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Thursday, April 19, 2007

More Pet Food Recalls.

This email from a friend. It seems that more pet foods are being recalled as being tainted, so it ain’t over yet. If you have pets you’d better keep checking the FDA’s website for the updated lists. This new recall is especially disturbing since the Natural Balance foods are considered “specialty” foods often used by old, sick or autoimmune dogs who can’t eat “regular” foods. Next question, Did that contaminated wheat gluten end up in human food? Stay tuned.

As you know, a few days ago I sent a message to your blog that I got from D.E.L.T.A. Rescue saying Leo Grillo had been in touch with the Natural Balance people and that they had assured him that their food was tested by them and was safe. I just looked at today's USA Today Money section and its top story was a recall of Natural Balance pet food. Apparently the same ingredient that has contaminated the wheat gluten in Menu pet food products, melamine, has turned up in some of Natural Balance's food in a rice protein concentrate used in the Venison and Natural Brown Rice canned and dry dog foods, dog treats, and Venison and Green Pea dry cat food. The rice protein is mixed with venison meal. Natural Balance has received about 10 reports of sick pets, mostly dogs, since Thursday...some of the pets developed kidney failure. Apparently it was a new ingredient they had begun adding to those particular pet food products. I would just want to be sure your blog readers know this as soon as possible.

Yes, Virginia, Staying Involved & In The Loop Actually DOES Mean Something in The Hideous Sewer Wars.

Over at Ron Crawford’s blogsite (http://www.sewerwatch.blogspot.com/) Ron’s taking credit in his humorous TAC-wars for the County’s TAC changing direction and now including the Tri-W plans in the fine screening process. Before, they were simply going to get a pass as a “given.”

It’s certainly possible that Ron’s email to the TAC on this issue brought about the change. It’s also equally clear that the change came as a result of other community members attending last Monday’s PZLDF meeting to bring up that very topic with guest speaker, Supervisor Bruce Gibson, and those who attended Tuesday’s first Los Osos TAC public input meeting, where it was brought up several times by citizens who made their concerns known to the committee. In short, what happened to change the process somewhat was the result of citizens staying involved, staying in the loop, offering feedback and criticisms and ideas, which is part of the Process and is why I keep nagging folks to stop complaining to this blogsite and go attend a meeting or contact the various people in charge of this project directly.

If the Process is working right, input really is important. The members of the TAC are not Gods. They have an enormous pile on their plate, so if they’re overlooking something important, or there's a problem with GIGO, (wrong data), they rely on you, Dear and Gentle Citizen, to help bring it to their attention for consideration. So, please, attend as many meetings as you can, keep up with the printed material as best you can, offer any ideas you feel are important. Your attention will see that the Process works properly.

The next Los Osos public TAC meeting is scheduled for April 24 at 7:30 pm. in the South Bay Community Center. The area they’ll be covering will include Finance. Then on Tuesday, May 1 at 7 pm., also at the SBCC, they’ll be covering Environmental issues. Please plan to attend.

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ann,

Ron Crawford is wrong in his contention that he is responsible for the County planning to include the Tri-W project in its fine screening analysis. It has always been my understanding that for obvious reasons it was not going to be reviewed in the rough screening, but would be covered in the later stages, including the TAC's pros/cons analysis.

Crawford is a witty writer, who is a clear detriment to the success of a badly needed project. I believe that both the County staff, the Board of Supervisors, and the TAC members are all making a sincere effort to do the best process that they can for the good of the community and Crawfords's attempts to undermine the credibility of everyone involved is counterproductive.

And you are enabling him to do so.

Anonymous said...

Crawford has no dog in this fight, let him stay out of it. It is just fun and games for him, he has nothing to lose except the display of his ego.

Churadogs said...

Anonymous sez:"Crawford is a witty writer, who is a clear detriment to the success of a badly needed project. I believe that both the County staff, the Board of Supervisors, and the TAC members are all making a sincere effort to do the best process that they can for the good of the community and Crawfords's attempts to undermine the credibility of everyone involved is counterproductive.

And you are enabling him to do so."

Oh, Plueeeze. Ron is a witty writer who also regularly points out and posts documentary evidence to support his many claims that the Emperor Had No Clothes. He's also been quick to point out potential Rocks In The Road that people better pay attention to lest this train crash again. Indeed, if people HAD BEEN paying attention to Ron way back when, it's posible that the regulatory agencies would have done their jobs properly, or as Ron slyly put it, Regulators exist to PREVENT things like Los Osos[from happening.]

That you think he or I have any influence on the Sewer Wars is flattering but clearly off the mark. (see above) I learned long ago (from writing extensively about the Hideous SLO School Board) that you can stand and ring alarm bells forever and NOBODY pays the slightest bit of attention. Ditto with the Hideous Sewer Wars.

Anonymous sez:"Crawford has no dog in this fight, let him stay out of it. It is just fun and games for him, he has nothing to lose except the display of his ego."

Oh, my, my So many "Anonymice" posting their comments. Where do these Anonymice live? Gosh, we don't know. How many of them have dogs in this fight? Gosh we don't know that either. Does that keep them from posting? Nope

Ron's been following this sad tale since he was editor of the Bay News. What people need to do is pay closer attention to the message, and less attention to where the messanger lives. ssenger.

Shark Inlet said...

Yes, Ron is good at pointing out some possible bumps in the road ... but he's amazingly good at ignoring other bumps that others have pointed out. In fact, Ron has gone so far as to deny the bumps even after we've hit them and the car's been damaged beyond repair.

Consider that Ron has not yet admitted that there has been a downside to the Recall. Even though he might think bankruptcy is a small price to pay to get the plant moved out of town, the LOCSD has lost control of the project and now is deep in debt. Others pointed out that this was the likely impact of the recall, stopping the project and trying to use the SRF money for other purposes.

If Ron would just be fair or balanced it would be a nice change. Instead he's simply an advocate for one position ... move the sewer at all costs.

Sad, really, that someone with such insight could sell out so completely.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Inlet,

All I can say is, look who's talking!

Anonymous said...

Anon above, you make no sense.

Anonymous said...

Couldn't disagree with you more Ann. I think the most galling aspect of this whole sewer fiasco is the presense of people who have no financial interest, and hence nothing to lose, interjecting themselves ad nausium into the process. Crawford is just one example. When I see David Dugan present at every possible meeting related to the sewer (Ah to have such time on my hands!!), knowing he is a renter but opining how MY assessment money should be spent is outrageous to me. Worse yet is Richard Margetson, who is present at all meetings, the TAC included, and who lives in Cayucos for God's sake. Seeing him at these meetings opining how MY assessment money should be spent is incredibly appalling. These people have absolutely nothing to lose by delay, and their presence sickens me.

No Ann. Crawford's not in this for the good of Los Osos. As an example, if Tri-W passed the fine screening, the homeowners passed a 218 vote, then picked Tri-W on their advisroy vote because it proved to be the cheapest route to go, Crawford would do everything in his power to still continue to obstruct and delay. This is a "woman thing" for him, plain and simple. And like Dugan, and Margetson, and Perlman, et.al., he has absolutely nothing to lose by continuing his game of delay and obstruction. So it most certainly DOES matter that he, along with others, are not part of the community of PZ homeowners.

Anonymous said...

I absolutely agree, Anon 1:08!

Shark Inlet said...

To our anonymous friend of 11:55am ...

I presume from your cryptic comment that you think I've been wrong. Fair enough. I would like to suggest that in the past I was pretty clear when I said that voting for the Recall was pretty much a vote to raise our costs. Do you think I'm wrong on that issue?

*pg-13 said...

Anon > Anon above, you make no sense.

I think what Anon above is saying and which you didn't catch is that damn near everybody has staked out a position on the sewer. And from that position it is all too easy to say that others are 'amazingly good at ignoring other bumps that others have pointed out' or go 'so far as to deny the bumps' or perhaps 'has not yet admitted that there has been a downside' to any specific action or turn in the road. Geesh! Who here among us doesn't cop a bit to that role? Ron does his dance. Shark Inlet does his dance. Ann does her dance. I do my dance. And many anonymice do whatever boogaloo they feel like doing.

Shark Inlet > If Ron would just be fair or balanced it would be a nice change. Instead he's simply an advocate for one position ...

Uh, yeah. And so ..... what?

I hear ya. I gotta admit Ron screeches and repeats himself like a broken record sometimes. But no more so than any others. And, pray tell, what is 'fair or balanced' here? Your fair is my unbalanced. My fair you take issue with. That's cool. That's the dance. I appreciate where Shark's coming from. I appreciate where Ann's coming from. And < gulp > I appreciate where Ron's coming from. I don't necessarily agree with them. But they all bring value to the scene.

Of course, if it goes against your beliefs you probably question that value. Wouldn't it be soooooo much easier if just everybody agreed with me? Dang, just give me the keys and let me drive the bus. I'll save us all! ..... but this too is the process through which wiser decisions are forged. Its not easy. Its seldom fast. And its never comforting. It is what it is.

> Sad, really, that someone with such insight could sell out so completely.

And this too is fair. Not necessarily correct but fair. A little name calling, some chastising, a bit of slamming is appropriate. Me? I think there have been bigger sell outs than Ron. I give you any of the CSD's. I give you the RWQCB. I give you ..... ahh the list is just too long. Selling out implies hedging against a previously stated position. I see no sell out in Ron. He's been what he is - whatever you may think of it - from the get-go. You may take issue with What he says but he has held to that consistently and has certainly not sold-out.

Regarding another anon who thinks only those paying taxes in Los Osos should get to speak at the table. Well, yes, I can see your point. Sort of. Presumably and ultimately only those actually paying will get to vote in the 218. (Which raises that other sticky point about renters-not-owners casting the votes. (sigh) Who writes these crazy rules anyway?) I don't disagree with you. Indeed I tend to agree with you. But when I walk along the shore of Morro Bay and gaze out across the waters I don't see Los Osos. I see the dunes. Which, as a state park, is - in my opinion - only marginally represented by the state government. Thankfully its better represented than the dunes in Oceano but that is a temporal distinction of happenstance and not a class distinction. I see Morro Bay. Another town with sewer problems. I daresay their problems are even bigger than ours. The state just hasn't recognized it as such. I truly wish their issues were being addressed simultaneously and in some kind of conjunction with Los Osos' issues. And around the corner of the coast - out of sight but seldom out of my mind - is the nuke. So, uh, where do you draw the line? And then I see the birds and know the other unseen flora and fauna below the water know nothing of Los Osos and whatever boundary lines we may think we are imposing on the earth. Sorry. I gotta suggest the table stay open. Anybody who has something to say should not only get the opportunity to say it. It is their responsibility to express their concerns and their dreams. Yeah, that means somebody from New Jersey (heaven forbid), or Bangladesh or the planet Zirconia can also step up and give their input. Its messy. Its not perfect. But that's just the way it is. And, if the process and the systems work (snicker) we'll come up with a solution our grand-children can live with.

Anonymous said...

Sorry PG, but giving "constructive input," and giving misleading statements; outright lies; making threats; seeking lawsuits; etc.etc. etc. all at the expense of time, which means delay which equals money out of my pocket each and every day, are two entirely different things.

Anonymous said...

To the anon above. Maybe the Tri-W project stopped because it was an outright awful project and should have been stopped. Maybe the Tri-W shouldn't have ever started.

People on both sides of the fence have lied and have given misleading statements. Don't kid yourself. YOU WOULD be lying if you say both sides haven't lied and mislead.

Stop being such a hypocrite!

Anonymous said...

Maybe Tri-W was the RIGHT PROJECT that was sabotaged by a vocal campaign of outright lies!!!

The system was state of the art and would be more than half completed right now were it not for the lies and the criminal actions of the Lisa Board!

Explain how the costs will be less in the future from all the damn delays!

Anonymous said...

Ron Crawford, despite Ann's allegiange to him, is not a resident, not anyone who really has a "dog in the fight."

Ann, why can't you acknowledge this? Those of us who post as anonymous are doing so because of the nasty folk that abound in Los Osos. We feel threatened by the thugs and imported muscle that are at meetings, and, if we ever posted our names we would be sticking out our necks to a degree that we could not tolerate.

Please know that myself, and others who post as anonymous do so because we want our voices heard but do not want the thugs taking their vengeance out on us.

Please post this, I represent many.

Thank you,

Anonymous said...

Ann, it is time for you to take on the thugs in the back of the room or are you afraid of them also? They have made the CSD meetings worthless as a public forum. Even Chuck is afraid to actually silence them by requiring them to sit in a respectable audience. He's not about to have them escorted out and the doors closed to their badgering. My wife and I won't go back into the very real danger of those threatening folks. If you want to do a real public service, you will do a piece and name them.

Churadogs said...

Anonymous sez:"Worse yet is Richard Margetson, who is present at all meetings, the TAC included, and who lives in Cayucos for God's sake. Seeing him at these meetings opining how MY assessment money should be spent is incredibly appalling. "

Uh, wasn't it Margetson's detailed work on the fire assessment that resulted in the voters having a chance to vote in a new system with CDF that got us the same bang for a cheaper buck? And I believe it's Margetson who kept pointing out that the water rates were wrong, been set wrong by the previous Board, and need fixing to cover repair costs? Hopefully, if the rates are set right, we'll all benefit. And now, Margetson's coming to the TAC to state that according to the corrected water use rates, the TAC is using the WRONG water consumption numbers and would they please get the right numbers since accurate water use will have an enormous impact on the cost of the sewer (the old GIGO problem) And so forth. Seems to me, Margetson's actually number crunching and forcing the powers that be to pay attention to the numbers. And you think this is a bad thing? I sure don't. It's especially troubling that we're still apparently unsure of an (historical)accurate water use rate, since that's critical to the county's wasteWATER project.

anonymous sez:"No Ann. Crawford's not in this for the good of Los Osos. As an example, if Tri-W passed the fine screening, the homeowners passed a 218 vote, then picked Tri-W on their advisroy vote because it proved to be the cheapest route to go, Crawford would do everything in his power to still continue to obstruct and delay."

This is interesting. At the recent Monday night TAC public input meeting, Mr. Beardon stated publicly that if the TAC and county decided on [and the voters decided on a STEP system,] he'd do everything in his power, including filing lawsuits & etc, to stop the project. And Mr. Beardon is a homeowner who lives in the PZ. It appears that stopping a particular project by any means necessary isn't limited to people who live outside the PZ or who are "renters" & etc.

anonymous sez:"We feel threatened by the thugs and imported muscle that are at meetings, and, if we ever posted our names we would be sticking out our necks to a degree that we could not tolerate.

Please know that myself, and others who post as anonymous do so because we want our voices heard but do not want the thugs taking their vengeance out on us."

Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You need to explain to us exactly what you mean by "taking their vengeance out on us." What us? What vengeance? When? Did someone burn a cross on your lawn? Toilet paper your house? Were morter rounds flying into your livingroom after you returned from a CSD meeting where you spoke? EXACTLY what are you talking about?

If you are afraid to participate in the most local forms of your government, then you don't deserve to live in a democracy. If you lack the courage to attend even a good old fashioned Yankee Town Hall Meeting, then you don't deserve to live in a democracy. If you fear even attending an informational meeting called in order to get public input, then give your input and listen to other people's input, then you don't deserve to live in a democracy. Living in a democracy, making a democracy work, requires ADULT CITIZENS, not fearful Anonymice cowering in their homes, or hiding behind anonymous postings on a blogsite.

Instead, consider Mr. Beardon, mentioned above. He has attended numerous CSD meetings and spoken at numerous public comment periods. Some of the sillier folks in the audience have rolled their eyes and made rude hissy noises. So what? It's the old game of Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers. Mr. Beardon himself plays that theatrical game very well himself, skillfully lobbing rhetorical questions for the camera, then quickly leaving the meeting before any answers can be forthcoming. It's theatre, which Mr. Beardon understands very well and is good at.

As for other game-players, Mr. Beardon is an ADULT and knows, for example, that the hissers are behaving like stupid children and like children, are to be ignored utterly. Mr. Beardon speaks his mind at a public input meetings to the TAC. Mr. Beardon has the integrity to put his name and face to his opinions and ideas and claim each and every one. And share those ideas with other members of the community. Mr. Beardon, as an ADULT, knows that in the marketplace of ideas, there will always be a tussle, not a teaparty. It's part of the rough and tumble of a democracy, a right to be heard that a whole lot of people have died to make possible. Their enormous courage only demands from us a very modest courage to participate in our government as Adults & Citizens, not frightened children.

And so, here's what I say to Mr. Beardon:

HOORAY FOR YOU!!!! Now, there's a Citizen!

And to you, Anonymice cowering in your home, fearful of attending a CSD meeting, or a TAC meeting, or any public meeting, professing terror of some "thugs" tracking you down because you dared express an opinion or ask a question at a local meeting, living in terror of a tiny handful of childish nincompoops who too often behave badly in public (like children who pick their noses in public to shock their parents?) I can only say, I think you need to take a closer look at your professed "fear" because it simply doesn't match "reality." Clearly, something else is going on with you, that has nothing to do with CSD meetings or children blowing rasberries in the back of the room.

Anonymous said...

Churadogs,

Regarding the issue of the unruly and intimidating presence of some community members at the CSD meetings, I have two primary thoughts: (1)they are not your responsibility, their actions are the responsibility of the CSD Board, which needs to do a better job in that regard: and (2) if you are going to address the issue, then address it--your comments above were very weak and totally avoided the issue. I am sure that if the same thing was occurring at a County Board of Supervisors meeting, or a TAC meeting, you would be very critical in this blog.

Mike Green said...

Well put Ann! Kudos.

Churadogs said...

anonymous sez:
"1)they are not your responsibility, their actions are the responsibility of the CSD Board, which needs to do a better job in that regard: and (2) if you are going to address the issue, then address it--your comments above were very weak and totally avoided the issue. I am sure that if the same thing was occurring at a County Board of Supervisors meeting, or a TAC meeting, you would be very critical in this blog."

To which I say:

1. I agree
2. "the same thing" IS "occurring at a County Board of Supervisors meeting, or a TAC meeting." The same thing has occurred at Hideous School board meetings and City Council Meetings. IT'S PAR FOR THE COURSE, people behaving like jerks. Comes with the territory. Have you forgotten the recent dust up when one of the BOS folks asked Mr. Duggan to leave the meeting and everyone huffed and puffed, but not me because Mr. Duggan was not following the rules and had to be spanked.

Next question up is this: Are the anonymice who claim to be cowering in fear simply UNAWARE that such verbal tussling and often childish rude behavior and public theatre at public meetings is NORMAL? If not, then they need to get out more. Go to more meetings, especially when the topic is a doozie and tempers are roiling.

Board members and city council members have a very tough row to hoe. If they cherish the right of the citizen to speak to his/her government, then they will do everything in their power to see that citizens can speak, even if they're being jerks. But they do have to maintain order and some sort of decorum, though that often is a grey area since under Brown Act rules, if you want to go to the podium and sing at the top of your lungs for 3 minutes, you have a right to do that, unless the rules of the meeting are specifically posted as to forbid singing, or maybe singing off key or something, even then, sans profanity or direct threats or hurling chairs, I'm sure you'd be allowed, under law.

To which I say, Hooray. Let's have more singing at the podium. And to those folks cowering at home because they don't like singing, they need to get over themselves and take a real look at their own "fear factors" that have them so scared when the reality simply doesn't match their fear.

Anonymous said...

What a wonderful tactic. I recall many nights where Lisa and Julie scripted just such bull $hit to obstruct and disrupt the prior Boards. What you are saying Ann dearie, is that those objecting to this current CSD should line up and do the same. Lies and indirect threats are perfectly acceptible and apparently legal. What more proof is needed to show Los Osos has no self control or ability to provide local government!

Keep up the cheer leading you old crone! You will be incouraging meetings of old. Of course that was part of "the Plan" to "Move the Sewer". Nothing more than obstructiona nd delays to make the sewer the most expensive ever seen in the free world.

4crapkiller said...

Maybe Ann is correct and we should all attend meetings with golf clubs and baseball bats. Or at least make sure our big strong male kids come as body guards.

However, it will be shortly all over. The LOCSD is insolvent, will have to be dissolved, and there is absolutely nothing we can do to stop this except to asess ourselves and give them more money to spend on their lawyer cronies. No matter what anyone gets up and says, four of the board will not listen. They are commited to the destruction of the LOCSD, and have been from the beginning. They have chosen death before Tri-W!

Not this old lady!

Ron said...

Let's see, here. Who was right and who was wrong:

Anon:

"It has always been my understanding that for obvious reasons it was not going to be reviewed in the rough screening, but would be covered in the later stages..."

That's wrong. In the Rough Screening Report it says: "Tri-W will be carried through fine screening process..."

"Crawford is a witty writer..."

That's right.

"... who is a clear detriment to the success of a badly needed project."

That's wrong. I'm a clear detriment to a badly DESIGNED project.

"Crawfords's attempts to undermine the credibility of everyone involved is counterproductive."

That's wrong. A lot of really smart wastewater experts agree with me, and I with them.

"Crawford has no dog in this fight..."

That's right, and that's exactly what Los Osos needs -- people that are knowledgeable with the story, and have no dog in the fight.

Ann wrote:

"if people HAD BEEN paying attention to Ron way back when, it's posible that the regulatory agencies would have done their jobs properly"

That's 100-percent right.

"Ron's been following this sad tale since he was editor of the Bay News."

That's incorrect. I've been covering this story since I was hired as a reporter for the Bay News in 1990. I was later hired as editor of the Bay Breeze/News from 1996 - 1999, where I started the original SewerWatch.

"What people need to do is pay closer attention to the message, and less attention to where the messanger lives."

That is exactly right.

Shark:

"Instead he's simply an advocate for one position ... move the sewer at all costs."

Of course, that's wrong. I don't advocate a damn thing. Tri-W will never work. That's not advocating, that's attempting to avert disaster in a town I know and love.

Anon:

" I think the most galling aspect of this whole sewer fiasco is the presense of people who have no financial interest, and hence nothing to lose..."

That's wrong on a lot of levels. If someone lives in this state, nay, in this country, then they already have a financial stake in Los Osos... to the tune of multi-millions of "bait and switchy" dollars.

Plus, if your journalists have a financial interest in Los Osos, you end up with, well, Bill Morem.

"if Tri-W passed the fine screening, the homeowners passed a 218 vote, then picked Tri-W on their advisroy vote"

And if my aunt had a package, she would be my uncle.

Anon:

"I absolutely agree, Anon 1:08!"

That's wrong.

PG-13:

"Ron does his dance."

That's right. After I few beers, I do a wicked white-boy version of the "Running Man." Funny stuff.

"I gotta admit Ron screeches and repeats himself like a broken record sometimes."

That's right. I'm a big fan of repetition, or else nothing will ever get traction... ever.

"I see no sell out in Ron."

That is right. (PG, you should start your own blog. I'd bookmark it. You're a very good writer.)

Anon:

"Maybe the Tri-W project stopped because it was an outright awful project and should have been stopped. Maybe the Tri-W shouldn't have ever started."

That is right.

"Maybe Tri-W was the RIGHT PROJECT that was sabotaged by a vocal campaign of outright lies!!!"

That is wrong.

"The system was state of the art and would be more than half completed right now..."

That is wrong. Tri-W will never work. (And if you want to see me proven right, again, then get it re-started and you'll find out the hard way.)

Anon:

"Ron Crawford, despite Ann's allegiange to him, is not a resident, not anyone who really has a "dog in the fight."

That is right, as I have mentioned over, and over, and over again.

Ann:

"Uh, wasn't it Margetson's detailed work on the fire assessment that resulted in the voters having a chance to vote in a new system with CDF that got us the same bang for a cheaper buck? "

That is right.

"Living in a democracy, making a democracy work, requires ADULT CITIZENS, not fearful Anonymice cowering in their homes, or hiding behind anonymous postings on a blogsite."

That is right.

"And so, here's what I say to Mr. Beardon:
HOORAY FOR YOU!!!! Now, there's a Citizen! "


That is right.

"Mr. Duggan was not following the rules and had to be spanked."

I'm not too sure on that one. He wanted to talk about the CDOs, and that has nothing to do with the construction of a sewer, and it wasn't on that day's agenda. If people can talk about genetically modified corn at the public comment period, then why can't Duggan talk about the Regional Water Quality Control Board at the public comment period? What if Duggan wanted to talk about the streets in Los Osos? Hey, those have to be ripped up for a sewer, so, he also can't talk about that in the morning public comment period? If anything, Lenthall needs to clarify that policy. I'm not convinced Duggan was wrong there. He had a good argument.

"Are the anonymice who claim to be cowering in fear simply UNAWARE that such verbal tussling and often childish rude behavior and public theatre at public meetings is NORMAL? If not, then they need to get out more"

Or watch how the British go about their public business. They make CSD meetings seem downright tame.

4Crap:

"Maybe Ann is correct and we should all attend meetings with golf clubs and baseball bats."

That's wrong. She never said, or even implied, that. But you should all attend the meetings.

Shark Inlet said...

Ron quoted my comment about him: "Instead he's simply an advocate for one position ... move the sewer at all costs."

Then spewed: "Of course, that's wrong. I don't advocate a damn thing. Tri-W will never work. That's not advocating, that's attempting to avert disaster in a town I know and love."

Um ... Ron ... that's a distinction without a difference.

Hell yes you're advocating to stop TriW. The sad thing about your comment (above) is that you don't seem to recognize this.

Anonymous said...

Shredder?!?!

Anonymous said...

Dearest Ronnie, you would be welcome on Castro Street in San Francisco, maybe you could know and love Union Square, but you'll never know Los Osos.

Churadogs said...

Ron sez:"That is right. (PG, you should start your own blog. I'd bookmark it. You're a very good writer.)"

Amen to that. Some of the more interesting, thoughtful and well written pieces come from good old PG-13. Thanks! He helps keep the level of discourse out of the . . . sewer.

Ron sez;"Lenthall needs to clarify that policy. I'm not convinced Duggan was wrong there. He had a good argument."

Have to agree. As commentors on this blog illustrate, you can't talk about ANYTHHING without it veering off into the sewer within a few keystrokes. So, it's boaund to be a grey area. The CDO's are joined at the hip with the . . . SEWER. Streets are joined at the hip with . . . right, SEWER. It's hard to know when discussing anything about Los Osos won't veer off into the. . . sewer. So, good luck to Mr. Lenthal.

Anonymous said...

Personal opinion:
Government is the manifestion of people's desire for order. Government protects us from ourselves and vice versa. It's an ongoing process and is only as good as the thought we put into it.
The process is defined by our ability to understand how it has come to be from a historical perspective.
I don't mean 10 or 20 years ago but 100 years ago. We are the product of the government as it was.
What is our legacy determined to be? What are we willing to do to determine the future without undermining what needs to happen right now?
Sincerely,
Maria M. Kelly