're trying to shovel that shit here. There are no constraints, none, never have been, that said the CSD had to build their project within the bounds of the CSD.

It's uninformed, ignorant, misinformation that got us all in this mess to begin with... so, Mike, please, for the sake of everyone... keep your crap to yourself.

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

How about - It's just more expensive to put it out of town?

Unknown said...

Gee Steven, you must be the new attorney for the CSD. Thanks for your input, I'm sure your very informed CSD has all under control with your advice.

Watershed Mark said...

There are no constraints, none, never have been, that said the CSD had to build their project within the bounds of the CSD. "Got ink?"

Mike said...
Hell Mark, let's just stay with the existing septics and not worry about a few leaks... even the Reclamator will have leaks,...incorrect
and infact does indeed discharge into the soil....incorrect

(isn't there something done about the left over solids, or do the magic bacteria take care of that?)...the "ash" will be harvested on average(depending on amount of use) once every five years

and there is no instrumentation to record chemical output vs input....I see you have not read or do not understand the RECLAMATOR Engineering Report loxated on the homepage of www.NOwastewater.com...'nuff said.

so lets all join hands here in Utopia and sing Cumbaya once again.... I Love L.O.!

Churadogs said...

Sewertoons said:"How about - It's just more expensive to put it out of town?"

I asked Bruce Buel at the time for a ball-park guestimate to run a pipe out of town & etc. was was told between $5-6 mil more. Think the de-novo hearing docs, coastal commisison docs guestimated that puttting a sewerplant out of town would be between 1 million CHEAPER or 5-6 million more expensive. My question AT THE TIME was this: a million less and/or 5-6 mil more on a (then) $150 million dollar project is chump change. Shouldn't the PZ residents be asked to vote on which project they wanted to buy? Had that happened, via a 218 or advisory vote, this train wreck wouldn't have happened.

Unknown said...

Ann, you should have asked Lisa and Julie why they were splitting the Board decisions and in fact obstructing any sewer back then.

There is more to the story than the simplistic guessimate opinion you just printed.

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

So Ann, are you saying, if the Board had agreed to do a 218 -- as asked to do during the Blakeslee compromise, (which they turned down, thereby stopping the compromise), we would have gotten that vote that you say would have avoided this mess?

Are you finally admitting the "new" board screwed up?

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

Ann says:
"Two dozen sites, at least four sites worth a serious look. Note the one key thing missing from that sentence, the one key piece of information given to this community repeatedly by our [recalled] elected officials: "Tri-W is the ONLY and BEST and LEAST EXPENSIVE site, all out of town sites are waaaayyy more expensive or can't be done. We have no choice but to go with Tri-W. "

Please note: No one from the County is saying these sites will be cheaper.

Shark Inlet said...

Ann,

We've discussed this issue several times ... the $1M less to $5M more ... that cost does not include any of the costs of a re-design or any increased costs associated with the necessary delay.

For you to continue to use this number as an estimate of the actual increase in costs when it was just an estimate of the difference in the physical costs if both projects were to be built at that time is just plain dishonest or dumb. I don't know whether you are trying to misrepresent the situation or whether you've chosen to not address the inflation and design cost issue yet again.

Two and a half years ago you avoided the question by saying stuff like "you're just speculating". Sometime in the last 30 months you should have been able to think thru this issue which seems to keep coming up again and again.

Just go and ask Bruce what he meant. Just read the documentation presented with that estimate at the de-novo hearing. It is clear as day, those numbers don't mean what you keep telling us they mean.

Anonymous said...

Watershed: Please read AB2701 carefully, it is good news for YOU.

Notice the word "within" which occurs more than once.

Watershed Mark said...

Jon:
We appreciate your thoughtful statement!
Also the word "centralized" never appear appears in AB2701.

Unknown said...

...and neither is there any reference to a Reclamator...???

An inadverdant mistake or a true understanding of the process...???

Watershed Mark said...

Blakslee did not know about the technology or the law that supports its promulgation and use, when he helped craft AB 2701. He does now...

Do you think that if AB 2701 were being crafted "now" it would have passed in the legislature?

Do you think the Governor would have signed it?

Wait and see MIKE, unless you are getting "themail" from me or soeoe else, you really aren't up to speed and therevore not in as good position to be commenting.

The LOSTDEP RECLAMATOR Solutio is on step and moving quite quickly at this time;-)

I Love L.O.

Unknown said...

Mark, you've been BS'ing public about the Reclamator for so long that the technology has certainly been known...and rejected!!! You just can't accept that LO will not embrace these maintenance hogs. You don't have the credence in the wastewater treatment community that you seem to believe.

You have been told long ago to take your Reclamator to the Federal level and fight your battle there. LO is not going to be your Poster Child.

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

I think if I ever see the word "promulgation" again, I'm going to scream.

So, mark, are you taking samples of water out of the end pipe of your shiny, new Wrecklamator to prove how wonderfully it is working? Or do you not have to bother with scientific data anymore since you have your 13-year old report?

Unknown said...

Sewertoons, We just have to take Mark's "word" that the Reclamator has the perfect chemical brewery to exchange all human waste stream products into drinking water. We just have to take it on faith and pay our monthy "service" fee. Not even Ron would buy into this farce without at least an attempt to instrument the process cycle.

Watershed Mark said...

Mark, you've been BS'ing public about the Reclamator for so long that the technology has certainly been known...and rejected!!! .......Sorry Mike not an accurate statement. No bull.

You just can't accept that LO will not embrace these maintenance hogs....I see you do not understand the technology. No bull.

You don't have the credence in the wastewater treatment community that you seem to believe. Wanna bet?

You have been told long ago to take your Reclamator to the Federal level and fight your battle there. USEPA early last year told me to go local. LOCSD/County is as local is as it gets...No bull.

LO is not going to be your Poster Child. You are correct! The citizens of LO/BP are going to be world visionaries. No bull. Wanna bet?

Watershed Mark said...

Sewertoons said...

I think if I ever see the word "promulgation" again, I'm going to scream.

So, mark, are you taking samples of water out of the end pipe of your shiny, new Wrecklamator to prove how wonderfully it is working? Or do you not have to bother with scientific data anymore since you have your 13-year old report?

.............I will "make widely known" the test results when appropriate.

Watershed Mark said...

Mike said...

Sewertoons, We just have to take Mark's "word" that the Reclamator has the perfect chemical brewery to exchange all human waste stream products into drinking water.........I see you do not comprehend the engineer's report regarding the RECLAMATOR technology.


We just have to take it on faith and pay our monthy "service" fee......It appears you did not receive the mail I sent out today.


Not even Ron would buy into this farce without at least an attempt to instrument the process cycle.....Do you always speak for other people? I "know" Ron Crawford can communicate his thoughts and ideas at will wothout any encouragement or assistance from anyone, including you.


The LOSTDEP RECLAMATOR Solution continues on step.


Feel free to stick with the county's sewerage study.


We are remain interested how they will pay for the resource of value coming out of all the RECLAMATORS should the county end up demanding a connection to a ~P~I~P~E~. Perhaps you can provide some insight about what Paavo, Bruce and those "engineers" are thinking? If you can do it for Ron it should be a snap for you to do it for government and her consulting engineers. After all they are constrained by the laws of the land, aren't they?

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

So mark, who is conducting your tests, how often are you testing and which lab are you using to analyze the samples?

Unknown said...

Just a song and dance. It's a waste of time to think Mark would put out any honest data. Sounds too much like the LOCSD smoke and mirrors show, just change out Gail's name and insert Marks's.

I'll wait to see just how the RWQCB accepts the "proof".

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

I agree with you mike. It's just "showtime" in wackydoodle-land with this pair.

Watershed Mark said...

Life is a highway you two...Highways have two lanes heading in opposite directions.
If you ask questions, at least you could answer a few..."exfiltration/infiltration/carbon footprint/Native American Burial Site disturbance" to name a few...

Toons did you want to call the lab?
I will promulgate the results when apporpriate.

Meanwhile here is a little more "entermation"/"infotainment"; http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=GoeWoS-4EJY&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i.ytimg.com/vi/GoeWoS-4EJY/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskL7XWW1eErZoVdEUZeDQOne

The LOSTDEP RECLAMATOR Solution continues on step...

I Love L.O.

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

Thanks for the wild goose chase mark. "We're sorry, this video is no longer available."

Is this the kind of service we can expect from AES?

Watershed Mark said...

Toons: Try this one : http://www.youtube.com/v/GoeWoS-4EJY

Watershed Mark said...

Maybe there were a few hundred other folks tuned in when you were attempting to acess the server. Rest assured there will be no interuption in our service.

You are free to stick with the leaky sewerage the county is studying...

I Love L.O. WE LOVE IT!

Anti Waterboarding said...

Alert, Alert, Torture Alert!!!

This blog has become torture. Watersh%t Muck is violating the Geneva convention by torture. Reading ad nauseum this marketing drivel is driving me crazy.

Talk about waterboarding!! oh my!!

Iraqi prisoners are treated better than the drip, drip, drip of postings by the clown Muck.

Send Watersh%t Muck to Guantanamo Bay or Guacamolie Bay.

How's that Lost Strep, Lost Drip, Lost Clap, whatever web-site doing Muckie-Boy??!

I imagine he's probably pretty on par with about zero hits on that stinking site, that's why ....

...heee's BACK at this site, killing it with quotes, no data, promises to promegranite Los Osos with the latest pee purveyor contracts or petty legal pee threats to previous posters.

Watersh$t Muck, or Waiting for Godot, or Wanting LO Dough, you are drowning our own little Los Osos tet-a-tet here amongst ourselves with your unwelcome, unwanted, unfunny, and most of all, BOORISH postings.

You are, simply, a Kill-Joy.

C'mon, give us another Jeffersonian or The Jeffersons quote.

You have left out three letters on your posts.... it's not You are LO... it's You are LOSER!!!!!!

Thanks for propping the Real Estate Market, why not buy another 15 houses and put in your pee perfected pipe dream in 15 more houses so you can perpetuate more cuties Mama Bear & Papa Bear paraphernalia!!

Stop the tortue, buy only if I sign up to a contract with the Johnney Lost Dep.


LOSER!!

Anti Waterboarding said...

Dear Watersh#t Mark:

Here's a poem just for you!!!!

There once was a quack with a quick-fix.

He decided to be a royal prix.

So he went to Los Osos, with a contrap he claimed Osmosis,

He said all you do is pis,

Let the pipe re-arrange to a mist!

It worked like a charm,

Installed on his farm,

as he threatened all,

to court he would haul,

just pay him to stay,

or pay him to go,

just pay is all he would say!!!

Watershed Mark said...

Pandora,

Have you been drinking....again?

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Watershed Mark said...

In the spirit of prose:

All the King's horses and all the King's men cannot put Pandora's Sewer DREAM back together again.

Unknown said...

Your kids writing your responses now?

Watershed Mark said...

Mike: Mission accomplished?

A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.
Albert Einstein

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

Then get a clue mark from Einstein. Your alternate universe vision for Los Osos is just that.

Watershed Mark said...

No answers, toons? No Misson, No problem...Stick with the county sewerage study process.

Why was Noel King rehired? Is Paavo Ogren "unqualified"? See what I mean here...

Unknown said...

...Is the Reclamator approved by the RWQCB and or San Luis Obispo County for installation through out the PZ? Yes or No? Plain and simple, Yes or No?

Unknown said...

Ann -

You took action on the potty mouth crowd and it improved the blog. Can't you do something about Mark Low hijacking the space to pitch the reclamator. I think we've all had an opportunity to hear the promises. The repetition is tiring. The real new would be the water board approving it, or some established company purchasing the rights. After all, if it does what they say there's a world market for the product. Why keep this marvel in Los Osos?

Watershed Mark said...

Mike said...

...Is the Reclamator approved by the RWQCB and or San Luis Obispo County for installation through out the PZ? Yes or No? Plain and simple, Yes or No?

YES.


YES. Later this day or this evening the "mail" I sent around a few days ago will be posted on a "button located on the NOwastewater.com home page. You are welcome to send me your email address ("contact us") and I will add you to the blind copy list of several hundred, so you'll receive important information as it "pays out" or you can continue to stick with Ann's Land. Of course the county sewer study process is always available as well. On the link you will see;

1)County Stamped Cover Letter
2)RECLAMATOR Engineering Report
3)531 PPP beginning on page 39 of the last exhibit in the RECLAMATOR engineering report

As I have written before the technology is supported by the law which call for its promulgation and implementation. The RECLAMATOR is the "ultimate" pretreatment solution which completely eliminates the need for a sewer ~P~I~P~E! in L.O./B.P. and beyond.

Watershed Mark said...

Ann -

You took action on the potty mouth crowd and it improved the blog. Can't you do something about Mark Low hijacking the space to pitch the reclamator. I think we've all had an opportunity to hear the promises. The repetition is tiring. The real new would be the water board approving it, or some established company purchasing the rights. After all, if it does what they say there's a world market for the product. Why keep this marvel in Los Osos?

P528- I think the record will certainly show that when asked a question or when a comment is addressed to me or mine, I have responded in a mannerly way which helps to illuminate any information that may be in question.

Your comment regarding "hijacking" is a bit overstated as everyone is free to offer a technology or solution and can continue to stick with the county study of leaky sewerage. After all those who will use the RECLAMATOR will not be "stuck" on the ~P~I~P~E~.

I think it is worth the cyberspace to discuss it.

Your business advice is appreciated but isn't necessary as the business plan continues on step, step by step. You know "a process".

When are you going to "fire up" a big ~P~I~P~E~ blog? Anyone?

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

mark says:
"I think it is worth the cyberspace to discuss it."

Fine. Why don't we do that somewhere else?

mark says:
"I think the record will certainly show that when asked a question or when a comment is addressed to me or mine, I have responded in a mannerly way which helps to illuminate any information that may be in question"

mark, it is all of the other stuff you repetitiously post here that answers no question that has been asked that is getting really, really annoying. You really have no concept of marketing do you? Rule number one. Do not make your potential customers loathe your product. But I guess you don't see yourself as doing that, do you? Self awareness is a useful tool. You might try finding it at your local shrink.

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

mark, while you are posting all of that stuff, why don't you give us pages 2-51 of the NSF report?

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...
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Watershed Mark said...

Toons:
I cannot "give" you a copy of the NSF Report, for the reason stated previously- Doing so would violate NSF's protocol.
The State of California has a copy.

May I suggest that you stick with the County study of leaky sewerage process.

When are you going to start a "county study of leaky sewerage" blog.spot?

Infiltration/Exfiltration/Carbon Footprint/Energy useage. Issues like these that the County operated TAC won't discuss...

Got space?

Watershed Mark said...

The "button" I wrote about above is online here: http://www.nowastewater.com/documents/AES_permit.pdf

The Future of Water has arrived.

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

mark says:
"I cannot "give" you a copy of the NSF Report, for the reason stated previously- Doing so would violate NSF's protocol."

You stated no reason previously, this must be progress.

Watershed Mark said...

Sewertoons said...
mark says:
"I cannot "give" you a copy of the NSF Report, for the reason stated previously- Doing so would violate NSF's protocol."

You stated no reason previously, this must be progress.

A review of the blog revealed:

Watershed Mark said...
Toons: Maria put on her TAC hat dfuring the BOS meeting today. My comments are when she requested a copy on line last week, when she held on to citiaen hat with both hands when questioned.

I see you do not
understsand "biology" and system design.

The NSF is third party verification that the BESTEP 10 denitrified "beautifully". The process is proven even if it was 100 years ago.

A RECLAMATOR is the BESTEP UF-900 or A BESTEP 10 with a membrane.

Giving you a copy of the entire report would not be ethical as you could copy it ad nausea. See what I mean.

The State of California has a copy, so your accusation that we are "hiding something" doesn't hol;d water.

I love raw fish and fishing. So I know how cut bait...

5:45 PM, March 04, 2008

I Love L.O.

Anti Waterboarding said...

alert, alert!!!! stop the torture!!

poor Ann,

how unseemly to have this blog hi-jacked by the galactic order of the obnoxious blog-stalking vacuum salesman,

'Pandora drinking again'!!

OMG!! is that the best comeback from Watersh&t Muck??!!

if that is the creativity that defines the Reclaimator Brain Trust, God help their business; but then come to think of it, the totally devoid of substantive responses that come from this circus act of a salesman, why would one expect any different?

drip, drip, drip, ... the waterboarding of this blog continues,
unabated torture making this blog into whatever shell of debate if there ever was any.

where there used to be some spirit of engagement between various posts there is only the cyber shouting of Watersh*t Muck shilling his elixer, reminiscent of an infomercial for car wax..

'Buy the Wrecklamation now for only $19.95, and if you phone in the next 10 minutes, you'll get on this amazing order a piece of worthless paper that we tell you meets the Federal statute. But Wait!!! there,s more. For the first 100 callers, you get.......
a copy of the Federalist Papers with a neverbefore published illustration of Hamilton's ear-ring. That's right, folks! Almost 236 1/2 years later, we find Alexander actually stole Burr's ear piece and started a trend that emerged only years later!!! but Wait, there's more,
place your Wrecklamationgator order in the next 27 minutes, and you'll also get a 3 CD instruction manual 'Magic Sand' for the novice, 'Trenching for Dummies', and our personal favorite, 'Learn how to spell P-I-P-E'!!'


Got Bilked?! Got Milked!? Don't worry, there's more of that ilk!!

But wait!!! There's more, with your purchase of a Wet-tomater, we'll put aluminum siding on your house for only $69.95 a month indefinitely, installation extra, terms and conditions are such a minor detail let's not bother pure genious at work!!

GRRRR!! The Bears are mad, don't get that Moma Bear going. hmmmm, makes we wan't to run over to A&W for a papa-burger. GRRRRRRRRR!!!

drip, drip, drip, the torture continues!! waterboarding, waterboarding, waterboarding. OK, I give up, I give up, I'll sign the contract, just stop posting!!!

Anti Waterboarding said...

Latest folksy sayings from your Wetlamtor sales force:

Got Space!!!

ohhh, so cutsie!

Why not,

Got Spaced!! Pass the brownies Watershackles Muck! Hey, dude!!!

How about,

Get Space!!

yeahh, works in Scrabble, too!!!

Everyone, picture Watersh^t Muck like the scene in Airplane, the adjacent passenger who goes on and on and on and on and the passenger ends up committing suicide.

Get Lost, Dep!!!

how's that one!!???

and BTW, Watersh@t Muck, your ingratiating attempts to kiss Ann's rear is sooooooo obvious, even she must be showering 5 times a day to get the lip gloss off!!

Watershed Mark said...

The waterboarding has ceased. The LOSTDEP RECLAMATOR Solution/ Technology and the law which supports its promulgation and implementaion made it possible.
The county's leaky sewerage study simply and sadly sought to prolong the "torture".
-Got Bilked?! Got Milked!? Don't worry, there's more of that ilk!!
Pandora's sewer dream is over. Turn the page...Got Bear looking for bull///

OK, I give up, I give up, I'll sign the contract, just stop posting!!!
I'll bring the agreements to go over w/coffee @ Starbucks on LOVR Thursday say 4:30/5:00 pm? I'm buying, for everyone who will show up. Toons, 13, MIKE, Pandora... anyone.

Anti Waterboarding said...

Count me in, bring in some of those worms you use for bait!!!

Agreements. Yeah, let's all bring paperwork, call the Trib, and we can watch Watersh*t Muck, aka, Aluminum Siding salesman.

'Pandora', yeah, that's the ticket, always bring up 'Pandora' - great sales technique to cozy up to the clients, Muckie-Boy!!!

'Pandora', squaaawk says another Muck the parrot, squaaaawwwkk 'Pandora', ho ho ho, isn't that sooooooo funny and now everyone's my buddy cause I invoke her name!!!!!! ho, ho, ho aren't I just one of y'all there in Los Osos bubba!!!!

Got Spoof!!!

Watershed Mark said...

Let's make it "Five" shall we?

Watershed Mark said...

Let's make it "Five" shall we?

Unknown said...

Here's a little bit of what's so fun about Los Osos and the wonderful job of spreading "truth" about any sewer: lifted from today's Tribune Sewer Blog fom someone called Yearsrushby to our friend CrapKiller.

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"You made the following stupid comment: "So a person that owns rental property is not a HOMEOWNER?"

I SAID - THE 218 VOTES WERE FROM A FEW WHO OWNED THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTIES IN TOWN. I.E. VAN BURDEN. HE STANDS TO MAKE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY OFF THE BIG SEWER. ALSO, THE CSD, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE COUNTY PROPERTIES ARE NOT HOMEOWNERS.

What you have is basically 5 to 6 people that decided on the 218. People who will profit greatly off of the backs of regular homeowners. Not a nice thing to do!

I am sure that Van Burden is hurting though. Maybe that's why he's pimping for the cell tower-- for the extra money he needs. Everyone wants to sell out the town. Beautiful!

No, you people are not business people.

People like Richard, Pandora and Gary didn't earn their dough, it was given to them by their parents.

YOU DON'T PUT IN A $300 MILLION SEWER IN 'HOPES' OF IT WORKING on any nitrate problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a horrific scam that you are part of!

Edited 3/11/2008 2:44 pm by Yearsrushby

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Just wait for Yearsrushby to get a wild hair about the Reclamator or the next 12 best sewers for Los Osos. All I can do is thank the arrogant post re-call Directors for spinning so many lies to obstruct any sewer, anywhere at any cost.

Thank you Lisa, Julie, Chuck, John and Steve. You have truly screwed over any possibilty of credibility in a local Los Osos goverment. You have personally bankrupted this District and opened the doors to every snakeoil salesman who slides into our community. Please notice, I never use the word "Town", that would mean a community lead by responsible individuals and you Lisa, Julie, Chuck, Steve and John are not those individuals!

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

OK mark, answer this. If you have posted page 52, you obviously had to get permission to do that. Or perhaps you didn't, I'm sure you won't tell us. Why have you not gotten permission to post pages 2-51? (We'll let the cover page go.)

(PS - You don't need to call a sales meeting at Starbucks to stop your posting mark, you just STOP. Or is that concept just too hard to grasp? Invitation declined.)

Watershed Mark said...

Maybe sometime? /coffee called off till /Friday morning(diff loc). Time and placed tba.

MIKE wrote:
You made the following stupid comment: "So a person that owns rental property is not a HOMEOWNER?"

I SAID - THE 218 VOTES WERE FROM A FEW WHO OWNED THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTIES IN TOWN. I.E. VAN BURDEN. HE STANDS TO MAKE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY OFF THE BIG SEWER. ALSO, THE CSD, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE COUNTY PROPERTIES ARE NOT HOMEOWNERS.

What you have is basically 5 to 6 people that decided on the 218. People who will profit greatly off of the backs of regular homeowners. Not a nice thing to do!

I am sure that Van Burden is hurting though. Maybe that's why he's pimping for the cell tower-- for the extra money he needs. Everyone wants to sell out the town. Beautiful!

No, you people are not business people.

People like Richard, Pandora and Gary didn't earn their dough, it was given to them by their parents.

YOU DON'T PUT IN A $300 MILLION SEWER IN 'HOPES' OF IT WORKING on any nitrate problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a horrific scam that you are part of!...


Watershed Mark says, so.. me or mine, are not included any discussion surrounding 300.
......................asks-Are you guaranteeing the $300m will be the project cost? If not, when and why not? Sorry for the rapid fire questions. Blog out.(don't be bashful/use the delete,

Maria M. Kelly said...

Mark,
You are making some pretty extravagant assertions. The vote was not carried by 6 people. The breakdown of the vote was given by John Diodati and it is not correlating with what your "story" is.

The school district runs on my tax dollars, the CSD runs on my tax dollars and my water fees so the implication that it's on my back is accurate in more ways than one.
I also pay for delays which I consider to be far more egregious.

You are now a part of the LO nomenclature because you spout the rhetoric of a select few. I hope that their buying power is enough to pay off your investors.

Watershed Mark said...

Season of the GRIZZLY

The breakdown of the vote was given by John Diodati and it is......................?

Unknown said...

Gee Mark, go read the report, it's right here between pages 2-51.

Watershed Mark said...

Et Tu MIKE?

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

mark, I had a very nice chat with a person at NSF today. All you need to do to get permission to show us your 1995 report is shoot an e-mail to NSF and ask! The person said the report belonged to you and permission to show us was just that simple.

So, mark, will you take that giant step for the community and send an e-mail and show us your report? Can you do that?

Churadogs said...

Shark sez:"We've discussed this issue several times ... the $1M less to $5M more ... that cost does not include any of the costs of a re-design or any increased costs associated with the necessary delay."

The $1M - $5M were Bruce's words. As for not including any of the costs of a re-design & etc. if that's the case, why did the TAC keep ending up with Tri-W at the highest end of their cost estimates (all of which included redesign & etc.) That was the point then, and that's the point now. We were told something by the previous CSD that simply wasn't true.The falsity of it popped up in the TAC and clearly the falsity of the statement that there are (were)no sites other than Tri W, that we had no choice, is once again clearly demonstrated by the numbers of sites the county is now looking at, two of which will be given (expensive) closer looks. The other point you seem to keep missing is a simple one: IF the previous CSD had been honest about doing the work needed to give the community a Chinese Menue choice, even using rough guestimates, we wouldn't have had this train wreck. The community would be asked (either by a 218 vote)or as is supposed to be done now, by a "survey" to choose which system they wished to buy with good guestimate costs. I remember well the cost guestimates during the time the early CSD was looking into various sytems and options were still in the ball park, i.e it wasn't that STEP would be $100 million and TRI=W gravity would be $36 millioin. And being in the ball park should have then put the choice up to the homeowners, which is what I've been saying all along: Want Plan B for $X or Plan & for $Y. Take your pick, vote, then shut up and build it.

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

Just how many years did you envision for this Chinese menu to be created Ann? What would the Water Board be doing while all that was going on?

Just how much money is doing it costing us now to get to that "survey?" Think we would have voted ourselves the extra MILLIONS to do that???? (The County may be broke, but it has enough money to float a loan to pay for costing which a CSD does not have. Which we will pay back, I might add.) Do you think you can just pull those numbers out of the air? (Oh wait - you DID support the air price-pulling "rough guestimate" prices - which were not even close to reality - with the recall and the last election!)

Do you really think you can do a 218 with guestimates?

Do you really think if the "ballpark" figures off a survey went over the "guestimate" figure there wouldn't be hell to pay?

While you are busy making accusations, care to mention what the "new board" has told us that wasn't true ?

Shark Inlet said...

When I mention that Ann's statement that moving the sewer out of town would be more than the -$1M to $5M cost she told us it would be (according to some circa 2004 document), was not including the inflation and design costs ... Ann asks (as if she doesn't already know the answer and hadn't already been told the answer many times) "why did the TAC keep ending up with Tri-W at the highest end of their cost estimates (all of which included redesign & etc.)"?

Um ... because inflation was not reasonably considered in analysis you refer to in this document.

If there would be some 2-3 additional years for design work and legal questions, the out of town site was unfairly given an advantage in the TAC report.


Don't get me wrong ... I like out of town more than in town if all other thing are equaly ... but unfortunately they are not ... out of town will delay the project in such a way that the total cost will be higher.


Ann, due to the politics of those on your side and the politics of those who want TriW no matter what, you'll never get the chinese menu you want ... but I do know this ... even if you were to get the menu, with accurate prices, you would not like the prices and you would argue that the prices are baised ... that the price listed for TriW are too low and the prices listed for out of town are too high.

We know this because some two.5 years back when I asked questions about the costs of moving, you derided my questions as speculation and when more recently I pointed out that the post-recall board was making unwise financial decisions (the choice to settle legal disputes with CASE and CCLO even thought they had already won those cases) you told us that it was cheaper to pay BWS some half a million dollars (or more) than it would be to simply hire another attorney than Julie Biggs.

What's the upshot? You and I are both biased ... you are horribly biased against TriW any analysis which might suggest TriW is best and I am biased against any analysis which overlooks facts to make TriW look worse than it really is.

TriW won't solve all our problems ... and neither will any other possible site/technology combination. Continuing to argue against TriW (or whatever the County and TAC prefer) will harm our community in a financial and environmental way.

Are we seriously better off now than we would have been had the recall failed? Some additional $40M in debt, continued pollution and increased costs for building a WWTF and putting in a sewer. Are we really better off because of the recall Ann argued for?

I am reminded of the Obama/Clinton debate. Clinton argues that experience is important and Obama replies that the wisdom to stand in opposition to the Iraq war shows that her experience is trumped by his willingness to take a tough stand. In this case, the easy "move the sewer" position back in 2005 was clearly unwise and Ann doesn't yet get it ... that the position she promoted back then has harmed our environment and our pocketbooks.

I am also frustrated with Ann's desire to hold some CSD boardmembers accountable for their promises but not others. Why should we criticize Stan and Gordon for not bring in a $35 a month sewer but not Steve and Chuck for not getting us a $100 a month sewer?