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Saturday, November 06, 2010

Letters, Ron Gets Letters . . .

Ah, yes, a blast from the past.  The infamous Letter from the RWQCB to the Karners, all about the Faster, Better, Cheaper Ponds of Avalon.  at www.sewerwatch.blogspot.com   Do click on the link and read the actual letter.  Check the date of the letter.  Was this something the community knew BEFORE voting to form a CSD, perhaps?  Hmmmm?

Ah, yes, history as tragedy.  Or comedy.

56 comments:

Ron said...

... lots and lots of letters. Letterrrsss!

[Hmmm, now that I think about it, I haven't seen the ol' "Viewer Mail" segment on Letterman, lately. What's up with that?]

Anyhoot, thanks for the link (again ; - ), Ann.

Yes, if anyone pops on over to S. Watch, DO click on the link for that amazing letter, but also be sure to click on another link I exclusively supply -- a document I've hilariously titled "Karner's Rambling Manifesto."

That document is GREAT! What a rambling mess.

Among the many weird things that the Karners ramble on about in that bizarre document, is this:

"In addition, the Solution Group had the pro-bono (free) services of... a nationally-renowned landscape architectural firm for site planning."

Right.

Yeah, the "nationally-renowned landscape architectural firm" that he's talking about there, is the SWA Group, where Gar's "a Managing Principal and Senior Project Manager of the firm. He specialized in project management and risk management with SWA for 27 years and is currently retained by SWA to consult on risk management."

And, of course, as I also exposed, almost immediately after the Karners tricked the voters of Los Osos into forming the LOCSD, official LOCSD documents associated with the Karners' fake project, began containing the words "SWA Group," in a not-so-"pro bono" way... of course.

And, also of course, the Karners fail to mention any of that in their rambling manifesto.

The main difference I see between Bernie Madoff and Pandora Nash-Karner, is that Madoff didn't also fine his clients "out of existence," after he took all of their money.

That's pretty much the only difference I see between the two.

Now, don't forget to "Celebrate Los Osos!" y'all.

FOGSWAMP said...

Ron sure digs deep, great reveling letter.

Perhaps he should send a copy to writer Barbara Walcott and her so-caalled editor.

Also to Amazon.com folk (even some writers) that gave the book raving good reviews such as; "well researched", factual and well researched", "factual and objective", even "balanced reporting".

What a crock!

FOGSWAMP said...

That should read "revealing" although, revel would work because I enjoyed reading it greatly.

Ron said...

Fog writes:

"Perhaps he should send a copy to writer Barbara Walcott..."

I have a question: How does her book end?

I mean, look at all that's happened since that mess was published, including the fact that the County just spent four years and nearly $8 million showing that the Tri-W disaster was the exact disaster I first showed it to be in my 2004 New Times cover story, and now, I expose a 12-year-old letter that shows the Karners, beginning in 1997, hatched a scam to create a sewer disaster just so they could get paid.

So, how in the world does Wolcott's book end?

[Awesome "Sunday Photos," Ann. I very much enjoyed that piece.]

Churadogs said...

Ron sez:"have a question: How does her book end?"

No, she just stopped it at a certain point. The final chapters are yet to be written. And a comprehensive volume will end up weighing about a ton, with 80 million pounds of apendicies and foot notes. Need a crane to pick it up.

Glad you like the hummingbird photos. My camera is a little old cheap e-camera so getting any really good photos is sheer dumb luck. Talk about point and shoot . . . And if it involves something moving, because of the delay, most of the shots are great pics of . . . empty spaces where something once was.

Ron said...

Ann writes:

"she just stopped it at a certain point."

Huh, that's weird.

If I'm not mistaken ('cause I've never read the book), wasn't that "certain point" when the Tri-W disaster was still on the table?

If so, wouldn't the fact that the County ended up showing that the 1999 - 2005 LOCSD Board wasted $25 million and some six years on that disaster, change the entire slant of her book?

And, what about the fact that the Karners hatched a scam in 1997 to deliberately create the sewer disaster so they could make money?

Wouldn't that also change everything she wrote about in that book?

Oh well, I guess I'll just toss ol' Barb in Pandora's "Tool" Box, along with Dave Congalton, Bill Morem, Dan Blackburn, Judy Salamacha, KSBY, KCOY, etc, etc., etc.

Barbara Wolcott: Behavior Based Marketing "Tool" (Pandora's word to describe her "tools" in the media.)

Ann also writes:

"And if it involves something moving, because of the delay, most of the shots are great pics of . . . empty spaces where something once was."

Doncha just hate that?

In my photography classes at Poly, we were taught that the art in photography comes in capturing the exact instant that you see through your view finder... not the two seconds later, after you've pushed the button.

That is a HUGE pet peeve of mine.

Churadogs said...

Ron, trust me on this one. If you're writing about the Hideous Sewer Wars, you MUST get a copy of Wolcott's book and read it. You can't possibly finish your book about all this without reading what she wrote. Not if you're serious about the history of all this.

FOGSWAMP said...

I would give Ron my copy of the book, but it has many, many pages missing that I used to line the bird cage tray.

I guess my bird is lucky the toxic ink used in the gravure process didn't kill the bird.

Ron said...

Ann writes:

"You can't possibly finish your book about all this without reading what she wrote."

Oh, trust me, not only do I plan on reading it, I plan on making a chapter out of it -- or maybe just dedicating a large part of my GREAT "Pandora's 'Tool' Box" chapter to it.

Oh yeah, that bad boy, I'm sure, will end up getting plenty of ink.

Wanna hear something funny?

A source actually sent me the page where she mentions SewerWatch.

Within a matter of four sentences, she completely contradicts her take on SewerWatch. Within a matter of four sentences, she shows, herself, that she's wrong.

ANY semi-astute reader can easily see it. It's right on the page. And the point she is wrong on there, is HUGE!

Where is she wrong?

You'll have to wait for my book!

Oh, I'll be a-readin' ol' Barb's book, alright.

Ahahahahaha!

Alon Perlman said...

And if it involves something moving, because of the delay, most of the shots are great pics of . . . empty spaces where something once was.
…The sewersaga in a nutshell

One of the best detail pictures I ever took of an Egret has its head out of frame. Great quote from photo-class. They also described it as the art of putting things in a frame. You’d think that Digital would capture things instantly, not having to move a heavy prism out of the way as in a single lens reflex (SLR)
Capture instantly- What you see may not be what you'l get. Like the samurai zen of nascar "Aim for the accident grasshopper, because by the time you get there, the scene will have shifted."


You must read it Ron Not only will the Book you write be complete without it, but your graymatter portion dedicated to Los Osos Sah-Ga would be incomplete without it.

But, since it will be new to you, some spoilers; Most of us have read it and noticed the Sam Blakesley centric take. Chapter 1 and Chapter last, belong to his future political career. Don’t worry, your favorite Los Ossan is in there too. I’m just letting you know that if you put “perfect storm” into Calhouns cannons search box you will see what has been already been recognized, including Ann’s points about the importance of an Editor. You may also come to the part where I gave a comprehensive cover to cover review of the Book cover (Only the cover itself is included in my review) “Note the Turkey vulture on the front cover. Note the columns of year dates printed. Note the last year printed”- “Now turn to the back cover, feel the same waxy texture, ..”

You asked -How does the book end? Seriously- I thought you were being sarcastic, and had in fact read it.
And when you finally have read it cover to cover. You will find yourself asking; OK.. but how does the book end?
Ann succinctisized it. But I’m not sure “just stopped” does justice to the “Assumption of finality”.


I can’t find my copy right now but here is my paraphrased version of the ending;

And then the governor signed 2701 and then the county built the sewer.
The End.

Realistic1 said...

I have a couple of questions for Ron:

What checks did the Karner's cash over the years? In what way did they personally profit?

Specifics, please.

Churadogs said...

Alon sez:"And then the governor signed 2701 and then the county built the sewer.
The End."

Actually, that's exactly it.
My quarrel with the book was two-fold. 1. She really, really, really was badly served by her editor(s)/Publisher (?) and 2. the Basic Question remains: How can anyone write a book about the Hideous Sewer Wars that pretends to be accurate, non-fiction, fair and balanced, adequately researched, etc. -- and NOT interview Lisa Schicker or Gail McPherson.(Even though both were available and, so far as I know, willing to talk.) How is that even remotely possible? Which brings us back to quarrel #1. Editor(s).

Mike said...

How about actually answering Realistic1...?????
....Or is ron simply bs'ing as usual...??? Just made-up "facts"...??? No truth, just enuendo...????


"What checks did the Karner's cash over the years?

In what way did they personally profit?

Specifics, please."

Mike said...

What about those questions ron...???

Are YOU just making up "facts"..???

Ron said...

Alon writes:

"And then the governor signed 2701 and then the county built the sewer.
The End
"

Yeah... but built which sewer got built?

Like I wrote, if I'm not mistaken, "the sewer" that was still on the table at the time of that book's publishing was the Tri-W disaster.

So, did she leave her readers thinking that AB 2701 was signed, and then the Tri-W disaster was built?

Nice "journalism."

Brings to mind Bush's "Mission Accomplished."

Mike writes:

"Or is ron simply bs'ing as usual...??? Just made-up "facts"...??? No truth, just enuendo...???? "

Miguel, allow me to explain some technical things to you:

When the letters are blue, that means you can move the cursor on your computer -- using the mouse (that's that little thing that has a wire that goes into the keyboard, unless you're using a wireless one) -- over those blue words, then push the button on the mouse, and, like magic, something happens.

Here, give it a try, it's fun:

Move your mouse over these words, and then push the button.

Now, does that look like a "made-up fact" to you?

Oh, that's right, now I remember, according to the ones of Taxpayer Watchers' logic, it's my "opinion" that that document exists.

Uh, you guys DO realize that it doesn't make any sense for you to defend the Karners' actions, right?

The only way that makes sense, is if you are either them, or someone that made/makes money off of their scams.

That's the ONLY way that makes sense, because, logically, you should be really, really mad.

R1, we've already been through that, and, just because you don't want to, or can't remember those excellent specifics, doesn't mean that I'm going to waste keystrokes (again) resetting it all for you.

As I showed you the first time, I have it, and you'll be able to read all about those specifics in my book : -)

(Hey, I'm gettin' good at this 'book plugging' thing.)

Mike said...

...in other words...RON is simply bull shitting as usual...!!! or he is plain out right LIEING...

Time to face facts ron, YOU have NO facts about the Karners...!!!!

Ron said...

Mike writes:

"YOU have NO facts about the Karners...!!!!"

Ya know, that's actually funny.

Here's the humor in that:

I supply a link straight to a document addressed to "Gary & Pandora Karner," from "Roger W. Briggs," printed on official RWQCB letterhead, and immediately after I post that great fact, Mike immediately writes, "YOU have NO facts about the Karners...!!!!"

That sequence is actually funny.

Welcome to Los Osos!

Well, then, there ya go, Mike.

Now, have a nice life, and the rest of us that actually know how to click on a link will just keep on a-chuggin' along.

Mike said...

...so you STILL have not laid out any of your "facts"... YOU never answer questions with facts... You never support any of your outrageous crap... You only make up what you want to hear...!!!!

That makes you a LIAR ron crawford...!!!!

Sewertoons said...

Ms. Wolcott tried to interview those two - Lisa and Gail, but they declined to be interviewed.

TheOpenEye said...

Bimbotoons,

You lie every time you open your little white mouth...

Wolcott NEVER tried to interview Lisa. Lisa asked to be interviewed, but Wolcott the phony jerk never responded.

Get your facts straight. Even better, take your Taxpayers Watch trash (including Mike who eats toilet paper to pass the time) to your own website where you can tell as many lies as you want there and no one will notice or care.

If Ann didn't give you space to post your lies and stupidity, where would you go and would what you do all day? I wish Ann would give you a chance to find out. We'd be a better community for it, that's for sure!!!!

Mike said...

Geez Openeye... YOU really are screwed up... sampled too much of the septic weed..??? Sleeping around hasn't helped you at all...but keep trying, we're all laughing at YOU...!!! Maybe try ron next, he as no morals either...!!!

Do try looking in your own mirror...unless it has cracked so badly there is no longer a reflection...

TheOpenEye said...

Hi Mike!

Thanks for writing back!!!!

You must have learned your morals from the Tor-nazi's or the LeGross' 'cuz your posts are always paragons of morality -- Taxpayers Watch style, which is soiling yourself in public for fun and profit.

The only subhuman in town as miserable as you is LeGros, who, as you know, is a failed architect who hasn't earned a dime in eight years, who was recalled in shame and has to live with that the rest of his life, and who found his "wife" in the New Times "wanted" section so he wouldn't appear to be, you know... I don't know why she's still advertising, but I admire your choice of community heroes to model your (lack of) morality after!!!! Yucky you!!!!

we're all laughing at YOU

Uh, Mike, look around and maybe you'll see that there's nobody up here 'cept loser you and the creep Tornazi. Nice try, y'ALL! LOL on you, moron!

Yes, it is true I've been sleeping around a lot, and I know you're a great number in the sack, but I'll have to skip you and the other beached whale this time around, even though I know you want me BAD!!!!

Kiss, kiss, hug, hug, Taxpayer turdling!!!!

Hey, why don't you get your own website so I can leave a few nice comments for you???? Oh that's right, Ann's is your official TW website.

Sewertoons said...

TOE, it is a tribute to Ann's tolerance that she puts up with you. Sticks & stones, etc.. Say whatever you like - it is just silly and sad as to what interests you. If it floats your boat to display yourself thus, go for it.

TheOpenEye said...

Bimbotoons!

I humbly disagree. How are your posts any better or different than mine???

You are ignorant and uninformed and think that selling lies and misinformation is something the community wants and needs -- it isn't.

On the other hand, I am correcting you -- which is a full-time job -- since you lie so freely and easily, and I believe the truth has greater value than lies any day of the week.

To me, it's sad that you would blog your slander, lies and nonsense here and that it's allowed to pass. To me it's disgusting and defamatory, but, lacking any factual foundation that's all you've got.

It floats my boat to call a liar and liar, a phony a phony, and a fraud a fraud -- and that's what you are. Accept your role as town trash.

Why don't you go do your own website? Oh that's right, you can't. You don't know how, even though you took a course at Cuesta. No, you're just a mindless poacher with nothing to do and no place to go, and the community has to suffer the division you sow with your pathological lies.

Go back to the Venice Boardwalk with the rest of the freaks and leave Los Osos alone.

Ron said...

Hey, good news Mike, and R1!

I'm was up against deadline, and I needed an idea for one of my "at least weekly" posts, so I've changed my mind, and decided to re-set my great, very specific example (that you can't, or don't want to remember), on how Nash-Karner was able to cash in on her deliberately created disaster.

Absolutely beautiful.

Read all about it:

http://sewerwatch.blogspot.com/2010/11/plugged-holes-lead-to-closed-loops.html

Thanks for the subject matter idea!

[When will you people ever learn?]

- - -

TOE writes:

"Hey, why don't you get your own website so I can leave a few nice comments for you???? Oh that's right, Ann's is your official TW website."

Ahahahaha!

Ron said...

"I'm was up against deadline..."?

and that, after this doozie:

"Yeah... but built which sewer got built?"

Argh!

(I wish I could fix the typos in my comments as easily as I can fix the typos in my posts.)

TheOpenEye said...

Ron,

Can you believe Turkeybasters Watch has no website of their own???!!!

C'mon, Watchers! Every hate group in the world has their own website. The Nazi Party, White Power, even Al Qaeda has their own website... But not our local hate group: They squat here.

Gee, I hope Ann isn't inadvertently, accidentally, unintentionally enabling them by let them curse and lie here as if it's their own comfy kitchen roundtable -- and by not setting a standard for discourse (3 lies and your out, no proof-no lie) that would gently move them along to the gutter where they came from????

As I mentioned, I would be a frequent visitor to turkeybasterswatch.com and look forward to blogging in their comments section... but that's just a wild fantasy.

All they can do is hate, but they can't build a website to save their lives, to tell their side of Pandora's story, or to set the record straight about those awful, rude obstructionists who dare to want the affordable project that was stolen from beneath their noses by the evildoers...

Maybe that's because they have nothing to say, no proof of lies, and there isn't any "their" side of the story, just yours. That's what it looks like from here because that's the way it is.

Mike said...

...darn...those powerful Taxpayers Watch folks just keep overwhelming a couple of poor whinners...

...hmmm, let's see... Taxpayers Watch sued and won and then returned $2,000,000 of misappropriated public funds to the District...

Just how much has ron actually done for the community...??? ouch... NOTHING...!!!! Does ron own property on Los Osos..??? Does ron even live in Los Osos...??? Ever wonder why someone with no connection to Los Osos has to write a blog condemning any sewer in Los Osos...??? So what is ron's real agenda...???

TheOpenEye said...

Hi Mike LeGros!

More lies from Turkeybasters Watch. One more lie, and you're OUT!

Taxpayers Watch sued and won and then returned $2,000,000 of misappropriated public funds to the District

Taxpayers Watch reached a no-fault settlement (no "win" or "loss"), and misappropriation is not proven in the settlement. It's just an accusation from the town trash!! And the $2,000,000 has NOT been returned to the district.

Where's your web site, Wichard???

Mike said...

Oh...??? It sure looks like the lawyers and insurers knew they couldn't win... Thanks to Lisa and Julie, it was an easy win...!!!! Why else did they pay back the $2,000,000 STOLEN by the CSD5...???

No matter how you try to dress the pig, it's still $2,000,000 returned to the District as the result of misappropriation (theft!) of public funds...!!!!

YOU LOST...!!!!!! How goes that PZLDF lawsuit...???

TheOpenEye said...
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TheOpenEye said...

Oh Mike!

What I like about you is your resilience, like a rubber band. You never get tired of being "The Dumbest Person in Town" by far -- when Bimbotoons isn't on, that is. Now that's teamwork. I saw the movie: "Dumbest and Dumberer".

Four stars. You were great as the cow's posterior.

Stupid Mike, the law is the law, and the settlement NEVER said:

No matter how you try to dress the pig, it's still $2,000,000 returned to the District as the result of misappropriation (theft!) of public funds...!!!!

Only YOU and Turkeybasterswatch.com says crap like that. I know because I read it on your non-existent website, the invisible one with so many members aching to get the news and not being able to get it... What frustration! Oh so many uninformed Turkeybasters.com missing out on the facts!!! Duh. Doh!

Not one Red Cent has been ever returned to the district, only your sweaty, late-night fantasies we don't want to know about. Yucky you!!!!

Keep in mind that the Hell's Angels raised money for Toys for Tots, and Turkeybasterswatch.com won imaginary money for an imaginary district which is in bankruptcy caused by arrogant LeGross-Hensley-Gustafson (Stan: "We left you with nothing!"). So whatever dimes on the dollar that ends up, if ever, being returned to the district you ruined with your bloody corruption will NEVER make up for the millions STOLEN by the rotten old disgraced and recalled Board of Fornicators.

Personally, I was surprised to find out you wear a dress.

Oink if you think you love me.

Mike said...

..if you are so smart, how about calling on the State AG to investigate the "settlement"...???

You obviously have no clue about legality... The CSD5 flat out misapproprated the $2M (more, but that's another case)... now if you are so smart, why didn't the pre-recall Boards ever lose a lawsuit...??? If they were so bad, why didn't any of your 11 lawsuit win so much as $1.00...???

No, the proof is in the Taxpayers Lawsuit, which won back $2M for the District... and which was paid to the Federal Bankruptcy Court because the CSD is on the verge of folding...

You need to read the bankruptcy filing, the CSD5 filed because they had free-wheeling spent the District into bankruptcy... but enough of your crap, go back and play with Edwards or Blesky or whoever might believe you...

You still haven't answered where the PZLDF lawsuit stands...??? Can't go anywhere because you don't have the CSD paying the legal fees any longer...????

TheOpenEye said...

No, Richard, the proof is not "in the Taxpayers Lawsuit" -- that's urinanalysis, which, as you know, is worth about as much as cold-cash-in-hand to the individual taxpayers of Los Osos as your reputation as a lifelong failure who doesn't live in the PZ he destroyed. (Hide in the hills Benedict Arnold!) The "settlement" means nothing to anyone but you and your gang of mutant rejects.

However many pennies, nickels and dimes trickle down into CSD coffers, it will NEVER EVER add up to anything more than CSD coupons consumed in services that put NO MONEY, not one single dollar, into the pockets of ANY Los Ososans... and never make up for the millions the recalled board STOLE from the community they now pretend to "help." Yeah, "help you out of your home." HELP! TURKEYBASTERSWATCH IS COMING!!! No thanks for "watching out" for only a small minority of twisted taxpayers in Los Osos!!!! Not all of them are trust-fund babies like you, sailor boy!

How can it be that You, Mr. Know-It-Owl, don't know where the PZLDF suit stands? Why are you one of the few who aren't "in the know," Meathead???? Did you try standing upside down in the corner reading a comic book, like I suggested???

Churadogs said...

Ron sez:"I supply a link straight to a document addressed to "Gary & Pandora Karner," from "Roger W. Briggs," printed on official RWQCB letterhead, and immediately after I post that great fact, Mike immediately writes, "YOU have NO facts about the Karners...!!!!"

That sequence is actually funny."

That's the MO, I guess. As in, Who ya gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes?

TOE sez:"Can you believe Turkeybasters Watch has no website of their own???!!!"

It's always been curious to me, this "Let's All Go Chew On Each Other's Ankles in Ann's Back Yard, Yaaayyy!" So much of the commenting here has the feel and sound of a backyard full of ramped-up little children, all shrieking and neener-neering each other, with an occasional sock to the snoot followed by a huge Waaaahhhh! followed by Mommy having to come out into the yard to spank, followed by sulking silence for a while. Then, when Mommy returns to the house, the din starts up again.

In a way, it's rather soothing -- when I hear the whines and neener-neener's starting up, I know the children are back in the yard. Background noise, with no meaning.

And I suspect it's also instructive to my blog visitors to get a glimpse into the appalling level of behavior of a few of the Sewer Addicts. I think that glimpse helps explain why and how Los Osos came to be so badly served and abused and soon, seriously damaged.

I've said from day one that none of this was rocket science. But in order to make good decisions you actually have to have real, correct facts and a spin-free Process. And a commitment to honesty. Take a gander at the "honesty" and emotional intelligence of some of the commenters above and you'll see the problem.

As for TOE's bogus claim that more people would visit this site if it weren't for the childish ravings that spew out from people like Toonces, Mike and TOE and others? Hate to break it to you, TOE, but it's entirely possible to read my blog without clicking on "comments." Though I suspect a great many people DO click on comments just to snicker at the ravings posted therein. I'm sure it's a form of entertainment for them.

Sorta like listening through the open window to children loudly play-acting chapters of some over-the-top drama of their own imagining while playing out in the back yard on a fine summer's day.

Alon Perlman said...

TOE is The Ochs ED. You got his number previously. Projection is why He is talking about "Other Peoples Blogs" and "Numbers of visitors". Having turned His own Blog into a vast wasteland of negative nabobisem. Earlier He correctly identified himself. This type of criminal insanity "needs to be caught". It's part of the profile of the disease. In fact I believe His "One in Collage" may have a history of shoplifting given his projections onto me.
Discordant amongst the shrieks of the children are the shrill calls of Tod Browning's - Duck-lady's quacks.
The Oches freaks have come to die again and again, in the presence of community they have an obsessive Love-hate relation with.
Word verification; dises

TheOpenEye said...

As for TOE's bogus claim that more people would visit this site if it weren't for the childish ravings that spew out from people like Toonces, Mike and TOE and others? Hate to break it to you, TOE, but it's entirely possible to read my blog without clicking on "comments." Though I suspect a great many people DO click on comments just to snicker at the ravings posted therein. I'm sure it's a form of entertainment for them.

Bogus? Really? The problem is that people come to Calhoun's Can(n)ons to project their agenda and their views in the comments section, hence completely undermining the subject matter of your articles. If you write about poetry, Turkeybasterswatch posts a "newsletter" advertising their positions (irrelevant to current events), thus taking the focus away from the blog itself and placing all the focus in the comments. Sadly, this is the truth, like it or not, accept it or not.

This for the Turkeybasters apprentice, the bed-pan changer, a congenital liar who mocks a murdered girl for fun and profit and flaps his mouth about right and wrong, having no life experience whatsoever with "right":

Pedophilia: Generally considered an incurable mental condition. People with pedophilia have fantasies, urges or behaviors that involve illegal sexual activity with children. Some pedophiles are sexually attracted to children only and are not attracted to adults at all. Some pedophiles limit their activity to their own children or close relatives (incest), while others victimize other children. Predatory pedophiles may use force or threaten their victims if they disclose the abuse. Health care providers are legally bound to report such abuse of minors.

To quote the "Dr.": This type of criminal insanity needs to be caught."

It already has.

Sewertoons said...

TOE says to Ann,
"If you write about poetry, Turkeybasterswatch posts a 'newsletter' advertising their positions (irrelevant to current events), thus taking the focus away from the blog itself and placing all the focus in the comments."

So to substitute TOE into his own statement to Ann,
"If you write about poetry, The Open Eye posts a 'posting' advertising his position (irrelevant to current events), thus taking the focus away from the blog itself and placing all the focus in the comments."

So TOE you mean that comments on pedophilia are somehow actually relevant to Ann's posting about the Sewerwatch site. You have not made the case for that anywhere that we can see here. If you cannot prove relevancy to Sewerwatch and the Ponds of Avalon, you are doing exactly what you deride TW for doing, right? Can you follow that logic?

Somehow I think that we will hear, "TW MADE me do it!"

TheOpenEye said...

Bimbotoons!

Thank you for writing me again! Always charmed to hear from someone of your elite stature in the Turkeybasters hierarchy!

What does your criticism of me have to do with sewerwatch???

I said last week that Ann's description of Mark fit you... Now you so unoriginally lift a thought because you have none of you own. You are a paid parrot for sure. Squawk on!

No, obviously the definition of pedophelia does not apply to sewerwatch. However, it does apply to the credibility of someone who lies all the time and thinks he's going to get away with it because he's special. Ain't gonna happen.

I jumped on here because your lies and slander make me sick. Mike's lies and slander make me sick. Richard's lies and slander make me sick. Alon's lies and slander make me sick. It only takes a few rotten apples to ruin a beautiful town, and that's what you've done.

You're just mad at me for pointing it out. That's all. I understand that. You want to be the only ones to spout hate and slanders, as if you've copyrighted it. Well, you'll just have to hate me for hating liars and saying so in my way. No one else dares to do it. I'm proud to hold the line for my community.

It's a shame you don't have your own website. You are just a bunch of adult bullies who hide beyond the blogs but don't have the guts or the mental capacity to lead.

And so you squat here and lie and slander back and forth to throw the town into darkness because that's all you can do. There's not one single person amongst you that has contributed anything more to the community than chaos and confusion and working tirelessly to kick people out of their homes, either through intent or stupidity.

That's why, in reality, nothing you say matters. But you know that already. That's why you squat here.

Mike said...

TOE... you are indeed sick...!! and I doubt anyone on this blog or in Los Osos gave you that illness... You are apparently so completely filled with anguish dealing with your own family's illness, that you are striking out at everyone on all sides... I haven't picked on your son since I came to understand... I do feel sorry for you and your family situation... Good Luck in the future.... Mike

TheOpenEye said...

Good projecting Miserable Mike!!!! Coming from a stain on the community like you, it's a real compliment!!!! And what do your lies and slander have to do with sewerwatch???? Maybe Bimbotoons knows. She's gotta know about something about something besides hate and vengeance, right? I don't think so! But don't take my word for it, sucker. Look it up on Turkeybasters.com, where facts never get in the way of selling TriW into the afterlife.

YOU LOST! That's why you're so filled with hate. Even your beloved county abandoned you! You must still be in post-TriW depression. You need a boost not provided by oxycontin... What are you doing for your next lawsuit? Or are you just a one suit wonder?

Oh, go to sewerwatch. That's where the real story is. Ron's got Pandora in a headlock, Gary's in the garden counting MWH dollars, and she's calling out your name. Run, Mighty Mite, run!!!! And don't trip over your pink shoelaces!!!!

Sewertoons said...

TOE, I do not hate you.

TheOpenEye said...

I have no good reason to trust you, ST. Quite the opposite. Practice what you preach sometime and surprise me. Don't outsource your hate by encouraging Lee Harvey Perlman or Mike Wilkes Booth. To encourage these desperate loners for political gain is to be complicit in promoting violence. If I find you hating by proxy I'd be very disappointed. But this is my experience with your clique. I only know you as violent punks and anti-intellectuals with nothing to say, but reveling in the pain of your neighbors "on the other side." I see no signs of growth or evolution from your group, even after all these years. (Were you an abused child?) So attack me for whoever you imagine I am, I ask for no mercy, but then, as you've noticed, I give none, either.

Churadogs said...

Ah, Shark Jumping, I see. I keep telling you guys ya gotta go home and look into the mirror. (Or go find a psychiatrist or trauma counselor or anger management group, or something)You're all engaged in a pointless but apparently addictive circle-jerk -- round and round, going nowhere. And accomplishing nothing. TOE apparently sees himself as some sort of righteous avenging angel who will expose evildoers to the light of TRUTH and set things right. So he avenges and exposes and . . . . nothing happens. Furious, he doubles down and REALLY exposes and avenges and . . . nothing happens. The community will get a gravity sewer system that, with luck, will cost about what Tri-W would cost, the Los Osos 45 are STILL under edict, the CSD may or may not disappear (bringing joy to some hearts in Mudville),the DA and the AG and the Feds will continue to refuse to look into any of the questionable activities in this and earlier projects, the community will be financially damaged and people will lose their homes and all the people who helped engineer this trainwreck will walk away scot free. And Ron will finish his book, which will be viewed as interesting history.

Meanwhile, the sewer train has left the station and is gathering steam despite all the avenging and exposing. Chugga-chugga-chugga.

As for hijacking this comment section for your addictive rantings, that choice remains strictly with each of you. You CHOOSE what you post here. You can use the section to share and discuss a wide range of ideas, some on topic or off, and create a fun, interesting round-table comment section. Or you can continue to choose to just push your boring pointless rage buttons and keep chewing on each other's ankles. Either way, it will make no difference in the real world.

TheOpenEye said...

Ann,

Good response. I agree with much of it. How could I not? I keen to the peal of the truth bell on Sunday morning. No sense in picking at a few bones -- except one:

As for hijacking this comment section for your addictive rantings, that choice remains strictly with each of you. You CHOOSE what you post here. You can use the section to share and discuss a wide range of ideas, some on topic or off, and create a fun, interesting round-table comment section. Or you can continue to choose to just push your boring pointless rage buttons..."

No, you should CHOOSE what is posted here, not the inmates. By that I mean you'll NEVER find that "fun, interesting roundtable" you paint here because you yourself do not exercise the same CHOICE you extend those who refuse to extend RESPECT TO ALL, regardless of past or present, as a requirement for discussion. Your lassiez faire non-code of conduct has amounted to giving milk and cookies to the walking dead. As town historian, I feel you have an even greater responsibility to correct untruths and affirm facts over fiction, and, yes, administer frontier justice to hysterical histories, blatant hijackings and personal attacks. Lack of all control hasn't worked, obviously. Meanwhile, the years have passed on us, and the "boring pointless rage," lies and personal attacks rage on in the nursery of your warm embrace. The intent of my comment is simply to see Calhoun's Can(n)ons reach fruition as the most open, enjoyable and popular exchange of ideas on the coast. Nothing more. Will that ever happen?

TOE apparently sees himself as some sort of righteous avenging angel who will expose evildoers to the light of TRUTH and set things right.

Not a role I enjoy or relish and not I role I will play here, I promise. At some point you have to understand my hurt and frustration at seeing our friends and neighbors -- yours and mine -- continuously trashed on your site for sport, and no one, intimidated by the bullying, or for whatever reason, be it the excuse of free speech for only the profane, or captured by the perfume of utopian democracy, steps in and stops it in its tracks.

Sewertoons said...

Oh, you mean Ann should be like aaron, who deletes comments right and left off of his blog - to the point that there is very rarely a posting over there at all anymore?

Alon Perlman said...

(Added comment seeing that TOE is Jamming again: You are only a participant in TOE's Obsession-with reading his own words- You too are lobbing them back and forth. You know it's Ed- no anonymity here. Acknowledge it.)

Started earlier.
Balderdash Ann, wagging the finger is not creating the separation.
Or an altering affect. Toss “us” or just me overboard, but That tar and Those feathers don't stick to me.
You demean yourself, by creating parity between the “outside the pale” posturings of TOE (The Phool, Edward, Joke of the Coasters, Sanddollar and Legion others (or is it “Samers”)) and that of ANY others (addictive rantings or otherwise).

The tone on your blogs Comment section has always been controlled by the same 2 ½ anonymi. Because, no matter how rabid and politically aligned, no others had the NEED TO COMPETE with the Blog itself. As foul as some of the others have been, the trolling, which generates by intention, almost all the “ankle chewing” (and projection), is NOW, a clearly established Oches trademark. Mike is strictly an amateur in that regard. The real life harasser, as you know him to be; Aaron, perfected the “Who, me? I'm about civil discourse” long before Los Osos residency. Can't you tell?

The Move the Sewer movement, in the “Real World”™, fails because it failed to distance from the influences of Al Barrow and Gail McPherson. Gail who correctly identified the failings of the water board, failed to convert into an affective critic, partly due to the naivete of the surround who failed to notice the transition onto whom the “fear tactics” were later directed at. No “self correction” has been the Sibollet of MTS. It would not had been impossible to vacate the CDO's. Gail's folly was to USE the CDO's to attack the PZ itself. So, unfortunately, 83-13 stands. It would had not been impossible to negotiate an alternative sewer either.

So yes, nothing occurring on cyberspace will affect the train. And as for the “penny on the track” efforts regarding the rates and charges, efforts by Al and including by some of my friends?
There is no Plan “B”.
It will be interesting to watch the numbers. Short of half way to half way (Plus one).

The Certified® Al actually participates in Community events, I.E. he showed up to the latest LOCAC Land Use committee, though he argued and attacked Linde, and interrupted with questions that had been already answered. Al Disruptive®. in other words, the typical distractions that year before last earned him a “voluntary” 3 month suspension from attending LOCAC land use meetings.

BUT AT LEAST HE SHOWED UP.

And Toons the “Real person”™ participates in LOCAC Parks and REC Committee, and if she says she doesn’t hate “TOE”, then she doesn't. And Oches Hamish Pozer doesn't get to cut that knot.
And you Ann, are a “Real Person”™ involved in Los Osos and creative activities including non-Sewer.
The burned out Has- been Hollywood Hack, his Mini-me cyber-terrorist uber-nerd, and the Simi Valley Gossip-Gurrl exist as “heroes”, only in the magic Ether world of Los Ochsos. So Phleeeze Ann; Don't demean the people of the real Los Osos, of either seweristic-persuasion, and including yourself, by failing to separate and disassociate participants from pretenders.
There is enough fog and confusion.
There is no Parity.

One more Blog entry before this comment section will slip down into internet archival obscurity

Sewertoons said...

Thank you Alon for voicing an unfairness from Ann that I felt but did not speak. I appreciate your clarity, perception and forthrightness. We all got lumped into one voice when in fact on here there is a chorus of individuals, some civil and on-topic about real events in Los Osos, and some just showing off vast volumes of verbal cleverness, crowding out much else in the post. But maybe Ann was just writing too fast.

Right or wrong, I feel that she might know who TOE is and dialed back from those distinctions out of compassion. Or perhaps it was simply self preservation, although TOE has of late become more provoking and exacting in his criticism of Ann's blog practices, so that strategy hasn't exactly worked. Or perhaps through TOE she lives out the crabby side that we all have but does not want to display regarding political opponents, which is understandable but not so different than political parties that fail to curb their radical factions even if their actions harm the party and the bigger picture. We all wrestle with our baser natures.

And TOE, if you feel the need to call an observation about you by me as an "attack" - that is not what it was intended to be. There is a difference. Although in the heat of emotion it is sometimes hard to distinguish the qualifiers between attack and observation. Our primitive brain simply and rightly IDs "attack."

If you are Ed, I wish that you would remove the TOE mask and let's talk person to person on here. I still like the Ed Ochs I used to talk with and still find the writing skills on the ROCK OF THE COAST, and when he posts on the Razor, as sharp as even even if I disagree. If you are Aaron, please consult your father on how to agree to disagree with someone yet still remain cordial. If you are not Aaron, consult Ed anyway.

TheOpenEye said...

Alon,

As usual, you are dead wrong. You are one of the worst offenders and the leader in personal attacks, as your post above confirms, and you can only try to justify your heinous behavior by playing the victim card. Grow up, coward. Pick on someone your own size, like the the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

It all begins with personal responsibility. Have you atoned for all the lies you spread here, even now, for all the cursing of all those who didn't and don't agree with you, especially women? Absolutely defiantly not. For your years of abuse and intimidation you should be universally condemned and shunned regardless of political view, and basically that's what's happened to you, isn't it? The fact is, you continue to spread lies and slander because you NEED to. It's who you are. You obviously have nothing rational to offer anybody -- just hate-stuffed gibberish from a soulless gutter monkey.

ASK YOURSELF THIS: Why do you think you pulled so few votes for LOCAC, even after speaking at 417 meetings and trolling Farmer's Market for years? Why do you think YOU LOST going away in a landslide???

Is it because you're smart and special???

You attended every single CSD, LOCAC and BOS meeting -- which is your yardstick for being a community contributor, isn't it? -- and yet, for all the meetings you attended, you were booted off LOCAC to silent cheers from even those you thought were your friends?! Why do you "think" that was???

Is it because you're so right and persuasive, so moral and truthful?

The community has heard more than enough of what you have to say and spoken VERY CLEARLY on the subject of "Dr." Perlman, community putz. Now, isn't it way past time you got the message and combusted???? Do it for the good of the community you claim to love. Haven't you embarrassed yourself and Los Osos enough???

I'm sure you haven't. All you have is your hate. If you dropped your hate, you have nothing to replace it. Tell me, is it difficult to find at 51+ that you are just a very lonely, loveless, empty shell whose only role in life is to convince others that you are not the world's biggest loser??? I know what I would do if I were you... Just don't leave a note behind: no one would have a clue what you were talking about.

TheOpenEye said...

"on here there is a chorus of individuals, some civil and on-topic about real events in Los Osos"

LOL! Are you implying that you are simply one of the "chorus" of civil, on-topic types, you and Mike and Richard of Turkeybasterswatch??? Come on!!! You're not kidding anybody but yourself!!!!

Ann ranked you and me and Mike as ravers... Why do you think she included you? Her hand slipped on the keyboard????

Why do you insist on acting dumb... You are just acting, aren't you...?

Alon Perlman said...

Strange... Some glitch has caused the front page of the Blog to compress and streach into an "Event horizon", this eve.

Sewertoons said...

Yeah, the whole left side with all of the articles just vanished! It was just a green bar for hours. Very odd.

Churadogs said...

TOE sez:"No, you should CHOOSE what is posted here, not the inmates."

This is the whine of a child who can't control himself. Or a mentally disturbed compulsive who needs a keeper. Mommy, Mommy, tell me what to do and say.

TOE, you are an adult. I'm going to presume you're not mentally impaired, or in the throws of some uncontolable compulsion or addiction. You alone are responsible for what you post here. If you can't control yourself, that's your problem. If you get too stupid, I'll have to start dumping your comments. But I am neither your mommy nor your policeman.

So, Grow up.

TheOpenEye said...

But I am neither your mommy nor your policeman.

Nor a responsible webmaster either, obviously.

Sorry you place yourself above constructive criticism and that you feel a need to turn nasty -- then tell me to grow up. Very hypocritical but typical.

Dump this comment if you feel it's "mentally impaired" or "too stupid" -- or too honest for you.

Churadogs said...

Toe, let me say again, since you're missing the point: YOU choose what you write in this space. When you or anyone gets too stupid, I dump your(their) comments. But I am not hovering over you as you type. YOU are alone while you type. Therefore YOU and YOU alone CHOOSE what you write here. If you are not in control of yourself, that's not MY problem, it's yours. If your failure to control yourself in this space gets too stupid, I dump you. But that does not change the issue, which is YOU; your choices, your words, your behavior. It's all in your hands . . . literally.

The Razor said...

The comments I've seen for the past week are unacceptable. I just read this section today.

Sorry, Ann, but I'm going to have to call you out.