WRAC and Roll
The Water Resources Advisory Committee met Saturday, April 4th in the BOS chambers to hear a presentation from the County on the Sewer Project. The WRAC is an appointed advisory committee of County-wide representatives who address water issues of all kinds throughout the county. The WRAC committee Chairman, Mr. Winn, made it clear throughout the meeting, that the WRAC was there to ONLY consider WATER issues .
Paavo Ogren, Mark Hutchinson, John Waddell, John Diodati gave updates on the project:
--Still looking for money. The RWQCB has redefined Los Osos as a “disadvantaged community” so it can qualify for low interest, 30 year loans. Congresswoman Capps will submit a waiver to help qualify the community for stimulus funds, if the WRDA allotments actually get funded, Los Osos is already in line for $35 mil, plus the County is still looking for other grants and funds available to help low income individuals, especially with hook-up costs.
--Even though tertiary treatment is not required by the RWQCB, the county is committed to tertiary – Title 22 treatment level. (The Coastal Commission DEIR response report is also clearly committed to mandating tertiary treatment.)
--As proposed, the County system is a “discharge” project (to avoid higher levels of treatment required if it were a “recharge” project and/or well placement issues, vados zone issues & etc. ) disguised as a “recharge” project, heh-heh, wink-nudge. (I mean, the whole idea was reuse to avoid overdrafting, hence the cute little quickstep. Tri-W was the same deal). Since the new project cannot handle full disposal all in one place (neither did Tri-W, according to Paavo, so that project still left to the future the problem of figuring out a way to avoid water loss to the Bay via leach-lines & etc), this project will start out as an EVAPORATION disposal method with a small amount being returned to the community for Heh-Heh, “Recharge.” But, while evaporating the wastewater, the project does put into place the “backbone” for future use, whether urban purple pipe or ag exchange/ag use since the treatment plant and return pipe will be laid down as part of the initial project. (A key point raised by Joy Fitzhugh, of the Farm Bureau, is making sure the treated water meets the “leafy vegetable” standard, that is can be sprayed on lettuce meant for human consumption. It does, which means local farmers, like those in Monterrey County, can use the water for their crops. A further point: the unused Tonini land can be leased out for grazing and/or row crops, with all that nice “unrestricted use” water right there, thereby increasing ag use from what it is now.) And, the return pipe will be in town for future purple pipe access.
--A comprehensive water conservation plan – low flow toilets, retrofit shower heads & etc – is a must for the whole community.
-- Richard Margetson again rose during public comment to note that the water use figures were way more than they actually are or should be, a concern expressed in the Coastal Commission’s report – that if the plant is sized to accommodate way more homes than are even planned on build out, what’s that extra capacity for? And does the county have the numbers wrong and what does that mean vis a vis plant capacity and/or cost?
--The semi-final EIR, with comments from the DEIR included, is now out and posted at www.lowwp-eir.net/lowwpeir/ or www.slocounty.ca.gov/pw/lowwp and click on the EIR report.
Some questions from the WRAC:
1. Who owns the wastewater? This one from Joy was really great. Turns out that the water purveyors own their water allotments, and sell it to the owner who then owns it until it’s flushed into county pipes at which point the County owns it. (The people who are putting the wastewater into those county-owned pipes are paying for the privilege.) May sound like a silly question, but “Unrestricted Use” Title 22, “waste/recycled” water is now and will become even more valuable a commodity as time goes on and our rainfall disappears and the aquifers dry up. So who owns it is critical because it can be sold twice, so to speak.
2. Even though the County owns that wastewater, they cannot legally tell people what to do with it, i.e. they can’t mandate ag reuse or demand purple pipe reuse (except on their own property) BUT they are committed to ensuring that up to 10% be committed to environmental use (wetland restoration, etc.) and 10% available to ag reuse, and the rest available to the water purveyors and community for use as needed and/or however the Judge who’s overseeing the various water rights litigation sees fit. (A large component of water re-use will remain with the water purveyors. If the basin isn’t balanced they’ll be out of business so all of them have to figure out a fair way to recharge the aquifers they’re using, re-position and re-drill their wells so as to reduce salt-water intrusion and etc. with the Judge overseeing the entire issue, a Judge who can rule if the parties don’t come to an agreement. And, of course, the water purveyors will charge their customers accordingly. Hence, there will be additional costs for this project as “waste” gets separated out from “water.”)
3. There were a variety of public comments. The Sustainablity Group turned in their report for the WRAC’s perusal. That report focused on keeping the entire basin balanced for the long term. If the WRAC reads that report, they certainly can bring back for discussion any of the ideas therein which they can then pass onto the BOS as recommendations for consideration.
The final Resolutions from the WRAC:
1. Recommend to the BOS the project go with “unrestricted use” Title 22 tertiary treatment.
2. Form a subcommittee to review the EIR and come back with any further recommendations.
3. Urge every water purveyor to start conservation programs right now, not wait until the project is completed several years from now.
And, finally, it wouldn’t be a Hideous Sewer Wars meeting without a fascinating kerfluffle.
One of the WRAC members proposed a motion that the WRAC recommend the BOS consider asking for an RFP for STEP be added to the short list (Oddly, there is NO STEP RFP proposal/ engineering firm on the short list, only gravity, despite promises that this would be a fair process that would let the best float to the top all the way through, & etc. Somebody clearly was there with a thumb on that list or a pair of scissors at the ready: 5 names? No, we don’t need no fifth name, heh-heh.)
Suddenly, there was that unmistakable sound -- ker-CHANG! Calmly, in a soft voice, Paavo pulled the WRAC’s chain: If the committee submits such a recommendation, he blandly stated, they’d better be prepared to declare its relevance to water issues. Ker-CHANG!!! Translation? The county has pre-selected gravity and will not tolerate any attempt to include STEP in any form. Big Dog has spoken, so these WRAC puppies better get back up on their porch.
After a few whimpering back and forths explaining the WATER concerns of gravity pipes vs. sealed STEP pipes in low ground WATER areas and such like, the committee members scuttled the motion and scampered up on the porch to safety.
After which, alternate WRACer, Linda Chipping, went up on the porch with a rolled up newspaper to whap them with a school-marmish voice reminding them that the recent survey made it clear that the overwhelming majority of those who completed the survey either preferred gravity, would pay extra for gravity or under no circumstances would accept anything BUT gravity, Whap! Whap! Whap!
The meeting was adjourned until further notice.
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Are youn suggesting that Mr. Ogren was incorrect in his statement that the WRAC is required to maintain a water-related nexus on matters for which they advise the BOS?
Are you implying that Ms. Chipping was inaccurate in her survey-related comments to the WRAC?
Is it OK for the Public Works Director to do his job as he believes it should be done, and to do so with quiet, but firm, conviction?
Is it OK for Los Osos property owners to support the County staff's efforts to get this near impossible project done if they choose to do so?
Great report, Ann.
I'm sure we'll see similar coverage in the Trib soon... or not.
And, as long as we're firing questions at Ann:
I'm curious, did WRAC member, Bruce Buel, recuse himself?
If he didn't, was it at least acknowledge that he was the LOCSD GM from 1999 - 2005?
Who said he recused himself? He couldn't as he was not in attendance.
Ann says:
"--As proposed, the County system is a “discharge” project (to avoid higher levels of treatment required if it were a “recharge” project and/or well placement issues, vados zone issues & etc. ) disguised as a “recharge” project, heh-heh, wink-nudge."
Gee, you want to pay even MORE for this thing? It is discharging where it will recharge best, short of injection wells. I repeat, you want to pay even more for this thing?
To find the FEIR and the crucial appendix "Q" -(Prefered project)
Within the LOWWP Page
LOWWP Quicklinks
Document Library ----------> (To find EIR click on "current documents" then click on "December 2, 2008: Los Osos Wastewater Project Environmental Impact Report website." then, go to top bar, then click on "Los Osos Wastewater Project EIR Documents" then scroll about 1/2 way down.
Or... Click on this Link
http://www.lowwp-eir.net/lowwpeir/eir.aspx
Waste..., Water..., It's just a click away, It's just a click away. (Merry Clayton as Mick Jagger)
TCG: I suggest no such things. I found the whole meeting humorous.
Humorous? What was humorous about it?
Toonces sez:"Humorous? What was humorous about it?"
All, well, Toonces, if you have to ask it's likely you'll never know. But I find it amusing to watch how agencies "dance" with one another. All kinds of interesting code words, body language, faux deference hiding sharp pointy knives, what a friend of mine calls "sniles," a cross between a snarl and a smile. Always interesting and very often humorous. The alacrity with which the issue of STEP was scramblingly withdrawn after one slight lip curl from Paavo was funny. Reminded me of how my dogs often silently communicate to one another. As a human, if you don't watch closely, you miss the signals. Dogs rarely do, but if one does miss or ignores the signal, it's likely he/she will be swiftly punished.
I was walking home one night and a guy hammering on a roof called me a paranoid little weirdo. In morse code.
-Emo Phillips
I don't think Paavo's lip curl was the decider. It was Maria's comments and Linda Chipping's comments that did it. You don't attend WRAC meetings, I do, and you have no idea the respect that Linda has in that group. Maria, while newer to the group, has a pretty high profile having been on the TAC environmental group and now the CSD Board. I think you missed the boat and read in what you wanted to see.
Toons, I think you hit it on the head. Ann sees "thumbs on the scale", nudges & winks and all manner of the unspoken at every opprotunity.
The process will never be transparent enough for some folks.
Realistic1, I agree. There is no real meaning to "transparent" for those who have a no-sewer agenda. They just don't realize how transparent they really are!
I'm so glad step was voted down. Had they voted yes, we would gotten to the end of that process and even if it "won," the words "foul process" and - "oh, we really think vacuum is best," would have been the very next words out of the "pro-step" supporters mouths.
'Toons,
This just in from goofy Tom Murphy's lawsuit-against-everybody-in-the-known- universe: Lisa Schicker and her partner in crime, Cinthea Coleman, are trying to get Dianne Feinstein involved in Lisa's vendetta against MWH. I hope MWH sues Lisa over her slander and defamation. That MAY hold up, unlike Murphy's claim. Did you happen to get Murphy's email? We did, and I waded through his hilarious "evidence". Lots of strange, repetitive documents presented.
Still elated that the county did the right thing, but I realize the zealots will still try to screw up the works with lawsuits or at least threats of same.
Hi Alabamasue!
How fun! Unfortunately (sort of!), I got kicked off that list a long time ago - if you have the energy, please forward to: sewertoons@gmail.com - if you deleted it by now, that is understandable!
Unbelievable! Lisa just won't quit - I hope Diane Feinstein doesn't waste too much of her time on this. Sounds to me like Lisa can't find support to sue, so she is trying to get the government to do it for her. I hope MWH puts her in her place!
She is no longer a Director, does not represent the current CSD, so I wonder how, as a private citizen - with documents (the information she was offering up to the Supes) that we should also be able to access as it should be public record, OR, if she has private documents - you know - those boxes in Gail's living room of stuff we can no longer access because it is gone- that as a private citizen, with documents she has NO RIGHT TO POSSESS - she thinks she is smart enough to get something going on this. MWH is a really big entity. I suspect DF won't touch this with a 10 foot pole once she sees it is a vendetta, and that MWH will do something back - even if we never hear about it.
Lisa is already in enough hot with the waste of taxpayer money case!
Done, Sewertoons !
If you go to the website mentioned, and click on exibit 2, you can look at two emails, labeled 'lisaletter' & 'shortlist'. Wonder if she knows her supposedly "confidential" emails are up on that site??
Thanks Alabamasue! I just got back home and I'll check it out!!
WOW! What fun - there is whacky stuff all over the place!! I am downloading stuff like crazy! THANKS!!
Lynette,
While you and Sue are having so much fun today exchanging email, can you check to see if she sent you the link to the meeting she said she recognized Mr. Dean "I forgot his last name"?
As much as you may not think so, it is an important point regarding your credibility and now hers.
As you can see, ignoring my request for you to admit your untruthfulness(lie?) and apologize for it, won't make this issue fade away.
You're welcome. I read enough last night to make my head spin. This is what happens when most people act as their own lawyers. I'd love to see the judge's face when he tries to read this crap. More likely he'll pass it off to some poor assistant!~
And the poor assistant will have a hard time keeping a straight face!! The only word that comes to mind here is "delusional!" Thanks for making my day!!
OK, Sewertoons; I was going to quit this for the night , but my husband reminded me of Tacker's faux pas at the BOS Meeting. Julie said she was "diabolicaly" opposed to Maria Kelly's earlier speech. Unless she meant "diametrictly" ? Since she seems to have the the spawn of the devil with her at all times, maybe it fits.
Oh, and it WAS a fun day- the market closed UP!
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!! "Diabolically" is a crack-up!! I heard Dave Duggan teasing her about that at the last break!!
(I downloaded the entire 1 gigabyte + of that meeting for future scrutiny.)
Yayyyyy Market!!!!
See you here again tomorrow!
Mr. Dean "I forgot his last name". Lynette.
That's your "punch line".
You know, sewertoons, sometimes it feels to me like Richard is still a CSD member. He seems to be able to recite chapter and verse of everything that goes on.
Have you seen the youtube video of Hillary Clinton farting? Since you seem to be having such a good time with all of this maybe you'll enjoy it.
Sincerely, M
M,
Richard has a great memory and he served as a CSD Board member, so he was on the inside. He predicted the bankruptcy with great accuracy. He has helped with many technical issues on these blogs, but he is no longer on the Board, thanks to lying by Lisa and Julie, et al. I appreciate that he even has the heart to write in here.
I am not having a good time with this, in fact I wish the whole thing were not happening. Not long after we moved into this house our street was unzipped and it looked like we were going to get a sewer. The recall was very discouraging to me at the beginning and as time went on, getting an NOV, dealing with a bankrupt CSD, needing to put a lien on the house to pay for the sewer, it has only gotten worse. I look for humor where I find it.
Did you get the Murphy E-mail referenced above?
M,
Richard can quote chapter and verse because he has been involved with the development of the sewer since before the CSD was formed. He was a member of the County's technical task force before their project was torpedoed by the formation of the CSD in 1998. He was on the CSD's wastewater committee for three years before being elected to the CSD Board in 2002. His level of knowledge of the technical "hows and whys" over the history of the project is undisputed.
Lynette,
Why are you talking about Murphy?
Why not talk about someone you actually know about like Mr. Dean "I forgot his last name"?
Please tell us whay you know and when you knew it.
You ought to know by now, I'll just keep asking until you do...
Toonces sez:"I don't think Paavo's lip curl was the decider. It was Maria's comments and Linda Chipping's comments that did it. You don't attend WRAC meetings, I do, and you have no idea the respect that Linda has in that group."
Paavo's lip curl was message #1 from Big Dog. Linda's rolled up newspaper Whap-whapping was message #2, End WHAP Of WHAP Sentence! I've known Linda for 20+ years. She's an amazing lady and I have the highest respect for her, which is why I found her newpaper whapping so deliciously funny.
Realistic 1 sez:"Toons, I think you hit it on the head. Ann sees "thumbs on the scale", nudges & winks and all manner of the unspoken at every opprotunity.
The process will never be transparent enough for some folks."
Uh, Realistic, if the Process were NOT transparent, even muddily so, you wouldn't see any thumbs at all. So even a muddy transparency is enough IF people pay attention and keep their eyes on the table and watch for those wink-nudges. Speaks volumes and then people can decide if they want to speak out they can. Or not. But they will be aware of what's going on, even if it's rather dim.
Sewertoons, Somehow Richard always comes out clean in this. Even though he warned against the forming of a CSD, he became a member. Did he foresee 46 million over estimates for Tri-W? Yet he went along with it and accepted the bids. Did he not set the recall election date at the nearly latest possible moment? In many peoples minds causing the recall success. Did his demeanor not come to an irrational "I have f****** balls" outburst while a CSD director? Was he not recalled as a CSD director? Doesn't that say that we don't want you involved in the process anymore?
No, I have not seen Murphy's e-mail.
Sincerely, M
Lynette,
Re: Mr. Dean "I forgot his last name":
Please tell us what you know and when you knew it.
You ought to know by now, I'll just keep asking until you do...
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