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Monday, August 21, 2006

And You Thought “Stand Down” Actually Meant Stand Down?

Ah, those were the days. Remember when Assemblyman Blakeslee asked all the Sewer Warring parties to “stand down,” i.e stop doing whatever it was they were doing until his Bill could possibly sort things out? And a whole lot of people thought that that meant that the RWQCB would indeed “stand down” and reconsider their Mad Pumping Scheme and Prosecution of The Los Osos 45? Bwahahahahah.

Here’s some of what Chairman Young wrote in his leter to The Los Osos 45:

“Having read the brief submitted by designated parties, and consulted with the Board’s Counsel, I have determined that the Prosecution Team shall be required to present its entire case from the beginning. All previous evidence and testimony prepared or presented by the Prosecution Team, including proposed Cease and Desist Orders, staff technical analysis, agenda materials and supporting documentation shall be stricken from the record. . . . “

In other words, The Los Osos 45 are going to have to start all over again. Only this time, if they’re not able to act on their own behalf, they’ll have to show up with an attorney or give someone full power of attorney in order to help them at the hearing. And if they can’t afford an attorney? Tough. That’s the RWQCB’s version of “standing down.”

One description of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. “Prosecuting” the hapless Los Osos 45 will not clean up so much as one teaspoon of water, will waste huge amounts of time and resources both for this community and for the Board itself.

In addition, here’s a simple alternative to what they’re doing, besides what I’ve suggested in my letter --i.e. formation of a formal Septic Management District --an even easier-to-accomplish proposal: Submit proof of installation of any one of a variety of onsite systems that can meet or exceed the mitigation discharge numbers that the RWQCB thinks (guesses) will result from their destructive, pointless Mad Pumping Scheme, and your name will be put on the CDO reserve list. Every year thereafter, until the community’s wastewater system is built, submit proof of your onsite’s sytems inspection and servicing, and your name remains on the reserve list. Anyone not choosing to do the above will get a CDO order and will be free to waste their time and energy and the time and energy of the RWQCB for a “trial.”

Meantime, mitigation can begin immediately instead of everyone wasting time and energy on what the Bay News is now openly calling a “kangaroo court.”

Or would that proposal be too easy to accomplish and be a faster way to actually start cleaning up wastewater, which I thought was the whole mission of the RWQCB in the first place? I mean, they do have the words “Water Quality” in their title, don’t they?


My Letter to the Chairman. You might want to send one of your own.

August 16, 06

Jeffery Young, Chairman
Regional Water Quality Control Board
895 Aerovista Place Suite 101
San Luis Obispo, CA 93401-7906

Dear Mr. Young and Boardmembers,

I see in your letter of August 4 that the Los Osos 45 are once again in limbo and/or soon to be put in double jeopardy while you and your board reconsider and resubmit whatever procedures your new CDO prosecution team decides on. In this brief window, I would plead with this board to stop and reconsider this path entirely.

So far, I have seen absolutely no evidence that CDOs on individuals do anything to help mitigate nitrates in the Los Osos upper aquifer. The mad pumping scheme that was originally proposed was clear evidence that Mr. Briggs acted in anger and haste and simply didn’t think that thing through. Furthermore, CDOs are simply the wrong method to accomplish mitigation until a wastewater project gets back on track, the process of which is already moving full speed ahead with the Blakeslee bill moving through the Assembly and the Project Update completed and ready to be handed off to the County.

More futilely still, CDOs simply waste your Board’s time, your staff’s time and resources and endless pots of taxpayer’s money to “prosecute” a faux “trial” that results in what? More expensive (real) trials later, all of which unfairly punish individual citizens for the collective failure of their government.

For years, Los Osos residents have been lied to (and about) and misled by their elected government (please see enclosed). As the rescinding of the “2001 Statement of Overriding Considerations” makes clear, the citizens were misled – an environmentally preferred project “out of town” was ALWAYS a reality and could have been built years ago except for the ginned up “misidentified” and “misleading” findings in the SOC. And the misled citizens were not alone -- the SWB, the RWQCB, the SLO Planning Commission, the SLO Board of Supervisors, and the Coastal Commissioners were also given this misleading SOC with a straight face.

But guess which group you’re (again) planning on punishing? That is simply wrong.

You now have a few moments to stop and ask a critical question: Will groundwater mitigation while the new project gets built occur faster with endless show trials or with an immediate turnkey of Resolution 83-12?

Right now, against enormous odds, (deadly kneecapping and monkey wrenching of all kinds) the CSD and Wastewater Committee citizen volunteers are busy putting in place something that citizens have been requesting from the County, from the former CSD and from your Board for 30 years – A Wastewater Management District, one that can collect revenues fairly from the whole community, one that can identify hotspots for immediate treatment with suitable “Pirana-type” onsite systems, one that can identify and replace any failing tanks and so forth. Instead of unfairly singling out hapless citizens, your Board can help create a coherent plan that will actually result in cleaning up groundwater while the new project gets built.

And since you apparently like the whole notion of CDO’s here’s a suggestion: Front page headline’s in the SLO Tribune: “RWQCB Gives Choice To Los Osos: Vote to Assess Yourselves To Form a Wastewater District Now or We’ll Start The Individual CDO’s Again, And No, Being Dissolved Won’t Save You.”

Then please instruct your staff to sit down with the CSD and County staff (so far as I know, they still hold the MOU and need to be on board) to get that measure on the ballot so we can start work to actually clean up water now instead of continuing on the sickening path that does nothing to water, but instead brings to bear the full might and power of state regulators to force 80 year-old people to live in constant fear that if they can’t afford an attorney and aren’t up to being Perry Mason themselves, you’ll take their homes away from them.

All of you on this Board have been given a second chance here, one brief moment to do the right thing. Please don’t fail.

Sincerely,




Ann Calhoun
Los Osos, CA 93402
email: churadogs@aol.com

c.c. SWB, Assmbly Blakeslee, Sen. Maldonado,
Gov. Schwarzenegger, Rep. Capps, LOCSD, blog posted.

46 comments:

Mike Green said...

But!But! But!
If the Water Gods can't punish us, what power do they have?

They are GODS!

Anyone out there ever VOTE for a member of the RWQCB?

Didn't think so.

Anonymous said...

Churadog writes:"As the rescinding of the “2001 Statement of Overriding Considerations” makes clear, the citizens were misled..."

I'm missing something here! It is true that the CSD passed a rescinding resolution in the last few weeks, but how does this change anything? Has there been some ruling somewhere, a trial , a hearing, anything?

Please enlighten us!

Mike Green said...

Enlightenment? GODS?
Someone set up a tent, we got us a revival here!

Dear lord! what is the difference between misled and confuson?

Spectator said...

Ann:

Do you have any INDEPENDENT testing data on the ability of a Pirana system with its proprietary aerobic bacteria to reduce NITRATES in effluent from a septic tank? I have written them but have recieved no reply. Seriously, if it is proven to work I want to use this system in Panama.

Jon Arcuni

Churadogs said...

Spectator sez:
Ann:

Do you have any INDEPENDENT testing data on the ability of a Pirana system with its proprietary aerobic bacteria to reduce NITRATES in effluent from a septic tank? I have written them but have recieved no reply. Seriously, if it is proven to work I want to use this system in Panama.

Jon Arcuni "

The RWQCB issued an approval letter to ABG systems last year, (actually, maybe two years ago now, my how time's flying) I believe, allowing them to use the systems outside the prohibition zone (letter should be on file with the RWQCB and at the CSD office) (That was the "infamous" letter sent to Bruce Buel that, apparently, wasn't shared with some Board members, the letter that only turned up after the recall, and caused a stir because if the full board (and/or new board) had known about the letter, they certainly could have moved to install same as mitigation immediately upon taking the reins and could have started the firehouse mitigation immediately, etc.) The systems under the firehouse and Bayridge, etc. are due for an "official" testing at some point. Informal on the spot testing per Dr. Wickham's brief report to the Board a few months ago, indicates nitrate reduction. The official results will evaluate all kinds of things and, I believe, will be based on the pizometer readings at different depths sor a more complete picture of what's happening in the leach field will become clear. All that info will go to the CSD & to the RWQCB staff.

*PG-13 said...

All well and good certainly. Is there any non-independent testing data? I haven't looked at the Pirana website in some time but the last time I looked ~6 months ago I was surprised at the scarcity of en-situ performance data. There were lots of claims but little to data to back up those claims. That seemed odd to me at the time. The lack of detailed measured (and certified?) performance data is troubling. Here is a product which is being marketed as doing certain things. Yet there seems to be little objective measured performance history in support of these claims. This is especially troubling when the product is being proposed as an important piece of a sewer strategy for an entire community. As much as I want to believe in this product and how it could serve as a key element in a comprehensive water management system it can't be accepted as such unless its performance is unquestionably proven. A single short test case under the fire station isn't enough. My moma didn't raise no fool. If it's as good as it claims to be where's the proof? Nor can we expect the RWQCB to turn around, stretch and buy into something that isn't clearly proven. This is a significant factor which needs to be recognized and addressed.

*PG-13 said...

Unsatisfied with my previous post, I took another look at the Pirana website and found this info about certification and testing . This states that there is an International Association of Plumbing and Mechanical Officials (IAPMO) standard IGC 180-2003 addressing the performance and certification of Aerobic Bacterial Generators such as the Pirana system.

As the IAPMO homepage states: IAPMO Guide Criteria (IGC's) are standards developed to cover products not yet addressed by existing consensus standards. Often, new products or new technologies surge ahead far faster than most standards can keep pace. Through IGC procedure, IAPMO provides manufacturers and product developers an opportunity to draft standards as a vehicle for introducing new products. IAPMO (IGC's) are ultimately used as the basis for developing IAPMO PS Standards, or ASTM, ASME, ANSI or ASSE standards.

This is a good start. There appears to be some standardization and test and performance criteria for something like the Pirana. I didn't buy the published standard ($60) so I don't know how rigorous the testing criteria is. Therefore, one would presume that there is test performance data available but that it is not published for public review. Presumably engineers with a need to know would have access to this data. Still it would be nice for the rest of us to know what the standard addresses and how much Pirana performance data is available and what it proves.

Spectator said...

If you want to know all about NITRATES and NITRATE reduction go to www.lanl.gov. Search on wastewater.

This is the National Lab funded by the US Gov. What you will be interested in is reducing nitrates. This is a very comprehensive site. After you spend about three days reading all the material, you will find many ways of removing nitrates from drinking water (ion exchange) and wastewater.

This site is definitive, and will be used by any public agency. Those that do not use it, or cannot comprehend it, might as well cease to opine.

Of course, anyone can opine that the US gov does not know what it is talking about, just as they complain about the CCRWQCB not being in touch with technology.

I, of course, complain about the Democratic Party/Environmental coalition that has produced laws that cannot be adjusted to specific locations. They simply do not care about people, high energy prices, cost of housing, etc. No new refineries, no new nuc power plants, no coal/oil conversion, no nuc storage, and no new drilling on our coasts or Anwar.

And we argue about nitrate pollution and what to do with it. Well the nitrates eventually find themselves into the bay, feed the eel grass, and the brant eat the eel grass and get fat. Fish spawn in the eel grass, baby fish live within, and eat the algae fed by the nitrates. And this rabble rouser asks: what will happen to the eel grass and baby fish if the bay is deprived of nitrates?
Is the cow poop and dog and cat poop sufficient in rainy weather?

At www.lanl.gov you will find how to take nitrates out of drinking water. You will also find out how
to take it out of wastewater. Only money!

The only thing I know is that a sewer plant is mandated, and one cannot fight city hall. We will pay for it. How much is the question. So why does the environmental/democratic party not allow us to treat our drinking water for nitrates and make us stop feeding the estuary? (the estuary drains and refills every day)

It is the law, and we got what we voted for. Live with it. Change it, fat chance! Fight it, rancid fat chance!

And to PG-13: spend the $60 dollars and let us know what you have learned. Betcha nothing about nitrate elimination. Remember that aerobic bacteria converts ammonia to nitrite, and nitrite to nitrate.


Good reading!

Mike Green said...

Great post Jon, Panama sounds better and better!

Anonymous said...

I have a question for Ann and Ron:

If, as you assert, there was never a "deeply held community value" regarding combining a park and a wastewater facility at the Tri-W site, then how do you explain the overwhelming voter support for the ponding system/"drop dead gorgeous" park that brought the CSD into being in the first place? As I recall, the 1998 election saw the highest voter turnout in Los Osos history, and more than 80% of those voting voted yes for the "sewage pond park".

The technology may have changed under later boards, but this community still voted to establish a local government to put a "sewer park" in the middle of town.

Just asking.

Realistic1

*PG-13 said...

Whew. After a seriously long and convoluted rant ...

Spectator says > And to PG-13: spend the $60 dollars and let us know what you have learned. Betcha nothing about nitrate elimination. ....

Uh, no thanks. I fear I might learn too much about everything and turn into something like you ;-)

Hey, I appreciate your frustrations. Your frustrations are valid .... even if your blame is somewhat misplaced. I sense your displeasure with the, uh, non-caring, insensitive, economically irresponsible, anti-oil and energy blind Democratic Party/Environmental coalition. And then you go off worrying about "what will happen to the eel grass and baby fish if the bay is deprived of nitrates". Finishing with "one cannot fight city hall". Have another sip of fine cognac and crank it up again bro! I love it! Righteous indignation is a first step to a revolutionary proletariat. Hallelujah! Still, being a slightly left-leaning aging hippie I can't help but wonder how much worse your frustration would be if the Democratic Party/Environmental coalition had actually had a speaking role over the last decade. Imagine, things could be worse!! < shudder >

You are waaaaaay ready for a move to Panama. Bon voyage! And I mean that lovingly. And supportingly. I'm challenged reading this evening's rant then reflecting back on your ever so delightful discourse about Panama a few weeks ago. Aggravations and frustrations are a good part of our lives. Dealing with them is how we define ourselves. And create ourselves. I don't deny the truths underlying your rant. Damn, who doesn't feel those frustrations. I just hope you don't think you're getting away from those by moving to Panama. Bet'cha there's just more of the same there. Probably worse. Of course, it will all go down so much easier if you feel you are making a difference there (per your discourse) and things, whatever they are, are always so much better when you're fishing. Happy fishing!

> go to www.lanl.gov. Search on wastewater. This is the National Lab funded by the US Gov. What you will be interested in is reducing nitrates. ... This site is definitive, and will be used by any public agency. Those that do not use it, or cannot comprehend it, might as well cease to opine.

I used to work for a national lab. I worked for the national Solar Energy Research Institute (now NREL: National Renewable Energy Labs). I was probably the last person hired there before Ronnie and his friends began dismantling all alternative energy programs never to rise again. You wanna talk about years of frustration? You wanna talk about heartbreak? You wanna blame changing political tides for lack of progress and for many of the dire scenarios we're facing today? I'll raise you and call you. Sorry Spectator, you're not the only one experiencing this angst! Many of my teachers and many of my friends used to work at LANL. Did you know that those same Los Alamos computers used to model nuclear explosions were also used, during down cpu cycles, to simulate solar energy experiments? The birth of solar engineering and solar architecture in this country owes a great debt to those computers. Sadly, it's been a long downhill decline since the late 70's. Lots of other solar research has been done - mostly under the table and somewhat clandestinely - at Sandia. And now you tell me the font of all wisdom regarding nitrate uptake is at LANL? Why am I not surprised.

Spectator > It is the law, and we got what we voted for. Live with it. Change it, fat chance! Fight it, rancid fat chance!

Peace. Cool. Over and out.

Churadogs said...

Anonymous said:"I have a question for Ann and Ron:

If, as you assert, there was never a "deeply held community value" regarding combining a park and a wastewater facility at the Tri-W site, then how do you explain the overwhelming voter support for the ponding system/"drop dead gorgeous" park that brought the CSD into being in the first place? As I recall, the 1998 election saw the highest voter turnout in Los Osos history, and more than 80% of those voting voted yes for the "sewage pond park".

The technology may have changed under later boards, but this community still voted to establish a local government to put a "sewer park" in the middle of town.

Just asking."

The key is to be found in the price quoted: $35 a month price adamently asserted and defended by the Solutions Group versus the county's sewer project set at $65 (more realistically, like$85 - 100 if you add in hook up fees and mitigation etc.) of course, that price turned out not to be doable, like the project itself.(As Ron's Bay News piece shows, the Solutions Group knew before the CSD election that the RWQCB wouldn't approve the ponds, but the community didn't know and the creation of the CSD hinged on that FAster! Better! Cheaper pond system presented by the Solutions Group, three members of which were running for the very first CSD Board) Plus, the Ponds of Avalon promised a closed system reuse/recharge of water, so no need to import state water and was an elegant, forward-looking STEP plan. If the Ripley plan ends up being selected, there will be great irony a work: A STEP system, ponds (winter holding ponds) water recycle and a lower price than the (old) plan. Irony. Irony.

Ron said...

Realistic1 asked:

"If, as you assert, there was never a "deeply held community value" regarding combining a park and a wastewater facility at the Tri-W site, then how do you explain the overwhelming voter support for the ponding system/"drop dead gorgeous" park that brought the CSD into being in the first place? As I recall, the 1998 election saw the highest voter turnout in Los Osos history, and more than 80% of those voting voted yes for the "sewage pond park""

Excellent question. (And I wrote the following before I read Ann's post above)

That ponding system was falsely advertised using an all-to-familiar-tactic these days -- low balled numbers. Town-folk were told their "maximum monthly payment" would be $38.75. That ponding system also needed a lot of land, and at the time, the Solution Group told Los Osos that Tri-W was needed because of its size. According to a Solution Group newsletter, because the ponding system was centrally located, and required a lot of land, there would also be "opportunities" for recreational stuff.

Los Osos voted for "$38.75 a month" in 1998, not a park in a sewer plant. That was just icing on the "$38.75/month" cake.

What do you think the vote would have been to establish a CSD in 1998 if the Solution Group had come clean before the election and said, "The park's going to lock in the downtown location, we're not going to have ponds but an industrial sewer plant, and the maximum monthly payment will be $200+/month?"

PG-13 said:

"I worked for the national Solar Energy Research Institute..."

Cool.

Hey, PG, am I right about solar energy bring the pumping costs down in just a few years? Arnold sounds like he's got some nice solar incentive programs going.

Shark Inlet said...

So Ron ... of course the natural and best solution is to oppose the in-town plant and make it not $100/month but $200/month and then, once the construction starts, stop it and make the cost of any plant $300/month or more.

Which raises in my mind a natural question ... is "doofus" the correct spelling?


Seriously ... if the community wants a park in town associated with the plant for $40/month and later votes (for CSD directors and the assessment to fund the design of the TriW plant) confirm that the location is fine with folks even if more expensive ... where do you get off saying that we don't value in-town recreation? Realistic1 has a great question for you and you ducked the question entirely.

What is somewhat funny is that your response makes it clear that your entire postion is morally bankrupt. Your whole justificaiton for your pursuit of the park angle seems to be based on financial considerations ... if this is the case, why refuse to even consider them later? Hell, at least Ann replied to the quesiton by saying that in town was okay if it was cheap enough. The ironic thing here is that she essentially said that if the cost were about $40 versus $80 she would be willing to have it in town (a $40/month savings) but she supports moving the plant from TriW to out-of-town at an extra cost of at least $100/month (as evidenced by her support of the current LOCSD board actions). I don't get it ... If Ann wants to save money she should have support TriW becuase it would save us a lot of money.

Anonymous said...

if it weren't for shark inlet and spectator and publicworks and richard legros and stan gustafson and gordon hensley and pandora nash-karner and joyce albright and all these muther fucking LIARS from the solutions group a.k.a save the dream(nightmare) a.k.a taxpayers watch......if it weren't for all these ASSHOLES, we would already have an out of town county project and it would of cost less than 70 million = way less than $100/month. it was pandora and friends that completely FUCKED OUR TOWN OVER when they promised us all cheaper, better, faster in 1998. 8 years later they presented our community with a sludge factory next to the library for $250/month. NOT BETTER, NOT CHEAPER, NOT FASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
all these fucking idiots have done is divide our community and cost us all millions. i hope every single evil fucked up member of taxpayers watch, rots stinking in the earth and i hope their souls torment and burn in hell for all eternity on second thought maybe we should burn them, i dont want their rotten decomposing evil polluted flesh infecting my ground water............they are dead to my ears. i will never listen to anything anyone of them ever has to say again......ann says the devil is in the details. i say the devil is right here in los osos. the antichrist lives....the beast has manifested itself in the form of taxpayers watch.

Anonymous said...

anonymous 6:39 PM:

I most certainly hope that your last comments mean that you will not be reading OR posting on this blog again.

If you cannot say it in English, then forget trying to post it in @#$%^.

As is usual with those of you who are trying to place the blame on everyone except yourself, you have shown yourself to be as crude, coarse and vulgar as any leach line effluent! AND, about as much attention will be paid to your message.

Sewertoons said...

Gee anon 6:39 - tell us how you really feel! Sounds like you might have some issues that need a little headshrinking. Be careful - that much hatred sounds like you are in danger of being recruited by Osama. Take a chill pill - or try growing up! (Unless you really ARE about 15. Then you definitely need a shrink.)

Anonymous said...

sorry, sewertoons. i left you out of my list of infamous assholes. were you feeling left out? like i said, i'm not listening to you or your kind anymore. you assholes have done enough dammage to our town. sounds like, to me, you've had too much headshrinking. sounds like you've had so much headshrinking, that your brains have completely vanished. i guess they disappeared with that $50/month out-of-town sewer the county was all ready to build us when you decided to start telling us all your lies back in 1998.

i am sorry for the potty mouth.........
but the truth really does hurt, doesn't it.

is this better?............

if it weren't for sewertoons and shark inlet and spectator and publicworks and richard legros and stan gustafson and gordon hensley and pandora nash-karner and joyce albright and all these Fornication Under Consent of the King LIARS from the solutions group a.k.a save the dream(nightmare) a.k.a taxpayers watch......if it weren't for all these ARISTOCRATS(did you see the HBO comedy special....now, that was funny), we would already have an out-of-town County project and it would of cost less than 70 million = way less than $100/month. it was pandora and friends that completely FUBAR'd OUR TOWN OVER when they promised us all cheaper, better, faster in 1998. 8 years later they presented our community with a sludge factory next to the library for $250/month. NOT BETTER, NOT CHEAPER, NOT FASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
all these For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge idiots have done is divide our community and cost us all millions. i hope every single evil meddling fuccant member of taxpayers watch, rots stinking in the earth and i hope their souls torment and burn in hell for all eternity on second thought maybe we should burn them, i dont want their rotten decomposing evil polluted flesh infecting my ground water............they are dead to my ears. i will never listen to anything anyone of them ever has to say again......ann says the devil is in the details. i say the devil is right here in los osos. the antichrist lives....the beast has manifested itself in the form of taxpayers watch.

you are right. thanks for the advise. this is much better without all the naughty words.

ok, i'm going back to not listening anymore. unless, of course, you say something so completely retarded that it will force my comment. i can tell sewertoons, you've had years of headshrinking. it really must be difficult for you to articulate rational thought when your brain has been shrunk down to the size of invisible. osama might crash airplanes into buildings but i doubt if osama would build a sewer in the center of his home town upwind from his mosque. osama is not that evil. and, how many times do i have to say it? i'm not 15 and i'm not a boy. are you guys fishing for gordon again? i thought his NAMBLA membership expired.

p.s. anon(9:53) i'm not trying to blame everyone but myself. i am only blaming you and your jackass friends. the special interest group called taxpayers watch. the same group of people that called themselves the solutions group in 1998. if it weren't for you and all your friends, we'd all be hooked up to an out of town sewer for about $50 dollars a month. thanks a lot, you scum sucking, muther fucking, evil demon bitch assholes.........
opps, i did it again. sorry, it just slipped out........

what i meant to say was....
thanks a lot you Fornication Under Consent of the King lying, mammy ramming, evil demon mongrel sphincters.

have a nice day:)

Anonymous said...

this is one demented sewerhead....the CSD must be proud to have it as a supporter!!!!

Churadogs said...

Inlet sez:"Hell, at least Ann replied to the quesiton by saying that in town was okay if it was cheap enough. The ironic thing here is that she essentially said that if the cost were about $40 versus $80 she would be willing to have it in town (a $40/month savings) but she supports moving the plant from TriW to out-of-town at an extra cost of at least $100/month (as evidenced by her support of the current LOCSD board actions). I don't get it ... If Ann wants to save money she should have support TriW becuase it would save us a lot of money."

Uh, Inlet, would you please show me where I said what you claim I said? You've done this before, taken things out of context and or read them wrong then turned around to make false claims about what people DIDN'T say. If you remember, some time ago, I had to ask seriously if you had problems with ADD or ADH or comprehension problems or something that would explain how you could possibly come up with your claims which you then print as "fact." Inlet, what you're doing is not, uh, helpful . . .

*PG-13 said...
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Shark Inlet said...

Sorry that I'm not using quotation marks the way you would like, Ann.

I guess you also are saying that you didn't support the formation of a CSD who campaigned on putting a WWTF in the middle of town.

My apologies.

*PG-13 said...
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*PG-13 said...

Anon > you are right. thanks for the advise. this is much better without all the naughty words.

Yes! And thank you. I found it much more entertaining too. Common vulgarities are just too easy. In addition to this being one of those instances where you can correctly use 'hide the salami' here are some other variations:

bang, batter, beef, bumble, blow off the loose corns, bounce the brillo, dance the buttock jig, do a dive in the dark, flimp, flurgle, foin, foraminate, futz, get one's oil changed, go bird's nesting, go like a rat up a rhododendron, go star-gazing on one's back, have a bun in the oven, have a leap up the ladder, hide the ferret, hive it, jazz it, knock it off, lay some pipe, light the lamp, lose the lamp and pocket the stake, mix one's peanut butter, palliardize, pestle, pheeze, pizzle, play cars and garages, plow, plug, plook, ram, rasp, strop one's beak, varnish one's cane, wet one's wick, and wind the clock, ....

More on the etymology of this most used word here .

BTW, there is a very shop worn copy of Slang and Euphemism at the book store where I hang. Check it out. It's loads of fun.

Ron said...

Ann said:

"Uh, Inlet, would you please show me where I said what you claim I said? You've done this before, taken things out of context and or read them wrong then turned around to make false claims about what people DIDN'T say. If you remember, some time ago, I had to ask seriously if you had problems with ADD or ADH or comprehension problems or something that would explain how you could possibly come up with your claims which you then print as "fact." Inlet, what you're doing is not, uh, helpful . . . "

They do that all the time, to me, and to you... sure seems intentional, huh?

Shark, how's this taste:

"Shark, you've said before that an out-of-town location would be much cheaper, and you've also said that you are a strong supporter of the current CSD Board..."

Ahhh, that felt good.

Anonymous said...

To anon 11:15 8/23/06:

You really have got to stop taking "Smart Pills" you are about to be assigned to a mental hospital. Eating rabbit crap is not good for your health, and certainly does not help rationality. Will you remember what you wrote tomorrow? Get a prescription for prozac.

Spectator said...

And now the Blakeslee bill is on the governers desk; yes, it passed with flying colors. Now we will have some sort of a sewer, but the county will decide, and perhaps the bleeding will stop.

I think the County will do the right thing, and make difficult decisions to avoid the consequences of fines and individual CDOs. They will work with the water board, hopefully get us a low interest loan, and reduce costs to the best of their ability, by getting grants and negotiating construction contracts.

I do not care where the sewer goes. I do care about the cost. But I have a tremendous sense of relief in that people of the nature of anon 11:15 8/23/06 will have no part of it, and OBVIOUSLY will not be heard, since they readily refuse to listen, by their own admission.

From this point onward we will be dealing with real time reality, not the past. All my past comments and those of other bloggers are now irrelevant. All the obstruction that has occured through the years for whatever reason is moot.

While the financial destruction may not be able to be undone, LOS OSOS PROPERTY OWNERS have learned a valuable lesson, and that is to participate in elections and be very informed voters.

I hope that the CCRWQCB will stop their actions immediately. There is no need for penalties, fines, CDOs, and pumping stink.

If the county builds at Tri-W so be it. If the plant stinks, file a complaint, and let the county address the problem. Same with the Ripley solution. But we need it as soon as possible and at the least cost to the property owners. Looks like Tri-W folks!

At the same time we do not need a LOCSD. I await LAFCO's decision as how to handle the dissolution.
We shall see.

This is my last post on this blog. I let the rest of you to deal with Ann, Ron, and the foul mouthed "Smart Pill" anons. Waste of time at this point!

Ahhh, that felt good!

Jon Arcuni

Anonymous said...

Ann......I'm beggin' ya.....pleeeeeeeeeease comment on the Anon 11:15 August 23 entry...pretty please....you spin and spin with the best of them, I just can't wait to see your spin on this, ah, person .......thanks!

*PG-13 said...

Spectator > From this point onward we will be dealing with real time reality, not the past. All my past comments and those of other bloggers are now irrelevant. All the obstruction that has occured through the years for whatever reason is moot. ... This is my last post on this blog. ... I let the rest of you to deal with Ann, Ron, and the foul mouthed "Smart Pill" anons.

Really? Is that because with passage of Blakeslee there is nothing more to say or do? Because you're fed up with the company? Or because you're off to Panama? Regardless, we'll all miss you. It's been real (sort of). It's been fun (sort of). And, of course, its been real fun (really). I'm sad you gotta go but please don't be a stranger. I'm pretty sure they have internet in Panama. Wishing you Bon Voyage and happy fishing. And looking forward to a report from central america. Definitely, please let us know how your Pirana is working ;-)

Shark Inlet said...

Ron ... unless it takes you 45+ minutes to write a reply in this Blog you had seen my apology to Ann before you composed your snarky entry.

Along those lines, if you would like to have a reasoned discussion let us know ... otherwise we've learned that you actualy don't care about Los Osos or the people who live here and that you would rather be right than help our community.

In any case, I bid you a good afternoon and remain hopeful that you will actually reply to some of the questions addressed to you.

Churadogs said...

Anonymoose sez:"Anonymous said...
Ann......I'm beggin' ya.....pleeeeeeeeeease comment on the Anon 11:15 August 23 entry...pretty please....you spin and spin with the best of them, I just can't wait to see your spin on this, ah, person .......thanks!

1:12 PM, August 24, 2006 "

You mean pay attention to the anonymous personage who was pitching a hissy fit like a two-year old, screaming until his face turned as blue as his words? Nooo, I think the best thing to do is ignore the tantrum and walk away. And hope he actually keeps his promise to have nothing more to do with this blog.

Churadogs said...

Jon sez:"This is my last post on this blog. I let the rest of you to deal with Ann, Ron, and the foul mouthed "Smart Pill" anons. Waste of time at this point!

Ahhh, that felt good!

Jon Arcuni "

Oh, no you don't. I expect to get reports from you on how it's going in Panama. You can't fish 24/7 and you spoke of really wonderful plans you had getting involved in the community there. We will expect reports!

Anonymous said...

ann says: "You mean pay attention to the anonymous personage who was pitching a hissy fit like a two-year old, screaming until his face turned as blue as his words? Nooo, I think the best thing to do is ignore the tantrum and walk away. And hope he actually keeps his promise to have nothing more to do with this blog.".........

sorry ann, this might not be radio free europe but, as long as it's a blog free universe, i may drop in from time to time for comic relief. by the way, my face turns red when i laugh really hard, not blue. unlike jon arcuni, i never promised i would have nothing to do with this blog. sorry. what i said was .... when it comes to recomendation on any wastewater issues regarding los osos, the advice and counsel of better, cheaper, faster, liar taxpayers watch will fall on my deaf ears....

spectator says: "This is my last post on this blog..........."

how many times has spectator said this?.......2,3,4 times?...and he just keeps coming back.....
i'm laying 4-1 that spectator posts before the weekend is out and even money it's not his last post.........any takers?(participants are excluded from wagering spectator, sorry)

shark inlet said "Sorry that I'm not using quotation marks the way you would like, Ann........."

this is the problem shark. i've been following this blog for about a year. i know and ann knows and everybody that knows, knows.............you out-of-context miss quote people and flat out make stuff up ad nauseum, ad infinitum. hell, i remember when you use to start off your posts by saying you were unbiased, impartial, and undecided and then would write three paragraphs about how tri-w was the only answer and how the new CSD sucked. i mean, don't get me wrong shark, you seem like a pretty smart guy but when you spin out of control like this it kills your creditability. i guess you must have dropped out of the karl rove "get anybody to believe anything(better, cheaper, faster) let me bend you over so i can fuck you up the ass" school of spin. anybody that knows what's going on really does know how full of shit you are. sorry. i guess your hope is that people who don't totally know what is going on will drop in and believe what you write is true. i guess i can't knock you for trying as long as you can sleep with the full knowledge that you're a mutha fucking liar. oops sorry, that just slipped out. what i meant to say was.....i guess i can't knock you for trying as long as you can sleep with the full knowledge that you're a mammy ramming, mongrel, sphincter....


anon 12:02 PM, August 24, 2006 says: "You really have got to stop taking "Smart Pills" you are about to be assigned to a mental hospital. Eating rabbit crap is not good for your health, and certainly does not help rationality. Will you remember what you wrote tomorrow? Get a prescription for prozac."

well, not only do i remember what i wrote yesterday, but i remember what i wrote two days ago. i have a great memory, 2 whole gigabytes. i can even remember what i wrote 5 months ago. since you've brought up the topic of "smart pills" and mental hospitals....
remember this classic?........

spectator said...
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spectator said...

Ok, I'm going to take Mike Green’s advise and reveal to everyone my true identity. I am..........SHARK INLET!!!!!!!!!
Want me to let you in on another little secret? i love to stick my head between my legs and kiss my own ass. Yes, it's me Shark Inlet a.k.a Spectator. Last night, a rabbit with a clock came hopping thru my house. The rabbit told me his friend with the big hat was having a tea party. The rabbit was in a hurry but invited me to join him and told me to follow this trail of "smart pills" that I have been telling you all about. I guess I was just suppose to follow them and not eat them. Oops. I was so ashamed that when I first told you about them I posted as "anonymous" and pretended I was someone else. Anyway, when I woke up this morning, I was in a straight jacket and a padded cell. Thank God they didn't get my laptop. I let the invisible cat stick it up my ass. And, yes, I'm sure it's obvious to everyone, they took away my "smart pills" when they checked me in here last night. The doctor asked me where I got them. I said, I got them from a talking rabbit with a clock that was in a big hurry. Then, the doctor told me the "pills" were rabbit shit.
I asked the doctor if I could have another one, but he wouldn't let me. I am feeling much better now. The realization and clarity of the truth was much too painful. I totally fucked over the community of Los Osos eight years ago when the County was all ready to build us a sewer. I told them "cheaper, "better", "faster". It wasn't too long after the painful guilt of this lie set in that, I started seeing talking rabbits and invisible cats.
Don't worry about me. I have a multiple personality disorder. Don't worry about my alter ego that is suffering from the withdrawal of me not taking the smart pills. The doctor took us off the smart pills but now we’re on lithium, prozac, pimozide, azt and my boyfriend Publicworks snuck me in some viagra because the toys here in the adolescent unit aren't very much fun to play with. Don't worry, we(me and the people living inside me) aren't suicidal yet. But, when I get out, I may hire someone to kill me. If you guys find out who called emergency last night to send the "white coats" will you thank them for me. While I'm in here it's going to be kind of hard to continue my campaign for a DIVIDED community via the dissolution movement. But, I'm sure all my pissed off, asshole friends will pick up the slack. They can't stand it that the community is starting to realize how badly we fucked over Los Osos. When the people start getting hit with the CDOs and do research they will find out that eight years ago the County was ready to build a sewer in Los Osos and I said NOOOOO!!! I can do it "cheaper", "better", "faster".......and after eight years all I had to present to the community was a sludge factory next to the library and across the street from the church for $205 a month????? Fuck, I'm so screwed. Does anybody know a good "hit man"?

Anonymous said...

winner, winner, chicken dinner......i told you it wouldn't take long;)

Mike Green said...

Oh crap, not namespoofing again! easy to catch, just click on the name ( sheesh!)

Anonymous said...

I'm confused. Can someone use someone else's hyperlink identity to sign on?

Anonymous said...

I got it. I clicked on the name again, and then I clicked on spectators last post and then I saw the difference. Actually, i'm a little ashamed of myself I didin't catch it the first time. I guess it just shows how easy it is to fool people.

Anonymous said...

anon 8:46 says "I guess it just shows how easy it is to fool people"

You're right. It's very easy to fool people. The folks at Taxpayers Waste are experts at it. They promised us all cheaper, better, faster in 1998 when the County was all set to build us an out of town sewer that would of cost $50-$70/ month. Boy, they sure fooled us, didn't they. After 8 years all they had to show for their promise of cheaper, better, faster was a sludge factory in the center of town for $300/month. Unfortunately, unlike playful namespoofing, the cheaper, better, faster LIE of Taxpayers Watch has cost this community millions. If it weren't for the assholes at Taxpayers Watch, we'd all be hooked up to an out-of-town sewer and be paying $50-$70/month. The economic genocide caused by the death march of Taxpayers Watch has divided and truly will destroy our community.

Anonymous said...

Hi many Anons above,

Just a few observations.

I supported the County plan in 1997. I knew then that the Solution Group, while well intended, was naive to believe that their plan would be accepted by the regulators or cost less. But by working through the process they came to understand their error, and proceeded with a plan that would bring us into compliance with the law, feasible, and funded. I understand the anger of some Anons who feel betrayed; however, what sense does it make to throw out the Tri-W project when any project that replaces it will be even more expensive. There comes a time when we have to put aside anger and go with what we have in order to come into compliance with the law. Either that or face massive fines and expensive CDO's AND a more expensive project.

Regards, Richard LeGros

Anonymous said...

WOW..........barely 24 hours and we have a few more posts from the solutions group aka taxpayers watch aka idiots on display........

anon10:18 says:"The first Board worked in good faith."

Richard Le Gross said:
"I supported the County plan in 1997.(ahemm, ahheeem,...........BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!) I knew then that the Solution Group, while well intended......"

let me see...........

"The first Board worked in good faith."
"I knew then that the Solution Group, while well intended?..."

Nice try.

We, the people of Los Osos, might of bought this sort of spin and LIES back in 1998.
Sorry. We're not as stupid as you hope we might be.
We are sick and tired of your BULLSHIT SPIN AND LIES.
And, we are not buying it anymore.........

It is very well documented that your asshole pals, that we all know now as the Solutions Group aka Taxpayers Watch, We all know now, that these FUCK WADS, who have completely screwed over our community, FULLY KNEW THAT THE CHEAPER, BETTER, FASTER PONDING SYSTEM IN THE CENTER OF OUR TOWN had already disapproved by the RWQCB. Let me make this as simple as I can possibly make it.....

In the real world(not the world of Taxpayers Waste)
If you're selling something, with the full and complete knowledge that what your selling doesn't exist, this is what we out here in the real world call LYING.
It's not called "working in good faith." it's not called "well intentions", IT'S CALLED LYING!!!!!!
Do you taxpayers watch DIPSHITS know what a bait and switch is?..........i'm sure you do.....your bait and switch cost this community MILLIONS.
I really do hate to use foul language but ......FUCK YOU, YOU MUTHA FUCKING ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anon10:18 goes on to say:"Your opinion and your method of expressing it show the fanaticism of the very few who still support this BOD. You are in the minority."

I really, really do love this one.

This was tha mantra of "Save the Dream" before the Recall Election...........
Dreamers are on record at at CSD meetings before the recall election and still today(most recently Lou Tornatzky stated at a recent parking lot CSD meeting that the community doesn't support the CSD and that it should be dissolved.....GUESS WHOSE WIFE IS RUNNING FOR A SEAT ON A GOVERNMENT BODY THAT HER HUSBAND HAS SIGNED ON TO DISSOLVE? LAUGHING MY ASS OFF.....LOU TORNATZKY SIGNED IN BLOOD, A STATEMENT OF RESOLVE TO DISSOLVE THE CSD(I HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME) I guess we know who wears the pants in this family.
From your wife and all of us.....UP YOURS LOU, YOU BIG FUCKING PUSSY!!!!!!

Now, where was I?
Oh yes, Anon10:18 goes on to say:
"Your opinion and your method of expressing it show the fanaticism of the very few who still support this BOD. You are in the minority."
Yes, I love it.
Dreamers are on record at at CSD meetings before the recall election and are still today foolishly claiming today that "the people who are agaist the TRI-W PROJECT and that support the CSD are just a handful of "obstructionists" who show up to CSD meetings........

well, there you go again, this is what you ARISTOCRATS claimed throughout the recall campaign and still claim............

Let's examine this...............

You had five times as much money as us............
You out spent us 5-1 on advertising............
You had FUCKING CAMPAIGN COMERCIALS ON THE "TODAY SHOW"!!!!!!!!!!!
and guess what?
you still lost.
in this day and age, where the "money" will win 99 out of 100 elections...........you still lost.

This truly shows how morally bankrupt the position of Taxpayers Watch is.

Richard Le Gross, you are bankrupt. You are bankrupt in every possible way known to mankind. You have bankrupted yourself. You have bankrupted our Community. And, you are morally bankrupt(How big, in your words, are your FUCKING BALLS?) You are completely BANKRUPT. I appreciate your offer of help. Thanks. But, NO THANKS!!!

Richard Le Gross goes onto say:"Regarding Taxpayer Watch. That group has filed TWO lawsuits NOT SEVEN. The CSD has filed FIVE lawsuits, and the contractors and State have cross-sued on those 5 lawsuits. Since the Recall the CSD has expended about $1,800,000 in attorneys fees. Of this amount, less than $80,000 has been used against the Taxpayer Watch lawsuits. In fact, the CSD has spent far more settling past CCLO lawsuits with their own attorneys ($450,000) than they have ever spent fighting TW. So for the CSD to blame TW for the bankruptcy is not based in reality and obviously a political red-herring."

I guess my question is this DICK.....my I call you DICK? As in DICK HEAD. Gee DICK, If you hadn't of started a project that this Community voted against, in the face of all your money and advertising, how many contractor lawsuits would there be? If you hadn't of approved a sole 50% overbid, how many contractor lawsuits would there be DICK? No, I think I'm going to stop calling you DICK. I think I shoud call you by your real name.......HOW MANY CONTRACTOR LAWSUITS WOULD THEIR BE IF YOU HAD REPRESENTED YOU COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF ACTING AGAINST THE WILL OF YOUR COMMUNITY DICK? Oh sorry, I was going to call you by your real name. It's not DICK. It's Montogomery, Watson, Harza and Barnard Construction's COCK SUCKING BUTT BOY BITCH..........
How many lawsuits would there be if you hadn't sold-out your community you COCK SUCKING BUTT BOY BITCH, DICK LE GROSS?
Call all the problems that Taxpayers Watch has caused this Community a red-herring if you want COCK SUCKING BUTT BOY BITCH, DICK LE GROSS, whatever it is, Taxpayers Watch does reek of dead fish. It's time to wrap you up with Abraham Hyatt and the Tribune and and all the flys that are attracted to you and toss you out into the garbage. I would flush you down the toilet but I don't want to pollute my ground water. Sorry.

On a last and final note........
anon10:18 said: "you have missed my point completely. (My post of 8:52 PM.).......

No. I'm sorry anon10:18, you and DICK LE GROSS have missed my point completely(anon 7:27 PM August 26, 2006 & 11:53 PM, August 26, 2006)

I will use YOUR CLICHE anon10:18am ..........
Fuck me once, shame on Taxpayers Watch. Fuck me twice, shame on me.
My point is, that it was the VERY BAD decisions of the Solutions Group aka Taxpayers Watch, in good faith or bad, that led to the mess we are in right now. Which is it? Were they LYING TO US or DID THEY JUST FUCK-UP REALLY, REALLY BAD? It's one or the other. EITHER TAXPAYERS WATCH ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING LIARS OR THEY ARE INCOMPETENT and screwed us out of the 1998 County plan. If it weren't for their BAD DECISIONS we would all be hooked up to the 1998 out-of-town County plan and be paying $50-$70/ month.
Even Dick Head Le Gross and anon10:18 agree with me on this....good faith or bad these folks fucked-up big time......

p.s.
you want to play the "last word freak" game? Let's see who has, in your words, the biggest FUCKING BALLS.
It's your serve, Dipshit.......

Anonymous said...

Anon 12:57 above,

See a psychiatrist. You are ill.

Richard LeGros

Anonymous said...

nice comeback.
guess everything I said was true.
you know everything I said is true.
the facts speak for themselves.
haven't you done enough damage to this community?

eat shit and die asshole.

Anonymous said...

Anon 5:40,

You need immediate medical help.

The 24 hour telephone number for County Mental Health is 1-800-838-1381. Please call them.

Richard LeGros

Anonymous said...

Like I said, Richard Le Gross can't dispute the facts.
Another confirmation that everything I said IS true. Thanks, Dick.

p.s. How interesting that you have the number to County Mental Health so handy. I bet you carry it around in your wallet just in case..........Right?
Probably for those times in plublic places and forums when you fell the need to scream out into a microphone, no less at public meetings, and let everyone at the meeting and watching at home on T.V. (including women and children) know that you have FUCKING BALLS!!!!!. And you say I need medical help?
Well, I guess, I am just glad you have that number.
Next time you're at the grocery store, or in the park, or sitting in church and you feel the need to scream out "I HAVE FUCKING BALLS!!!". Just make sure you call that number to County Mental Health that you carry around in your wallet. One last question Richard, I mean DICK. Ever wonder why YOU were the biggest winner, I mean LOSER, in last years recall election. If you're not sure, just call those people at County Mental Health. I'm sure they can explain it to you. Regarding you cost analysis for tri-w......did you crunch those numbers when you were recovering in the nut house?