Letters, we get letters . . .In the April 19, Bay News story about the court decision overturning Measure B, it was noted that the decision might open “the door to the possibility of restarting construction of a downtown sewer. “’There are letters going off to the CSD and (State Assemblyman Sam) Blakeslee asking them to restart the project,’ said Bob Crizer, a local contractor who is a member of Taxpayers Watch. ‘It (the ruling) just means they can’t hide behind that as a reason not to build the plant.’”
The story continued to note that the CSD has the power to “create their own siting ordinance,” which was to be on the agenda for the April 20th meeting, but has now been postponed until further notice (maybe the CSD is waiting for the May 30 final appeal?)
At any rate, since Taxpayers Watch is sending off letters to (Sam), lobbying him to help put the sewer plant back in the middle of town, here’s a letter, written by a regular member of the community (not some sewer expert or Board Watcher) that is striking to me for it’s brevity and its focus on two absolutely salient points that keep getting lost: (1) The community voted for a $35 million pond system and still have no idea WHY the previous board clung to the original site when it no longer made sense to do so and (2) most people are scared and tired of fighting and feel they “had no ‘real’ choice but to revert to the old site and the old plant and let someone else deal with it.” (And guess who told them (falsely) there were NO other options, that Tri-W was the ONLY one, and repeatedly denied a vote on any choices & etc.? Yep, recalled Board members, some of whom have morphed into Taxpayers Watch, a group now falsely conflating dissolution with protection from the CDOs and now lobbying to get their sewer plant back into the middle of town.)
I have long maintained that The Sewer Wars are both incredibly complex and incredibly simple. Ms. McMahon nails the key narrative – it actually IS simple. I further suspect that her take on how the majority of our community really feels about all of this is very near the mark. The minor redaction was at the request of the author, letter reprinted with permission.
To Whom It May Concern:
Please count my voice in support of NO SEWER PLANT BUILDING on the TRI W site!
Regardless of Measure B, that project was too expensive and there were too many stones left unturned as regards the options for a sewer. As the owner of two business in Los Osos, I believe it's imperative that we allow this CSD Board to do their job and go forward with the best solution available. BUT NOT ON TRI-W!
In all the battles and confusion, everyone seems to have forgotten that the only reason the TRI-W site was originally chosen was because they were going to put in a ponding system. When the ponds were found inadequate - AT THAT SITE - instead of choosing a site out of town where the ponds would work or if needed, a more traditional plant or system could go, for whatever reason, political or otherwise, they chose to keep this site for ANY type of system they would use. It never made any sense and they made the choice to stick to that site long after they knew their original plan was no longer viable. It made no sense to the majority of us then - it makes less sense now.
It may be hard for you to determine but almost the whole community would like to see it elsewhere - but everyone is tired of the fighting and they believe that they have no "real" choice but to revert to the old site and the old plant and let someone else deal with it. People are scared and the fear tactics being used by the OLD CSD BOARD and the taxpayer group are fueling those fears. I work with many, many people here in town, both with [my] company and my [other business]. I assure you, TRI-W is not the choice, nor is dissolving our ability to govern our own community. And I ask you. . . why is any one, or any agency, or any other entity, still dealing and listening to the very people that were voted out and that publicly stated they would scorch this town, bankrupt it, and fine it out of existence? These aren't my words, imagined or otherwise - these words by several of the old CSD Board members are on file, on tape, on video. Why do they still have the ear of these other agencies or governing bodies??
I ask you to please support the current CSD Board and do what you can to ensure their success.
Very kindly yours,
Paula McMahon
Baywood Park, CA
More Letters: Gail Wilcox, Deputy County Administrative Officer sent a letter to Paul Hood of LAFCO responding to his writing SLO CEO David Edge requesting that Edge be taken out of the loop since he lives in Los Osos and so will not be directly participating in “matters relating to the LOCSD Petition for Dissolution.”
Her letter, dated March 24, notes that, “At a staff level, our first reaction to your letter is that if the LOCSD is dissolved, the consequences for the County taxpayers in general could be very negative in at least two ways: “ LOCSD Liabilities May be Substantial . . .” since the county would be placed in “the very difficult position of prosecuting or defending LOCSD action or decisions that the County had no role in developing. There would be a negative impact on the County General Fund if it were costly to continue to defend or prosecute these lawsuits, especially if the LOCSD’s position turns out to be untenable and former LOCSD revenue streams prove inadequate to address the ramifications of such. Iit is not clear at this point how LAFCO could impose any conditions on dissolution that could fully mitigate the negative impacts that would be associated with requiring the County to take over existing litigation matters.”
And, “Responsibility for Wastewater Solution” . . . “upon dissolution, the County (by default) would become the agency responsible for developing a wastewater solution for LOCSD. The County (before formation of the LOCSD) and the LOCSD have both so far been unable to get the necessary facilities constructed due to determined opposition by some LOCSD residents. There is no assurance that this opposition would disappear if the LOCSD dissolved. Therefore, responsibility for finding a wastewater solution may put the General Fund at risk for (1) some or all of the expense of implementing a solution, and (2) fines and penalties that may result if a solution cannot be implemented in a timely manner.”
And, interestingly, “Additionally, there could be new litigation initiated against LAFCO and/or the County disputing the dissolution process itself and the disposition of District assets. Further, potential challenges to the validity of the District’s assessments for sewer services not delivered could result in demands for repayment of assessments already paid. And, any decision to select a new site for a treatment plan would almost certainly generate legal challenges.”
The letter lists a whole raft of financial information that’s still needed before any decision can be made. And notes, “We believe LAFCO has the tools to obtain this information and that dissolution cannot be approved without first obtaining this information and then developing reasonable conditions to mitigate the impacts on the County. If the information cannot be obtained, and reasonable conditions cannot be developed to protect the County, we believe that LAFCO should deny the petition.”
And then closes by noting that “LAFCO should look at the structural issues. In other words, dissolution of a CSD should only be granted if both (1) there is something bout the structure or legal authority of the CSD that is inadequate to address the needs of the residences, and (2) the County as successor of the CSD would have a structure or legal authority that the CSD lacks that gives it an inherent advantage over the CSD. In the opinion of staff, neither of these conditions exists. The County would have no more legal authority than the CSD and would have to finance any wastewater project in much the same way as the CSD would.”
To all of this I would add that if I’m not mistaken, I believe there is a MOU between the County and the RWQCB that notes that the County has control over siting and permitting septic tanks in consultation with the RWQCB, which may mean that the Cunty may end up being dragged into court to “explain” how and why it kept issuing septic tank permits long after it was safe or prudent to do so, thereby allowing a good number of Los Osos residents unknowingly to go into harm’s way as well and overburdening the rest of the community’s upper aquifer thereby tipping the whole community into the harm’s way of CDOs, ACL fines, etc. That would be an interesting “liability” to snoop into, methinks.
At any rate, from Ms. Wilcox letter, I would have to assume that the County still views Los Osos as its much despised Red Haired Stepchild and will not lift a finger to support dissolution or anything else. Sort of like their refusing to participate in the upcoming April 28th CDO hearings as a designated party, even though they’re gonna get served CDO papers like the rest of us.
Aw, dang. And here Taxpayers’ Watch wanted us to believe that the County loved us and all we’d have to do is sign the dissolution petition and Uncle County Daddy would make the mean old RWQCB boogeymen go away and would immediately start rebuilding our beloved ginormous sewer plant in the middle of town and we could all live happily ever after, Tra-La.
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"(1) The community voted for a $35 million pond system and still have no idea WHY the previous board clung to the original site when it no longer made sense to do so..."
If I may: sewerwatch.blogspot.com
Good post, Ann. Thanks for the information.
Very nice letter by Paula. I can't help but wonder what her reaction will be when she sees the pricetag of the new, improved sewer. Whatever, whenever, and where ever that may be.
And just curious why Paula doesn't ask what I consider the most obvious question of this new board. When they promised better, cheaper, faster and "we're ready to go," what exactly WAS the plan "ready to go?" They never have answered this question. Or did they just lie? Hmmmmm. Scare tactics of the prior board? Where does deceit fit into Paula's idea of nice people?
I very much respect Paula's opinion on the sewer wars. But I respectfully disagree with her assessment of the strength of support for the current CSD. Or for any CSD. People are tired of Los Osos' immaturity. On all sides. The CSD has to go.
The CSD has to go? where?
I think that the county will have more pull with LAFCO than Los Osos.
Here is another little tidbit straight from Sam Blakslees assistant.
"Affordability is a tricky problem"
In other words, costs will not matter. The folks that solve this mess are living right here in L.O.
Have we been lied to, missled?
Seems so, right from the depressing beginning.
Is that an unusual thing from any government entity in this good ol USA?
We have met the enemy and he is us.
Spectator,
I suspect that some of those items you list off are district debts not PZ debts. What would immediately come to mind would be the fines, the loss of profit by contractors who were idle and lawyer fees.
On the other hand, you forgot to mention CDOs which aren't district or PZ costs, but the pumping charges are costs to property owners of occupied properties. One should not ignore these costs.
Does everything have to be spelled out for Ann?? The original board clung to their plan like politicos do, because they believed it could work and was reasonable.
This new board is just like the old board. It's called being stubborn. That's what happens when you advocate something before the chickens hatch, so to speak.
Like saying you have a plan. Or saying you have a pond system, when, oops, you just haven't worked out the details or you know of some costly flaws or technical details and just wave your arms around it or and call it a 'plan'.
Yep, those that don't review history are doomed to repeat it. Just like clinging to the following beliefs propagated by the recall:
that fines will go away,
CDOs will go away,
contracts will go away,
laws will go away or can be bypassed,
liabilities will go away,
interest rates will go down,
costs will not go up,
grants and loans will appear like magic,
and birds will go tweet-tweet in Ann's Los Osos fairyland.
Movers and dissolvers alike(assisted by their own media hacks) have brought myth to an art form in Los Osos.
and constantly playing the Los Osos Blame Game WILL NOT MAKE THE FINES; CDO'S; OR DEBT GO AWAY..........!!!!!!!!!!! Nor will it build a sewer. Nor will it make it easier for me to keep my house. This is something Ann and her ilk (on both sides)will NEVER understand.
My guess is that LAFCO is going to deny the petition, I think that they will come to the conclusion that we got what we voted for and griping about cost is not their problem. besides, the county has gone on record saying they probably wouldn't be able to do any better job anyway (like they would like to)
Yes Wilcox got a tiny repremand, but don't think for a minuet that what she reported is unfactual, some posturing in order to appear unbiased is expected from the 'supes'
In the meantime I'll bet they are working hard to make sure their constituants aren't burned by the "Los Osos Sewer Wars"
You guys sound like the people claiming Bush and Powell LIED to us because they thought there were WMD in Iraq. I watched the Powell presentation to the UN... all of it... everyone thought there were WMD. They werent lying, they were given bad info. There is a difference.
I never quite "get" why out of town is supposed to be so "doable" for a sewer. The people "out of town" waved a petition with 50 homeowners signatures at the waterboard hearings stating that they would fight it being sited in their backyard. Why do we think that they don't matter, or that their space isn't important to them? That somehow WE, OF LOS OSOS have the right to put it "out there."
Are we "special," "entitled," or perhaps insensitive and kinda stupid that they won't tie it all up longer with the lawsuits that they will instigate.
Can anybody explain this?
I keep hearing the blame being put on the recall campaign. Have you considered that the recall started in December of 2004. The campaign lasted more than 9 months and part of the opposition to the recall was to run Los Osos into the ground.
Most of the destruction by the old CSD occured in the last 10 days of the campaign.
As a result there are huge problems now... money, fines, lawsuits, etc. Most of which are a result of the old boards actions in the last 10 days of the campaign.
The recallers tried everything they could do to stop the actions of the last 10 days... and actually were successful in delaying that destruction for months so that they only had 10 days... 10 days too many.
So now everyone is lining up to blame the recall campaign for the consequences of the last 10 days and holding over nine months of campaigning (minus 10 days) against them. 10 days that changed everything.
I ask you all... how was the campaign supposed to change their entire message, and strategy in ten days time... The hay was in the barn.
Unfortunately the old CSD had locked the barn doors with Los Osos inside and set fire to it.
Quit pretending that the recallers lied, when they led an honest open campaign with realistic goals that were very achievable...
UNTIL THE LAST 10 DAYS!!!
sewertoons said: "The people "out of town" waved a petition with 50 homeowners..."
I love this argument. Where were you sewertoons when 1000 people gathered for the Move The Sewer photo?
Do you have any idea how many people near the Tri-W site signed a petition to show their disgust with that location?
The reason there are 50 people near Andre that signed is because there aren't 51... It's unfortunate for them, but we are talking about the greater good for the community... and they are a part of our community. They shop here, work here, their kids go to school here. Just because they are on the other side of some arbitrary line that who knows who drew on a map when the CSD was created doesn't mean they dont live in Los Osos.
I wish the sewer could be built where it wasnt near anyones home, but that is not possible. So a wise choice is to choose a location the impacts the fewest people.
I dont think anyone can argue that Tri-W would impact fewer people than Andre... so why are you even trying to make that argument. It is just silly and you are embarassing yourself. Please knock it off.
spectator said: "TRI-W was contracted for because zoning allowed a treatment plant. The property was zoned commercial."
You are trying to make an argument that Tri-W was the best choice because of a zoning issue...
And then you state that Tri-W was zoned commercial.
Are you aware that the zoning needed to be changed to industrial and allow public use.
I am confused... Tri-W was chosen because of its zoning type... that needed to be changed through a lengthy and expensive process to allow a sewer to be built. And that makes is better than any other site why??? Because any other site would need to have its zoning changed?
Wow, with arguments like that I can see why we are in trouble.
Amazing!!
I spent the last 10 years listening to people talk about how Los Osos needs become a city.
How we'd never be a real town until we could become a city, and the first step to that is a good tax base.
In order to build up a tax base we need a strong business district and more property development.
In order to bring in business and build houses we need a sewer.
Creating a CSD was the first step in a lot of peoples minds to becoming a city. Our first step to local control.
There was even talk about who the first mayor should or shouldnt be.
Agree or disagree with that vision, the reality is that those people are out there, that motive exists, and I have heard a lot of people say these things over the past ten years.
Here's the funny thing...
The same people Ive been listening to for the past 10 years who want "The City of Los Osos"... are the same people who are now talking about dissolving the CSD.
And the dissolvers number one campaign platform is that we are not capable of governing ourselves.
It makes me wonder... if they get their way, are these very same people going to be campaigning for cityhood in another ten years??
Maybe we are capable of governing ourselves, but the dissolvers just dont like that they arent in charge anymore. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
So I hope everyone asks themselves, "are the dissolvers being truthful? or does their story change to suit their current goals?"
Sounds like a manipulation to me.
Anonymous said, "You guys sound like the people claiming Bush and Powell LIED to us because they thought there were WMD in Iraq. I watched the Powell presentation to the UN... all of it... everyone thought there were WMD. They werent lying, they were given bad info. There is a difference.
10:19 PM, April 21, 2006 "
Everyone? I KNEW Powell was fudging during that presentation so I KNEW something was wrong with his information and that he knew it, too. Powell's whole life was being The Good Soldier. He would never knowingly lie, (that would jeopardize his career and his reputation) but he will always carry out orders(Good Soldier). When he started using hedge words, weasle words, during his presentation, that's ehen I KNEW HE KNEW something was wrong with his "evidence."
Spectator Said:"We simply do not want individual fines, pumping, have to pay for state water, or unneeded debt."
Unless Ripley's project update works some kind of ag/exchange, blending, well-shifting, state water will still be on the table. As you know, the TriW costs did NOT include state water. As for "uneeded debt," the previous CSD's refusal to wait a few weeks before the election made sure the community would be stuck with a bundle of wasted debt.
Our anonymous friend claimed (a few comments back) that those running for the recall seats did not lie and that their goals were realistic until construction started on TriW.
I disagree. Why? If construction had not started, the CSD would not have gotten the SRF monies and the CSD would have run out of money in December 2005 rather than just about now. Secondly, the fines and CDOs are not tied to construction starting then stopping, they are tied to no progress on the TriW site when progress could have been made. Lastly, their claim of STEP and ponding for less than TriW's cost (half as much is what they told us) is simply fanciful. For a variety of reasons we've gone over here many times, the best they probably could have done is had a gravity system and out of town ponding but it still ... even without fines and lawsuits and the like ... would have cost us more than TriW. Largely this would be due to delay and inflation.
You are right that there would be two fewer issues/lawsuits ... we wouldn't owe the SWRCB the money we borrowed and we would not owe contractors for work done and idle time.
One last note: we have no hope of qualifying for a SRF for any portion of the project if we choose STEP without replacing all the tanks in town. The additional costs from tank replacement and fromm the higher interest rate make gravity the best choice.
Another last (really this time) note: I sort of think that ponding is a cool idea and I wonder whether (with the additional delay) we can find a ponding plant somewhere which will have a track record of significant Nitrate removal. If so, at least we could choose a ponding system. However, even with such a system, I think that in town will be best because of the proximity to the best disposal location, Broderson. Other recharge methods will have less impact on saltwater intrusion and are thus, not preferable.
Ann has it wrong again.
The previous board did not waste any debt. They made decisions that obligated that debt.
The recall and those that voted for Measure B are the ones that obligated the wasting of that debt. That's a fact. Tell us Ann, did you inform your readers two weeks before the election how much we would be on the hook for in fines, CDOs, and debts??? I thought not.
Los Osos (and Ann) shows little comprehension of contracts. It's to be expected for a journalist, not for an incoming board member.
Remember that campaign promise about re-financing? Well, it's been 8 months, does anyone really believe any of those five even understand public financing or funding?? Saying your going to re-finance, and showing how exactly to it are two different things.
The problem with ponding in town, as was shot down for the old board, (it wasn't just the necessary 10 years of documented nitrate removal), was that there is not enough acreage to do it for the number of people it must accommodate (the PZ was expanded back then at the same time the 10 years of documentation was not in evidence). You need lots and lots of acres for it.
What about TriW plus the adjacent properties are acres and acres...
Even then not big enuf?
Hi Shark!
Here's what I found to answer your question:
Petaluma, pop. 54,548 Wetlands: 221 acres:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/07/BAGSHHJH0J1.DTL
http://www.petalumawetlandspark.org/HTML/ProjectDesign.html
Arcata, pop. 16,651 Wetlands: 100 acres (94-170 from varying sources)
http://www.ashinstitute.harvard.edu/Ash/wetlands.htm
http://www.epa.gov/owow/wetlands/pdf/Arcata.pdf
Mt. View/Martinez, pop. 16,000 Wetlands: 85 acres
http://www.epa.gov/owow/wetlands/pdf/Martinez.pdf
Galinas Valley, pop. 34,711 Wetlands: 200 acres
http://www.epa.gov/owow/wetlands/pdf/MarinCounty.pdf
Imagine the cost of the land that we would need wherever it was sited....
Nice try Sewer Toons, very comical.
Lets see what your numbers really mean. The only thing it really tells us is how many acres per person are needed to treat wastewater in those communities.
If you calculate how many acres are needed per 1,000 people (acres/kp) in order to equally compare each community this is what you get:
Petaluma - 4.05 acres per 1,000 people
Arcata - 6.01 acres/kp
Mt. View/Martinez - 5.31 acres/kp
Galinas Valley - 5.76 acres/kp
Now if you do that same calculation for the amount of property the old CSD bought for their Tri-W plan you get...
Los Osos/Tri-W - 6.07 acres/kp
WOW!!! It looks like the Tri-W plan actually takes more land than all those other community's plans.
Are you telling us, sewertoons, that we could save money with a ponding system because it uses less land??
Are you telling us that TriW is more than 60 acres?
They're counting Broderson.
80 acres + 11 acres @ Tri-W is 91 acres
91 acres / 15000 people is about 6 acres per 1000 humanoids.
So the trick is buying 90 acres and changing the land-use designation of 90 acres out of town(not to mention fighting out of towners) and paying less money - the Broderson properties will never be developed unless the Coastal Commission is abolished for starters.
90 acres out of town is going to be a whole different set of litigation.
It's actually a feasible scheme if you're willing to wait for a sewer by, say, 2016.
Shark, ya gotta understand, my opinion is the goal of all this stalling is a wink-and-a-nod plan that is really intended to be some sort of Septic Management Plan where they figure they can win some legal battle that allows it - which would be cheaper if they had control over the discharge limits.
The battle is probably really to wrest control of the whole deal from the state. Kind of a novel approach. But no one can admit it, for obvious reasons.
No, Anon. that is not what I said. But PublicWorks has answered the question very insightfully and very clearly. Thank you PW!
sewrtoons, your arguments are weak
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