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Saturday, November 08, 2008

Mark Yer Calendars

First up: An Evening With Waste Water Contractors, National, State & Local Firms, etc. Presented by Citizens for Affordable and Safe Environment, Central Coast Green Corp, Surfrider Foundation, San Luis Bay Chapter, & etc.

Friday November 21st
6-9 pm

South Bay Community Center, LOVR

6-7 pm refreshments

7-8 pm Presentations

8-9 pm Questions and answers.

There'll be equipment there, various experts on hand, chance to ask questions & etc. If you missed the last evening, you can catch up with this one.

Next up, what a lot of people have been waiting for: The County's EIR report.

TOWN HALL MEETING ON DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008

6-8:30 pm.

Los Osos Middle School

1555 El Morro

Los Osos

6-7 pm Open House, multiple table areas on multiple project topics

7-8 pm County Presentation on Draft Environmental Impact Report

8-8:30 pm Q & A

For more info, go the the project website at

www.slocounty.ca.gov/PW/LOWWP.htm

47 comments:

Watershed Mark said...: Technical Memorandum Name:
Flow and Loads, March 2008
Commenter:
Surfrider
Comments Date:
March 19, 2008
Responses Date:
July 7, 2008

It should also be noted that all underground piping systems have flexibility as part of the design in order to move with the ground during seismic events. Many elements must be considered in the design of the system, and while water quality is critical, affordability is also an important issue.

"affordability is also an
important issue."

A key component of the EIR will be to consider the environmental effects of I/I, in order to determine how this issue ranks in importance when compared to other impacts that various system approaches might present.

If technology which has been presented is ignored when the EOR is released, that report would be severly flawed.

I expect it to include a review MBR as NWRI independantly recommends.

Similarly, if the collection analysis has not included technology other than Gravity or STEP/STEG then the EIR result would be less than complete.; 9:19 AM, November 08, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: Gee, Tri-W was MBR and it got approval.; 10:18 AM, November 08, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: Ann, what happens when you post to make the text all giant with huge gaps in between paragraphs? It makes it hard to read due to excessive scrolling.; 10:33 AM, November 08, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: Can someone ID "Central Coast Green Corp" - I googled them but nothing came up beyond this column's mention.; 10:36 AM, November 08, 2008
Frank said...: uuhhhh "Central Coast Greep Corp" probably just another variant of the tired old compilation of LOTTF/CCW/LOCSDhasbeen/AlternativeDeJeurWhatchamacallit crew members cast in another version attempting to portray themselves in their own self aggrandizing manner thinking they actually have clout or some semblance of understanding of getting anything done but as long as it keeps 'em busy who really cares if this segment of sewernirvana keeps frenzying itself into delusional self importance since the train has left that caboose to wander on weed infested tracks going nowhere..; 11:50 AM, November 08, 2008
Unknown said...: Nicely said Frank... and I don't believe we'll be hearing about the new CSD majority funding the Central Coast Green Corp agenda in 2009...; 11:58 AM, November 08, 2008
Churadogs said...: sewertoons, there's often a visual disconnect between what appears in draft form and the "preview" and posting. Double spaces are too big, single spaces too small. This blogsite doesn't have 1 1/2 spacing. I suppose I'll try jamming up stuff, but then I'm sure someone else will complain because it's too jammed up.

Sigh.; 5:55 AM, November 09, 2008
Unknown said...: Sewertunes -

The Central Coast Green
Cooperative is apparently Piper Riley. See:
http://www.waterboards.ca.gov/centralcoast/board_info/agendas/2008/may/item9/comment_ltrs/piper_reilly_cmts.pdf
Note that she says her attorney is the Reclamator attorney, Patrick Sparks.
Once again the evenings "experts" are unnamed but it is likely to be the familiar cast of characters. At least they are serving refreshments.; 12:13 PM, November 09, 2008
Unknown said...: Careful what you drink...especially when the Reclamator lieyer has you sign a release before partaking any food or "beverage" at the meeting...; 12:28 PM, November 09, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: Thanks Ann for letting us know what happened with the text. Bizarre pixel tricks!

Thanks for the good detective work prefix528! I shouldda known…

Horrors, I hope Tom M. will not be part of this - but I know Al's bud, the Orenco SALESMAN will be presenting. Funny how we don't have "gravity salesmen" here hawking their wares. Guess they actually get enough work so they don't have to - or is it just that they don't want to be seen as pushing their technology down our throats?

I think that Orenco's giant cutaway tank says it best though, as to why this is not for our town. No yard will ever look the same with all of the plantings cleared away from around the tank perimeter and with two elevated manhole covers in your yard or driveway. UGH. My front yard is not big enough to hide that ugliness.

I saw this manhole cover thing in the 'burbs of Cleveland when I was there a couple of months ago. You didn't notice them that much as the properties were large and green (like the covers) grass covered the front yards, which were maybe 200 feet across. This is not the case in Los Osos. Even two brown manhole covers will not help.

Thankfully, County representatives will NOT be in attendance so as not to give the perception of favoritism. They will get a rest from the barrage of salesmen's pitches.

You won't believe what my word verification is - bleskey!; 4:04 PM, November 09, 2008
Churadogs said...: Toons sez:"No yard will ever look the same with all of the plantings cleared away from around the tank perimeter and with two elevated manhole covers in your yard or driveway. UGH. My front yard is not big enough to hide that ugliness. "

Uh, plants grow back. Plants grow back to hide any tank risers. Grass grows back. I put in a new leach field in the front yard a while ago and it's all grown back. Are you saying that all of Los Osos must use Roundup over the entire tank "perimiter?" so as to leave a 10 x 14' dirt area forever and ever? That's a new one. That also doesn't square with Ripley's idea, for example, of burying tanks in the right of way. No blank "perimeters" there. Buried under driveways and streets, that is.

Here's what I find so fascinating. People look at their own situation then project it onto everyone else. i.e. just because MY front yard is not big enough to hide that ugliness, THE WHOLE TOWN CANNOT HIDE THE UGLINESS & ETC.so we must oppose Y. Or, just because I prefer X THE WHOLE TOWN MUST PREFER X. & etc.

Let's say, your front yard can't hide a manhole cover, but 98% of the rest of the town is fine with such an arrangement. What then? Do we go with some alterntive system in order to keep you happy? Or does the community as a whole go with what will benefit the majority of people?

I see a lot of that from various speakers who rail against one system or another on some lofty principle when, in reality, it's just that their particular ox may be gored so they want to make sure that doesn't happen so the whole community must lock-step behind Johnny, rather than vice versa. It would be refereshing if people would stand up and say, I personally don't like X, even though it's a perfectly o.k. system, I just dont' like it so I'm going to do everything in my power to see to it that X doesn't happen. But it's strictly personal.

Instead, too many people end up saying X is Evil on General Principles and must be defeated or else the Republic will fall!!!!; 7:40 AM, November 10, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: Ann, shrub or tree plantings are NOT allowed on top of the tanks! Flowers, lawns, yes, but I can't see Los Osos planting a bunch of lawns at this water crunch juncture, can you? Ripley is not running the show, the County is in case you didn't notice. Anything with invasive roots are not allowed as they are likely to invade or crush the pipes. Have you never seen a tank pumped? Think back on what that looks and smells like. (As for you leach field, I hope you have the "right" kind of plantings on top of it or that the sewer comes quickly - there are all kinds of leach field planting rules.)

Here is an online quote that I found,
"Just keep in mind that at some point someone is going to want access to that tank. Pump trucks don't have to park right on top of it, but they do need to park nearby and they aren't gentle on flowerbeds."

How can you imagine the County, with its road responsibility will allow tanks in the right-of-way? If there is a break or a tank problem, wouldn't the right of way need to be dug up? Wouldn't the equipment needed to do this impinge on road access? Better to keep the heavy equipment on private property so as not to impede traffic.

Whatever gets decided on will not be a catering done for me. I don't want the town to vote 98% yes for tanks and not have any idea what the impact will be to their yards. I'm not asking anyone (unlike the step fanatics) to march lock step after me on this - I simply want people INFORMED as to the IMPACTS on their property - which the step fanatics have DOWNPLAYED AT EVERY TURN.; 12:35 PM, November 10, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: PS, as much as you thought the step tank survey was bad, the emphatic yes's and emphatic no's were probably pretty well informed votes. It will never be 98% in favor of either.; 1:07 PM, November 10, 2008
Unknown said...: I'm not clear what Ann is describing as "right-of-way"...

There are other utilities underground currently, typically beneath the street... drinking and fire hydrant water lines, natural gas, along with more and more telephone, cable tv and electrical power lines...

I'm also pretty sure Ann has no idea just how HUGE those tank excavations will need to be... gravity pipes and laterial connections take up far less room than those huge tanks... Go look at the tank Don Beardon has, then picture a pit nearly twice that size... and just how many would be required....????

...but the County engineers (not the LO sewerologists), already have also considered the Orineco and the Reclamator designs... the best designs for our situation will be coming forth... This is no simple engineering problem and thankfully the solution will not come from the snakeoil sales pitches...

We can all thank Lisa, Julie and Chuck, not to forget Al, Gail, Ann, Piper and all the rest of the obstructionists for delaying the sewer and directly driving the costs way above what the pre-recall Boards ever imagined...; 1:46 PM, November 10, 2008
Realistic1 said...: "I'm also pretty sure Ann has no idea just how HUGE those tank excavations will need to be... gravity pipes and laterial connections take up far less room than those huge tanks... Go look at the tank Don Beardon has, then picture a pit nearly twice that size... and just how many would be required....????"

And for those on "sliver" lots (25 x 120), the STEP system will render the remaining "dirt" unusable. We will give over a huge chunk to the tank itself, and the rest for easement to the County for servicing. I won't be able to add even 100 sq feet to my already miniscule house.

I don't want to build a mansion, I just want to be able to turn around in my kitchen.; 3:36 PM, November 10, 2008
M said...: mike, let's not forget pandora, frank freiler, sylvia smith, and too many more names for me to come up with right now for stopping a ready to go sewer at $77 a month.
Sincerely, M
I just remembered, from one of your post I just read on Ann's most recent blog subject. Nice use of language to let Ron know that you disagree with his story. When I read that you thought he better go wipe himself, I thought now there is a very reasonable person to talk to. Lets me know i'm not reading second class stuff.; 3:50 PM, November 10, 2008
Shark Inlet said...: M,

That's a great point.

I tend to be way too bitter at the recall campaign that lied to us about their $100/month plan, only to saddle us with some $40M in debt plus an inferior and more expensive (albeit out of town) project that I tend to overlook the Solutions Group railroading of our community with their unrealistic plans.

There is an underlying reason, however, for my lack of anger towards Pandora and her group ... they learned to work with the State and provided us a workable project, even if the costs went up. The post-recall board, on the other hand, never figured out how to achieve their goals or to compromise with the State. Both groups can be slighted for a lack of focus on facts that they should have known before their respective elections, but only one group, the post-recall group, seemed to be unable to do the job they were elected to do ... to get a sewer online. In that regard, they get more blame for the current mess.; 6:02 PM, November 10, 2008
Unknown said...: Thank you m... I am as reasonable to talk with as Mr Ron... the big difference is that I pay property taxes in Los Osos and I don't presume to stir the activists to sue the State of California... I do expect the CSD to be held accountable as well as their "legal" advisors...!!!!!; 6:53 PM, November 10, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: I find the mindset to be quite different between the Pandora group and the post-recall group.

The former took the State and its guidelines and requirements seriously and followed the rules. As hard as it was for them to keep on top of the schedule due to lawsuits AGAINST them, they did prevail and bring us a project.

The latter seemed to think that they were somehow special or entitled and that the State should be happy to bend rules and wait around for them to finally figure out just what treatment technology it was that they wanted to pursue. They were amazed when after SUING the State, the Water Board and everyone else, that permitting entities were not so happy to cater to their wishes. They assumed that all the relationships and trust built by the Pandora group somehow belonged to them by default despite having done nothing but ruin a project that was finally getting Los Osos off the Water Board's back. They were startled when they got sued, lost the loan and brought the Water Board down on Los Osos. They never took responsibility that they shot themselves in the foot, it wasn't the fault of the State, the Water Board or the "old Board."

I am amazed that they STILL have NOT figured this out.; 8:32 PM, November 10, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: MIKE wrote:...but the County engineers (not the LO sewerologists), already have also considered the Orineco and the Reclamator designs... the best designs for our situation will be coming forth... This is no simple engineering problem and thankfully the solution will not come from the snakeoil sales pitches...

Did the county study www.eone.com ?
If so where is the memo?
If not why not?
Their technology is a very efficient and economical solution to the collection problem.
There are no big leaky pipes and the costs and installation problems associated with them.; 9:58 AM, November 11, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: mark, you don't seem to "get" that there are hundreds of "efficient and economical" solutions out there according to the SALESMEN, but none seem to carry with them 10 years of documented results to satisfy the Water Board. If the County took the time to wade through all of these claims, we'd be waiting until 2099 to get anything done.

YOU present the study and the documentation of 10 years of results and I'd bet the County would talk to you. But really, don't you think it is a little late in the game to be presenting something new?

Guess you backed the wrong horse with ol' Tom.; 11:01 AM, November 11, 2008
M said...: Sewertoons writes, "the former took the State and its guidelines and requirements seriously and followed the rules. As hard as it was for them to keep on top of the schedule due to lawsuits AGAINST them, they did prevail and bring us a project."
This is where you lose me. They did not bring us a project, or we would be using it now. Oh, they started one, but being as it was the highest per capita sewer in the U.S. and in a location nobody but a few wanted the sewer in. Remember the picture in the park of about 800 people in 2004? Remember what the sign said? "Move the Sewer" is what it said.
You people constantly back all of the agency's that have let us down from the very beginning. You want to give everybody prior to this Board a free pass.
You always blame the "obstructionist" for causing delays with lawsuits. Remember, this started in 1983. The water board issues 8313 and then allows the County to put in 1,000 more septic tanks. Then in 1988 the board issues a building moritorium. 10 years pass, and then the water board allows a new governing body to stop the sewer that was planned by the County. The water board knew right from the start that this new governing body's plan was not going to pass muster. Allowed it to go on for several more years. Remember, while this is all going on absolutely zero preventative measures are taken to stem the so-called pollution. 25 years, and not one single step taken to mitigate the pollution. Meanwhile, the County starts paving roads in the PZ with zero drainage figured in. All these houses being built with no fees or anything to create the infrastructure needed.
And now, i'm supposed to put all my faith in these agency's? And, i'm supposed to listen to someone that yells all the time?
(sewertoons)
And, i'm supposed to listen to someone repulsive and contantly threatning someone? (mike)
Also, mike, I don't think you are a male as your name would suggest. I have known a female Michael in the past, but she used the full name. Guy's just don't talk about women like you do. Namely your disdain for Julie and Lisa.
Now, I am going to honor Veterans day and humbly receive the thanks from my friends and co-workers for my service to this great country. I sadly see the sacrifices our military made for this country being rendered meaningless.
Sincerely, M; 11:17 AM, November 11, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: m, had the recall been held earlier, I'll bet we'd be flushing and forgetting about now. Don't forget the CSD was formed to put a treatment for waste right there at Tri-W. It won by 80%. So it wasn't location, but cost. But isn't that the very platform that has kept a sewer out of Los Osos since one was proposed? We'll see what we get this time.

Feel free to tune me out.

No argument, PLENTY of blame to go around. Including long time citizens of LO that voted NO. I'm not issuing free passes. Its just that things got radically WORSE after 2005 due to all of the money we owe from the bankruptcy.

If you will note, the PEOPLE who populate the posts in these agencies are quite different from their predecessors. What occurred THEN would NOT reoccur NOW. Don't you think the Santa Margarita Ranch development would be halfway built by now if things were the same?

I'm with you though on Veteran's Day though. However I don't agree with the sacrifices as being meaningless, just perhaps not meaning quite what was intended. Meaningless, never. I am humbled and grateful to each person who served.; 12:21 PM, November 11, 2008
Unknown said...: m... have you ever listened to Al Barrow or Kieth Swanson or Alan Martin or Racano...??????; 7:10 PM, November 11, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: m says,
" Remember the picture in the park of about 800 people in 2004? Remember what the sign said? "Move the Sewer" is what it said."

And the invisible balloon bubbles over most people's heads read,
"$100 - WOW! Sound good to me!"
Or,
"No sewer in this town, we can stall this thing indefinitely!"

And there might have been a few skeptics,
"Sounds maybe…too good to be true?"

Lets see - how many registered voters? What percentage is 800? Were they all registered voters? Some kids maybe? Who did the head count? 500 maybe, really?

Measure B won by 20 votes. If the lie of $100 out of town was eliminated from the equation, would it have come close to winning? Just a thought…; 1:21 AM, November 12, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: Lynette,

www.eone.com is a superiour technology that completed a design for Los Osos in the early 1990's.

Their collection technology is superior to STEP/STAG and Gravity.

Engineering studyies cannot prove it "out".; 6:46 AM, November 12, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: Engineering studies have proved it "in" 500,000 times.; 6:48 AM, November 12, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: NO Leakage achieved through fused joints of material that is atroger than the bative soil, makes it earthquake and leak proof.

The price and quality make it better which, according to Paavo Ogren, makes the other technology obsolete. I agree with him.; 6:52 AM, November 12, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: Stronger the Native soil.

(No Spell Check, No Glasses); 6:54 AM, November 12, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: ...Than Native Soil; 6:55 AM, November 12, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: So mark, point us to those 10 years of "engineering studies" that prove the output has 7mg/L or less of nitrates. Otherwise, no point in talking.; 9:04 AM, November 12, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: As Paavo Ogren stated in August 2007- If there is a technology that is significantly less expensive”, “then that technology becomes the new standard and all others fall away”. When these words become reality the citizens are well represented by their government.

I am looking forward to seeing the county's consulting engineering study links/reports "those 10 years of "engineering studies" that prove the output has 7mg/L or less of nitrates."

I hope you are too, Lynette.
If they had them why aren't they included in any of the tech memo's the ctizens have been paying for?

I'll send you the ECOfluid Propoal showing a case study of a 1MGD pumping our less than 4 mg/l.

I'd look forward to seeing something soon from the county's consulting engineer.

Again, I hope you are too.; 9:35 AM, November 12, 2008
Unknown said...: All you have to do is obtain the State Water Board approval...

....in the meantime, the County Engineers march ahead and Los Osos will have a sewer with or without you...

...This blog will not help or hinder you, so to avoijd wasting more time, proceed directly to the State of Californina if you really think you can obtain approval...; 10:06 AM, November 12, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: From: Mark Low [mailto:Mark@NOwastewater.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:42 AM
To: 'sewertoons@gmail.com'
Subject: ECOfluid's USBF 1 MGD Generic Plant Proposal-Membrane Bioreactor all gravity process flow
Importance: High

Lynette,

For you review and consideration.
The county’s consulting engineer understands the value of Eone and ECOfluid.

Mark Low
602.740.7975 voice
480.464.0405 facsimile
Mark@NOwastewater.com
P.O. Box 1355 Mesa, Arizona 85211
Spero Meliora "I aspire to greater things"

From: Mark Low [mailto:Mark@NOwastewater.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:35 AM
To: pogren@co.slo.ca.us; John Waddell; Mark Hutchinson; 'LOWWP@co.slo.ca.us'
Cc: BGibson@co.slo.ca.us; Karl Hadler; Lou Carella; Mark Low
Subject: ECOfluid's USBF 1 MGD Generic Plant Proposal-Membrane Bioreactor all gravity process flow
Importance: High

Greetings Gentlemen,

In response to October 27, 2008: Release of the Final Report from the NWRI Independent Peer Review Panel:

Treatment Technology
4.3.1 Options:
Biolac
Facultative Pond
Oxidation Ditch
Membrane Bioreactor (added by Panel)

Attached please see a generic proposal for a 1MGD ECOfluid USBF Membrane Bioreactor Title 22 Water Reclamation Facility.

Lynette,
No excuses for you now.; 10:15 AM, November 12, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: Thanks MIKE.; 10:16 AM, November 12, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: Audemus jura nostra defendere

Too bad there are so few who understand the sentiment behing these words.; 8:37 PM, November 12, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: mark has "…a case study of a 1MGD pumping our less than 4 mg/l." Let me guess, 500 homes over a 1 year period of monthly testing? Is that what you've got?

Well, I thought I would look this up just to check.

Total Known Homes As Per Their Data: 2204+ (unlisted quantities in 2 housing developments inside of larger towns)

RING-A-DING. This isn't much folks.

Read on if you can stand it:

This is what I found out about e/one.

Off their website - the case studies listed:

Brentwood, TN - installation # unknown
Great Sky - housing development in Canton, GA, installation # unknown
Locke (Sacramento Valley), CA - 50 units installed
Fallingwater, Mill Run, PA -1 house
Paradise Valley, AZ - 1 house
Sentinel Estates, Wilder, KY - 10 houses
Riverview Landing, Clifton Park, NY - 42 homes
Fairfield Glade, TN - 1,300 homes
Port Orchard, WA - 200+ homes
Weatherby Lake, MS - 600 homes

Now here is drinking water violations from one of the area listed:

Drinking water stations with addresses in Brentwood and their reported violations in the past:

BRENTWOOD WATER DEPT. (Population served: 21862, Purch_surface_water):
Past health violations:
• MCL, Monthly (TCR) - In FEB-2005, Contaminant: Coliform. Follow-up actions: St Compliance achieved (MAR-01-2005), St Public Notif requested (MAR-31-2005), St Violation/Reminder Notice (MAR-31-2005), St Public Notif received (MAY-11-2005)

TRACTOR SUPPLY COMPANY - FREMONT (Serves OH, Population served: 263, Groundwater):
Past health violations:
• MCL, Monthly (TCR) - Between JUL-2005 and SEP-2005, Contaminant: Coliform. Follow-up actions: St Public Notif requested (AUG-02-2005), St Violation/Reminder Notice (AUG-02-2005)
• MCL, Monthly (TCR) - Between JUL-2002 and SEP-2002, Contaminant: Coliform. Follow-up actions: St Public Notif requested (AUG-26-2002), St Violation/Reminder Notice (AUG-26-2002), St Public Notif received (SEP-03-2002)
• MCL, Monthly (TCR) - Between JUL-2001 and SEP-2001, Contaminant: Coliform. Follow-up actions: St Public Notif requested (SEP-18-2001), St Violation/Reminder Notice (SEP-18-2001), St Public Notif received (SEP-27-2001)
• MCL, Monthly (TCR) - Between OCT-2000 and DEC-2000, Contaminant: Coliform. Follow-up actions: St Public Notif requested (DEC-04-2000), St Violation/Reminder Notice (DEC-04-2000), St Public Notif received (FEB-05-2001)
• MCL, Acute (TCR) - Between OCT-2000 and DEC-2000, Contaminant: Coliform. Follow-up actions: St Public Notif requested (DEC-04-2000), St Violation/Reminder Notice (DEC-04-2000), St Boil Water Order (DEC-04-2000), St Public Notif received (DEC-11-2000)
• MCL, Monthly (TCR) - Between JAN-1999 and MAR-1999, Contaminant: Coliform. Follow-up actions: St Public Notif requested (FEB-16-1999), St Violation/Reminder Notice (FEB-16-1999), Fed Formal NOV issued (OCT-21-1999)
• 2 other older health violations
Past monitoring violations:
• Monitoring, Repeat Major (TCR) - Between OCT-2000 and DEC-2000, Contaminant: Coliform (TCR). Follow-up actions: St Public Notif requested (DEC-04-2000), St Violation/Reminder Notice (DEC-04-2000), St Public Notif received (DEC-11-2000)
• 5 routine major monitoring violations
• 2 minor monitoring violations
• 2 regular monitoring violations

TSC STORE 240 PWS (Serves OH, Population served: 203, Groundwater):
Past monitoring violations:
• 3 routine major monitoring violations
Drinking water stations with addresses in Brentwood that have no violations reported:
• LANDINGS AT BRENTWOOD, THE (Population served: 2043, Primary Water Source Type: Purch_surface_water)

Hmmmmmm.; 8:56 PM, November 12, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: Behing? Did you mean German "beringt?"

Audemus jura nostra defendere = We dare to defend our rights.

Always knew that Latin would come in handy someday. Thanks mark, I sometimes get so caught up in here I forget I actually have the right to not answer you.

I'm curious, what will be your NEXT "great solution" two weeks from now? Can we have a sneak preview?; 9:11 PM, November 12, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: Lynette,

I'm glad you received and looked at the generic proposal.

You'll need to rework your math. 500 homes do not put out 1MGD.

www.eone.com is a collection technology, not a treatment technology.

The song remains the same:
As Paavo Ogren stated in August 2007- If there is a technology that is significantly less expensive”, “then that technology becomes the new standard and all others fall away”. When these words become reality the citizens are well represented by their government.

I am looking forward to seeing the county's consulting engineering study links/reports "those 10 years of "engineering studies" that prove the output has 7mg/L or less of nitrates."

I hope you are too, Lynette.
If they had them why aren't they included in any of the tech memo's the ctizens have been paying for?

I'll send you the ECOfluid Propoal showing a case study of a 1MGD pumping our less than 4 mg/l.

I'd look forward to seeing something soon from the county's consulting engineer.

Again, I hope you are too.; 7:55 AM, November 13, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: The county’s consulting engineer understands the value of Eone and ECOfluid.

So you don't have to...; 7:56 AM, November 13, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: Lynette,
Please feel free to research Florida's wastewater testing regimen.
I think you'll find it equal to or more stringent than California's.

I love the way you want to tie a collection system to ground water pollution.
You are making my point regarding leaky gravity bell and spigot sewerage.

I Love LO!; 8:01 AM, November 13, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: And you are ignoring my comments on updated gravity info.

I did not read the report, BTW.; 12:07 PM, November 13, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: Lynette,
Would you paste your comments on updated gravity info, here? Please.

So you have your fingers in your ears yelling lalalalala so you won't be informed?

Please indicate which "report" you are referring to, as you aren't exactly clear.

Here's a example:
As Paavo Ogren stated in August 2007- If there is a technology that is significantly less expensive”, “then that technology becomes the new standard and all others fall away”.

Did you get the math portion of your previous report squared away yet?; 2:04 PM, November 13, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: Audemus jura nostra defendere

Too bad there are so few who understand the sentiment behind these words.; 2:10 PM, November 13, 2008
Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...: Source: Flows and Loads Tech Memo - Final - off the County site.

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Gravity sewers utilize bell and spigot joint construction. Properly installed bell-and-spigot sewers will be watertight at first, and then may slowly lose their integrity as the surrounding soils shift, compressing the pipes, and compromising their seals at the joints. Some studies show that PVC pipe with bell and spigot joint can perform as new, even after decades of use, indicating that infiltration rates may be near zero (Bauer, 1990; Alferink, 1995; Whittle, 2005).

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Constructing a gravity collection system with fusion-welded PVC pipe is an alternative for reducing I/I because the joints are expected to remain watertight indefinitely.

It should be noted that using fusion-welded PVC construction will not impact the I/I that results from leaky laterals to homes, which is a major source of infiltration in many communities.

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While exfiltration is a risk with any sewer system, STEP sewers and low-pressure sewers have the potential to leak wastewater faster in the case of a rupture than a gravity sewer because they are under pressure.

I can't recall the source right now, but bell and spigot joints may rotate up to 30˚ before leaks occur.

mark, I think you missed MY point that there aren't very many of these e/one things installed. Please point me to a community that has a 1MGD plant - I couldn't find that info on their website. Then if you answer that, you will see why I threw that statement of 500 homes out there… to get you to answer that.

BTW - We had a designed and permitted 1.2 MBR plant once. I have nothing against MBR.

Wish you'd stop repeating yourself, we're not deaf, and we "get" what you are attempting to say with that statement.; 2:40 PM, November 13, 2008
Watershed Mark said...: Lynette,

I understand your wanting to believe the county's consulting engineer study is the final authority even when that work isn't complete.

I get you cannot make your point using facts and rely largely upon emotional outbursts that have no basis in engineering or technology.

If you read the EONE website you would see that there are 500,000 customers using their systems.

Why do you think the county's engineer didn't include EONE or ECOfluid in their study, yet?

Hint when they do it will prove "in" over STEP/STEG and your beloved Gravity.

Although we will probably continue to disagree, I will continue to use logic and you can use whatever you wish.

Your continuing obtuse perspective regarding collection and treatment is, laughable.

I'll leave it there for now.
Your math is just as comical...

I'm happy you think Tertiary MBR for $7.4M is better that $25M for secondary water.

You see, if the county locates the treatment facility outside the PZ th4 7/mgL N issue is mute, save the 499 gpd/per inch per diameter mile of leaky pipe.

That should be of concern to the WB and to you.

The WB and County could be sensitive to that sewage flow in the PZ and so should you, if you were intellectually honest.; 7:21 PM, November 13, 2008
SonofSamSon said...: Friday November 21st
"An Evening With Waste Water Contractors, National, State & Local Firms, etc. Presented by Citizens for Affordable and Safe Environment, Central Coast Green Corp, Surfrider Foundation, San Luis Bay Chapter, & etc."

The invitation states
A collaborative effort by:
Citizens for a Safe and Affordable Environment (This would be Al Barrow)
Citizens for Affordable Housing (This could be anybody, nothing in this County)
Citizens for Fair Analysis (Again, this could be anybody, nothing in this County)
Central Coast Green Corp (Piper Reilly, but Cooperative is not Corporation)

Citizens for a Safe and Affordable Environment (Repeats, Al Barrow)

PO Box 6931, Los Osos (Al Barrow)
Friday November 21st

Looks like it's "an evening with Al Barrow and friend"
Thanks for the research. I give up.; 5:00 PM, November 15, 2008

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