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Wednesday, April 08, 2009

Chugga-Chugga, Toot-Toot

Elvis has left the building. The train has pulled out of the station. If you didn’t speak your peace at the Board of Supervisors’ “Oh Gawd, It’s Let’s Talk About Los Osos Time” yesterday, you will now forever hold your peace.

Yes, yes, I know, you’re free to show up at the Planning Commission on April 28 & 30th, and also the Coastal Commission whenever they meet and the RWQCB hearings & etc. and make all the comments you want, but if you wanted to ensure that Assemblyman Sam Blakeslee’s promise to bring to the community “fully vetted projects with real costs for an advisory vote,” (i.e. a gravity project and an “alternative” project) you’re outta luck. Not gonna happen. Was never gonna happen. Noel King spilled the beans from day one, even before the TAC was getting under way, by sending a clear signal that the county was going to build a gravity project, end of sentence.

Yes, I know, everyone tried to pooh-pooh and gloss over his remarks, heh-heh, and the County invested enormous amounts of time and money in the very public activities of the TAC, (with my deepest thanks to all those volunteer community members who served those bazillions of hours), but anyone who knew this game also knew what Mr. King’s “signal” meant: Big Dog Rules.

Happily, the system picked coincided with what the majority of those who returned the community survey wanted, indeed were willing to pay $49.99 MORE for – a gravity system with the treatment plant out of town. And as for Mr. Blakeslee’s promise? Well, politicians say many things in the course of getting legislation passed and communities pacified enough for legislation to get passed, and Mr. Blakeslee was nowhere to be seen at yesterday’s BOS meeting.

So, the short list going for RFPs remains short, no STEP firms need apply, bye-bye. The project, just like Mr. King said, will be a gravity system, and the “design-build” parameters will be carefully laid out, so bets, for those so inclined, can now be laid as to who gets what and what will or will not be allowed. And we’ll surely see what will be added to the mix when the Planning Commission [ next meeting April 23, 8:45 in BOS chambers] and the Coastal Commission and the RWQCB weighs in. Certainly, tertiary treated, Title 22 & etc. water is clearly on the radar, as is some sort of possible hybrid/sealed/vacuum system down by the bay and in other high-water areas, maybe.

And, of course, we’ll have to wait to see what Fish and Wildlife has on the map. That’s likely when the elephants will start to dance and at that point, we Los Osos mice had better be afraid, be very afraid.

So, once again with all things sewerish, stay tuned.

53 comments:

Watershed Mark said...

Interesting that "vacuum" wasn't studied or mentioned in the County's Tech Memo’s, DEIR or their RFP, but is now all of a sudden on the radar.

Looks like a precedent setting event to me for “best price” USBF™ tertiary with external membrane for $7.4/gallon and the "lowest" energy use of anything that was studied, DEIR'd and RFP'd.

Watershed Mark said...

“While our consumptive use of the Colorado River is just below 270,000 acre-feet—because we bring back to Lake Mead about 230,000 acre-feet—we can actually withdraw nearly 500,000 acre-feet per year,” he adds. “This is the power of reclamation and reuse of water, and is something only Las Vegas is doing on this scale. It dramatically stretches the water supply by pretty much taking all indoor use and swimming pools—except for evaporation, which we try to beat with pool covers—out of the equation.”


Water is a special world.

GVD said...

Would anyone be surprised if the county tried to build the sewer at Tri W site ? I wouldn't.

GetRealOsos said...

GVD,

Looks like that's the plan.

Gibson/Paavo team will say, "don't blame us, we tried for out of town, blame the CC, sue them..."

All those millions of dollars spent for a very bad preferred project. 640 acres, spraying 2/3's of the water away. Gee. Did they pick a bad plan so it would all revert back to Tri-W and make Tri-W look good! Gee,

After all, Mark H., said from the beginning how lucky we were to have the plans and that Tri-W would be the quickest....health and safety you know...

Wasn't it Shirley B., who appointed Gibson to be Planning Commissioner? Hasn't Shirley been 100% Tri-W from day one? Wasn't the TAC almost made up entirely of Tri-W supporters?

Hasn't Shark been harping forever on $50 less for in town?

Yep, could have all been a very clever set up for Tri-W.

Shark Inlet said...

Mark,

Didn't you read Ann's comments today? She said that if you didn't actually show up at the supervisor's meeting you should hold your tongue. You weren't there. Zip it!

You are right about one thing. Water is a key resource. That is why Phoenix (and for you ... because you're special, I'm providing a clarification that no one else needs ... for everyone outside the Phoenix TV viewing area, they mean Phoenix metro area when they write or say "Phoenix" with very few exceptions) is going through such great efforts to correct their overuse of their aquifers by recharging them to bring them out of a state of overdraft.

Shark Inlet said...

GetReal ...

I've only really been focusing recently on the $50 difference between TriW and out of town because one particular "journalist" takes credit for saving us money at the same time that the costs are going up by $50. Sounds like a pretty weak set of journalism skills to me. Maybe there is something else we could look at to see if he's any good. He's been telling us forever that the CCC is pissed at the TriW site and that they'll never ever ever let a wastewater treatment plant be built there (because, after all, some guy named Steve who doesn't even work at the CCC anymore said it once in an off-the-record e-mail to some other guy). The recent CCC letter to the County makes our "journalist" friend look pretty sloppy. Oops!




More seriously, I don't know that going with TriW will save any money.

The thing is already designed (a plus) and will be quicker to get permitted (a plus) and the fact that there has already been a whole bunch of lawsuits over the matter ... all resolved in a way which would have allowed TriW ... makes future lawsuits likely fewer and quicker to resolve (a plus).

On the negative sign ... the community survey says that people don't prefer the site, there is likely to be large opposition to the site and the costs will likely include odor scrubbing and a park.

I think that if the CCC wants to force the issue, they could. I suspect that if the County really wanted to push for out of town, they could convince the CCC.

The real questions are when could it be done and how much would it cost? I suspect that arguing for out of town at all costs would be silly ... because the survey says that people favor cheaper over "away from homes" and I suspect that arguing for TriW would also be a mistake because of the history of the past project.


I rather doubt your suggestion that they chose the worst possible out of town plan just to make TriW look attractive by comparison.

Unknown said...

The Tri-W Design did have odor scrubbing... AND it had a Park...!!!

Tri-W is sounding better every day...!!!!

BTW.... Since TW paid LAFCo, don't you think it's time that PZLDF came clean...??? Maybe an "investigative reporter" should look into that scam... Oh, I'm sorry, I should have directed that to the Tribune....

Watershed Mark said...

Steve,
Phoenix is NOT in over draft.

When did you become Ann's cheerleader?

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

I'd bet that the County considered being be fair to the Clark Valley Road people, in the same way that they were fair to the people who don't want it in town - hence Tonini came out the preferred site. Also, less chance of a lawsuit out there.

There are just so FEW places to put a plant. What spot do you think is BETTER, GetReal - or are you still "no-sewer?" EASY to dis something, but if you can't make a suggestion that is better, I can't take your comment seriously.

Watershed Mark said...

Lynette,

I will stop asking questions when they are answered.

-Can you please point us to the County Low Pressure Collection Tech Memo that contains detailed the Vacuum collection information you are quoting from?
-Why wasn’t Vacuum Collection reviewed, studied or reported on in the County’s process?
-Why are you trying to spin on it now all by yourself with no county documentation to back you up?
-Why are you trying so hard to bury Los Osos?
-When are we going to hear more about Mr. Dean "I forgot his last name”? This question is of particular importance as it speaks directly to your lack of integrity. If you “made it up” or lied, why not admit it, so you can be forgiven?

Unknown said...

hahaha... got a kick out of sweet Julie's wanderings about Tonini's land... but that's in line with her personal agenda of not wanting any sewer, anywhere in Los Osos...

It appears the circus has broken down and now it's every clown, troll and cheerleader for themselves... Next up... the TW lawsuit to bring the CSD5 to full community accountablity and financial restitution...

...maybe PZLDF will pay their fair (75% = $320,000) before they have to be taken to court (or IRS Audit)...????

Shark Inlet said...

Mark,

If Phoenix is not in overdraft, why the requirement to recharge their aquifer to take the CAP water? If Phoenix is not in overdraft, why does the Arizona DWR website say so? If all you're gonna do is point out that you define Phoenix differently than the rest of us it certainly you should stop harranging 'Toons for her offense until you can fashion an apology yourself.

Questions, such as you ask ... if they were asked by someone with integrity and relevant facts would be welcomed. By you they are a distraction and worth ignoring.

Shark Inlet said...

Mike,

On the PZLDF/LOCSD/Sullivan thing ... I think that it is far more likely that Sullivan and PZLDF will be indicted for fraud than it is that the LOCSD will sue for the money back.

Unknown said...

Hi Shark... You are thinking correctly... and the CSD Directors who made that bogus monthly allowance give away may also be caught in the under-tow...

That "75/25 agreement" is right inline with their other typical financial agreements to fight their personal crusade against the State Water Board while trying to telling us it was all for the community good... Oh well, they will be in court in June...this year and they are out of excuses for further delays... even Sietz is aware there will be no further delays this time...

Watershed Mark said...

Steve,
I'm sorry for your lack of understanding regarding the water issues concernig Phoenix and the Phoenix Active Management Area.

Keep reading or give them a call.
They will be happy to straighten you out.

Lynette,

I will stop asking questions when they are answered.

-Can you please point us to the County Low Pressure Collection Tech Memo that contains detailed the Vacuum collection information you are quoting from?
-Why wasn’t Vacuum Collection reviewed, studied or reported on in the County’s process?
-Why are you trying to spin on it now all by yourself with no county documentation to back you up?
-Why are you trying so hard to bury Los Osos?
-When are we going to hear more about Mr. Dean "I forgot his last name”? This question is of particular importance as it speaks directly to your lack of integrity. If you “made it up” or lied, why not admit it, so you can be forgiven?

Watershed Mark said...

1) Sacramento-San Joaquin River System
Location: California
Outdated water and flood management puts California's largest watershed at the top of America's most endangered rivers list for 2009. A recent breach in the delta's 1,100-mile levee system could have dire effects on surrounding ecosystems, farming and agriculture, commercial fishing and California's civil infrastructure. State and federal authorities are looking at alternative water-management strategies for the river system, which serves 25 million Californians and more than 5 million acres of farmland.

Watershed Mark said...

What out for your own water source LO/BP...

Watershed Mark said...

"Watch" out for your own water source LO/BP...

Churadogs said...

Inlet sez:"Didn't you read Ann's comments today? She said that if you didn't actually show up at the supervisor's meeting you should hold your tongue. You weren't there. Zip it!"

What I said on the previous post was that it was your last time to speak up (I include written comments in that term as well)not just show up. Once public comment's closed, that's it. Then everyone has to zip it because further public comment will have no "legal" procedural effect on the BOS's decision. Don't know if Mark sent in written comments.

Mike sez;"The Tri-W Design did have odor scrubbing... AND it had a Park...!!!

Tri-W is sounding better every day...!!!!"

Mike, are you forgetting the public survey wherein 90% of those who answered the survey said they didn't want a sewer plant at Tri-w and as for money, they were willing to spend $49.99 MORE to get the gravity system they wanted, and if the final bid system comes in at less than, say $205 a month, they'd then be free to spend that $45.99 on getting a treatment plant outside of town, for example. Aren't you the one who keeps saying we shouldn't listen to the "minority" crazies. If you're pushing Tri-W as a site, wouldn't that put you in with the "minority" crazies? And if 90% of the community (or at least those who filled out the survey)don't want Tri-W and you start objecting to the out of town site and start advocating for Tri-W, won't that make you an "anti-sewer obstructionist? just trying to delay, delay, delay? "

Unknown said...

Ann, YOU are simply making things up that are not what was written or what I meant...

I don't really care where the damn treatment plant finally goes... but I'm also not conveniently forgetting the long and difficult path it took to secure the Tri-W site and to produce a legal working Plan... So far, there is no completed Plan nor purchased property... Tri-W has already been down those paths and could be ready to go in a much shorter time schedule... We actually own the property...!!! Wouldn't that seem to reduce the protracted delays....???

The only ones making a big fuss are the sewer obstructionists... so why not ignore those extremists and get back to a completed plan on already owned property... or do we just keep throwing money at appeasing the extreme minority...???

....NOW ANN, when are you going to disclose or even write an honest "Opinion" covering the CSD5's give-away to your PZLDF....?????

Watershed Mark said...

MIKE: When are you going to poit us to the Parkson?Bio-Lac(tm) submittal?

Did you ever get your friends and relatives in Phoenix,Arizona straightened out?

Watershed Mark said...

MIKE: When are you going to point us to the Parkson/Bio-Lac(tm) submittal?

Watershed Mark said...

Ann wrote: "Aren't you the one who keeps saying we shouldn't listen to the "minority" crazies. If you're pushing Tri-W as a site, wouldn't that put you in with the "minority" crazies?

Some serious smack MIKE!

GetRealOsos said...

Sewertoons,

First, I'm still waiting for you to provide the info on all the tests you spoke of besides the Kitt's study. Why can't you provide this to us when you claim they exist? ... or is this another one of your lies?

Where do I want to see the plant -- well, if it were up to me it would be ponds with a park like setting i.e. Johanson's work, behind the cemetery. That's what Rob Miller preferred I heard.

I'm getting real tired of you acting as if you are a professional in the field and that you know more than the guys who write the books.

You've done nothing but pimp for Paavo and promote the most costly system. You have screwed the community for your own benefit. You've lied, you've twisted, you're obviously corrupted. You've been here only a few years and act as if you know it all. What nerve!

Unknown said...

Hey GRO... your reasoning and quiet style are much fun to read...

So tell us GRO, now that we have your blessing on a huge, stinky sewer pond next to my family's, and a "few" other families, grave sites, would you now also enlighten us on HOW you would convey the roughly 1,000,000 gallons per day of waste liquid/products to those wonderful ponds...???

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

Hey - WEFTEC is now registering people to attend their big convention in October!

"WEFTEC®, the Water Environment Federation’s Annual Technical Exhibition and Conference, is the largest conference of its kind in North America and offers water quality professionals from around the world with the best water quality education and training available today. Also recognized as the largest annual water quality exhibition in the world, the expansive show floor provides unparalleled access to the most cutting-edge technologies in the field; serves as a forum for domestic and international business opportunities; and promotes invaluable peer-to-peer networking between its more than 20,000 attendees."

Here is a link to the exhibitor page - let's see who will be exhibiting!!!

http://www.weftec.org/CmsWEFTEC/Pages/ExhibitorDirectory/Home.aspx

GetRealOsos said...

Mike,

Why aren't you asking Rob Miller these questions?

If you go to PatriciaJohanson.com, you will be able to see how families (dead or alive I guess) can enjoy...

I believe she worked with gravity in Petaluma and S.F.

After looking at her website you would seem very stupid not to agree with me on this!

GetRealOsos said...

Sewertoons,

Since you and Maria are so into water and conserving it, why would you support the County's preferred project that would throw away 2/3's of our water by using spray fields?

Can you explain that?

Unknown said...

GRO... I take it you believe there will be a few tiny vacumm pipes transporting the waste to the artistic ponds and new County park and recreation fields... That way there will be no need to tear up the streets... no pipes 30 feet under ground...??? ...hmmm, just how many tiny pipes will it take to transport 1,000,000 gallons per day...???

BTW, the 1M figure is based on 5000 houses delivering 200 gallons per day... Now if we hook up Cabrillo and Clark Canyon and everyone outside the PZ, then how many homes dumping 200 galons per day...??? Lets just say 15,000 homes and through judicious water conservation, we cut the volume to 50 gals per day per house... well, that's only 750,000 gals per day... Hell GRO, I'll bet you can live with wasting only 50 gals per day...

GetRealOsos said...

Mike,

You are really a jerk. I said gravity with the ponds. That's what the BOS decided on Tuesday, gravity, right?

Nothing short of a lawsuit would stop the County now from gravity. Now, since it will be gravity, it shouldn't have to be a 640 acre treatment plant out of our basin spraying precious water away.

That goes against everything that the Governor and the State Water Board wants, right?

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

I will speak for my self in saying that the ISJ, the discussions between the water purveyors which we are not privy to, will likely be the way that problem will be solved. They are the ones selling water and they are very interested in preserving that asset to be able to sell it. But the Coastal Commission might have something to add to that discussion. We'll have to wait and see.

The people against Broderson cut down that way to get water to the lower aquifer by half. The water has to go somewhere. Just how much do I want to pay? Well, I'd rather have that cost spread to all the water customers rather than just us in the PZ.

Unknown said...

GRO, again I enjoy your candid and well thoughtout remarks...yup, your stroke is coming soon...

But you have to agree that the Tri-W site for the treatment plant and the fewer (and smaller) pipes for the 5000 PZ homes looks better every day... We'll probably save enought to build a real community park...!!!

Calm down now and listen to your doc, you are beginning to sound frantic and angry again.... Have a nice day visiting your doc...

Unknown said...

Hey GRO... I forgot to ask, have you heard whether PZLDF has paid anything toward their failed lawsuit....???? The CSD accountng shows nearly $80,000 given to the PizzleFlop group... that means then that the PZLDF was to have paid $320,000... Sounds like a fraud investigation is needed... How about you taking the lead since you have all the investigative skills....

You'll notice that TaxPayers Watch paid off LAFCo even though Ron has not reported on that... but maybe you can point him toward the PZLDF monthly allowance give-away....???

Have a super nice day and keep taking your meds...

Churadogs said...

Mike sez:"The only ones making a big fuss are the sewer obstructionists... so why not ignore those extremists and get back to a completed plan on already owned property... or do we just keep throwing money at appeasing the extreme minority...???"

Are 90% of the community that responded to the survey now considered by you to be an "extreme minority" now? That's interesting.

Mike sez:"Now if we hook up Cabrillo and Clark Canyon and everyone outside the PZ, then how many homes dumping 200 galons per day...??? "

The Coastal Commission's preliminary response made it clear they have NO intention of allowing the treatment plant to service ANY "extra" areas. According to one public speaker recently, the DEIR seems to indicate "mission creep" already since apparently the proposed plant is already bigger than needed for planned build out, so I suspect that info will come in for CC scrutiny.) If they are adamant about that limit, the folks in Carbrillo will be out of luch. More interesting, the Stealth Update has been rushed through so, if I'm not mistaken, all those folks outside the PZ now belong to Roger Briggs. CDO anyone?

Unknown said...

Nice try Ann, but you only continue trying to deflect attention away from the extremists, and you are right in there as one... You only scurry around trying to make it sound as if the RWQCB and the County are forcing an un-needed sewer upon poor little Los Osos... But you never acknowledge the very transparent agenda of creating enough delays that the final cost of the sewer and resulting monthly bills will exceed what most us will be able to pay... We did have a reasonable Plan, it was fully legal and permitted... We had a hard working CSD that had a financial plan that was working... BUT Ann, that recall, that you so gleefully supported, put in a team of incompetent financial managers who had no sewer plan other than create delay after delay and throw the funds to their personal lawyers...

You watched and never questioned the financial give away to the crusade lawyers, what did you think...??? Did you think that after insulting the Water Board that some toothfairy would shower LO with buckets of money to keep fighting and never building...??? You even signed on to a lawsuit against the State and watched as the CSD again poured money through a bogus agreement into a legal firm who poorly prepared and presented a suit that was thrown out as a waste of time and money... but Ann, that was only one of the dance steps to create delays toward any sewer... Show us you actually paid your share of that 25/75% agreement... Show us that Sullivan ever even billed PZLDF.... We all know that PZLDF never paid anything and that the CSD paid the entire $80,000 Bill to Sullivan...

That is the type of undermining of this community by the small group of extremists that forced the WWTF Project to be taken away from our community... All most of this community has ever wanted was to replace the septics that we know are polluting, with a modern sewer, but the vocal extremists threw up every smoke screen possible to delay and create the most costly sewer possible...

Keep trying to deflect attention away from you and your obstructionist friends... the rest of the community has seen through the delays and know exactly why the monthly sewer bill will be so high... Thanks Ann, you have done your part...

GetRealOsos said...

Mike,

Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Jon Seitz at the last CSD meeting explain that with the 218 that the money to pay for any project (needed on the 218) would have to be covered by monies that the CSD would have to have?

I'll watch again, but when Seitz was going over Cabrillo's new 218, I thought he said something like that.

You can chant as many times as you wish about your precious "legal" Tri-W project and your precious (recalled) CSD, but they did not hold that legal vote required by law. Fees and charges didn't cut it to build a plant and collection system (different for fees and charges on an existing system).

MWH knew a vote was needed, the County knew a vote was needed, Blakeslee knew a vote was needed -- why no vote Mike? Hardly makes that project legal - no matter how many times you repeat yourself - doesn't make it true!

P.S. Where are the tests that Lynette claims exist (besides Kitt's) -- she says they are there, but refuses to show us...Hmmmm...

...and, the article I referred to regarding construction costs being down so in this economy did say on that particular project, down by 50%. Too bad the County will only give our project to the highest bidder, MWH! How nice of them.

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

GRO, do you see any court case now or in the past by anyone against the CSD -- for NOT holding a 218? NO. Because at that time - and now forever changed by Los Osos defaulting on that SRF loan -- it was not legally necessary. There was an exception to the 218 law for sewer systems. They were once able to be paid for by user fees. I will note that such an arrangement did NOT PUT A LIEN ON YOUR HOUSE, as the arrangement we have now does. Another thing we can thank the obstructionists for.

ALSO, MWH is only 1 of 3 contractors bidding. The lowest bid wins.

I will recycle a quote by Richard made a long time ago on a Trib blog on this 218 topic:

" From: 
InsidetheCSD  
2:44 pm 
To: 
blueberries
 (246 of 269) 
 
1523.246 in reply to 1523.244 

Hi Blueberries....
Sure, I'd gladly answer the question.
The short answer is that a 218 vote was not required by law.
The long answer is that the Tri-W project, though the brainchild of the CSD was, in reality, the STATE'S project.
HOW was the Tri-W project a State Project?.......well. the CSD, with the review and approval of the Regional Water Board, showed the State that the Tri-W Project was technically viable and worthy of funding by the SRF Program. As such, the STATE, in agreeing to fund the project, took ownership of the project as the means to stop the pollutin of the State's water. The State then contracted with the CSD to act as its' "agent" to OVERSEE the building of the STATE'S project; with the understanding that once the project was completed and operational that the State would tranfer ownership of the project to the CSD. The CSD would than repay the State the SRF funds used for constructing the STATE project. Repayment by the CSD was to occur over 20 years; and repayment was guaranteed to the State through the rates collected from homeowners via the monthly sewer service fee.
In all, a very clean and legal funding process that the State has used for decades to help local communities to build needed infrastructure.
Regards, Richard LeGros"

Watershed Mark said...

Lynette wrote: "ALSO, MWH is only 1 of 3 contractors bidding. The lowest bid wins."

Lynette: Show us link the link that proves your statement.

My understanding is that the "best value" bidder will be selected, which is not the same thing as "lowest bidder".

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

On the Trib website:
"Los Osos sewer, Cuesta among Congressman Kevin McCarthy's earmark requests for federal funding"

"—$5 million for a Los Osos Wastewater Infrastructure Construction Project to finance the design and construction of a wastewater treatment plant in Los Osos."

And a comment off of the "Comments" section below:

oldtimer wrote, "…I am totally opposed to any of my tax dollars going to the Los Osos sewer ... these people have delayed the process for over 40 years which has increased the cost to where it is now almost unaffordable ... sorry but I don't want my tax dollars to be used to bail out Stupid."

Watershed Mark said...

No more "earmarks"...

Realistic1 said...

Unless, of course, it would pay for your preferred system. Right, Mark?

GetRealOsos said...

Lynette,

Each one of your posts show how ignorant you really are.

Who delayed the sewer? The County had it for how long?? (before Pandora tricked the PZ to pay for it)

Didn't Gordon and Stan try to delay it too?

Oh, and Richard LeGros' explanation of why the Prop 218 didn't happen is really funny!

If it was the State's project, then the state would have paid for it (as they should be doing now anyway!)

Why would Jon Seitz tell the State Water Board, when they ask about repayment, that he had no dedicated source of revenue unless the CSD held a 218!

And besides, Richard doesn't admit to any wrong-doing, ever.

And about McCarthy's $5 million you spoke of -- the County has already wasted $6 - $7 million dollars of our money for a dog n' pony show to trick and lie to the community that they were looking at alternative solutions, or cost effective solutions -- when they were not. What a public waste of PZ funds.

You are too much Lynette, and way too stupid to take seriously.

You simply "PIMP FOR PAAVO" AND 'PIMP FOR PANDORA'.

P.S. We're all still waiting to see the tests that show any pollution from septic tanks (besides Kitts' study)!!

Unknown said...

Keep take'n your meds GRO... You are going to have that stroke when you find out the latest twists in the sewer saga...

Try doing a little thinking... if 1,000,000 gals per day pumped out of Los Osos through water wells and not returned to the soil, but is sent off to a treatment plant out of town, what happens to the aquifers...??? Plaes don't try using the argument that the septics are not the main cause of pollution, that argument is legally dead, not even worth a breath to discuss it... but what is going to happen to the aquifiers if the treatment is miles out of town....???

GetRealOsos said...

Mike,

Are you saying Tri-W will be it?

What other twists could there possibly be?

Why don't you have your friend Lynette give us the info on the tests she claims there is on pollution from septics?

I'll repeat this again, by law, the burden of proof is on the water board, not on the homeowner to prove they're not polluting.

Where's the proof Mike?

Don't ya wanna share?

Watershed Mark said...

MIKE: Treatment to injection well quality allows the water to be treated and returned to the aquifer for duty.

R1: "No earmarks". Government funding for water and wastewater projects will be loaned out via SRF programs.
Because those SRF Programs will be funded with "stimulus" the "transparency and accountability" requirements should/could/would be attached.

There will be no federal funding "rabbits out of the hat". Best spend like it’s “real money”, like it’s your money, because it is.
Happy Easter!

Watershed Mark said...

There should be a five-year plan to repair or replace all private septic tanks to bring them into conformity with the water framework directive. “This will help improve our ground water conditions,” said Mr. Hogan.
He added: “The septic tank for one-off housing in rural areas is the single greatest obstacle to reaching targets for ground and surface water quality in Ireland.”
He said municipal waste water treatment works that were old or insufficient in scale were contributing “a massive proportion of pollution in Irish lakes and rivers”.

Watershed Mark said...

GRO,

MIKE and Lynette squawk like quail trying to protect their chicks from a road runner. Road runners hunt in pairs and keep working the brood until one chick is separated and becomes prey. It is nature’s way.

The Mr. Dean “I forgot his last name” comment will continue to define Lynette as an un-truthful person.
Even her buddies don’t seem to want any part of that “filthy, stupid lie” and cover-up. She should “own up” to her actions, so I will cease bringing it up.

Her continuing attempts at mis/dis-information as a way to cover up something she is obviously very concerned about are really quite telling.

MIKE just makes stuff up as part of his gags, bits and business.

BTW it has become clear that the FOIA request I made for the County’s consulting engineer’s billings lack sufficient detail to determine what was done by whom and when. It appears that those 166 pages were important so I’ll continue my work to get that information. No worries as there is no time limit and the project as it progresses will yield years worth of opportunity to become knowledgeable about the billing and payment information.

Churadogs said...

Mark sez:"My understanding is that the "best value" bidder will be selected, which is not the same thing as "lowest bidder"."

Ah,yes, "best value." You can hide a lot of interesting stuff under that code word, "best value."

GetRealOsos said...

Ann,

I heard that the County says MWH is the #1 on the list of three even though it didn't appear number one -- they are!

The big fix started with the TAC not evaluating other alternatives such as vacuum and decentralized.

(I believe the County paid Pio $100,000. or so to up the prices on decentralized so it would look like gravity was cheaper -- Waterguy or others could have done for much less).

The scam started with the TAC and picking mostly all Tri-W supporters, and picking people who did not belong on that committee -- turning away Dr. Alexander and Dr. Reuhr. Maria is a better expert?!?

It is also my understanding that there was no engineer's stamp on the Fine Screening.

Then the fix of the survey with no price tags and/or estimates of cost. Who in the whole could make an informed decision without numbers? How can Paavo and Bruce hold that survey up and act like it means anything?!? (BTW, the County's 218 didn't provide the true numbers required by law either...)

It's pretty clear that the County only wanted to pit Step against gravity and come up with all those excuses not to go with Step ie "oh, Step will tear up our yard" (like laterals won't) or "replace all tanks" etc. etc. -- THEY COULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT WITH VACUUM OR DECENTRALIZED -- and that's why other systems were not evaluated by the TAC committee!

Make sense? Doesn't the whole thing make sense now?

P.S. Can you imagine how stupid people can be (TAC) to select a traditional treatment plant over beautiful ponds that would not impact visuals? Heck, those ponds would receive grant money too! But, MWH doesn't do that kind of work. So, no ponds.

It's all about MWH and always has been!

Unknown said...

GRO... Do you know what part those "beautiful" ponds are actually used to perform in an entire waste water treatment system...???

GetRealOsos said...

Mike,

No, but Rob Miller does.

There are many experts that do also.

Did you ever look up Patricia Johanson?

P.S. Are you on MWH's payroll?

Unknown said...

GRO... You are being lead around by your fragile ego and lack of knowledge as to what the components of a sewer are and do... You don't really kow what "ponds" or even "spray fields" are or do... You really should get an education before trying to sound like a sewer authority... There are too many of those misguided by Ann, Lisa, Julie and Gail already...

Watershed Mark said...

MIKE: You make stuff up and are very confused, which is why no one should consider you seriously.

You have demonstrated that you think ECOfluid is a contractor that can respond to an RFP. ECOfluid/USBF™ is exactly like Parkson/Bio-Lac™
I prove this by asking you to provide the Bio-Lac™ proposal/submittal which you have failed to do because there isn't one.

There are several types of ponds: algae and bacteria based ponds are the most common.
Ponds provide water storage, emergency water storage, sludge storage and biological nutrient removal.