Oh, Dear God, hand me that ice pick. I’m going to stab it in my eyes for 12 hours.
If you want to know how we got into the mess in Iraq and why we’re STILL there, waist deep in the big Muddy and the old fool says push on, tune in channel 20 and watch the Regional Water Quality Control Board’s April 28th CDO hearing.
If you want to watch a 10-hour film titled,”The Mad Hatter’s Tea Party Meets The Bataaan Death March in Slo Mo,” tune in channel 20 and watch the Regional Water Quality Control Board’s April 28th CDO hearing.
If you want to understand how a scientifically challenged STAFF of a government agency can paralyze then destroy a whole community with a scheme so ill-thought out, so scientifically unsound and so poorly planned – logistically speaking -- that their Board has to spend fifteen minutes deciding how best to deal with public comment slips, and you have to wonder how, if it takes that long to figure out that simple a procedure, how in living hell they’re going to be able to process and hear from 5,000 people at 15 minutes each, plus cross examination and you do the math in your head or on a little scrap of paper and it comes out to something like 6,250 10-hour days and you say Sweet Jesus didn’t RWQCB CEO Roger Briggs think about all this when he cooked up this insane scheme and figure he’ll realize somewhere in along 9:30 p.m. that he’s screwed up major big time and will tell his Board he’s decided to recommend they postpone this insane scheme so he can rethink it all and when he’s asked if he intends to continue processing the whole town of Los Osos his lips go all thin and his eyes squint down and he says Yes he intends to continue onward thereby proving he is incapable of dealing with either reality checks or informational feed-back loops and so you pray his Board will have more sense, but they sit there yawning, or deer-in-headlights, blank-faced wondering how in hell they ever got themselves into this ridiculous situation, and you’re hoping even one of them would burst out laughing, but they don’t and none of them has the sense God gave a goose to jump up and say THIS IS INSANE, STOP IT RIGHT NOW, WHO THOUGHT UP THIS LOONEY TUNE ANYWAY? but nobody does so they sit there, Prisoners of Folly while the clock ticks on and on and on, then tune in Channel 20 and watch the Regional Water Quality Control Board’s April 28th CDO hearing.
Tune in to see the RWQCB’s own Mr. Staff Science Guy tells the Board that pumping septic tanks 6 x a year won’t cause a problem, but under cross examination has to fess up that he’s had very little college training in on-site technologies. Amaze yourself to hear how poorly Mr. Science Guy understands the aquifer systems in Los Osos and how clear it is he has no clue as to where the drinking water of Los Osos, a community he’s working on destroying, comes from. His remarks make it clear he thinks we’re all rolling around out here with pigs, like Moonbeam McShine, while swilling down nitrate-laden water. When asked if Los Osos water violates any drinking water standards, he’s has no idea. (I’m not mentioning his name because he’s a nice young man and his bad preparation, (lazy, really. He wanted to know what kind of leach systems are in Los Osos so apparently he called ONE GUY and asked for his “guestimate.”) clear lack of training and experience (certainly compared to the credentials of Dr. Wickham, (see below) for example), shaky grasp on facts were cringe-making and I kept wondering if he were being used as a Scott McClellan-like stooge or fall guy – you know, Let’s let Mr. Science Guy stand up there and look the perfect fool so everybody can blame HIM for this mad scheme and allow us to skulk away from this train wreck saying, No, Nope, not me, I don’t know nothing about any of that, No, No, it’s all Mr. Science Guy’s doing. You know, take one for the team?)
Watch in amazement when RWQCB’s CEO Roger Briggs is asked if he has any direct, empirical evidence from the individual Los Osos 45 that their homes are actually polluting the aquifers and he has to fess up that no, he has no actual evidence. Seems that the staff and Board have been acting for years on “presumption” and “common knowledge,” as in, there’s a presumption that wastewater gets to groundwater and the common knowledge that no denitrification takes place in the soil and, as Mr. Science Guy had it, that nitrates just go straight down the soil column to groundwater with no denitrification taking place & etc. (Incorrect, by the way. Denitrification takes place in the soil. The trick is to have enough depth to groundwater to do it sufficiently.)
Then, just when you think it can’t get any more hideous, pay particular attention when Dr. Wickham, Bs, MS, PhD, owner of ABG Wastewater Solutions, the outfit that’s developed the Prana System of bio-remediation (his device has been installed at the Firehouse and is being tested now via lysimeters to see what kind of nitrate reduction is occurring in the leach field) and blam-blam-blam, the Board and audience gets a non-stop, detailed and informative lecture on How Septic Systems Function and learns, among other things that pumping tanks 6 times a year ends up destroying the mature biological colonies that make the system work properly, that pumping tanks 6 times a year will end up in discharges that are worse, that pumping tanks 6 times a year will result, in Dr. Wickham’s expert opinion, with leach field failures occurring within 2 years of such a regimen and that NOT pumping would result in less pollution than pumping.
When asked if there were cost effective measure for onsite mitigation, his reply was, yes, there are many and they’re in use all over the country. He also noted that in his expert opinion, there are other sources of nitrates in Los Osos and the only way to be sure what amount were coming from septics is to do a isotope tracking test. (It’s a relatively a simple test, fundable by grants, eagerly run by university PhD candidates, a test that drops isotopes down a toilet and tracks the discharge plume to see where it goes. That test has never been done, though residents have asked the county and RWQCB and old CSD to do exactly that. The isotope study is an important test because, as Dr. Wickham noted, it’s possible to spend $200 million dollars on a wastewater system and STILL end up with high nitrates in the water. This test was never done because “common knowledge” and “presumptions” trumped science.)
Well, of course common knowledge and presumptions would trump science. This is the RWQCB we’re talking about here. The same folks who apparently plan on spending 17.12 years prosecuting hapless citizens in The Great Nitrate Trial of the Century. Call Clarence Darrow and bring on the dancing monkeys.
The next installment of this Regulatory Gong Show will start again on May 11 & 12 sometime, with the beleaguered Los Osos 45 getting their 15 minutes of playing Perry Mason squeezed in among other Board Business.
Meantime, please watch this 10 hour proceeding and be afraid. Be very afraid.
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As unbelievably rediculous and unbelievable as that all sounds...
It all went exactly as I expected it to.
I'm afraid alright!!!
The septic service company "Mr. Science Guy" mentioned "Ingle & GReen" anybody heard of them? The leachfield installer - repair guy, Frank Merril, is the latest litigant suing the LOCSD for his assessment money back....are these credible sources for RWQCB's science kid? Nah, just more of the same bias against science and "Votuos Wrongous" (Lacey Cooper) Los Osos.
Good Morning Lacey, and happy anniversary. Hope you guys'll fly to Hawaii or something.
Well, that was the longest version of KUMBAYA ever recorded.
I wonder how the Water Gods liked it.
Loved Dr. Wickam's response to the Regional Board's question: "What is the best alternative to pumping septic tanks?" "Not pumping them is the best alternative" was Dr. Wickam's reply. Case Closed.
I was somewhat sympathetic towards Wickam until I saw the portion of yesterday's meeting where he was questioned by Jeff Young about nitrates currently in the groundwater.
He did everything he could to avoid saying that the reason the nitrates are high is because of septics. He first said that he had only looked at the 1983 numbers ... then he said that it could have from agriculture (hahaha) ... then he said it could have been from atmospheric deposition. The funny thing here is that the only theory that can explain the location of elevated nitrates in the groundwater in 1983 is septics... When questioned further about a hypothetical (what if the nitrate levels have been rising in those same areas which were high in 1983) he danced around the issue to avoid saying that only septics could have caused inceases ... in those locations ... on the order of what we've seen.
Ann, if you're going to knock the RWQCB staff for not being scientific enough and not taking nonexistant classes when they were in college (I have trouble believing that there are any engineering courses of study which have any training in on-site sewage treatment), you've got to at least admit Wickam sounded a bit evasive.
I can see why he adopted that position ... he wants LOCSD business. However, there is no self-respecting scientist who, based on the evidence avilable, would say that the source is AG or atmosphere or anything other than septics.
I lost respect for the man yesterday.
And the circus will continue in May.
Here's a heads up on the parts of that agenda that are the only ones that will be productive.
1st Day:
8:30 Objections and Entertainment. 4300 more subpoenas. 4300 more quashings. The ritual that the whole history of the sewer must be discussed at every CSD, County, State, Regional meeting is sooooooooo important. What would we do without cable?
1:00 Break for Lunch. Pastrami & Rye.
2nd Day:
1:00 Break for Lunch. Egg Salad
9:49 pm CDOs are issued. No pumping. Boos and hisses from the audience. Minor scuffle in the parking lot.
1/1/2010. ACL complaints against individuals begin. 4300 subpoenas issued. Total legal bill now @ $7.8 million. Ann writes 7,519th article on the sewer. Supervisor Andersen subpoenaed because he was spotted using the portapotty at Sylvesters while having lunch with Interim General Manager Roger Briggs (who soon after the CDOs left the RWQCB, but then was hired by the CSD to curry favor with the waterboards) on 2/13/2009.
Sharkey bubbled;
"Ann, if you're going to knock the RWQCB staff for not being scientific enough and not taking nonexistant classes when they were in college (I have trouble believing that there are any engineering courses of study which have any training in on-site sewage treatment), you've got to at least admit Wickam sounded a bit evasive"
They should not only be knocked, they should be knocked up side of the head!
This is what the State of California is putting up to make decisions that may very likely cause great harm to peacably living citezens of our state!
Please tell me someone on the" Water Gods" side KNOWS where the hell our drinking water comes from! What a Circus.
Or do you need a PHD to figure that one out?
Wickam Evasive?
He is an engeneer, and He stated that there are UNKOWN parts to this puzzle.
Of course he's evasive of making statements under oath that he can't back up with DATA
Briggs should take a lesson.
How about we let Dr. Press, the PhD on the board decide whether Wickam was being evasive and whether the staff has solid enough arguments on their side?
By the way, he wasn't asked whether he could prove, under oath, that the nitrates were from septics, he was asked whether, in his opinion whether septics were a likely source of the nitrates.
To avoid saying "hell yes, there is no other likely explanation" he listed off a few theoretical possible sources that don't match up to the data we have (nitrate levels high and increasing directly below homes in the PZ but not any where else, especially East of town where the AG impact would be the highest).
The problem here mostly is that this guy has a PhD and claims to be an expert in this area. He knows darn well the cause is ... he just needed to avoid answering so that he didn't get aced out of the Los Osos business by those who be vindictive.
My most estemable shark;
To an engeneer an opinion is based on data.
I wouldn't trust any engeneer that wanted to design a system on "opinion"
that isnt backed by data
Well, let the Water Gods trot out their guy and settle it.
He also has to PROVE that the pumping scheme would work.
Might get a little tough there.
Plus, its just dumb.
What realy needs to happen is that some way of requiring people to cough up at least $150 a month immediatly to pay for an intelligently managed septic management district is found.
This one thing alone would do more for the groundwater and the CSD's credit rating than anything else.
Dr. Press publically admitted at the meeting that technological expertise and knowlege was in "wine making" not in "septic tank functions". I found it amusing that he couldn't even carry on an intelligent "PhD" conversation with Dr.Wickham. Dr. Press' public gaps of silence only proved that he couldn't compete in any way with the knowledge of Dr. Wickham. I guess the board needed someone with a PhD to give them credence; however, water quality and wine making are not the same. Perhaps the Board was intoxicated by the movie "Sideways".
The Water Gods will offer a solution!!
"Dr. Press publically admitted at the meeting that technological expertise and knowlege was in "wine making" not in "septic tank functions".
The septic tanks will be pumped and turned into wine!
At less than two bucks a bottle it will sell like hotcakes to the unhoused minions of Los Osos who are living on the steets in destitution due to not being able to make the new rent.
news at eleven
Mike,
You are usually so sensible. $150/month for septic management district? Do you like tossing money into nowhere?
You only need about $10/month for a septic managment district. And even then, it won't solve a long-term Nitrate problem nor will it comply with the discharge prohibition.
Look, the pumping is not going to happen anytime soon. The waterboard is not all that stupid. The CDOs will go out, they want another thing to hold over our head.
But just like the ACL hearing, do not underestimate the ability of the waterboard to reverse direction and make some other ruling that makes these homeowners PAY.
I just gotta laugh. First, everybody thinks it's great they've found a 'flaw' in the pumping by air quality. Then, if y'all listened closely, you could here the sounds of a higher costs to be added for diesel fume controls.
Now, everybody thinks they've got the waterboard strung up because an expert has compelling testimony not to pump.
So what do you think the waterboard will do then, folks? They may not order pumping, but they'll issue CDOs followed by other enforcement.
It's simple, they are there to enforce clean water, and if pumping is not defensible, they will go to the next step, and then the next step, .... until the logical conclusion to disconnect the damn leachfields.
What a circus. A treatment system needs to be iIN construction by 1/1/08.
I was at the proceedings on Friday for about 3 hours to show support for my fellow Los Ososans.
I was amazed at how well my fellow citizens stood up to defend their rights in this David vs Goliath battle.
If anything can be concluded from this particular chapter in the sewer saga is that the RWQCB is in big trouble. Their arguments/science fall like a house of cards when this gets all gets reviewed by an impartial trial court.
The RWQCB should put its energy into supporting the current CSD to solve the sewer issue as soon as possible, a move that would be compatible with their charge.
Publickworks,
Ha, Gotcha!
150 / mo. into an escrow account, hows that?
You are right on about the likleyhood of enforcemaent.
Not going to happen.
What do you think is the next bungle?
Spec said,
"Dissolution is the only solution!"
After yesterday's meeting, I can't agree more:
Dissolve the RWQCB immediately!
You can not dissolve a "Water God"
It's physics and politics in a perfect union.
Kumbaya
Oh, thanks publickworks, nobody has ever called me sensible before, I'm flattered, Of course this can not be used in any way as a source of information according to the Water Gods, so I guess I'm safe.
for sure,
'blogs or newspapers articles are not appropriate for reference in serious matters'
someone once said something like that.
Escrow account - what a great idea on the surface. Makes common sense, so of course it can't be done - when you start to think about the details (the stupid legal ones), it becomes problematic. Trustees, who owns it, what if no plant goes in,.... etc.
But there's nothing to stop every person from making their own personal 'escrow' account now.
Been there done that! Good advice!
We can thank the current CSD clowns for bringing us to the RWQCB bigtop.
I wonder how much all this folderol is ultimately going to cost us with their "cheaper" out of town solution?
See - more delays - "impartial trial court," anon? Pleeze!! We will also have the delays caused by the out-of-towners lawsuits. Guess that's where this is headed –– no WWTF anytime soon, if ever.
Not just the current clowns my friend, but the whole circus, ringleaders et. al.
Give Briggs a tux and a whip.
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