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Wednesday, November 05, 2008

Tradition! Tradition!

It’s nice to see, with this “change” election, that the Tribune is still up to their old tricks: Headline for the LOCSD winners, “Kelly, Ochylisky back county plan for Los Osos,” like the other CSD candidates didn’t? Yep, same old spin. To the winners of the CSD, congratulations! You have my deepest sympathies. For the poor citizens of Los Osos, I will continue to keep my fingers crossed. And to all the candidates who ran, my thanks.

Tradition! Tradition!

As of this morning, the Gay Marriage Initiative was still not called, though I won’t hold my breath. Irony of ironies, the Tribune reports that “blacks strongly voted for the ban,” which is sad. Black people, who know first hand the evil done when some citizens are treated to second class status, nevertheless voted to keep some of their fellow citizens in those second class, back of the bus seats. That’s really too bad.

The L.A. Times reported that while polling seemed to favor the No vote, “Perhaps more powerfully, the Proposition 8 campaign also seized on the issue of education, arguing in a series of advertisements and mailers that children would be subjected to a pro-gay curriculum if the measure was not approved.” Never mind that Superintendent of Schools, Jack O’Connell, went on the air to say that was a lie. Waste of time because one can never underestimate the power of the big lie. Or hypocrisy either. Or fear, or ignorance, or bigotry. Mix all those in with religion, and it’s always a step backward.

And not answered in many of the ads is this: Don’t all the religious groups financing the Yes on 8 campaign believe that lying is a sin?

Yet to be seen is what now happens to the thousands of gay couples who are legally married. Will the state force them to get “divorced?” Will they be kept in some legal museum somewhere? Will we end up with three classes of citizens? Straight Marrieds, Gay Marrieds and Constitutionally Not Allowed To Marry Gay Folks? Will somebody sue in federal court? Is that where this is all headed?

UnTradition! UnTradition!

Chickens now get a better shake than gay folks. Hmm, fairer, more humane treatment for chickens, but back of the bus to gay people. Hmmmm. One step forward, one back. Wait, that IS Tradition! Tradition!


Tradition! Tradition!

American voters changed leaders as they are allowed to do every few years and did so very traditionally -- without tanks in the streets. But this time, it was a time for Untradition: For the first time, a U.S. president who isn’t a white male. Amazing.

Some notes:

--Obama’s daughter’s will now get a new puppy when they move into the White House. Let’s hope they set a tradition and adopt one from a local animal shelter?

--At the McCain’s modest sized farewell rally, McCain mentioned Obama and his crowd BOOOOOOED. Obama mentioned McCain at his enormous rally and his crowd applauded. That spoke volumes about character and karmic wheels. McCain’s farewell address seemed a return to the old McCain, the man before he sold his soul to Karl Rove in his lust for the White House. Had the “old” McCain not sold his soul, it’s just possible he could have won. Irony again.

--The ghost of Martin Luther King was evoked in Obama’s speech, talk of mountaintops and rising and falling as one nation. Yes we can. It was a strange déjà vu of John Kennedy’s election, the same young man with his young family, the same young crowds turning out to vote for the first time, the call to a new generation, a falling away of the old BOOOOOOOers, the old, ugly divisive politics slipping away into the past, the clarion call and challenge to the nation to look forward together. Much work to be done, many sacrifices to be made, but to be made together.

What also kept going through my mind was this: When we, as a nation, look back on this period, how can we possibly ever explain George Bush and all that he stands for? For eight years this nation clung so ferociously to it’s self-created dead zone, sleep walking while our elected officials made torture official, dismissed the rule of law and the courts and “disappeared” suspects into the black hole of Guantanamo, where even their appointed Navy lawyers quit in protest, wiretapped citizens, incompetently bungled saving a flooded city, created a culture of branding the loyal opposition as traitors, promoted and protected their cronies while they made off with the silverware and through it all, this country repeatedly said, Yes! Yes! More! More!

How can that possibly be explained? Or at the very least, understood as the danger signal it was. America is not and has never been an exceptional shining city on the hill. Its ideals are veneer thin and its people as easily corrupted as any other nation. It too can be turned into dangerous waters. We ignore that at our peril.

30 comments:

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

CONGRATULATION to Maria and Marshall!!!! FINALLY, we have a Board majority who understands what the problems are and has ideas to actually FIX THEM!!

alabamasue said...

YES!!!
I couldn't be happier about the outcome of the elections, local and national. This is a great day in America, and Los Osos.

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

I hope everyone will check out yesterday's Los Osos part of the BOS yesterday if you weren't there or didn't see it live.

.Julie, Jeff, Linde and Piper are FINALLY beginning to "get" that the LOSCD has completely lost control OF THE WATER. With the project at Tr-W, the CSD ALONE CONTROLLED the WATER.

Now It looks like the project will be out of town, and the water will be sprayed onto fields and lost to the basin. It looks like re-use will not be paid for out of this project, but will be a separate issue, to be dealt with later (How later? Who knows? How much? Who knows?) by the THREE water purveyors.

Karen scolded the County team for not doing a tech memo on ag exchange and completely spun the reception of the farmers as documented by the Ripley report into something positive which it WAS NOT. She scolded the team for not beginning relationships with the farmers already. Yoo-hoo! The project hasn't been accepted by the County officially - it would be wrong to approach anyone yet! It can take as long as 10 years to get that sort of buy in! IF you can get it. So don't anyone hold your breath! You take on those responsibilities in perpetuity, and not at all if you intend to sell your land - perhaps for development - one day. (With the nice expandable plant out of town, you might just be ABLE to do that, as sewer services will be right next door. What was that Ripley's Bahman Shiekh said about development coming right up to the sewer plant boundaries? Have you seen that there places? I have.)

The Los Osos CSD will pay for the loss of its water - one way - or another. Looks like the old project wasn't crazy after all.

Shark Inlet said...

Ann,


Marshall and Maria have clearly supported the County process more than the others even though all five claimed to have done so. Even here, the strongest supporters of Karen made it clear that they mistrust the County to make the wisest choice. On this issue, you protest to much.

Congrats to the winners ... all of them ... even those I strongly disagree with.


I suspect the reason 8 will lose (it hasn't become official yet and there are a LOT of absentee and provisional ballots that have yet to be counted) is a combination of the well organized get-out-the-vote actions of the yes side along with the idea that the people control the Constitution of the state and many people were outraged that the right to same sex marriage was read into the Constitution of the state shortly following the law which banned the practice.

Dunno, really, but it will be interesting to read the comments on both sides about why 8 won. I didn't expect it.

Both sides were motivated out of a sense that if they lost this vote, they would be suffering persecution or discrimination. Whether these fears were just imagined or whether they were fully justified, it does seem quite clear that the use of the word "marriage" by the state is causing some real problems.

TCG said...

It should be no shock that the County is approaching the sewer project in a way that is compatible with, but exclusive of, a groundwater recharge project.

The County can only control what it can control. It has taken many steps, as outlined by County staff at the BOS meeting yesterday, to facilitate the development of a cooperative water plan and recharge effort of the Los Osos water purveyors. They also structured the Prop 218 vote so that a seperate vote would be held in the future for vacant properties so that they would have a good reason to fund their fair share of ground water reuse.

But, as I said, the County can only do so much. It is time for the CSD, as a major water purveyor, to take a pro-active role in the development of the water planning. The sewer project can not be held up for what could be a few more years while the water agencies get a plan developed, approved and funded.

This approach was clearly recommended by the peer review panel and is the only one that makes sense if the objective is really to build a sewer for Los Osos.

Shark Inlet said...

Ann,

You say that advertisements for 8 that warned of teaching gay marriage in public schools were lies. I would disagree and put those statements more in the fear mongering category than in the lie category.

Didn't you watch the O'Connell reply carefully? Even though he says that there isn't a mandate that marriage be part of curriculum standard set by the state ... he didn't say that it wouldn't be taught. That it has already happened in some places and that about 95% of school districts have marriage as part of their curriculum would suggest that gay marriage would, indeed, be taught in many places. As a friend of mine said, if gay marriage is good, why shouldn't it be taught in the schools?

On this one you criticize the yes on 8 folks for lying but I believe that their statements on the issue were no more misleading than those who argued against 8.

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

With a new Board majority, finally, I believe that the water issues here will be addressed!

Many don't know it, but the Ibank loan (cheap money to rebuild our crumbling and water-losing infrastructure) was almost lost because of the financial mismanagement of the recall Board. Our Utilities Manager George, managed to pull a miracle out of a hat to save that loan.

Maria Kelly on the Water Ops Committee located an excellent ordinance that another town adopted that would have been perfect to save our water here, but the recall Board was not interested.

The overall goal of the County's project will be to stop the Water Board enforcement. Beyond that, even if that option will be penciled out, people may not want to pay, but would rather defer those re-use costs to the future, just as the sewer was delayed for 30 years. Of course we don't have 30 years of water to waste. I'm wondering if the sewer objectionists will now jump on a bandwagon for a more expensive sewer, now that they have remembered that we have water issues to address?

It is more fair to make the other two water purveyors contribute to the cost of water re-use rather than have the CSD be in charge, but if not a 218 to build additional infrastructure, I foresee water rate increases in our future to do that PLUS delay - anything Golden State does needs to get approval from the PUC. I don't see this cost as winding up less than what we would have had at Tri-W. And that project would have been winding up about now, years of pollution would have been avoided.

TCG said...

With the CSD as lead agency for a water project, a Prop 218 election could be held for all properties in the area--CSD, Golden State and Sunset Terrace.

In this way, at least for construction costs, Golden State wouldn't have to get PUC approval as the cost would not have to be recovered through their customers' water rates. I remember the County staff discussing this about six months ago at a BOS meeting.

It would be a real challange for our CSD to complete a project like this, but isn't this the kind of service that the CSD is authorized to do?

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

I believe it is, and it would be a nice save, but the bankruptcy looms and while the newly elected Board was not its cause, they will carry the baggage for it.

Again, I would trust the new Board majority to pull it off, I just wonder what the obstructionists could do to block it. Cost will always be an issue, too.

Realistic1 said...

Ann,

Julie, Lisa, Chuck and Steve were not voluntary supporters of the County project by any stretch of the imagination. They were forced into support by AB2701. Every one of them has been a vocal critic of the County from minute one. Nothing the County does is good enough for them, or you, or Ron.

Talk about the "same old spin". You're as guilty as the Trib.

Churadogs said...

Inlet sez:"Marshall and Maria have clearly supported the County process more than the others even though all five claimed to have done so. Even here, the strongest supporters of Karen made it clear that they mistrust the County to make the wisest choice. On this issue, you protest to much."

You're making stuff up again, Worse, you're pretending that "supporters" ARE the candidate or that candidates need to be judged by some sort of Public Displays of Who's Pretending To Cheer Lead the Loudest? That's Joe McCarthy stuff. The Make Stuff Up Guy calling himself "mike" who posts stuff here is a vocal supporter of Maria and Marshall. Should we tar Marshall and Maria with HIS lies and too-often ugly postings and assume somehow that they share his beliefs? Inlet, inlet. Tsk tsk.

Inlet sez:"it does seem quite clear that the use of the word "marriage" by the state is causing some real problems."

The word "marriage" IS the problem. What people don't understand is this: "marriage" is a CIVIL contract. Don't beleive me? Go into any church or synagogue and ask the priest, pastor or rabbi to "marry" you and your partner. All the holy words spoken over you will have absolutely no meaning UNLESS you also have a piece of paper, a "civil contract," called a "marriage license," issued by the CIVIL authorties, to be signed by both parties (like all contracts) and witnessed (by the pastor, the court clerk, etc. as you do in all signed contracts) in short a CIVIl contract. Religion and sacredness is simply whipped cream on the cake and is totally unnecessary since the whole contract is a civil one. That's what the voters don't understand.

and you said,"and that about 95% of school districts have marriage as part of their curriculum would suggest that gay marriage would, indeed, be taught in many places."

How do you "teach" gay marriage? Teaching children about factual reality on the ground is the point of education. One of the strangest lies -- yes it is a lie -- is the fear mongering that implied that teachers would be promulgating or promoting "gay marriage" in the schools. Duh. How do you spell "you're fired?" If marriage is both a right and a responsibility and is considered a good thing for society, then why shouldn't the benefits and responsibilities of the institution be taught in schools along with health, sex ed, home ec, shop, and other classes that prepare kids for real-world, on the ground reality, not some fantasy dreamscape that too often leaves them barefoot, poor, ignorant, job-skillless and pregnant. All in the name of religion? Naw. That's dumb.

the irony of black people voting to remove equal civil rights from another group of people is really interesting and sad. Show's you the evil that people are willing to inflict on their fellow citizens in the name of "religiion." Sad.

And said,"Both sides were motivated out of a sense that if they lost this vote, they would be suffering persecution or discrimination. Whether these fears were just imagined or whether they were fully justified,"

The fears were imagined (and ginned up) and were not justified. But it's amazing what you can crank up on the basis of lies and phony fears and religious bigotry. And ignorance as to just what it is you're really dealing with.


tcg sez:"The County can only control what it can control."

Doesn't that also apply to the CSD? For example, the CSD did not ever control the other water purveyors (it was "their water") and had to work cooperatively with them and all of them have been tangled up with sewer/charge/recharge & etc from day one? So, what's different now?

Realistic1 sez:"Nothing the County does is good enough for them, or you, or Ron.

Talk about the "same old spin". You're as guilty as the Trib."

Sorry, but you never saw the Tribune hollering (in print) and waving a red flag and saying, Oh, Lucy Jooooo gotta lotta 'splainin' to dooooo, years ago and again and again. If the Trib HAD done that, it's possible this commuity could have awakened in time to keep this train from the cliff, like rising en-mass to demand the old recalled board hold a "chinese menu" "vote" with real costs for whatever option they were going to be buying (I wrote about that years ago) or holding off on starting the project until the recall vote -- I wrote urging the CSD to do that. So many critical points where the tracks could have been reset, long before the wreck. And I don't recall the Trib doing diddly to see that was done.

No, Ron and I have been waving red flags for a long, long time. (One of my first columns on the Hideous Sewer wars was likely in 1991 or therebouts, with regular sewer columns over the years, almost all asking questions and, sadly, I'm still waiting for a lot of the answers. The funny thing is folks who asked questions or raised issues, in print or letters or full sized new Times cover stories, or at meetings, have been ignored or dismissed, then blamed for everything. Sorry, that doesn't wash. If the community had listened to Ron, that old "bait & Switchy" would have caused the Costal Commisison to slam on the brakes and go back and do this right. The Feds would have investigated the State Water Board to find out just how this project got so $*#^@#^$ up in the first place, and so on.

So, nope. Various Jerimiah's have been hollering for years. They saw the train wreck ahead, yet none of them were the ones holding a gun to the head of the engineers saying, More Coal! Faster! Faster! Sorry, but you're blaming the wrong people for this wreck.

Ron said...

R1 wrote:

"Nothing the County does is good enough for them, or you, or Ron."

[Insert buzzer sound here]

Are you kidding, R1?

After recently interviewing a county official, I LOVE the county's process.

They laugh, literally, at the Tri-W project, and they are pursuing a reality-based project with a sewer plant that's NOT in the middle of town... just like I've reported, for years, should happen.

Perfect.

What's not to love?

TCG said...

I believe that building a sewer was first a growth-no growth issue, then became a cost issue.

The ground water recharge/supplemental water initiative, when it gets some real traction, will first go through the growth-no growth phase, as well, even though there is clearly a current need to stop the sea water intrusion.

It would be unrealistic to hold up the sewer project for more years until a "have it all" project, including ground water recharge, could be developed and funded.

Getting the sewer underway, with a known design, would be a huge first step, after which it would be easier for the CSD Board and/or the County to tackle the second phase of what we must have out here to secure our infrastructure future needs.

Sure it would be ideal to get it all done at once, but because of the cost, the interagency coordination and what it will take to get the needed funding in place, the only realistic way to get this done, in my opinion, is to phase it.

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

Yes, I guess Tri-W, the all-in-one package, was just too much for the community to wrap its arms around once the lie of $100/out-of-town gained traction. Now we'll get our phased projects, and I'm betting that the total cost will be far more that Tri-W in the end. I predict that in 15 years we'll see instead of pumpkins -- homes growing out around the sewer plant.

Realistic1 said...

Ann,

I love how you completely sidestepped my point.

Ann, you criticized the Trib for implying Maria & Marshall were the only board members who supported the County process.

I replied by saying that the post-recall board had to be dragged kicking & screaming to the County project - that their support was forced by AB2701.

You didn't even address that. You focused on my comment that nothing the County does is good enough for them, or you, or Ron. Ron did the same thing.

Why can't either of you concede that what I said about the post-recall board is true, and in this instance, the Trib WAS NOT off base?

Churadogs said...

Realistic1 sez:"I love how you completely sidestepped my point.

Ann, you criticized the Trib for implying Maria & Marshall were the only board members who supported the County process"

The POINT of my comment was to observe that some things never change -- even after the election is over, the Trib is STILL spinning a headline to make A look one way by subtly implying that B is "different," even though they are both the same, vis a vis "supporting the County project." & etc. That was the point of the comment, not anything the post recall board did or not do. That's YOUR issue, not mine, and you're certainly free to raise it in this comment section, which you did. If you want to dictate blog content, then I suggest you get your own blog. It's free and easy and fun!

Watershed Mark said...

If you want to dictate blog content, then I suggest you get your own blog. It's free and easy and fun!


Zip, Zop, ZAP...:)

Unknown said...

Although some think the activists in and about Los Osos have some control of the sewer, there other view points which are just as valid...

The author of this blog apparently does not really wish to hear other view points and will never admit that other views are equally valid and in fact encourages the blame game...

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

Gee Ann, I think the community finally woke up. Like it or not, "A" is quite different from "B" and if you can't see that difference, it doesn't matter as at least the rest of the VOTERS made that distinction loud and clear. If you have attended the TAC meetings as I have, you could see that difference there, too.

Realistic1 said...

"The author of this blog apparently does not really wish to hear other view points and will never admit that other views are equally valid and in fact encourages the blame game..."


Unless, of course, anyone blames the post-recall board.

Unknown said...

Why should anyone "blame" the post-recall board... afterall, they only halted a legal WWTF and bankrupted the District by giving their sole-sourced legal friends all the taxpayer dollars they could steal... I love being lied to, don't you... makes you want to really support their efforts...

GetRealOsos said...

Ann,

When Shark said, "the strongest supporters of Karen made it clear that they mistrust the County to make the wisest choice...."

I GUESS SHARK MEANS ALL 2,600 SUPPORTERS!

GetRealOsos said...

Mike,

Tri-W was an ILLEGAL project.

Tri-W was a very bad idea.

Measure K forming the CSD was a very bad idea.

Pandora getting the County off their financial hook was a good idea for the County and Pandora, and a VERY bad idea for PZ homeowners!

Everyone give a big thank you to Pandora for a job well done...what a retard!

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

getreal, there are many people in Los Osos dialed out as to what goes on here. They and non-judgmental friends, and those disliking the County process, and those supporting the side that has to date successfully stopped any sewer, can explain that number of votes. It would be hard to parse out percentages to each category.

Unknown said...

getrealosos... Please let us know who won the 2 open seats in this just past LOCSD election....

Please tell us the direction the LOCSD is likely to go in 2009.... Will there be further CSD funding of the PZLDF....??? Will there be further CSD lawsuits against the State Water Boards....??? Is it possible that an Audit will be performed and the Bankruptcy finally addressed....??? Will the CSD seek responsible legal advice....???? Will the CSD keep the business to actually running a Community Service District....??? Will the former social club of "No Sewer/Move the Sewer" thugs be told to go protest elsewhere...??? Will the "community" actually feel welcome and safe to come to the Board Meetings...??? Will the sewer finally cease to be the main topic of the LOCSD....??????

GetRealOsos said...

Mike,

You ask a lot of questions.

I'll try to help you out here. Whatever the County wants Maria and Marshall will make sure that it happens.

As far as the State Water Board, there is a suit that could be brought back and isn't moot if the state wants that $6.5 million back.

And who's afraid to come to board meetings? Cowards? What are you afraid of? The Dreamers who have waited so long to see their big pipe gravity dream come true are the real violent ones. They are violent because they want their money now. They are very tired of waiting.

I have a feeling with the two new board members that it will be like the old days. People will come out to fight the wrong. If Maria, Joe, and Marshall try to take away televised meetings...oh boy...big trouble.

Yep, it's gonna be just like the old days with Stan, Richard, and Gordon. There will be many new faces too.

P.S. Can I ask if what I heard is true? Did Bruce Buel personally bring George M. into Los Osos with him? Friends before??? Didn't George say he'd be the first to fight for a plant out of town because he lives out of town??

Unknown said...

Thank God that YOU are not on the Board... still making up erroneous rumors (you must be thinking about "Low Cost Housing and I will tie up any sewer in court forever Al")... you really are a fraud and a liar...!!!!!!!!!!

Congratualtions Maria and Marshall... We're with you to get the CSD back toward making sound financial decsisions without being distracted by the same old sewer fanatics like getrealosos...

franc4 said...

'toons,

"recall Board was not interested."

Who are you calling the "recall board"? You mean Stan, Gordon and Richard?....you must, because if you were paying attention, Lisa and Julie didn't run so they haven't been "recalled" at all, have they?

franc4 said...

'toons,

"recall Board was not interested."

Who are you calling the "recall board"? You mean Stan, Gordon and Richard?....you must, because if you were paying attention, Lisa and Julie didn't run so they haven't been "recalled" at all, have they?

Sewertoons AKA Lynette Tornatzky said...

Budd Sanford was part of the Dreamers? getreal, you gotta be kidding!

You are not making sense, "...violent because they want their money now?" Huh? Point me if you will, to an act of violence!

Ask George if you want to know.