Is That A Morph or Memorex?
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Nicely slightly slanted history...as told by Linde Owen, and Piper Reilly...??? You have got to be kidding...
...but back to today, when is the Public going to be told the whole story of the PZLDF stealing money from the District via the bogus "Agreement" with the Chuck/Lisa/Julie CSD....????
C'mon Ann, your signature is on that failed lawsuit... Why can't you tell the truth about the bogus "Agreement"....???? PZLDF never intended to pay Ms.Sullivan's fee... You all conspired to have the CSD pay the monthly billing, no questions asked... That's lying Ann and you know it...!!!! Before trying to put out a BS story about how the various levels of government have conspired to force a sewer down Los Osos's throat, how about looking in your mirror and try to be honest for once....???? Maybe your unbiased friend in Santa Margarita could try being honest one time in his life....????
Where's the money Ann...???? Why do you continue to hide the truth....??????????????
Mike
Why attack the messenger? Could it be that you don't want to hear the subject topic?
Yesterday is history.
I love Los Osos and would like to see a park constructed at the TriW site rather than a sewer plant.
I guess that makes me one of the "crazy" ones often referred to in this sewer location debate.
But I'm here for the long term and have invested everything in a business "downwind" of the TriW location.
Many other businessmen have openly objected to the location like Carlocks (bakery) but most are silent for understandable reasons.
Just think how nice it would be to have a beautiful park right accross from our community center.
It just makes good sense, not just for us but also for our children and grand-children.
Why not have BOTH and hold back development....??? You want your grandkids to drive thru the SLO City suburb that used to be LO Valley Ag Land...??? Maybe just another Orange County...???
If the sewer farm ends up out in Los Osos Valey, there will be subdivisions and no Ag Land... but, maybe that's your dream...
...but why aren't you angry that the few PZLDF lawsuit signers who stole money out of your pocket...and now won't even raise their heads... Did they get any kickbacks from the CSD...???
Sorry FogSwamp, you are to be commended for investing in this community... but... you are also wrong about any wind driven smell, but perfaps you are used to the smells from the trailer park and Cuesta-by-the Sea... You see, as much as Lisa and Julie liked to play up that enuendo, the Tri-W WWTF did have gaseous filtration... You must like being lied to... the CSD5 certainly lied about a whole like of things to cover their financial dealings... They did nothing to help this community.....!!!!!! They lied and they stole....!!!!!
..and the theft is still a sore spot... we can thank the PZLDF for the latest theft... The smell you perceive is still rising from the CSD5 and PZLDF....!!!!!!
First off,
Why are all the responses to Ron here? Could it be that his willingness to delete comments that he finds too challenging to deal with makes people reluctant to have any discussion at sewerwatch?
Second and far more importantly, the cover-up as Ron calls it was pretty clearly reported in the newspapers at the time ... aspects of the ponding system originally proposed during the campaign to form the CSD was deemed inadequate for one reason by regulatory bodies and the design needed to be changed to conform to their requirements...
I can just imagine Ron some 8 years from now writing about the stealth campaign of to change the County plan from the concept design they proposed for the Tonini property to whatever it ends up being.
I think the issue here is that either Ron doesn't think the RWQCB/SWRCB/CCC/USFWS and the Army Corps or even unknown realities should be allowed to change the design. Either that, or he believes that people running a campaign should know, in advance, all of what will happen during their term in office and should tell us, in advance, the way they'll handle each of these situations.
Either way, Ron is missing his follow-up article about how Julie, Lisa, Chuck and Steve promised us one thing when running for office and then didn't deliver. They should be held to the same standard as other leaders in our town by various folks commenting on our plight.
Gee, if people today are "terrified of liquefaction" - where were they when the idea of giant ponds hovered above their properties? Where was the protest then? Can't you imagine a giant quake and millions of gallons of water in various grades of cleanliness washing them and their houses right into the bay - yet nary a peep!
Mike
Crap does stink. That's a given in most adult minds.
Wind does in fact drive smell downwind. That's a given also.
You are right, I do want development. We have around 800 lots that folk have owned for god knows how long (including me)and they should be given the courtesy to build on them.
It would also create jobs for our local starving builders, even for architects.
I don't believe we should pull up the ladder because we got ours.
Fogswamp,
I believe that Mike was referring to the development of properties outside the urban reserve line for Los Osos, development. A 200 home development on 30 acres would not be approved without a treatment plant online.
I rather doubt that Mike has any issue with PZ property holders building once a sewer designed to meet their needs is online.
Thanks Shark... I have no issue with developing within LO... not a whole lot of room for the mega-subdivisions "in-town", although if Edwards could ever get someone to finance him again.... anyway, don't see a the 5000 home subdivisions within Los Osos the Town...
...but build the WWTF outside our sort of prohibition zone/area/what-ever, and we'll soon see housing all the way from Foothill Blvd to the cemetary... and don't tell us that couldn't happen... just think how much Property Tax could be generated in short order... you think SLO County/City hasn't already made some rough projections...???? It would pay off a very large sewer plant in a short time....
..but as the newest convert to the "Let's move the sewer out of town"... let's do it, if enough new homes (20,000 to 50,000 projected) get built soon enough, our sewer bills will be much lower... so let's all get behind the move and let the housing and box stores, Nastymento Water and the many new parks begin...!!!!!!!!
Shark is right - I know I don't want to post over on Sewerwatch.
On a brighter note, at the Supes today, County Counsel put to rest the Lisa/Gail allegations of wrongdoing on the part of Paavo and MWH. You can bet Warren Jensen went over those documents with a fine-toothed comb. And guess what - (gee, BIG surprise) NOTHING THERE. NOTHING.You would think that maybe accusations like that might be filtered through an attorney before putting them out there in public, so as not to look utterly foolish in case you are wrong? (Maybe Shaunna was too busy?)
It is sometimes embarrassing to tell people that you live in Los Osos.
Oh, I forgot to add - if there was anything that could have been found by the multitudes combing over LOCSD documents (including lawyers) regarding ANY illegality by MWH during Lisa's reign as President - gee, don'tcha think that there would have been a lawsuit instigated by the LOCSD against MWH?????
It is lame and pathetic to put lies out there now to see if something would stick. Clearly there is nothing some people won't do to try to take back the power - the power that they LOST due to their own ineptness.
Hi Sewertoons,
It was a very good moment to see Bruce hand Lisa her head over her corruption charges. What a vindictive old witch! As in 'I screwed up, so I'm going to throw the blame elsewhere.' I know Paavo can't sue them for defamation, but MWH could and should. May be too small potatoes for the to bother, though.
Mike
I doubt very much that we will see any ag land converted to large housing developments outside of town in the next century.
It's even going to an uphill costly venture to develop our existing lots.
Build the plant out of town while Obama still has his money printing plant working overtime.
Then get Pandora to work on our park again. She did a good job on the skate park didn't she?
Vindictive old witch, eh? What does that make you, alabamasue?
Sorry Friend... I wouldn't bet on that... The City and the County need Tax Dollars... Obama's printing press is only going to go so far (so far I haven't seen any incentives, have you?) and then we are all going to be paying more taxes than we ever thought possible... but the good news is Ron Crawford is going to write an expose on the FDR's New Deal and how Pandora was the Director of Parks...
...the small amount of farming in terms of economic value (taxes to County) in the Los Osos Valley is being looked at as we chat.... Houses and Property Tax are much, much more profitable to the County than the few remaining boutique farms... One Home Depot plaza out our way would generate more tax in one year than all the farms along the valley... Besides, we need to bring in water and abandon those polluted wells... We really need a desalt plant and forget any injection wells to push back the salt, let's just desalt through our own polluted aquifers...
I'm guessing there will be around 20,000 to 50,000 new homes by the end of 2099... How much tax revenue will that generate....???
AlabamaSue... MWH is a very large corporation... There has already been words back to the Corporate Office... Be patient... Lisa has stepped on too many toes... her turn is coming...
Mike,
More threats from Mike. Wow.
No, MWH better watch out now. Eyes are watching.
Eyes are watching Paavo too.
How much did you receive from MWH Richard?
Aaron, it is clear that Lisa was playing fast and loose. It was negligent of her at the very LEAST to come up with accusations and allegations that were not going to stick - especially since she had access to these documents for years and did nothing with them even when MWH WAS SUING THE LOCSD - Hello!!!
So that makes her either stupid, blind to her lack of discernment and lack of power, or gullible, if it was someone else's idea to go forward with this attack.
Calling her a witch is pretty kind, actually.
Mike
There won't be any land left for houses because the proposed Salinan Indian Casino project on LOV road will need 1000 acres!!!!
No threat GRO... but how are your meds holding out...??? You and I will be come great bud's now that I've joined the "let's move the sewer" movement... Just think GRO, with all the new development as soon as the out of town sewer is under construction, there will soon be a shinny new medical center for you instead of having to go all the way to SLO Town... and you'll have all the Nastymento water you can drink....
Yup, no threats here ol' buddy....
COOL.... I love Indian Casino's....!!!!!!
This is great getting on your side... I love development...!!!!!!
It is a shame that most of the Los Osos town center retailers will probably fail with all the WalMart, K-Mart, Lowe's, Home Depot Big Box stores coming in... but don't you just love the development planning... Maybe we'll get some economical motels and even a couple golf courses....
I gotta hand it to the CSD5, they really set LO up to grow....!!!!!
The allegations regarding MWH do hold water.
I think the County doesn't want to investigate because Paavo Ogren has played such an integral role in the process that any internal investigation would jeopardize the project's foundation.
Counsel is going through the motions of denying the charges just as any corporation would deny any wrongdoing upon first hearing about any allegations about them.
When the Enquirer broke the story about Democrat senator John Edwards having an affair with videographer Rielle Hunter, Edwards denied any wrongdoing until the investigation got deeper. Then the evidence was overwhelming and he had to publicly admit to the affair.
So if you're going to say the allegations didn't stick solely based on one person's findings (in this case, County counsel), then you're inherently naive.
I wouldn't hazard a guess as to what MWH might do...they are a rather large company with large resources as well as expertise... and you have to admit that Lisa has been more than outspoken and less than civil in her "allegations"...
...she also already has an up-coming date with one judge over her "actions"... I wouldn't use the word "affairs" as that is reserved for someone far more befitting...
Tell us Aaron, what is your take on why we haven't received an accounting of the "agreement" twixt PZLDF and CSD...??? Why so silent....???? The community got screwed...is there any recourse...???
Maybe you should apply that label to yourself. Besides what you or I think is immaterial. County Counsel knows a great deal more about this than either you or I, and neither of us even holds a law degree, right?
Do you think that County Counsel would jeopardize the entire project on the fantasy that there wouldn't be upcoming lawsuits? Do you think the 15 prior lawsuits on Tri-W were not studied? Do you think that every angle for a lawsuit wasn't investigated? Do you think all this wasn't known to the County prior to Paavo heading up this project? Do you really think all this stuff wasn't thought about until Lisa waltzed in with a sheaf of papers?
This doesn't compare to Edwards. Are you equating Lisa's "information" to the Enquirer breaking a story? There is no overwhelming "evidence" in this case. Are you implying you know someone who is going to bring a lawsuit on this issue?
If the MWH allegations held water, the CSD would have used it against them ages ago before the bankruptcy.
Mike, I don't have the answer for you. I'm not a member of PZLDF nor am I on the LOCSD nor do I communicate with the parties involved.
Lynette,
You know there are both sides to the story. If you're going to believe Jensen without looking at the other side of the coin or leave the benefit of the doubt, then yes, you're inherently naive.
You can say, "I trust the County and the process," but if that's the only source you trust, then it's just another case of "see no evil, hear no evil."
I don't believe that many people expected that Montgomery Watson-Harza, given its past history with Los Osos and their pending litigation with the LOCSD, would make it to the shortlist. That's why MWH hasn't been brought up until now, but you're right in a sense that it should have been brought up a long time ago.
It's a real close shave.
There is nothing to bring up or it would have been. The Lisa CSD was looking at anything they could find to go after MWH.
Both sides of the story doesn't mean there is a side with a viable lawsuit. Story? Sure, there's that all right.
Two words: Cape Coral.The San Luis Obispo DA has said the backdating of the MWH contracts was illegal.
There is nothing to bring up or it would have been.Montgomery Watson-Harza has unclean hands. If you don't see that or acknowledge the remote possibility that maybe they're not the "knight in shining armor" that the County portrays them as, then you are inherently naive.
Paavo said he was going to get a conflict waver from MWH. Did he get one? I haven't seen it. If there is one, send a link my way and I'd love to take a look at it.
Who says that they are a knight in shining armor? They are a large corporation - and like any large corporation, they are going to get sued. The CSD, a small governmental entity got sued - 15 times in trying to do the last project. Now multiply that by MWH. BFD.
Show me the legal document that is court ready by the DA. You can't. Time has run out. Ho-hum. Guess it wasn't a very big deal then, was it? And the purpose to try to make it a big deal now? You guess.
Why don't you ask Paavo - since you are interested.
Could what's coming down with the Bruce Buell and Paavo matter be called "damage control"?
Mike - I'm not on meds. You discredit yourself and your message immensly when you attack that way. End of sermon.
Your growth out of town spin doesn't hold water.
With the present day drought and water shortage it would be a long and costly uphill battle to convert 30 acres from ag to residential.
Toonces asks:"Gee, if people today are "terrified of liquefaction" - where were they when the idea of giant ponds hovered above their properties? Where was the protest then? Can't you imagine a giant quake and millions of gallons of water in various grades of cleanliness washing them and their houses right into the bay - yet nary a peep!"
Which ponds are you talking bout, the County's pre CSD plan to put dispoasl ponds/leachfields up above Broderson? Folks DID have a cow over those. It was one of the arguments Better/Faster/Cheaper used to get the CC to hold off on the permit and allow the formation of the CSD. Or the Tri-W plans for "discharge/recharge" at Broderson, whose original discharge amount did cause a squawk and so today that amount planned has been greatly reduced? Or are you talking bout the Ponds of Avalon at the Tri-W site?
Inlet sez:"A 200 home development on 30 acres would not be approved without a treatment plant online."
Didn't the CC's letter make it clear that the sewer would only get a permit if it's sized to ONLY serve the number of folks IN the PZ, and that limit is deliberately set in order to prevent any development outside the PZ?
Mike sez:"...but build the WWTF outside our sort of prohibition zone/area/what-ever, and we'll soon see housing all the way from Foothill Blvd to the cemetary..."
Mike, did you read the same letter I mention above, the one from the CC? Did anybody read that CC as anything BUT a warning shot across the bow, to ensure the sizing of the plant would ONLY serve the PZ and would NOT be available to anyone outside the PZ?
Toonces sez:"multitudes combing over LOCSD documents (including lawyers) regarding ANY illegality by MWH during Lisa's reign as President - gee, don'tcha think that there would have been a lawsuit instigated by the LOCSD against MWH?????"
Uh, I think the back-dated MWH contract took place during the previous, pre-recalled Board? (Paavo was interim GM and Bruce had just been hired) Also, I think there is a cross complaint "instigated by the LOCSD against MWH" that's frozen in the bankruptcy. Once the bankruptcy get's "unfrozen," I expect the new board will kill that cross complaint off immediately, so we'll never know what the outcome of that would have been.
And now for the real funny stuff:
First, Inlet sez: "Why are all the responses to Ron here? Could it be that his willingness to delete comments that he finds too challenging to deal with makes people reluctant to have any discussion at sewerwatch?"
So then
Toonces said:"Shark is right - I know I don't want to post over on Sewerwatch."
Then "Alabama sue sez:"It was a very good moment to see Bruce hand Lisa her head over her corruption charges. What a vindictive old witch!"
While Aaron sez: "Vindictive old witch, eh? What does that make you, alabamasue?"
Then Toonces sez:""Calling her a witch is pretty kind, actually"
Aw Gawd. Doesn't get much better than this. First, I recall Ron saying he used to allow comments but when regular "creepy people" kept showing up to personally attack one another with grade school stupidities and name calling, he got tired of the idiocy and shut off the comment section. While I've threateded to 86 some of the more blatantly stupid of you commentors,(and did ask one particularly ugly "anonymous" to go away) I've kept the comment section open and the above exchanges by some of you pots and kettles is one reason why. People in and out of Los Osos really need to read this stuff. In a previous post I spoke about the "voice" that always come through loud and clear. That "voice" is really important for people to hear.
Aaron sez:"The allegations regarding MWH do hold water."
As I've noted before, something is illegal ONLY when a DA somewhere decides it is illegal. There is no doubt Buel back dated the contract. His letter concerning that makes it clear that's what he was told to do, did and wrote all that down in a letter. So, the FACT is not in dispute. What's in dispute is what the FACT means. Back dating a contract is, I presume, illegal (so sayeth the DA in his letter)or may invalidate the contract, (if done by civillian agents?)or may violate various Engineering Organizaitons Rules of Ethics,(resulting in expulsion from the group or a hand slap?) or violate state standards or something (??), BUT until someone actually decides to enforce any law/rules that apply, nothing will be done, except damage control, hope the statute of limitations runs out, give the Big Shrug, shoot a few messengers, and/or kill off any possible lawsuits & etc.
As I also noted in a previous comment, the rules/law may say you have to look at something, but it does not require you SEE it or DO anything about it. The Great Shrug is ALWAYS in play in The Real World that is Chinatown.
Fogswamp sez of Mike:"Mike - I'm not on meds. You discredit yourself and your message immensly when you attack that way. End of sermon."
Mike also makes stuff up then using his made up stuff, ramps up into bizarre Yosemite Sam rageaholic, ad hominem rants, which, as you say, discredits himself very nicely indeed while signaling to anyone with a lick of sense that whatever argument he's trying to make just went down the hopper. Yep, end of sermon is right.
Ann,
Yes, I am really thankful that the CCC essentially told the County that they will not approve of any sewer plant which could be expanded to serve homes outside the Los Osos urban reserve line. Without that protection there is no telling what the County would do to push for extra tax revenue.
On the issue of Ron and his choices ... it is not exactly true that Ron has only banished loud and obnoxious people. He seems to be selectively deleting comments from me and Richard (and who knows, really) which ask him tough questions which presumably he doesn't want to answer and he doesn't want people to see him not answering. In short, censorship. It most certainly is within his right to make this choice, but it speaks volumes to both his integrity and the soundness of his position.
Ann wrote:
"First, I recall Ron saying he used to allow comments but when regular "creepy people" kept showing up to personally attack one another with grade school stupidities and name calling, he got tired of the idiocy and shut off the comment section. "
"Creepy people?" Yes. Comment section off? No.
All I did was 86 ONE anonymous... errrr... thing, for scurrying around on other people's blogs, like a little rat, and then publicly calling me a "liar"... anonymously.
Absolutely disgusting.
That thing was 86'd from SewerWatch because, if it's not asking too much, I really don't need to be reminded, several times a day, on my own blog, how disgusting human nature can be.
So, to summarize, the comments are on at SewerWatch, however, almost all of you anonalosers make me sick, so, IF you post, there's a very good chance that I'm going to give you a punishment session, like I gave Richard recently... which I enjoyed the hell out of.
Thanks for the link, Ann.
Here are the posts that Ron deleted from his bogsite.
-R
PRIOR POSTS ON THIS STRING PENNED BY 'SHARKINLET' THAT HAVE BEEN DELETED BY RON CRAWFORD
“Yep, less than an hour later, Ron strikes again ... deleting my comments.
Boy it's fun tying him down to his computer ... keeping him from doing anything ... in fear that I might make a comment.
Ron must be really really threatened that my crystal-clear-laser comments have revealed him to be a total fraud ... claiming that a $250/month County plan is cheaper than a $200/month LOCSD plan ... now there might be a reasonable explanation for this but Ron, the crack journalist doesn't seem to be able to figure it out because, after all, he hasn't offered up any explanation for how $250 is less than $200.
Perhaps somehow he thinks that ignoring me and deleting my comments is wiser than responding because he doesn't have a reasonable response.”
April 17, 2009
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"My goal is to ... DEFEAT the truth by censoring SharkInlet." -- Ron Crawford, April 18, 2009
2:26 PM, April 18, 2009
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Ron,
“Every time you censor others unnecessarily you lose a part of your soul.”
5:57 PM, April 18, 2009
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PRIOR POSTS ON THIS STRING PENNED BY 'RICHARD LEGROS' THAT HAVE BEEN CHILDISHLY DELETED BY RON CRAWFORD
"Ron,
LOL!
Gee...all that you have blogged just shows how concerned folks were about the anticipated actions of the recall Board when they got around to killing the Tri-W Project.
Nothing sinister, nothing conspiratorial; or even remotely approaching illegal either.
Just folks frustrated over the nonsense about to result from the recall. Anyone sane person seeing years of hard work and millions of dollars squandered by a group of fools would be frustrated and behave the same way too.
AS for Pandora touting a new group called Taxpayers Watch, so what? Since that post...and to this date.... she is not a member, does not offer any support to TW; or take part in any TW strategic planning either.
In short Ron, you post nothing but gibberish.
Lastly, I see you are deleting my posts now too! LOL, such a guy!"
11:24 AM, April 19, 2009
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“LOL!
Ron, your one wild and crazy guy!
All your hyperbole is about nothing!. Zip! Ziltch, Nada! Nyet!
Your story is nothing but a fantasy composed of bits and pieces of innuendo, assumptions about the motivations of others based upon fragments of emails, handouts, whatever you could find to hobble together a story.
HOWEVER, you have also excluded all contrary information that shows that you fantasy is a fabrication!....as all fantasies are. LOL
-R
2:17 PM, April 19, 2009
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LOL,
Ron is such a baby that he cannot stand being questioned and called out.
Poor Ron….Shark Inlet and I are such meanies! LOL
9:58 AM, April 20, 2009
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LOL Ron.
Your deleting those irritating posts by me and Sharkinlet just because you hate what we opine on your blog site make you look very small; and akin to your saying ‘but it’s my web site, so there! La la la……I don’t wanna hear you guys because you soooo mean to me…la la la!’
SERIOUSLY Ron, all you are showing that folks cared about the silliness that the post recall board was going to do. You know….the recall boards intent to kill a legal and permitted project, toss aside over $20,000,000 invested by the community and that would have cost less than $200 per month for a nonexistence alternative!
You also conveniently forget that the State has the legal right and responsibility to enforce the law and punish those that try to avoid it. Regardless of what Pandora said or did, she had absolutely no impact on the States behavior….the State didn’t need her input at all!
Shark is right….how you think that a future project that will cost us more has saved us money over the last project is amazing.
Yep, you’re one amazing guy!
11:42 AM, April 20, 2009
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I can play your stupid game all day Ron; especially because you are such a pouty little blog master.
Ron is playing ‘IT’S MY web site, you nasty person you…so there!’
12:33 PM, April 20, 2009
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LOL!
Being as dumba** is very easy for you, isn't it Ron?
LOL!
So what if folks supported my election in 2002. THOUSANDS did...why not name them all for us?
LOL!
We all know the Solution Group was wrong when they 'deep-sixed' the County Plan.
LOL!
We all know that the CSD5'deep sixed' the Tri-W project; yet you do not bother to focus on the damage that the CSD5 wrought on the community; which was financially much more sever than what the Solution Group did!
No Ron, you are just a silly dumba** braying drunkenly at nothing.
1:35 PM, April 20, 2009
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RaRaRaRon,
And who made you God of Censorship?
AS TO REPOSTING PAST POSTS....THEY ARE ALL NEW TO THE READER AS YOU HAVE DELETED THEM ALL. LOL
Meanwhile you yak and yak and do not show anything remotely approaching improper/illegal behavior....just your OPINION that you do not like or understand what folks did.
Do you really think that if the CSD5 found ANY evidence of illegal behavior by prior CSD boards that they would not have immediately filed lawsuits against those boards?; and got the DA and the AG to file criminal charges as well?
The CSD5 tried. They tore the CSD apart into itty-bitty pieces and could not find ONE event or fact that backs up any of their/your allegations. They went as far as to use only allegation when they filed complaints to the EPA, the AG, the DA, other organizations regarding the contractors;
THE RESULT OF ALL THAT MOTION....ALL OF THE COMPLAINTS WERE FOUND TO BE WITHOUT FACT AND DECLINED. The CSD5 (and you too Ron) never have understood that ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT FACTS.
Being true to your awarding-whining 'journalistic' integrity you do not bother to report THESE FACTS as they get in the way of your fantasy. LOL
True to your award-whining analysis you have yet to explain just how the County's more expensive project has saved Los Osos Time and Money.
True to your award-whining investigative prowlessness you fail to explain how the recent letter by the CCC to the County; in which they basically tell the County that the CCC sees the Tri-W Project as the WWTP gold-standard TO WHICH THE COUNTY'S PROJECT MUST EQUAL OR BETTER, backs up your past gleeful pronouncements that the CCC just hated the old project. LOL!
Really Ron, get a grip!
3:47 PM, April 20, 2009
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LOL
All your doing is showing your obsession with your fantasy...and propping it up with nonsensical cheery-picked quips and quotes taken out of context......or worse yet using your own quotes from your own 'stories' You would not win any debates based upon this sort of behavior, Ron
4:15 PM, April 20, 2009
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Ron,
Thanks for realizing you were being an unreasonable a**.
-R
As you can well see in the LOCAC Vision Team roster (which you posted) there were many more Los Osos citizens other than just Pandora or Gary involved in LOCAC; all of whom represented a huge cross section of the community. Agreement was reached amongst all of them as they formulated the VISION STATEMENT. That Vision Statement became the guiding force behind the SOC; both of which are a valid reflection of the desires of Los Osos.
Any court of law would find that for Los Osos to base a SOC upon the Vision Statement as a valid basis for the SOC.
To date, you have not offered up any facts or evidence that refutes what I have posted on this matter; nor offered any facts or evidence that the Vision Statement was flawed or not representative of the community’s desires.
You cannot undo history Ron....the community had clearly spoken through it's LOCAC leaders as to how they wished Los Osos to develop; as reflected in the LOCAC Vision Statement and subsequent SOC.
Meanwhile, you yet again avoid current events by:
1. Not even attempting to address the County's SOC.
2. Not even attempted to address the CCC letter to the County; nor responded to my post as to the letter's meaning and affect on the County's WWTP (as posted above.)
Time to get out of the past Ron and get with the program.
-R
10:27 AM, April 21, 2009
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Ron,
We all know what your OPINION is about the SOC.
However, to date you have yet to provide valid facts and/or reasons validating your OPINION showing that:
1. Why the LOCAC VISION STATEMENT, as written by a large cross section of Los Osos leaders over a period of years at dozens of public meetings, was not representative of the community’s desires for the development of Los Osos.
2. Why basing the SOC upon the LOCAC Vision Statement makes the SOC invalid.
3. Why a judicial court would invalidate the SOC.
Just cut and pasting quips and quotes….many of them your own from past blogs or stories you have written, from sources that you can not verify, or quotes/data taken out of context, do not suffice as FACTS Ron.
Also, your avoidance of critical FACTS that are contrary to your opinion does not bode well as to the validity of your opinion either.
ON another note, in the past you have belabored the fact that the CSD formed a SOC; and have insinuated that somehow the formulation of an SOC is improper behavior. Yet here we are today with a County-composed SOC and not one peep out of you.
Hmmmmmmm
Lastly, you show not one bit of interest that the CCC letter has shown that your opinion that the CCC hated Tri-W was incorrect. It can be argued by the content of that letter that the CCC is gently pushing the County to reactive Tri-W too. Yet not one peep out of you.
Hmmmmmmm
-R
12:52 PM, April 21, 2009
Update...Ron Crawford just deleted 2 more posts from his blogsite. One by me and the other by SharkInlet!
LOL...Ron is sooooo very pouty today!
Ron,
Not only was your comment rude and unnecessary (it gave little information other than to verify that you've only banned me), it sort of demonstrates that you are practicing exactly the same sort of neener-neener talk that Ann is complaining about.
I've been pretty polite in general and certainly far more so than you ... and yet you've neglected to address some really key questions about the financial issues involved in this discussion. Your choice to tell us that you've saved us money simply made me ask how this could be the case when TriW was less expensive than what the County is now going to provide. There are many many many good answers to this question that don't involve saying "I screwed up". Ron, this question to you is a test of whether you are able to understand the sort of financial considerations necessary to appropriately evaluate a sewer project for Los Osos. In short, if you don't answer, we'll know you are either embarrassed that you were wrong when you said that out of town would be cheaper or that you were not capable of understanding interest rates, inflation, sunk costs and design costs.
No big deal ... continue if you like, as Ann suggests, to demonstrate your character and your over simplistic level of understanding. In fact, I will appreciate it. I will be smiling every time you speak poorly of me because it will remind others that your "take" is simply an opinion which is no backed up by any data.
ps - I wonder if Ron can anywhere dredge up me publicly calling him a liar (as he claims above). I rather doubt it.
However, even if he can, I am sure that any such a statement ... in it's context ... will be crystal clear rock-solid, logic-wise.
Ann's question, "Which ponds are you talking bout…"
Ponds of Avalon.
Responding to Lynette's last message from last night.
First, I would like you to address the Cape Coral issue.
Second, I wanted to state that talking about what is and isn't "viable lawsuit" material is not what I'm discussing.
I've plainly stated that MWH has a previous history with Los Osos and pending litigation with the district and to see MWH on the design-build RFQ shortlist for both collection system and treatment facility, it shows that the County has substantial preference for MWH.
At the Board of Supervisors meeting yesterday, when Paavo Ogren rattled off MWH's qualifications, it just struck me in a way that he's selling MWH instead of assuring the people of Los Osos that there are other contractors beside MWH on the design-build RFQ.
With the backdating contract issue looming over his head, to speak about the wonders of MWH sheds some light on what Gibson has broadly labeled the accusations as "unsubstantiated assertions."
I'm surprised that none of you have said to me, "But what about ARB, Sundst Construction for collection? Auburn and CDM for treatment?" Instead, I find that many of you here have been defending MWH as if they've already been sole-sourced by the County. That's not exactly encouraging a fair, competitive design-build process.
When you say, "Time is up," it makes me wonder whether you're talking about the statute of limitations or that you have inside information about the County choosing MWH. Then again, you're assuming that I'm trying to pursue something with them. I'm just laying the facts out on the table.
Thanks Richard for your re-posting. And to both you and Shark for keeping us all in the loop. Not only does ron simply recycle old stuff which is boring, but he removes the interesting posts from you and Shark - too much competition as to writing I guess, and embarrassing questions that he has dug himself into too deep of a hole to answer. Poor,sad ron.
Something just came to mind.
Ron seems to be deeply offended by me calling him on his crap. In particular, he seems most offended by the use of the word "lie" or "liar" (which I still contend was very reasonable in context and only someone who has reading comprehension problems would misunderstand as Ron did) ... yet in the very same day that Ron whines about my use of the word "liar", he uses the very same word about Pandora and the LOCSD (pre-2005 of course ... he has nary a word to say about anything since 2004).
What can we make of this?
Either Ron is very willing to use as a weapon language which he considers offensive when applied to him ... or ... Ron actually believes his connect-the-dots thing is actually logical (and believes that my questions about finances are somehow out-of-bounds). Either way, Ron is clearly a doofus worthy of having Mark as an acolyte.
'toons sez;
"On a brighter note, at the Supes today, County Counsel put to rest the Lisa/Gail allegations of wrongdoing on the part of Paavo and MWH. You can bet Warren Jensen went over those documents with a fine-toothed comb."
What else would you expect from the County Consul? After all, he can't make his boss look bad. He's drawing from that same blank check you gave the BOS.
As for the "fine toothed comb"...there must be a few "teeth" missing or else he is a bad lawyer who needs a course in remedial reading and an understanding of Sate and Federal law! Oh yes, it might help if he read the Constition (State and Federal)...providing he can understand what LAWS are.
The BOS rely on folks like you and just ignore alot of stuff they don't like to be held accountable.
'toons sez;
"The Lisa CSD was looking at anything they could find to go after MWH."
You are overlooking one little point and are forgetting a little history.
Lawsuits (sueing, like)cost MONEY!
If you were paying attention (which is doubtful), Stosh, Richy and Gordy left the coffers pretty empty....besides committing the CSD to a STARTED BEFORE THE RECALL ELECTION FAULTY, ILLEGAL project.
MIKE....I am puzzled by your not too well thought out responses.
First, you are whinning about the loss of AG land, then you turn around for big developement. So, which do you want....if you know what you want, other than seeing Lisa punished.....FOR DOING HER JOB!!!!
Mike sez;
"Tell us Aaron, what is your take on why we haven't received an accounting of the "agreement" twixt PZLDF and CSD."
Not trying to speak for Aaron (or anybody), but I'd like to but in and say, BECAUSE YOUR AG DOESN'T AUDIT ANYTHING that involves doing something useful. Remember the CSD asking for an audit, way back when??? Never happened did it. Then we come to the Grand Jury that Ann queried; "To busy" was her answer. Just face it, your "legal" system in SLO County sucks....your County, also...BIG TIME!
Nice to have internet access again "franc" isn't it?
Wow, this string starts may five and is still getting comments on may 12, way to go, Ann 113 comments on your next post, and growing.
I applaud the Ochs's dedication to the monkey Harza reporting, but I just happen to beleive myself capable of discerning (due to the popularity of texus hold-um on TV), when a county council is and when he is not sweating bullets. and while a public works director's waving of an achievement plackard (Sp) was just ever so slightly over the top, it did demonstrate that he did come to the meeting prepered (or if grabbed it on break , still a good handling)
But what this is really all about is a choice to challange a standing supervisor and chair as to the use of time that the people's duly elected representative (being, that same supervisor and chair) is legally entitled to designate.
And yes Aaron even at times that I don't bother using a spellchecker, I do try to leyer my messages in these virtual forums. This is not a newspaper.I think of it as poetry,
Get hep, cat, go read it again.
I am simply concerned in that you two fine gentlemen are succumbing to the allure of yellow reportage.
because if the member of public had access to speech specific to los osos and chose instead to speak a few moments later, when the supervisor had shut the proceedings to los osos speech then subject is moot. If the Speeking slip states only "General comment" and "process" than all is as it should be in this world.
leave your writ of Nolo Contende with the receptionist on your way out.
I havn't revisited the video, but Ive checked some sources and I think I'm done. Please raise the level of your game, you are better than this.
Ltnette,
It will "be nice" when you cop to the "sorry, I forgot his last name", thingy...
Rest assured, I don't mind asking as long as you don't.
Lynette,
It will "be nice" when you cop to the "sorry, I forgot his last name", thingy...
Rest assured, I don't mind asking as long as you don't.
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