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Tuesday, October 28, 2008

Final Report from the NWRI Independent Peer Review Panel

now at http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/PW/LOWWP.htm

11 comments:

Watershed Mark said...

Engineered low-pressure systems: repealing the law of gravity.

Gravity sewers are no longer the rule for solving wastewater problems.

With huge savings in front-end costs, and a much gentler footprint on the environment, gravity-independent E/One low-pressure sewer systems are revolutionizing the field.

http://www.eone.com/sewer_systems/intro/features.htm

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

Hey Mark,

Where's that scientific proof that the Reclamator will work for Los Osos in the long term?

Where's proof that buying a Reclamator will make one immune from prosecution by the RWQCB?

We've been waiting since about March for you to provide proof of your claims.

As you told us yourself, one builds trust ... you don't seem to have offered us anything to allow us to trust you just yet.

Watershed Mark said...

Hey Shark:

Seems you are a little behind the curve regarding Murphy.

Re:Trust-
Where is the discussion about heat welded plastic pipe?
Where is the data on leaky sewerage?
Where is the GRAVITY tech memo?

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

Mark,

I am not asking Tom to back up the things you said here ... I am asking you to back up the things you said here.

Perhaps you trusted him, but it is you who told us that the Reclamator was our savior ... and it you that I am asking to back up your statements.

If you want to retract your earlier claims, that would be fine by me ... but you can't tell us that the County is wrong for not answering your incessant questions if you've stonewalled us for months.

Again, I would ask you to call the County (phone, you know?) and ask them whether gravity will be fully considered in the EIR.

Sewertoons said...

So mark, here is your latest, new, best thing! So what did I find out?

Interestingly, eOne is listed in the Low Pressure Collection System Tech Memo.

Off the eOne website:
These units accept household sanitary waste, grind it into a fine slurry, and pressurize it to permit transport through small-diameter pipes. E/One Sewer Systems serve over 500,000 end-users daily.

The company is owned by Precision Castparts Corp. a worldwide manufacturer of complex metal components and products, listed on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol "PCP."

The examples on the website list only communities smaller than ours. The Tech Memo lists only one retrofit by these guys that is NOT in combination with another company, Bloomingdale GA and it has 1,000 connections.

Maintenence is usually initiated by service calls by homeowners in response to visible/audio alarms. Now that sounds like fun.

You know, it is really touching that even though you don't live here, you are trying so hard to "save" us money. Speaking of money, should we go this way, how much will you make off of this?

Watershed Mark said...

Steve: If cut and paste my words you want backed up, I'll be happy to consider your request.

Looks like you are confused.

Lynette wrote:
Interestingly, eOne is listed in the Low Pressure Collection System Tech Memo.

Why wasn't a bid secured for and promulgated to the community?

I won't make a penny no matter which collection system is selected, I want the correct result for LO/BP.

I have treatment technology only.

Lynette wrote: The examples on the website list only communities smaller than ours. The Tech Memo lists only one retrofit by these guys that is NOT in combination with another company, Bloomingdale GA and it has 1,000 connections.

Lynette, nothing better would ever happen given your mindset above.

Where is the heat sealedplastic pipe discussion?
Where is the GRAVITY memo?

Sometimes doing the correct thing, isn't fun.

Watershed Mark said...

From: al barrow
To: jim patterson ; katcho achadjian ; jerry lenthall ; bruce gibson ; jwaddell@co.slo.ca.us ; pogren@co.slo.ca.us

Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:56 PM
Subject: public document request

Hello John Waddell:
It has come to my attention that the SLO County engineering department is in posession of the Carollo Engineering cost estimate of fused pipe gravity sewer cost. You called it a draft tech memo flows and loads.
I am asking for the cost estimate Carollo sent you before WEFTEC last week. It is a public
Please e-mail me a copy of their cost estimate of a fused pipe gravity sewer.
Thank You.
Al Barrow Coalition for Low Income Housing
Citizens for Affordable and Safe Environment

When this request is anwered one of my questions will be answered.

Sewertoons said...

mark says:
"I have treatment technology only."

Which is…?

Watershed Mark said...

Why not call John Waddel or Mark Hutchinson and ask one of them?

Or you could review my previous posts, as it is well documented.

Mike said...

Zippidee Skippidee Doo Doo...

Having read and re-read the Final Report from the NWRI Independent Peer Review Panel... I have to ask, did we actually pay for this thing...???

Hell, there is more "meat" on this blog than is in that "report"... I guess it is in support of the County Process, but it sure is little else...

Watershed Mark said...

From: Pio Lombardo [mailto:Pio@lombardoassociates.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:06 AM
To: Onsite/decentralized wastewater management issues
Subject: RE: [decentralized] Los Osos alternatives -- sewers only


It is part of the public record that Lombardo Associates, Inc. was retained to prepare a Los Osos Decentralized Scenario. Those reports in which Decentralized Scenarios were developed have been completed. The LAI reports are expected to be issued as Appendices to the Project's updated Decentralized Option Technical Memorandum - expected to be issued in the coming weeks. I as well was puzzled that the decentralized option was not discussed in the NWRI Report - as it was an agenda item

Pio

Pio Lombardo, P.E.
Lombardo Associates, Inc.
Environmental Engineers/Consultants
Tel: 617-964-2924
Cell: 617-529-4191
Fax: 617-332-5477
Email: Pio@LombardoAssociates.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Valerie508@aol.com
To: Onsite/decentralized wastewater management issues
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:59 AM
Subject: [decentralized] Los Osos alternatives -- sewers only

Wow.
It looks as though George Tchobanoglous chaired an expert panel that only looked at central collection systems. A report was released on October 23rd.
http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/AssetFactory.aspx?did=18272
Has Los Osos gotten to the point where decentralized alternatives have been ruled out-of-bounds?
Too bad.
(I haven't followed this case closely.)