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Wednesday, October 08, 2008

Murder in Los Osos, Uh, I Mean . . . Los Lobos.

How many times have people said to me, referring to the Hideous Los Osos Sewer Wars, “Somebody oughta write a book!” Well, somebody has! Yes. Los Osos author Sue McGinty. Book’s on sale now with the launch party scheduled early in Nov, -- can get your copy autographed! -- so stay tuned. Meantime, go get a copy and see if you’re in it!




MURDER IN LOS LOBOS

A Bella Kowalski Mystery

by Los Osos author Sue McGinty


Former nun Bella Kowalski protests the bayside location of the Los Lobos wastewater plant, and
encounters murder most foul, long-buried family secrets and dysfunctional local politics.

“You have to love a novel about a sewage treatment plant, an ex-nun and a suspiciously familiar small coastal town. But there's more to love here, including a nicely woven mystery and a darned good read.” — Catherine Ryan Hyde, author of Pay it Forward, The Day I Killed James.
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“McGinty describes the Central Coast of California so vividly readers can smell the sea air and feel the fog.” — Marilyn Meredith, author of the Deputy Tempe Crabtree mystery series.

"[McGinty] took the whole Los Osos nuttiness, whipped it up in a blender, so I got to have a second mystery going on guessing who things were actually based on!! Loved the characters."
— Los Osos Resident, Lynette Tornatzky

Available now at Volumes of Pleasure, Book Exchange and Coalesce in Morro Bay!

176 comments:

Mike Green said...

Save me a copy!
travel update, click on my name

Mike Green said...

An apology to anyone trying to e-mail though my blogger profile, it's now fixed to wheresgwenandmike@yahoo.com

Mikey

yogi berra said...

"It's like deja vu all over again"


My eyes haven't yet graced the anticipatory pleasure of this read.........

But, let me guess.........


Thoughts of long Summer days and bare feet in warm sand seem a distant memory as Fall waxes over a discontent coastal community that has fought off the whoremongers of development and a 30 year nightmare of wastewater treatment perpetrated by the corrupt leaders of their county who allowed the community to develop beyond the means of infrastructure to support it.

Local rebels with the promise and cry of "cheaper, better, faster", usurp the power from the corrupt county government and seize control of the local wastewater problem. After eight years and the promise of cheaper, better, faster, the best the local rebels can produce is the most expensive per capita wastewater treatment plant in the history of the world which is located right next to the library. you really couldn't make this shit up if you tried. Not cheaper, not better, not faster. The now corrupt local government goes to the State Water Board and asks for a 70 million dollar increase in their loan which one month later produces a "one bid" contract for the wastewater treatment facility. Did I say you can't make this shit up?

This question still goes unanswered.......Who had their head shoved so far up their ass that they thought any community would pay $170 million dollars for a sewer in the center of town next to their public library?" Was it Pandora's Box Nash-Karner, the director of county parks and wreck, who actually no shit tried to sell the sewer to the community as a doggy park? Was it the general manager Bruce "the kiss of death" Buel, whose medusa touch can turn water into sand? After screwing up the Los Osos water problem, Medusa Bruce was hired by the brain dead zombies of Nipomo to fuck up their water supply problem. .......
Who was it that had their head shoved so far up their ass, they thought any community would pay $170 million dollars for a sewer in the center of town next to their public library?" Only the shadow knows.....

A triple homicide takes place 33 days before Halloween in 2005. The three vanquished spirits rise from their disembowled carcasses. The leader of the evil empire and victom of the coup d'etat, known as "President", takes flight under the cover of darkness and tries to reinvent himself in the midwest as an activist for John McCain. The other two ghoulish spirits known as "Water Keeper" and "FU", demon possess Maria Hensley & Marshall Legros attempting to haunt the local community center with the ghosts from our past.........

to be continued?........

I am working ten hours a day in addition to campaigning for Barack Obama, Lois Capps, and Karen Venditti.

Now is not the time for the community of Los Osos to take a U-Turn. Maria Kelly and Marshall Ochylski represent and are supported by the mistakes of our past. The mistakes this Community of Los Osos has already rejected once. They are supported and paid for by the people who promised us cheaper, better, faster. If it weren't for the people who support Maria and Marshall, our community would be hooked up to an out-of-town, $70/month sewer right now. Make no mistake, Maria Kelly and Marshall are different names. They are different faces. But they represent and are supported by the same people who have cost this community millions and millions of dollars.

The County has control of the wastewater project. Now is not the time to call on the corrupt spirits of our past who have ruined this community.
Now is the time to step into the future and elect Karen Venditti to the Los Osos CSD.

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

So, Yogi ...

Are you saying that Karen "I'm Lisa and Gail rolled into one" who has at every opportunity supported he boneheaded moves which have put this community some $50M in debt is really the best choice?

Tell us how you really feel.

Churadogs said...

Yep, Yogi has the makings of another great New York Times bestseller! And a shout out to Mike Green. Will now go check in with him to see where in the world Mikeee is.

Ron said...

What gives, Yogi?

No mention of the intrepid reporter?

Hmmm, I wonder if I made Sue's book in that "Law and Order" kind of way. You know: "All characters are fictional. Any resemblance to real people is purely coincidental," or however that goes.

Y.B. wrote:

"Was it Pandora's Box Nash-Karner, the director of county parks and wreck, who actually no shit tried to sell the sewer to the community as a doggy park?"

The director of county parks since 1991.

And don't forget about the amphitheater, tot lot, and picnic area in the sewer plant, and how it was the park that dictated the downtown location (patting myself on back), so the residents could easily get to Nash-Karner's park-with-a-sewer-plant.

I don't know which one is funnier to include in a sewer plant -- a tot lot, or a picnic area.

"Wine? Check. Cheese? Check. Crackers? Check. Great, now grab the kids and let's all go to the sewer plant for a picnic and a day of fun in the tot lot."

Yep. Can't make that shit up.

Ron said...

As long as we're pimping local writers, just went and checked out Mike's travel blog, and it's excellent. Talk about a "good read." Nice photographs, fun text, interesting links, and a perfect subject for a blog -- a cross-country trip.

(However, I'm still not clear on why the visitor center had a toilet on display. Funny.)

Makes ya wanna go.

Sewertoons said...

yogi berra said:
"If it weren't for the people who support Maria and Marshall, our community would be hooked up to an out-of-town, $70/month sewer right now"

You mean the one that was going to go right next to the middle school?

Richard LeGros said...

Hello All,

Yesterday I, Gordon Hensley, Jim Hensley, along with TW attorneys Kate Neiswender and Phil Seymour were in Judge LaBarbera’s court; as well as Lisa Schicker, Chuck Cesena, Ann Calhoun, Alon Perlman, Richard Margetson, Chris Albe, Karen Vendetti the CSD5 attorney Andrew Swartz.

What a day it was!

Judge LaBarbera rulings are as follows;

1. The CSD5’s MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT was DENIED, as outlined in his tentative ruling (which I posted earlier this week.)

2. The TW’s and Contractor’s MOTION TO QUASH the CSD5’s excessive discovery attempts was UPHELD.

Judge LaBarbera made it very clear to Mr. Swartz he saw absolutely no relevance in the SWartz's pleading the CSD5’s primary defense (i.e. the ‘Blame Hensley Defense).
For those that read the court documents I posted earlier, you will recall that the CSD5 claimed they had no personal liability as the CSD5 claimed that the ‘conspiratorial actions’ by prior CSD boards and staff, TW plaintiffs, the State, and all the WWTP contractors (i.e. they had ‘unclean hands’) had intentionally 'forced’ the CSD and the recall board into bankruptcy; leaving the CSD5 with no choice other than to use the taxpayers money to fund their attorneys. Judge LaBarbera was adamant that he (LaBarbera) was not buying that defense…..and would focus only on the actions taken by the CSD5 as they responded to the CSD’s condition and situation that the CSD5 then-faced.

3. The CSD5’s MOTION TO COMPEL was DENIED. This denial was part of #2 above in that the Motion to Compel was the CSD5’s attempt to get access to the business and correspondence records from the Contractors, the State, the pre-recall CSD staff and Board members in order to 'acquire evidence' to prove conspiracy. I might also note that Mr. Swartz had also asked the Court to force TW to pay him $20,000 in attorney fees he expended to file the Motion to Compel; which Judge LaBarbera DENIED.

An interesting twist is that Mr. Swartz made it very clear in his opening statements that the CSD5 now blame ex-interim GM Dan Blesky for all the illegal fund transfers and spending; and that the CSD5knew nothing of Blesky's actions. While TW is pleased that the CSD5 are beginning to ‘see the light’, TW has ample evidence to show that the CSD5 were fully aware of Mr. Blesky’s actions.

The overall affect of yesterday’s rulings was that the CSD5’s primary defense disintegrated; leaving no time for the CSD5’s attorney to regroup by the October 27 trial date. A new tentative Trial Date of December 1 was set.

Ann, as she was there, can verify what I have written; maybe even add a few observations.

-R

PS: Ann,

Still waiting for your answer to the CORE QUESTION:

"CSD5, you had the property owner's property taxes in hand; so UPON WHAT LAW / LEGAL BASIS DID YOU JUSTIFY YOUR DECISION TO NOT SPEND THE PROPERTY TAXES ON THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS THEY WERE COLLECTED FOR?"

M said...

Okay Richard, you made your point. Frankly i'm sickened by the obvious glee and rightousness you display. These acts were done as a result of YOUR ACTIONS. You found an apparently ironclad law that the CSD5 had broke, and now you're using that to deflect once again any responsibility for what led to those actions. Go ahead and bring it about how they mis-used my tax dollars, but the amount pales in comparison to what they put a stop to. You did not have to start construction when you did. The threat of a fine of 11 million dollars doesn't compare to what we have now.
Sincerely, M

Richard LeGros said...
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Richard LeGros said...

m,

Gleefull?
No. The entire situation saddens me.

Righousness?
Only as far as I believe we all live within the rule of law; that those that purposely violate the law must be held accountable; and see that Judge LaBarbera sees it that way too.

Deflecting my responsibility?
Never. I accept full responsibity regarding all my actions; expecially those I assumed as a LOCSD Board member.

I accept that my actions have angered you; that many folks do not welcome me; and that there is nothing I can do to alter that. But do not ask me to take responsibility for your anger. I have no control over that.

-R

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

M,

You may be right about Richard's glee. Of course, you've got to realize that many here and many who supported the recall have been more than rude toward him. I'll cut Richard some slack on this one.

However, unless the net result of the recall/AB2701/bankruptcy resolution is that we end up paying less than the approximately $200/month that TriW was gonna cost, it seems just plain wrong to blame Richard. After all, his board got a $200/month solution to the realm of reality. My costs going up from that (already too high) amount will only be because of actions of the post recall board.

Mike said...

Sorry m... There is a LOT more than a single ironclad law that was broken...and broken intentionally...that is at stake here...

Lisa acted from day one after the recall that she was the Queen of Los Osos and set about creating her own monarchy and the State of Californina be damned..!! She felt she had some special mandate to make her own laws to justify the unwise and uncontrolled spending spree she went on...

She never held the "transparent" form of government she incorrectly critizied the former Board of operating... This community never could figure out what was going on and just how much all this was costing...that's not being transparent, that's being dishonest to the point of corruption... As it has turned out, she was far worse than any of the previous Directors had ever been...

It really is too bad that you think throwing away our tax dollars was perfectly Ok... Then you must have more disposable income than most of the rest of us... I would have grumbled about some waste, but I expected some realistic PLAN, even a preliminary Plan, to have been forth coming in that first year... But there NEVER WAS A PLAN...it was all a series of delays and misdirectons in a deliberate effort to cause the cost of any sewer to be beyond the capabilities of nearly everyone in Los Osos... so thanks to the State of California and SLO County, the project was ripped away from this out of control CSD...

Had the CSD5 done anything positive toward a reasonable waste water treatment system, most of us would have followed...but the more Tacker spoke for the Board, the more it became apparent that this CSD was on some legal crusade to not move any sewer, but to never have a sewer...

No one in this community is particularily into a party over the court rulings and coming trial, but I do remember that Recall and the wonderful party the CSD5 held... I remember Al Barrow and how he said he could tie up any sewer in court for so long that it would never be built... Yup, that was quite the gleeful party... you divided this community on the slimest of margins and you never let up...even through today... and yup, you guys made a lot of enemies by always blaming everyone else...!!! All you really needed was to have had a PLAN...

Watershed Mark said...

And a sucessful AB2701...
Which RL and his merry Board did not have.

GetRealOsos said...
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GetRealOsos said...

Shark,

Your costs? They're already too high? (you say)

Quit the crap. YOU HAVE YOUR SEWER ALREADY!

Absolutely NONE OF THIS AFFECTS YOU and/or WON'T FOR A VERY LONG TIME, if ever. Just can the bull.

Besides, I insist that you are not in the PZ.

Do you even OWN your house? ... or do you rent? ... I wonder!

Stop defending Richard and crew.

You don't talk anything about the recalled board not having a 218, you sure don't mention that the State Water Board didn't have a dedicated source of revenue. The State Water Board broke FEDERAL LAW!!! Nope, you don't mention that at all!

I guess it's just like that Maria WON'T answer anything in my previous post to her (choosing only to reply about her actual (non) resume and the distance from the two towns in Oregon). Nope, she won't answer what she doesn't want to regarding the County and what they've said and done to date - just like you Mr. Shark!

And regarding Karen, as she spoke at the BOS, she showed how even she was, how intelligent she was. It made Maria look so much less qualified. Maria isn't even tempered - quite the opposite. In fact, at times while speaking publicly she seems pretty "nutty"!!

What you say about Karen is not true. She has a mind of her own, and you CAN'T say that about Maria!

You both work for County biscuits - you both work for Cal Poly biscuits. Woof!

Mike said...

Hey getrealosos...what did you think about yesterday's court proceedings...???

Mike said...

...I guess that was too tough for getrealosos... he/she/it would rather continue the childish game of trying to pin the tail on the shark... Oh well, the question was really an opening gambit to lead into asking why getrealosos hasn't sued the State and the County Government over the 218 requirements...

outhouse Mark would probably be right with getrealosos there to offer to have the CSD ala PZLDF pay for a lawyer...

Guess getrealosos hasn't really got the balls to do anything more than play silly games...

If getrealoso really wanted to help this community, he would be right up front at the next CSD social club meeting, that is if he can get past Lisa's tantrum and all the blame being tossed around, and demand a real meeting breakout and someone produce a real balance sheet.. But getrealosos won't, he would rather play games and contine to bitch that a 218 was required and that the Federal Gov't voilated some law... however getrealosos is nothing close to being a lawyer and would be laughed out of any court for his very incorrect view of how laws are made and enforced... maybe Lisa or Chuck can explain that to getrealosos....

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

GetReal,

You're a real hoot.

I've already pointed out exactly how this whole thing has an impact on me. Just to remind you, it is only if the cost of the recall (the difference between what we'll be paying once something is online and what we would have been paying with TriW) grows too high that I'll bail out. That being said, I have exactly the same motivation you do to keep costs down.

Now you are back to insisting I don't live in the PZ. You're a real hoot.

I've asked you before why you feel so strongly that STEP is better and cheaper. I don't remember you answering.

As for the Federal law which the SWRCB broke ... what is that law?

I also find it pretty ironic that you are railing against people for not answering your questions when it seems that you quite often don't answer questions posed to you. Presumably you've heard that the pot shouldn't call the kettle black else the pot looks pretty foolish.


On another matter, has anyone ever seen GetReal and OsosChange together ... or are they maybe one person with two (or more) different disguises ...

GetRealOsos said...

Hey Mike,

Just because I'm not writing and reading blogs at my computer 24/7 like you, and don't answer within minutes doesn't mean I can't respond. Give me a break. You sound foolish.

Your question to me, "what did you think about yesterday's court proceedings...???"

I don't understand the suit. I don't understand Richard's explanation of why TW didn't go after BWS or Wildan.

The CSD was under the advice of a very expensive law firm. How could that firm let the CSD do what you've claimed? Or Wildan? Where was the expert legal advice? Why would any CSD have an attorney that would give bad advice?

As far as the recalled CSD and the State Water Board's illegal activities - maybe some suit can or will be brought up. It's not over yet, now is it?

P.S. I would hardly be laughed out of court. I know the Judge well anyway and I'm watching him. No, I am no attorney, but I've got many friends who are (and serious laws WERE broken). Besides, just because people can't afford to go up against the corruption at the State level doesn't mean you and the SWRCB didn't break laws. Of course, it's much more serious at the State level since they actually broke Federal law.

We'll see what happens. The book doesn't have the ending yet, now does it?!

P.S. I have the balls to tell the truth and ask important questions. You only have the balls because you've got the corrupt big shots in the County and State behind you (and they've got and work for the big developers i.e. the DA and Blakeslee who all for exclusively for these developers). Kinda makes you wonder what all the farmland throughout the County will look like in 15 years...

GetRealOsos said...

Shark,

No, you don't care about the costs at all.

You're the paid lobbyist. Plain and simple.

Do you rent or own?

You are not in the PZ. The PZ has been assessed already and you were not.

What do you mean that you'll bail out?

Again, do you even own the house you're in?

No, I'm not OsosChange. Are you Realistic? Seems you're really trying to do your "distraction" thing again Shark, or are you getting desperate?

And are you forgetting NWRI didn't like Tri-W? Many other experts don't either. Who care about the $205 a month? Talk about numbers all you want, but it was a project doomed to fail, it would pollute, break down, we'd have fines and spills.

Yeah, Shark, you may know numbers but you have absolutely no common sense. Again, you are solely a LOBBYIST!!!!!

For claiming to be so smart, it shouldn't be a problem for you to look at the Federal Water Code laws. The SWQCB uses Federal dollars and have to follow certain laws. NOT TO BRIGHT ARE YOU?

I don't have the Step figures, but there is no way in hell that it can be more expensive than digging gravity pipes and having an additional $10,000. lateral cost, --- and Broderson? Give us a break!

Tri-W was very foolish. Why don't you ever talk about the NUMBERS when the bids were 50% higher.

What, those numbers didn't bother you?

Woof!

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

Oh my!

I can't really follow that up very well, can I?

Let's just say that the question about which federal law was broken by the SWRCB was unanswered and call it a day.

Mike said...

I seem to wake up in the middle of the night every once in awhile and do get a chuckle at the foolish postings of the getrealosos...

Let's see what he brings to the discussion:

"I don't understand the suit. I don't understand Richard's explanation of why TW didn't go after BWS or Wildan.

The CSD was under the advice of a very expensive law firm. How could that firm let the CSD do what you've claimed? Or Wildan? Where was the expert legal advice? Why would any CSD have an attorney that would give bad advice?

As far as the recalled CSD and the State Water Board's illegal activities - maybe some suit can or will be brought up. It's not over yet, now is it?"

....................
I guess you should start with "I (getrealosos) don't understand the suit. I don't understand Richard's explanation of why TW didn't go after BWS or Wildan."

Well getrealosos, that's the heart of all your ramblings... YOU don't understand basic law or even basic government... Start with this concept...TW did not, let's reapeat that real slow for you... TW DID NOT HIRE BWS OR WILDAN... now is you have that concept, then the you should understand that the CSD5 DID hire both BW&S and Wildan... Is that clear...??? Now one more time just for you getrealosos... the CSD5 DID hire both BW&S and Wildan...

OK, if you can remember those two basic thoughts, then even you should be able to see who has the legal and contractual responsibility with both BW&S and Wildan... There are contracts which were simply given, that means that the CSD5 never went out with an RFB, they simply hired the two companies they had been receiving advice from before the recall... No bids, simply handed a blank check to BW&S and to Wildan...

Ok, enough of this, you should now understand that TW had (and still does not have) any legal relationship with BW&S or Wildan... Only the CSD has the contracts and is the only entity who can and frankly should have long ago, sued both those companies for poor advice and poor management...

The CSD5 rode into office to be managing Directors, but they came in ill prepared or ready to fight all their personal perceived wrongs... They never overturned any wrongs but they illegally spent monies from accounts they had no authority to touch...they supposedly spent those monies on the advice of BW&S and the even poorer management of Wildan... of course the CSD5 had their own adgenda and quite probably only listened to what they wanted to hear...

But, the fun part is now, this whole comunity will get to pay for the extremely poor and legally unsound decisions of the CSD5... We can only hope the court will require the CSD5 to repay those accounts that were blundered by those very poor decisions...

The real fun part will be when the State steps in after this Civil lawsuit opens the door with the Criminal charges... Won't that be fun...??? Was that Recall all worth it...??? Just why couldn't Liza and Julie have waited until the next election to gain control of the project, why was there a rush to halt 8 years of planning and developing a legal waste water system...??? All this just because a few vocal activists didn't want any sewer...

So getrealoso, open up your mind a bit and try to start building your understanding based on legality, not on the wishful dreaming of the CSD5... I'm sure Gail fits in there somewhere, but if you notice, she's disappeared to leave the 5 to sink all alone... Stop and think getrealosos, it was all the doing of the CSD5 and their hired guns who created this morass of poor decisions... TW only came into being as the CSD5 began throwing money away to BW&S and to Wildan... Someone had to step up for the community in a legal fashion to demand responsibility of those 5 Directors... Ask yourself who signed the checks to BW&S and to Wildan... CSD5 or TW...???

Now it's back to bed, in the morning, I'm sending this month's contribution to TW to continue representing the community, you should do the same...

Churadogs said...

Richard sez:"TW has ample evidence to show that the CSD5 were fully aware of Mr. Blesky’s actions."

Does that include a letter written by Richard to the CSD5 board using the word "reserve" in it? At letter that sure sounded like Richard was putting the Board on notice that something had happened without their knowledge or authorization and he was bringing it to their attention. I found that interesting. Plus, I'm still curious: If Dan Blesky made the payment without the Board's authorization or knowledge (and Richard's letter seems to indicate he's bringing this to their attention, i.e. it's not something they're already aware of?) then why didn't TPW sue WilDan? Was this an administrative error -- not a Board authorized action -- and so does Blesky needs to be sued? Maybe somebody knows why WilDan wasn't in court.

As for being unprepared for trial, if I'm not mistaken, part of why they couldn't go forward is that TPW's attorney has not given them the info they've repeatedly requested. Judge LaBarbara made it clear TPW's Attorney couldn't just dump a big pile of papers in their lap and say, THERE! So they were ordered to meet and confer and whatever documents TPW is refusing to turn over, must be individually "splained" (defended) to the judge. That'll take time. I also found it interesting that apparently written documents, including Richard's letter and the audit reports and other documents pointed one way regarding the LIAFF account, while so far (apparently) only testimony made by Bruce Buel points another way,(despite months available to TPW to make public records requests to turn up any documents supporting Buel's testimony) so it'll be interesting to see at trial which testimony carries more weight or which evidence has more credibility. I'm also going to be intrested, at trial, to see where "due care" "due dilligence" "prudence," etc. falls. Also, it will be interesting to see where Judge LaBarbara goes on the gift of public funds/settlement issue -- he made it clear that he wasn't going to "retry" the various cases that had been settled, but what he will be looking at is whether there was collusion or conflict of interest or any financial interest of any of the Board members to one of the groups in question.

Also, La Barbera did note that it doesn't matter how unclean the previous CSD's hands were,(his words) it doesn't matter what the pre-recall board did to set up the destruction of the post recall CSD (La Barbara clearly gets it, at least), none of that matters at this point (summary judgement). That can be argued at trial and hope it clarifies the mitigating circumstances. I also found it funny that TPW's attorney stated that he objected to the judge granting a summary dismissal at this point "because this case goes far, far beyond facts."

hahahaha. Yep, we need to ignore facts in a court of law, that's for sure.

Mike said...

...so Ann, you are in full support of the CSD NOT sueing BW&S and/or Wildan because every decision made by the CSD5 was perfectly legal and above board... and of course, supported by advice from BW&S and Wildan...

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

GetReal,

Where would we even find the "Federal Water Code laws (sic)" that you refer to? In which section and subsection would we find the law you say the SWQCB (sic) broke? What action (or inaction) on their part was illegal?

For you to say (in effect) "you know every action the water board has taken and it shouldn't be too hard to compare it to a massive section of federal code and figure out for yourself what was illegal" is just plain dumb. I am not a water lawyer (but it would seem that you are as you speak with such confidence) and I wouldn't presume to know what action you refer to. Before tossing out insults for not reading your mind you might want to give us enough references that we can figure out what ballpark you're playing in. You can't claim a win if you don't tell the other team where to meet up for the game.

Oh yeah ... whether I lived in the PZ or in PA, your arguments are either sound or not. The question here really is this ... are you able to provide evidence to justify what you write?

Sewertoons said...

getrealsays:
"Who care about the $205 a month? Talk about numbers all you want, but it was a project doomed to fail, it would pollute, break down, we'd have fines and spills."

Says you? Orenco? The proponents of No Sewer? All the permits necessary were granted by the relevant agencies.

Sorry, I live in the PZ and $205 matters to me in a big way. It should matter to you too if you are worried about people having to leave. The cost of this is yet to be determined but it is possible it will go over this amount. And THAT coupled with all the extras we will get saddled with because of the poorly considered actions of the New Board 5 PISSES me off!

Sewertoons said...

Ann says:
"then why didn't TPW sue WilDan? Was this an administrative error -- not a Board authorized action -- and so does Blesky needs to be sued? Maybe somebody knows why WilDan wasn't in court."

How can a private citizen sue a Board-hired entity? Doesn't the private citizen need to sue the Board to get the Board to sue the entity? Of course, since the Board was probably directing the entity(-s, let us not forget BWS), they probably will not want to take that action, as all of their own culpability will come out in the testimony of Willdan and BWS.

Sewertoons said...

getreal said:
"Why would any CSD have an attorney that would give bad advice?"

Because they did not like the rational advice Jon Seitz, the Districts Counsel gave them. They shoved him to the back burner and hired pricey attorneys that had already gotten themselves sued by the city of Glendora for giving bad advice (Glendora won.). This was a law firm that could find ways to support them in going ahead with the risky ideas they wanted to implement, so that is why they hired them.

I will never forget the letter released that Julie Biggs had written that accidently had the comments section left on that gave the New Board the option of dissolution when things had gone around the bend financially. She must have know at that point that the advice hadn't been so hot, or that finding ways to "legally" support what the Board wanted to do had led to unintended consequences.

GetRealOsos said...

Shark,

Tough questions for you??? ...too tough and having a hard time answering, are ya?

Let's try again: Do you OWN OR RENT YOUR HOUSE?

What do you mean that you'll bail out? ... Bail out of what exactly? You have a sewer system in Monarch.

Lastly, oh, this is a tough one -- you can't find the water code laws that says that the SWRCB HAS to have a dedicated revenue source before loaning out FEDERAL MONEY!!

Too bad Shark, too bad you don't care about that one subject enough to read up on it. I guess you're just too busy blogging and being a LOBBYIST for Tri-W/gravity and our new recalled board, Maria and Marshall. It's a full time job, we understand.

You've got some nerve!

Woof!

GetRealOsos said...

Shark,

Oops!

I see one more question that you didn't answer!

If you're a numbers guy (and we all know you are) then how can you defend the fact that the recalled board accepted bids 50% over? That's obviously okay with you!!! ...we certainly never heard you object to that one!!

Woof!

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

GetReal,

Several times here we have discussed why monthly sewer bills would count as a "dedicated revenue source" for a SRF loan. Presumably you feel that the revenue source should be existent before the loan is executed (and a 218 vote would do that) ... however it appears that the SWRCB lawyers disagreed with you.

No worries ... we won't hold the fact that your legal opinion differs from that of the water lawyers against you.

On the question of whether I rent or own ... I don't think that you've treated me in a way that would allow you to reasonably expect me to answer your question.

Frankly, it's none of your business. I don't mind sharing that information with people who I am friends with but you've shown me that you intend to be anything but a friend.

Furthermore, you seem to have quite a few outstanding apologies and/or clarifications that you should make before you expect anything from others. After all, if you're a gonna trash others and then not apologize when you're called on questionable or false statements, you shouldn't really expect others to kowtow to your demands.

Maybe if you go and do some sort of sneaky digging into my identity and background you can figure that one out.

As for being an advocate for gravity ... you seem to be advocating for STEP and yet you seem unable to produce any evidence that would convince that STEP is any cheaper in the long run than gravity. Frankly, I don't give a rip what system is chosen but I do care about what it costs ... and if you can't justify your belief that STEP is cheaper you should probably give up now.

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

On the question of the bids ... presumably if the TriW foes hadn't attempted to interfere with the bidding process the bids would have been considerably lower.

However, even if that didn't happen, the cost of diesel and concrete skyrocketed between the biding and the time the bids were accepted. I can see why the board chose to go with the bids (to lock in the cost, as it were) instead of re-bidding the jobs and getting even higher bids.

Speaking as a Monday morning QB, I agree with you that asking for the jobs to be re-bid would have been a wise idea.

Perhaps Richard would care to remind us of why the board didn't ask for the jobs to be re-bid.

GetRealOsos said...

Mike, or should I say Mr. Knucklehead:

This is America - anyone can sue anyone.

TW could have sued BWS and Wildan. Hey, maybe if that would have been done the CSD would have had to fire both firms and that would have saved thousands of dollars.

Besides, Keith and Al said they received no money from the settlements. Parker and Hawly were NOT working for CCLO anywhere near the time of the settlements either.

I would argue that the TW sued the wrong parties. If anything they should sue the CSD not the individuals. That shows nothing more than spite on Gordon, Richard, and Pandora's part.

P.S. This no sewer crap is a lie, just because people don't like TRI-W/gravity DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NO SEWER PEOPLE!

Maria puts this out there now and she's lying. She won't answer my questions and concerns about the County's process because she can't. She's biased and a liar.

GetRealOsos said...

Shark,

You say, "Presumably you feel that the revenue source should be existent before the loan is executed..."

First off Shark, it's not that "I FEEL", IT'S FEDERAL LAW!

Yep, Shark, that's what the water code law is, and that's why it's a Federal issue, it's Federal dollars that the SWRCB uses for the SRF loan.

I don't have the codes and would have to ask someone involved with that lawsuit, BUT that wasn't the SWRCB's defense (that they didn't have to have a dedicated source of revenue) their defense was that the case was "moot".

So, again, Shark, you are wrong there. That was NOT the AG's defense. Also I heard in court that the deputy AG and Seitz were quite nervous about the case in the courtroom.

P.S. I doubt now that you do even own a house in Los Osos, but will check it out (just like Mike did as Crapkiller who checked out Ann Calhoun's ownership).

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

GetReal,

I understand your point of view about the source of revenue ... but I am saying that people with more experience in the law than either you or I do seem to have disagreed.

On the matter of whether I own a home or not ... I will be waiting for your clarification of your open doubts of my owning a home. (Although I still say that my ownership or lack of ownership should not matter one whit on the questions at hand in Los Osos ... either your arguments are sound or now. Heck, it shouldn't matter whether I live in Los Osos or Los Olivos because your arguments are sound or not wherever I might happen to live.)

GetRealOsos said...

Shark,

You wish!

Sewertoons said...

getreal opines:
"TW could have sued BWS and Wildan. Hey, maybe if that would have been done the CSD would have had to fire both firms and that would have saved thousands of dollars."

Now it TW's fault that that they didn't save the CSD thousands by suing Willdan and BWS? Hilarious!!!

getreal says:
"… just because people don't like TRI-W/gravity DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NO SEWER PEOPLE!"

Really…? Not even a couple of them? You sure?

getreal, you seem to disregard the fact that a lot of us who own homes IN THE PZ appreciate the work that Shark has done for us. We don't care (or know) where he lives. So please be very, very clear that you are holding forth YOUR opinion when you dis Shark. If we had to line up on sides, I think you'd come up short, very short.

Churadogs said...

Sewertoons sez:"Why would any CSD have an attorney that would give bad advice?"

Uh, ya mean adivce like, Let's sue to BLOCK measure B from even getting on the ballot box, thereby ensuring we'll loose that case (a case check would have turned up a nearly identical case involving Wal-Mart as well as numerous cases all pointing to judges HATING anything that BLOCKS votes, no matter how silly the various issue to be voted on are) and in losing will cost the CSD a bundle to either fight and lose or settle and pay a court-mandated formulat, also costing a bundle? You mean, THAT kind of good, sound lawyerly advice??

Mike said...

...how about writing a Measure B that was poorly written that even Crawford knew it couldn't pass any legal test...

...hmmmm, just who wrote that fatally flawed measure...???

M said...

Okay Sewertoons, if you want to start keeping score, i'm with getrealosos. To me sharkinlet is just one more person that has nothing to do with this sewer getting involved in the process of it. Just think of how many there are.

mike, in an earlier post said something about the negativity of the Pismo site being across from the middle school. I've heard Shirley Bianchi mention that as well. "What kind of message would we be sending to our children"?
Do you think kids that age care, or even have a clue as to what is in the adjacent property? Do you actually think that a sewerplant adjacent to the library, church, park, homes directly across the street, a viewable straight short shot down to the bay is preferable to across from the middle school? I went and looked at where I presumed the Pismo site to be. I thought, this is perfect. It is pretty much out of site in a sparsly populated area. Just think, we would be paying probably $80 or $100 dollars a month now, with a sewer in place.
Now, for those I put in the pro Tri-W group, sharkinlet, and since according to sewertoons he speaks for all of you what have you accomplished in the 10-15 years that you have taken on the sewer?
Sincerely, M

Mike said...

Please put me in with Shark...

You asked what has been accomplished in the 8 years prior to the recall....??? Gee, there was a fully designed treatment system, legally permitted and pipes were beginning to be put in the ground...

Now come back and ask again, just what has happened in the past 3 years under the banner of $100 per month by Lisa, Julie, Chuck, John and Steve...??? Please tell us just what has been accomplished to show the community that the CSD5 and getrealosos actually have a plan to halt the pollution for our septic tanks... Please point out some positive sign that something other than a snakeoil solution was ever proposed... Please point out how well the CSD5 ever worked WITH the various regulatory agencies with some reasonable PLAN that could have been considered... Oh, and please mention just what entity has the responsibility to now design a workable system...

Shark has said several times that he doesn't care where the tratment plant would be, but that there should have been some reasonable Plan to indicate that there really was intelligent thought behind siting the facility... In 3 years, there did not appear to be anyone of the CSD5 capable of any thought other than No Sewer Anywhere in Los Osos over her dead body...

No m, don't be mis-led by the lies and rumors spread by getrealosos, there will be a sewer in Los Osos....

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GetRealOsos said...

Mike,

You ask: "just what has been accomplished to show the community that the CSD5 and getrealosos actually have a plan to halt the pollution for our septic tanks..."

Mike, we have (in Los Osos) much less pollution w/our septic tanks than Morro Bay has with their gravity sewer. Morro Bay's raw sewerage comes directly out because in places there is no pipe at all. And what about their plant? The pollution factor has been blown up for Gordon to get Federal money.

This CSD did want a sewer. Are you just plain lying about that? Yes, you are. Remember they were on their way with Ripley before Blakeslee and the County stole the project at Pandora, Richard, Gordon, Paavo, and Shirley's request. That's all it took. A piece of legislation based on the lie that ALL 4,500 septics were polluting, and keep hidden from the community until nothing could be contested. Oh, but the Dreamers had inside knowledge of the bill.

There are maybe two people that say "NO SEWER" because they know better, but everyone else will accept the fact that Los Osos wants a sewer.

Lies, lies, and more lies from you, and I'm still waiting for you to tell me exactly what rumor I started and any lie (you say) I've told.

P.S. Why don't you respond to what I asked you last night? Again:
This is America - anyone can sue anyone.

TW could have sued BWS and Wildan. Hey, maybe if that would have been done the CSD would have had to fire both firms and that would have saved thousands of dollars.

Besides, Keith and Al said they received no money from the settlements. Parker and Hawly were NOT working for CCLO anywhere near the time of the settlements either.

I would argue that the TW sued the wrong parties. If anything they should sue the CSD not the individuals. That shows nothing more than spite on Gordon, Richard, and Pandora's part.

GetRealOsos said...

Oh Maria,

Since you're online this morning, maybe I can ask for your thoughts for the THIRD time:

My concerns regarding the County process. You chose not to discuss that. We, by now, don't need to wonder why!!!

When the CSD was on it's way after the recall, Pandora told the County to take the project away. Sam Blakeslee did that for her and her people. Shirley and Noel said the project would be gravity. Mark said we'd go the fastest way with the project and plans that we already had (Tri-W/gravity). He said the BOS would use over-riding considerations. Then you have Gordon protecting the Tri-W site - fences and snails. Then you have Paavo saying the Tri-W area would act as a sponge. Then you have inflated Step figures presented at TAC. How does this look?

You have Don Beardon opposing Step at every opportunity, and you are with him at BOS and CSD meetings looking like "kissing cousins". You meet and hang with Gordon and Richard. How does this look?

GetRealOsos said...

Maria,

I'm starting to think you are totally "wacked" -- you say:

"(we) passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option"

What?

What in the heck are you talking about?

The 218 vote was that we assessed ourselves and have a lien on our property (by the way, it didn't account for extra fees and charges AND the lateral hook up) it had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH OPTION OR LOCATION REGARDING THE SEWER like you say as fact!

How can you be on the CSD when your brain doesn't work and your emotions run totally wild????!!!!

M said...

mike, I didn't ask what they accomplished. I asked what you accomplished.

When I mentioned that the Pismo site would have been a perfect site, did that not say a sewer would be okay there?

You guys are starting to talk like sharkinlet is our saviour.

Do you think that the "deceived voters" actually would have thought that there would have been blueprints drawn up, construction schedules in place, funding approved and ready to go, before they were even in office or had the funding to do all of this? No, their plan was to stop the travesty at Tri-W and build the sewer plant at a more desireable site. Remember the picture of about 800 people in the park with a sign "MOVE THE SEWER"? Not "no sewer".

Considering the absurdity of all this, how about if you get a picture of 800 people that want a sewer plant at Tri-W. Then maybe i'll jump to your side.

Sewertoons said...

Lisa said at the December 2005 Water Board hearings that there was no plan. Months later, they finally got around to bringing in 3 firms at a CSD meeting to talk about alternatives. One would think THAT might give us the idea that, NO, there really WAS NO PLAN! A desire to stop the old project, yes, but NO PLAN! I guess - (was it in March?) that they suddenly realized that they had better get to work on something or other.

Those 80% of voters who did not want the project next to the school were OK with a pond in the middle of town, BTW.

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M said...

I presume those 80% of voters you're talking about was for the CSD formation and their project. Which we now know was never acceptable

Mike said...

What was never acceptable...?? That 80% of the voters wanted a CSD..???

You sound like sour grapes... let me guess, you are in the 20% who never wanted a CSD or a project...

Orange County would love to have you back...

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

If Karen says repeats the false statement that Maria supported dissolution of the LOCSD she has convinced me that she is not someone we should elect. (Funny thing is this ... I was thinking of voting for her until now.)

Has not a single one of her supporters told her that Maria opposed dissolution?

Has Karen not asked Maria? Did Karen not bother looking into the situation to find out the truth before she uses a typo as a campaign issue.

Either she is a low life or she us unaware of the truth and her supporters here haven't bothered telling her the truth. In either case it is not a compelling reason to vote for her.

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

GetReal,

You ask why Maria is willing to chat with Don and Richard and Gordon. I'll answer you question for you. The reason you think she is aligned with those folks is that people on your side refuse to chat with her.

Honestly, have you talked with her? Have you seen Gail or Linde or one of the Coopers walk up to Maria and engage her in conversation?

It is not reasonable to castigate Maria as "bad" because the "good" people are unwilling to interact with her.

M said...

No mike, their project was never acceptable to the water board and nobody said anything and we got the CSD based on their project that was not acceptable.

I say once again, when I say the Pismo site is okay for a sewer, how does that come out no sewer.

Mike said...

Well m, all you had to have done was convince the vocal Tacker that the Pismo site would have worked, but then Lisa would have cried over that site too... just remember that the prior CSD, after many compromises and listening to every sewer lawyer, wantabe sewer engineer and crackpot holistic schemes, did get ALL approvals and permits for the final design on the Tri-W site...
There was no perfect site for the vocal activists... there still isn't...never will be...

But this war has gone on far too long and I'm pleased that the County has the whole project back...Los Osos has demonstrated that we can not govern ourselves well enough to create a major capital project... We can't even have a Chipping Day without some idiot trying to take advantage of the weakness of this CSD...

CSD's do work in other communities, but this sewer became a life of it's own... There will always be anomosity on all sides for the next generation... That Recall was the worst possible action that could have happened...

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

M,

In retrospect, it was probably unwise to vote for a CSD. We would have a sewer by now. Because of that choice on our part our costs went up.

In retrospect, it was probably unwise to vote for the recall. We would have a sewer by now. Because of that choice on our part our costs went up.

Mark said...

Hi Maria,

"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."
How can you claim this to be a fact?

Mark said...

Toons,

Why don't you try to cover for Maria and give us your take on Maria's statement?
"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."
Snark, MIKE?

Mike said...

That's not my take on what Maria has said... but you'll spin it anyway you want... sort of like how you try to sell us the Wrecklamator... all spin...

Mark said...

You might want to have your eyes checked MIKE.
If they are OK, then your comprehension is as bad as I previously suspected.

GetRealOsos said...

Shark,

Again, your spin is absolutely incredible!

You said, "You ask why Maria is willing to chat with Don and Richard and Gordon..."

CHAT? CHAT? Who said "chat"?? Nope, I said she hangs with Beardon like a kissing cousin (whether at BOS or CSD meetings or at her table at Ralphs) and Gordon and Richard (add Sparks and TW group) -- she meets with them. Meetings Shark, hardly just a chatting!! (love your spin on it though).

Linde Owen has spoken with Maria and so have others. Either you don't know what you're talking about or out right lying (and always acting as the lobbyist of course).

As far as you voting for Karen, you NEVER intended to vote for her in the first place. Another lie. To call someone with the grace of Karen a low life only shows your true colors.

P.S. Maria won't engage me in conversation here on the blog, I've tried three times and she only answered the question of her work background, which I personally feel is very questionable. Her claim to fame is the ugly fence at the community center, the painted bears that look no different, and the ugly green water towers. What a joke, so from what I see is nothing more than her running for Gordon and Richard because they can't run and she'll get brownie points for her husband's career at Cal Poly and of course maybe she'll be able to build on her lot sooner than others (we'll wait to see on that one!)

P.S.S. You've shown recently that you are a liar and fraud, yet Maria and crew look to you as their leader and defend you. What does that say about Maria and crew, hint, nothing good!!

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

GetReal,

Are you saying you support Karen's e-mail which contains factual errors that make Maria look bad? If so, you are a low life. Any discussion of our community should be one where honest discussion is welcomed but dishonesty is eschewed.

Here's a question for you. Will you do the right thing and tell Karen that her e-mail is in error and needs a retraction ... or are you one of those who use the ends to justify the means?


I would also humbly suggest that if you really want Maria to engage you in conversation here, you might want to lose the 'tude. She is probably thinking "why waste time answering silly and largely irrelevant questions from a person who seems pretty hateful?"

GetRealOsos said...

Shark,

I just love what you choose to ignore! You are something else!

Maria does a whole lot more than just chat w/Beardon, recalled board and TW.

Also, you suggest that people like Linde Owen haven't approached Maria and spoken with her, that's not true and you ignore that.

I don't like to blog all the time but on the other hand I can not and will not let you go on and on with your lobby efforts, your lies and distractions.

So now I'm a low life, Karen's a low life. You're a creep.

Why don't you ask Jeff Young if he thinks that of Karen? Maria is only filling in for Gordon and Richard.

After viewing the RWQCB meeting that aired tonight - it is more clear than ever what is really going on with Paavo and the County.

One more thing...those bids that were accepted 50% over budget - you asked Richard to weigh in but he didn't -- maybe because they got an absolutely huge amount of kick back money. How else could this be explained???

Sewertoons said...

getrealosos angrily snorts about Maria:
"Her claim to fame is the ugly fence at the community center, the painted bears that look no different, and the ugly green water towers."

Art expert getreal must be right of course - along with his/her expertise as fact checker extraordinaire!

Gee, getreal, why don't you call the County and see what color it REQUIRES on water tanks these days - it is blackish green, the color the CSD was TOLD to paint them. (But of course you would argue that Maria is on the TAC, so that must be how the color was chosen in the first place.)

Why do you bother to write this stuff? It is just absurd and makes you look idiotic.

You say of Maria, "…- she meets with them. Meetings Shark, hardly just a chatting!!" AND "…of course maybe she'll be able to build on her lot sooner than others"

Are you stalking her too? You are really beginning to creep me out.

Mark said...

Toons,

Why don't you try to cover for Maria and give us your take on Maria's statement?
"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."
Shark, "MIKE(is off the hook and hanging out to dry. I love dried fish)"?

5:26 PM, October 11, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clintonian_triangulation
Many members of the U.S. Democratic Party, in particular the rank and file, insist that triangulation is "dead." They cite the attempted uses of triangulation by Democrats in the 2000 and 2004 U.S. presidential elections. In the 2000 election, Al Gore's call for larger tax cuts than those of opponent George W. Bush was seen more as an admission that Bush was correct on the issue. The use of triangulation by John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election, in such areas as the War in Iraq, resulted in flip-flopping charges. It also forced Kerry to defend positions that he took which he may or may not have actually had.

Many rank-and-file Democrats use the term "triangulation" as a pejorative, sometimes in reference to the Democratic Leadership Council. They believe that triangulation has led to multiple electoral defeats and eroded the principles of those who use the strategy.

GetRealOsos said...

Sewertoons:

Thanks for answering for Shark and Maria.

I forgot to mention the $10,000. calendar with the help of her son's class. Now, that was a waste of money and shows Maria is "out of it".

I was simply amazed at her behavior at the recent RWQCB meeting.

She said as fact that Mary Fullwood, Piper Riley, and others were no sewer people.

There is only one reason to stand up and lie like that - corruption!!

Talk about corruption, since you like to answer for all Dreamers just why did the recalled board accept bids 50% over? That's an extreme amount of money! Millions and millions!!!!

No answers why, only blaming it on Bud Sanford.

Looks like very large kick backs to anyone really looking at this.

GetRealOsos said...

Sewertoons:

One more thing...about those bids...wouldn't that 50% equal about (over) $70 million?

Who got some of that money??

Gee, Legros could pay cash for his house in Cabrillo. Hey, Stan could buy a castle in Ohio. Was Paavo in on the deal too?

To blame that overage on Bud Sanford is crazy. What a lame excuse for accepting bids 50% over!

Nope, too much money involved and too high of chances for kick backs. This needs to be investigated more. It would have been great if not for the "break-in" at MWH office in 2005.

Mike said...

The one thing constant in the Los Osos politik is ass's like getrealoso creating rummors...

Yeah getreal, YOU are an ASS and a LIAR and a RUMOR MONGER....

YOU know it, I know it and this whole community is turned off by your brand of character assasignation...

YOU ARE A TOTAL AND COMPLETE ASS...!!!

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

GetReal,

Are you saying that you support Karen's campaign telling lies about Maria?

Personally, I would be embarrassed if the candidate I supported lied to make the opposition look bad. Do you feel badly about that? Again, if you don't tell Karen and her campaign folks that they're making a mistake, you are just as bad.

That you complain about others lack of honesty when your own chosen candidate exhibits dishonesty shows that to you the issue isn't about honesty but something else.

On the question of Maria calling Piper Riley "no sewer" ... I'll bet that you can't find the spot on the video (start at slospan.org) which proves your claim. I'll bet that it is just a misunderstanding on your part. However, if you are right, we should ask Maria for a clarification of her remarks if not a retraction or apology.

Of course, I do have to wonder if Piper Riley really isn't anti-sewer. I have yet to see from her an affirmation that she unconditionally in favor of a sewer for our town. To me she seems to support STEP only and that she would prefer no sewer to a gravity system. On that issue also, you could convince me that my impression is incorrect.


On the question of who is "addicted" to posting here ... in this comment section, you've got 15 comments so far .... I've got 12 (before this message), Mike has 10, Toons has 8 and others fewer. Are you sure that it isn't you who is posting "24/7", a charge you levy against others?

Mark said...

Hi Maria,

"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."
How can you claim this to be a fact?


Shark?

Prefix528 said...

Mark

It is just as Maria says. The 218 funds insure that the option of an out of town site (and a STEP collection system) will receive full consideration in the County's planning. The vote specifically authorizes money to purchase an out of town site.

The December 18, 2007 Engineer’s Report for the 218 vote included costs “sufficient to fund a range of viable alternatives”. This included purchase of a treatment facility site ($1,986,207) and funds for engineering plans and permitting ($14,748,967).

The Tri-W site is already owned by the CSD and engineering plans and permits had been secured for the abandon project. If that option were to have been the only one considered there would have been no need for extra funding to purchase land at a new site, draw up engineering plans, and apply for new permits.

Howie said...

AAA Identity Confirmation



**FRAUD ALERT**




NOTORIOUS VCU HACKER SURFACES ONLINE IN LOS OSOS, CALIFORNIA; "SHARK INLET" IDENTIFIED AS
CAL POLY PROFESSOR STEVE REIN



The suspected hacker who wreaked havoc at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia, in the late '90s, but fled the state before he could be brought up on criminal charges, has been traced to California's Central Coast and identified as Cal Poly University statistics professor, Steve Rein.
At VCU Rein was accused of setting up a website that discredited a Christian parenting organization, Growing Families International, and attacked its founders with lies, distortions and extremist statements. But that was just the beginning of Rein's over-the-top reign of Internet terror against GFI. Rein then reportedly hacked a GFI computer, stealing attorney-privileged documents, and posted them on his website. Caught red-handed with his electronic fingerprint on the cookie jar, Reins bolted while the investigation was still in progress.
"In addition to the many false and misleading postings found on his site, we have personally seen the written documents implicating Mr. Rein in a potentially prosecutable crime against GFI," wrote a GFI spokesperson.
In 1997 GFI discovered that a password protected area and other back areas of their computer were wrongfully accessed leaving behind an electronic fingerprint. The matter was first turned over to local and federal law enforcement officers for review and comment. An investigation of criminal misconduct followed. GFI reports that their management personnel retraced the wrongful access back to a single computer located on the campus of Virginia Commonwealth University (VCU). The computer was assigned to Professor Steve Rein."
Not surprisingly, Rein is again involved in shady online activities, this time in Los Osos blogging under the anonymous moniker of "Shark Inlet." Using similar tactics in Los Osos to those he deployed at VCU, Rein is suspected of managing an online disinformation campaign on behalf of the San Luis Obispo County Department of Public Works against activists fighting the County's plan to build the most expensive wastewater project per capital in U.S. history in little Los Osos. Activists contend the County has intentionally priced the project to displace one-third of Los Osos' 16,500 residents who won't be able to afford to pay a $300 a month sewer bill and thousands more to hook up.
At least one complaint has been previously lodged against Rein for using a Cal Poly computer to post political messages on Los Osos blogsites promoting the County project. He may also have used a Cal Poly computer to hack password-protected areas on private computers in Los Osos to steal attorney-privileged documents that later fell into the hands of a local Los Osos nuisance litigator, Taxpayers Watch, which is suing current Los Osos district board members and promoting local candidates in the November 4 election that Rein and the County support -- while bashing opposition candidates in public online forums.
Investigators also wouldn't mind taking a look at Rein's home computer to track his online activities, as well as his financial records to determine whether he received any compensation for his online "dirty tricks" activities on behalf of the County and pro-County candidates, and if so, how much and from whom. To access Rein's home computer would require a search warrant from a judge.

***

Please read the full details of this FRAUD ALERT. Read about Rein's outrageous actions against GFI, a Christian organization, as well as the comments below regarding Rein's character, ethics and credibility. These comments can be found online at: www.ezzotruth.com/steve-rein.html

Steve Rein owns and operates ezzoinfo, a website specifically dedicated to providing mostly negative information about Gary Ezzo and Growing Families International. The amount of misrepresentation on Mr. Rein's site is staggering. As such, it is not possible to comment on it all. We have dealt with most of the issues on the FAQ page which should give the reader an idea of deception that is being promoted on his site. However, we do think that his character might be fairly well summarized in the following account. We would not share this information about Mr. Rein if this were but a simple disagreement between individuals, but the integrity of Gary Ezzo and his Christian ministry is at stake on an international basis. Proverbs 18:17 reminds us that "the first one to present his case seems right until the second one comes along and questions him." His website postings should be viewed with extreme caution and prayerful consideration.
In addition to the many false and misleading postings found on his site, we have personally seen the written documents implicating Mr. Rein in a potentially prosecutable crime against GFI.
In 1997 GFI discovered that a password protected area and other back areas of their computer were
wrongfully accessed leaving behind an electronic fingerprint. The matter was first turned over to
local and federal law enforcement officers for review and comment. An investigation of criminal misconduct followed. GFI reports that their management personnel retraced the wrongful access back to a single computer located on the campus of Virginia Commonwealth University (VCU). The computer was assigned to Professor Steve Rein.
GFI then presented their extensive documentation to VCU officials and requested they take
appropriate administrative action against Mr. Rein, which included the removal of his "anti-Ezzo" website from the State's computers (formerly called "Red Rhino"). Through a series of meetings and phone conversations with VCU officials and the Virginia Commonwealth Attorney, GFI felt
confident that the matter would be fully investigated and properly resolved. In a letter from GFI legal representatives, GFI was informed that the Virginia Commonwealth Attorney indicated that "VCU had taken administrative action against Steve Rein." Rein's site was removed from VCU's
computers and Mr. Rein left VCU before the next fall semester. With this bit of historical context and the action taken by GFI against Mr. Rein, we believe a case can be made to at least
question Mr. Rein's motives and the tone of his site, if not the entire credibility of his website.
Since our initial posting Mr. Rein contacted us claiming he was wronged by the insinuation that he hacked into the GFI computers. We assume because it implies criminal misconduct. We wish to be very accurate with both our words and the description of the events that took place between GFI and Virginia Commonwealth University with regard to this incident. We are very willing to remove the word hacked from the original post and replace it with wrongfully accessed. However, it does not remove the significant concerns and evidence that lead GFI to pursue VCU nor does simply removing the word exonerate Mr. Rein from involvement in the intruder activity. Mr. Rein also states that his leaving VCU had nothing to do with the GFI claim against him. We have asked Mr. Rein some very specific questions regarding this incident and his leaving VCU but to date, he has refused to answer any of our questions. More evidence supportive of GFI's position will be added as needed. In addition, any other information which comes to our attention which would
change our understanding of this event will be promptly posted.

Questions Steve Rein refused to answer:

1. Legality aside, do you think it is morally or ethically acceptable for anyone to enter back sectors and password protected areas of a corporate computer, browse through files, take very specific information not made readily available to the public or linked as a viewable page, and then download and pass the information on to others?

2. For absolute clarity, are you asserting that you have never entered password or non-password protected areas of the GFI computers or that you never downloaded files from nonpublic areas of GFI computers and passed them (or their URLs) to another party?

3. Did you access and download or retrieve in any form, guestbook information from GFI computers?

4. In Christianity Today, (November 13, 2000) your name appears in an article written by Kathleen Terner clearly stating that "GFI asked legal authorities to take criminal action against Rein."

We were not made aware of this event from GFI or any other source (either publicly or privately) until Christianity Today made it public. Do you know how CT obtained this information? If you did not provide it, did you make a written protest to Christianity Today for bringing this issue to
public awareness implicating you in something possibly worthy of criminal charges?

5. Are you aware of any documentation or meetings noting that VCU took administrative actions against you or that VCU exonerated you in light of GFI claims relating to an unauthorized entry into password protected areas of their computers?

6. Are you maintaining that VCU did not request that you remove your "RedRhino" site from their computers in response to GFl claims against you?

7. Would you please clarify for us the circumstances surrounding your departure from VCU? What date did you officially resign from VCU? If you did not resign, was your contract just not renewed for some reason? What was the reason? You mentioned that you were hoping to relocate back to the west coast closer to family. If you resigned due to taking another job, we would really appreciate seeing a copy of your resignation letter or whatever documented evidence you have to notify VCU that you would not be returning. If your contract was not renewed, please provide the date that VCU notified you. Did you know that your contract was not being renewed before you decided to look for another job?

8. Please explain in detail how you came in possession of two versions of a letter concerning Roy Maynard which were in the GFI computer. Did you pass that information to Kathy Nesper, or anyone else? Were/are you co-owner of the PAM list with Kathy Nesper?

9. Are you saying that you did not meet with VCU officials or anyone else concerning the GFI claim against you?

10. Have you at any time notified the Ezzos of information to be posted on your site which may have impugned their character or their ministry efforts to find out if your information was correct? Did you ever ask them for the other side of the story on any specific issue? Please list those topics which you have listed on your site that you have discussed with the Ezzos before your post.

11. Would you please give us a prepared statement as to why you feel it is necessary to have the ezzoinfo website along with your biblical justification for your site.

12. Are you denying that your Red Rhino site which contained your personal information about the Ezzos was on VCU computers? Please quote the VCU guidelines regarding the use of their computers that gave you permission to use them for your own personal, non-university related purposes
related to accessing the GFI computers and downloading information that was not made public or linked to a viewable page.

Now you know who "Shark Inlet" really is an what he's all about.

Sewertoons said...

howie, are you Norm Risch or Gail McPherson? What the hell are you so afraid of?

Osos Change said...

Really? After reading that, I was shocked. I did not expect that.

Steve Rein, the hacker. Steve Rein, the criminal. Steve Rein, the pathological liar and spin machine. It's all starting to make sense.

Sewertoons said...

osos change, stop being a dope. What makes sense is Gail gettin' her spin machine going again. How is this relevant to the issue at hand? Karen lying about Maria?

Chuck and Steve claim to not have known about how that postcard wound up with the unauthorized use of the County seal and Blakeslee's picture. We had the hand of Gail on that one.

Perhaps Karen is being used, too. Let's ask her at tomorrow night's forum -- if she is aware of the lies she tells about Maria.

Sewertoons said...

getreal, Piper Reilly was lined up to buy a Wrecklamator (before the RWQCB announcement) - does that sound like she wanted a sewer?

Mark said...

p8,

The December 18, 2007 Engineer’s Report was written "after" the 218 (lien your house or be fined for polluting) votes were counted.

Hi Maria,

"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."
How can you claim this to be a fact?

(shark?)

Maybe Maria can explain away her "claim" at tomorrow nights Candidates Forum.
Of course if she doesn't that will be part of the record as well.

Sewertoons said...

getreal, let me repost what Maria said about the calendar because you apparently did not read what she wrote. Here it is:

"Maria: Karen has been to ONE water ops/finance meeting in the two years I've been there. Whether or not I nod by head or ask hard questions is conjecture and hearsay. She is asserting, on hearsay,as to my level of participation. The calendar, as stated on many occasions, was not developed by me. The CSD approached the teacher I am working with on conservation education in schools, requesting the USE OF the pictures for their calendar that THEY budgeted. It was a line item and if the board and community was so concerned, then that should have been discussed BEFORE approval of the budget. Reminder - we have not had a balanced budget in 3 years. I have made public comment on the budget on numerous occasions and I have not witnessed this candidate participate in any budget overruns during comments to the board. "

Now what part of this do you not understand?

Oh yes, getreal, to answer what you said:
"One more thing...about those bids...wouldn't that 50% equal about (over) $70 million?
Who got some of that money??"

Uh, in case you did not notice, there is no sewer in Los Osos. So to answer, no one but BWS got any money out of the first disbursement.

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

My gosh ...

You go and see a movie with your kids and all kind of heck breaks out.

Let's put this in some perspective.

I believe that ideas and words are important and that to focus on various other issues (like personalities) is just a distraction. I've been pretty clear about this for quite some time.

However, a few people who would seem to major in the minors ... who would seem to want to create distractions have now outed me even though they know I would have rather not had my identity revealed. Oh well, I can't do much about that now. But, in case you are interested, I am disappointed with those of you who have made that choice. An honorable person would not do what you have done.


Now that you have raised a whole host of distracting issues, I need to make some comments.

This seems to be a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". In my past I have had to stand up to a bully who was trying to push his unfounded opinion on others. I asked for evidence of his claims. For doing this I was branded an enemy by this guy and those who would follow him and a whole slew of false charges against me were made.

More often than not, the charges were the sort of thing which I could also not defend myself against ... much like a false accusation of child molestation ... there is no way of offering up a defense that will convince those who are predisposed to believe the worst. In this political season of Bill Ayers we shouldn't be surprised when such things happen.


Howie's introductory comments pushed the matter even further than I have ever heard before. He also seems to not really have bothered doing any research on the matter before using this "evidence" against me ... but perhaps the point is more to tar me than to explore the truth.

There is so much that I could comment on here, but I doubt that it would be worth my time. Those who want to believe the worst will probably do so and those who aren't so gullible will either trust me or do some research and find out that my story checks out.


Let me say that Howie's introduction to the issue is chock-full-of incorrect ("The suspected hacker ... fled the state before he could be brought up on criminal charges") and over the top statements ("internet reign of terror") ... and there's lots of speculation ("He may also have used a Cal Poly computer to ... steal attorney-privileged documents") there to boot.


Now is time to see if Ann is gonna stand up and do the right thing and put a stop to this sort of character assassination. In the past she's banned someone for "threatening" another but it would seem that the sort of threats then pale by comparison to what has happened tonite. I don't expect (or even want) Ann to delete Howie's comment. I sort of like people being able to see the level to which some in this debate will stoop (perhaps because they want their claims to go unquestioned). I do want Ann to warn Howie and others that these sort of attacks are just plain out-of-line for her blog. So ... Ann?

Mark said...

Steve Rein, the hacker. Steve Rein, the criminal. Steve Rein, the pathological liar and spin machine.

Steve Rein=Shark Inlet?

Shark, say it ain't so.

GetRealOsos said...

SHARK:

I mean, Steve, I was right. I knew you were a phony and a fraud all along! What a mind blower.

For YOU to call Karen a low life is absolutely criminal on your part. Oops, you are a criminal.

All the lies you've told: ie you've lived here since '95, you're in the PZ and getting assessed, the numbers for step are higher, Piper and Karen are no sewer people, the recalled board actions were okay, your lies about Lisa, etc. etc. etc.

You are the on line lobbyist for Tri-W/gravity/Maria/Marshall.

If you are Maria, Richard and Lynette's "hero" on these blogs then what does that say about them?




PREFIX 528:

It's a shame God didn't give any of you "Dreamers" a brain.

The 218 is the right to vote on taxes act and has nothing to do with location of any sewer and/or option!

I guess you have to cover up for Maria's stupid remarks! That's to be expected of course.



SEWERTOONS:

You are now the spin master and in charge of distractions now that Shark has been revealed for his true colors???

Let's ask Maria about her friend, Professor Rein tomorrow night. She hangs with criminals!?

Karen got ONE fact wrong, so did Ron Crawford, in fact, so did LAFCO!!!!

So, what lie(s) are you accusing Karen of exactly?! I'D LIKE TO HEAR!

Piper, Karen, Mary Fullwood and others only ask for an affordable/environmentally sound project -- how you and Maria can say in public that they are no sewer people makes MARIA OUT TO BE ONE BIG FAT LIAR! (That goes for you too Lynette!)

County biscuits for Lynette and hubby! Maria and hubby! and Sharky & family!!

Cal Poly biscuits for Maria and hubby! Lynette and hubby! and Sharky & family!!

Woof!!

Mark said...

Shark, why not answer the questions above?
If you have nothing to hide and it's really all just a mis understanding you should welcome the opportunity to clear this matter up, instead of running away from it, Steve.

Howie said...

Steve,

You can always tell Ann you feel threatened by the truth ... Maybe that will work.

Or, after years of doing the very same things you accuse others of doing, it's your "Coming Out Party" ... don't fight it. Just throw your legs over your head and enjoy it!!!

The best medicine for you, my friend, is a good dose of your own ...

Cheers ... and Happy Hacking!!!


Howie

Frank said...
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Mark said...

Shark, why not answer the questions above?
If you have nothing to hide and it's really all just a mis understanding you should welcome the opportunity to clear this matter up, instead of running away from it, Steve.

Hi Maria,

"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."
How can you claim this to be a fact?

(Stiv?)

Frank said...

interesting what a little (about 10 minutes) of research shows after which the anti-Shark contingent will eat some humble pie if they have half of a brain:

This Ezzo character who went after Rein is apparently quite the character in the Christian community as the report excerpt from Christianity Today (October 2007)to follow shows.

So Ososchange/GetReal/Mark and whoever wants to pile on Rein understand that you have made idiots of yourself by aligning yourself with the ramblings of Ezzo who is the equivalent of a cult leader who apparently feeds children with questionable practices and all Rein did was challenge him (hmmm sounds familiar) and so Rein has a similar position supported by the American Academy of Pediatrics (wow, that's a scary organization if I ever heard of one) whereas GetReal/Ososchange/Mark I guess must think the American Academy of Pediatrics are stupid because the AAP (like Rein) are concerned about kids being dehydrated from inappropriate feeding practices so the moral of the story is GetReal/OsosChange/Mark are comfortable with unscientific and unsafe practices for feeding kids which explains their unscientific thoughts on wastewater and just about everything else they ramble on about...read below and weep you mindless idiots aka GetReal/Ososchange/Mark!

'From Christianity Today, Online Edition, posted 10/27/2000
Unprepared to Teach Parenting?
Two churches long associated with Babywise author Gary Ezzo denounce his character and fitness for
Christian ministry.
By Kathleen Terner | posted 10/27/00
Two California churches have issued statements saying that Gary Ezzo, president of Growing Families
International (GFI), is unfit for Christian ministry. Both of the churches have interacted closely with Ezzo.
Ezzo and his wife, Ann Marie, developed the popular yet highly controversial infant-feeding program
outlined in Preparation for Parenting. They also developed the bestseller On Becoming Babywise and
several church-marketed programs for parents, including Growing Kids God's Way.
Living Hope Evangelical Fellowship of Granada Hills, California, officially "excommunicated" Ezzo on
April 30. Ezzo and his wife had already stopped attending the church.
The elders of Living Hope issued a statement saying they believe Ezzo is "biblically disqualified from all
public ministry" because of a lack of truthfulness, Christian character, and accountability.
Two other congregations have taken similar punitive measures against Ezzo in the past 20 years.
Living Hope is the congregation to which Ezzo said he was accountable when Sun Valley's Grace
Community Church, pastored by author John MacArthur, severed its support for Ezzo and GFI.
Grace Community is where Ezzo served as a staff member and first developed his parenting programs.
Grace disavowed all association with GFI in October 1997, publicly rebuking him due to divisiveness.
Grace Community also rejects GFI curriculum. "[Ezzo] failed to draw a clear line between what is biblical
and what is his preference," Phil Johnson, an elder at Grace Community, told the Southern California
Christian Times in September. "The whole thing is fraught with danger. It obscures what is biblical."
MacArthur issued a second statement on July 25, saying he believes Ezzo is disqualified "from Christian
leadership or public ministry in any context" and that character issues Grace brought to Ezzo's attention
years ago remain unresolved. More than 15 years ago, His Vantage Point Church in Laconia, New
Hampshire, asked Ezzo to step down as pastor-teacher in part because of his divisive conduct.
Churches are not the only ones severing ties to Ezzo and GFI. The accounting firm of Hamilton, Boynton,
and Speakman terminated its relationship with GFI in February. The firm has issued no corporate comment.
But Chris Hamilton, a partner at the firm, says Ezzo misled him personally regarding the firm's
investigation of whether GFI funds were misappropriated.
Further, several key GFI staff members have quit the organization. These actions have added to the
controversy surrounding Ezzo and GFI. The Ezzos' program for "parent-directed feeding" (PDF), their
advice about physical punishment for young toddlers, and the lack of independent research to support their
methods, have generated an international controversy among Christian leaders, pediatricians, and lactation
experts.
Apology requested
During a lengthy interview with Christianity Today in August, Ezzo said his critics have unjustly maligned
him and misrepresented the work of GFI. Ezzo told CT he is due an apology from Grace Community
Church.
Ezzo and GFI supporters dismiss criticisms, pointing to many success stories in which infants sleep through
the night and older children are more obedient when parents use GFI methods.
Bufe Karraker, senior pastor of Northwest Church is Fresno, California, says members of his congregation
have used GFI materials for seven years. Karraker declined to address the concerns of Grace Community or
Living Hope, but he reaffirmed what he considers the positive value of GFI curriculum.
"We have profited tremendously from the Growing Kids materials. We are going to continue using it
because it helps our people," Karraker said.
Children whose parents take the program are well-behaved and "the children whose parents don't are
terrors," Karraker said.
In response to his ouster from Living Hope, Ezzo submitted himself this year to two ad-hoc groups, which
examined Living Hope's findings. The first panel was composed of GFI regional representatives. The
second was made up of anonymous individuals who are "independent of GFI organizationally."
The GFI regional representatives said they could not endorse the discipline process carried out at Living
Hope, whose elders declined to meet with either group.
Living Hope has not provided specific details concerning Ezzo's alleged misconduct. Neither of the ad-hoc
committees found cause for Ezzo to remove himself from Christian ministry or GFI leadership.
Ezzo questions the motives of Living Hope's leadership. "If you have the Ezzos in your church and if the
Ezzos are leaving for some reason, that does create a dilemma," he told CR. "The idea of the threat of
church discipline against a national leader and the motive behind it is at least somewhat suspect."
Ezzo says the elders carried out the excommunication only after he expressed unnamed concerns with them
and then left the church voluntarily.
The Living Hope elders' statement tells a different story. It notes that, in accordance with Matthew 18, they
called upon Ezzo to acknowledge his offenses, pleaded with him to repent, and were saddened by his
"persistent unwillingness to respond to biblical admonition."
Ezzo also questions the integrity of the elders at Grace, saying their statement represents "blatant
deception." Grace was not willing to have its actions evaluated, he says, and "[we] believe they owe us a
public apology."
Ezzo's current pastor, Ron Seidel of Granada Hills Community Church in California, dismisses the
concerns of Living Hope's elders based on his belief that they mishandled the discipline of another Living
Hope ex-member who is an associate of Ezzo's and now attends Seidel's congregation.
Is Ezzo who he says he is?
An inquiry by CT into Ezzo's background surfaces many new questions about his training, his conduct, and
his professional interactions. Parents trust Ezzo to be professional and authoritative on parenting, yet many
are not aware that he has no professional background in child development, medicine, or breastfeeding
support.
Ezzo, GFI, and his publisher have attributed to him three different academic degrees that he does not have.
Ezzo stated in writing that he had an associate's degree in business from Mohawk Community College in
Utica, New York, even specifying a major and a grade-point average. He never graduated from that school,
officials say.
GFI and Ezzo's publisher, Multnomah, have both said he earned a master's degree in Christian education,
but he holds no such degree. The master of arts in ministry that he does have gives significant credit for life
experience and is designed for noncollege graduates.
Ezzo has remained silent on at least two occasions when he has been publicly but erroneously referred to as
"Dr. Gary Ezzo." One of these was a national radio ad for one of his books.
A former Multnomah employee—responsible for the ad at the time—said that Ezzo may not have heard the
reference in the ad. But the former employee confirms that Ezzo listened to the ad and did not comment on
this error, although Ezzo did discuss other changes.
Three months after the radio ad aired, a church secretary in Billings, Montana, confirmed by telephone that
Ezzo requested no correction when he saw a bulletin listing him as the church's featured speaker and twice
calling him "Dr."
Questions about Ezzo's qualifications are relevant because his infant-feeding advice is inconsistent with
standard medical recommendations—but he stresses that following GFI programs is necessary for the
optimal development of children.
Both Babywise and Preparation for Parenting tell parents that not following PDF principles is a potential
health concern and that the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) supports Ezzo's recommended number
of feeding times.
GFI's Web site displays an extensive chart listing the similarities between Ezzo's feeding recommendations
and those of the AAP. Parents are not told, however, that the AAP does not support scheduled feedings and
has in fact issued a media alert about the poor weight gain and dehydration that may result.
More specifically, AAP officers have passed both district-level and nationwide resolutions clearly stating
that Ezzo's PDF program "outlines an infant feeding schedule inconsistent with AAP recommendations."
Nevertheless, Ezzo told CR that the pediatricians' association is "starting to agree with us on a number of
issues—we're feeling pretty good about it."
Ezzo's books also tell parents that two leading breastfeeding authorities, Jan Riordan and Kathleen
Auerbach, support their recommended number of feeding times.
The books do not mention that Riordan and Auerbach's breastfeeding guide specifically warns readers of
failure-to-thrive babies associated with GFI programs.
Although Ezzo does instruct parents to feed babies when they are hungry, he also tells them that there are
"minimum" and "acceptable" times between feedings and warns them not to consistently feed sooner than
scheduled. This advice is what distinguishes PDF from advice given by any professional organization
dedicated to infant health.
In the past, Ezzo has claimed to have "hundreds of pediatricians" who provide him with "expert medical
advice." He has yet to release this list. Several years after first developing his feeding program, Ezzo did
add pediatrician Robert Bucknam as coauthor of Babywise. He also began listing a "medical advisory
board," including some pediatricians who speak to the benefits of the program in their own families and
practices.
Yet the scientific support for the medical validity of Ezzo's infant programs has been limited to the results
of GFI's own studies based on "convenience samples." Research professionals considered such data little
more than a collection of anecdotes.
Missing money: a public concern?
Recent financial woes at GFI have also heightened concerns about Ezzo's professional conduct. Chris
Hamilton of Hamilton, Boynton, and Speakman told CT that Ezzo requested the firm's involvement in an
"embezzlement investigation" in August 1999. Ezzo reversed himself by February 2000, telling Hamilton
that he had loaned money to his son-in-law, Robert Garcia, and that it was not a significant sum Ezzo had
earlier specified in writing.
Yet Garcia told CT that he himself misappropriated funds from GFI. At Garcia's request, Hamilton also
confirmed that money was, in his words, "embezzled."
There have been no criminal charges in connection with the misuse of funds. Reliable anonymous sources
told CT that nearly $500,000 was involved. (GFI has estimated annual revenues of $4 million, according to
media reports.)
Asked by CT about the financial problems, Ezzo said that "if there was any offense" it was against him and
his wife.
"It really doesn't matter, and it's not of any public interest," Ezzo said. "It has not had an effect on public
ministry, and therefore it's not something for public dialogue."
Shortly after the incident came to light, the Ezzos solicited donations through their Community Perspective
newsletter. They appealed to "every parent who is now experiencing a good night['s] sleep" because of
Babywise or Preparation for Parenting to send in a tax-deductible gift to the Ezzos' nonprofit arm, Christian
Family Heritage (CFH), to meet "the growing challenges across America and around the world."
CFH, which helps pay for parenting education, has not publicly released its annual report. CFH is not a
member of the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability.
Intimidating critics
Ezzo has a well-established pattern of sharply rebutting his professional critics. He has characterized his
Christian critics as "wicked" and lumped them with others he calls "anti-God." He has described others as
"marsupial," "primitivistic," "prideful," and "theologically naïve."
Ezzo has also tried to intimidate those who write about him. In one striking case, after the newsweekly
World ran a story by senior writer Roy Maynard that detailed criticism of GFI, Ezzo concocted a
disparaging interview transcript from two previous phone conversations with Maynard. Ezzo sent letters to
World editor Marvin Olasky calling for an investigation and suggesting the magazine consider asking for
Maynard's resignation. He asked Maynard's church elders to take disciplinary action against him. Ezzo
wrote two markedly different versions of the interviews. Frank York, his editorial director at the time, says
there were no audiotapes.
Steve Rein, then a professor at Virginia Commonwealth, discovered the two theoretically verbatim but
differing interviews on GFI's Web site. In response, GFI asked legal authorities to take criminal action
against Rein, but no charges were ever filed.
York says Ezzo asked him on another occasion to obtain legal information about how to report Grace
Community's MacArthur to the IRS, but he asked York to conceal Ezzo's involvement in the request.
York recounts phoning, e-mailing, and faxing all correspondence with an attorney from York's home. He
paid fees with a personal check, later reimbursed by the Ezzos.
MacArthur's office says Grace Community is unaware of any IRS investigation. Because York became
concerned about the nature of these activities, he saved copies of documents to corroborate his account.
No plans for changes
During his exclusive interview with CT, Ezzo remained upbeat about GFI's future. But both Living Hope
and Grace Community paint a starkly different portrait of Ezzo. The elders' statement at Living Hope says,
"It saddens us to know that Gary has failed to repent of former sins which we confronted, and even sadder
still we have learned from him that he continues to widen the circle of his lies, slander, gossip, and false
accusations.
"Because of his persistent unwillingness to respond to biblical admonition … we are fearful that Gary's
heart has been hardened…. In the end, it was his impenitence that caused us to put him out of the church."
Similarly, the recent statement by MacArthur notes that Ezzo still neglects to address the integrity issues
Grace brought to his attention years ago, even though he had promised to do so.
Asked by CT about his intentions for his future leadership of GFI, Ezzo replied, "I have no plans to make
any changes.
"We have no reason to change anything," Ezzo said. "[We] have no unresolved conflicts in our lives,
relational conflicts that impair our public leadership…. We really do attempt to fulfill Romans 14:19 to the
glory of God."

Mark said...

Shark, why not answer the questions above?
If you have nothing to hide and it's really all just a mis understanding you should welcome the opportunity to clear this matter up, instead of running away from it, Steve.

Hi Maria,

"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."
How can you claim this to be a fact?

(Stiv?)

Sorry for the re-post. Frank deleted the post while my response posted.
I wanted to be certain things were in order.

Mark said...

Who let the dogs out? Woof, Woof, Woof...
Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Mark said...

Toons,

Why don't you try to cover for Maria and give us your take on Maria's statement?
"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

GetReal,

I think that when you are coming up with the list of "lies" I've told you may be thinking of someone else and/or you are being sloppy:

I haven't claimed to live here since 95.
I do actually live in the PZ.
I did not claim that STEP was more expensive.
I did not say that Karen was anti-sewer.
I did not say that Piper was anti-sewer.

Perhaps you should be more careful.


On the question of whether Karen made a mistake with her bashing of Maria as pro-dissolution. Sure, it may have been a mistake. If that is the case, I am sure that you have let her know and that she will retract her statement. Why don't you ask her in public on Monday? Why not give her the opportunity to correct her error and apologize in public.

You've told us here that Karen's statement was incorrect. Any candidate who viewed truth as important would, I'm sure, make every effort to correct such a misstatement.

Has Karen done so yet or will she do so Monday?



Mark,

I am not trying to hide anything. However, it is more than just a misunderstanding. When people chose to make false statements that are carefully designed to be difficult to disprove (like "the suspected hacker who wreaked havoc at Virginia Commonwealth University ... fled the state before he could be brought up on criminal charges") commenting usually doesn't help the situation.

However, because you've asked and I've got 5 minutes. Some folks from an organization named GFI ... some folks who didn't like me asking questions about the infant child rearing method they promoted (questions like "is there a medical or Biblical basis for your insistence that infants should be fed on a strict schedule instead according to the recommendations of the American Academy of Pediatrics?" ... you know, really slimy stuff). These folks falsely claimed that I had hacked their computers. The police investigated and found no basis for the accusation. The claim that I fled the state before charges could be pressed is simply silly because I lived in Virginia for a full 1.5 years after the initial false charges. Also, Howie may be unaware that if a person is to be charged with a crime in one state they can be arrested in another state.


I don't intend to address the other issues Howie raised because they are a distraction from the real issues and for me to dive into a response would dignify Howie's defamatory posting. Those who are truly interested can read all about it online elsewhere like ezzo.info.

Mark said...
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GetRealOsos said...

Frank,

Frank is SharkInlet. SharkInlet is Steven Rein.

Steve, you missed the point. No one cares about your problem with GIF, it's what you, yourself did that was criminal and you must realize you did it to yourself.

You outed yourself because of your compulsive behavior and no amount of lengthy explanation will make you anything other than a chronic liar with no ethics and no credibility on this blog.

P.S. The truth always (eventually) comes out.

Mark said...

Shark,
Your response is unresponsive.
Seems your personality is showing.

You haven't commented on the Maria Kelly gaffe, yet. Why?

Sewertoons said...

You know getreal, I could out you, but I think that is kinda slimy, I won't stoop to that level, so I won't. Nite all.

PS Maybe you can explain why Piper was going to buy a Wrecklamator?

Osos Change said...

How dare you, Steve.

How dare you.

Do you think we're that stupid? You go on as "Frank" to defend yourself. That's absolutely pathetic -- and even if you're not "Frank," you feel the need to have someone else wipe your ass after you've done a number of crap-slinging.

Your credibility is dead and gone.

Mike said...

There are a couple of extremely sick individuals posting here: getrealosos and osos change..!!!!

To what extent will you go to get your candidate elected...??? That is the purpose of your character smear campaign...??? All this because of a damn sewer....??? I certainly am backing Maria and Marshal because we need to end the getrealosos and osos change style of corruption in this community....!!!

I would hate to be on the same road with them, they are so filled with hate that they are a danger to themselves... Maybe they'll try to find out who I am next... Are we ready for these personal attacks...??? This is way beyond watching Julie cycle thru her public affairs and failed marriage... Way beyond putting up with Al Barrow hiding behind his mental illness...

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Steve's religious faith and beliefs, but for some sick individual to try smearing him for that...??? What kind of nut case is that...??? What did any of that smear have to do with the election of a couple candidates to this failed CSD...????

Because of those extreme and nasty personal attacks, I am redoubling my financial support of the TaxPayers Watch... They are the only organization capable of exposing the corruption getrealosos and osos change types have brought into this community...!!!! More than ever do I believe the Los Osos Community Sevices District should be dissolved because the leadership has nothing, in fact has kept alive some stupid dream that Los Osos will ever have control of the much needed sewer project.... That sick dream perpetuates hope in vile individuals such as the getrealosos and osos change...

Like the sewer project and the idea of having local government in the form of a CSD and maybe a City Council will never happen as long as getrealosos and osos change attitudes exist... The destroyed the CSD... now they're destroying this blog...

There is the possibility that as these individuals have chosen to dump on Shark, that they in turn will be singled out and named in a libel suit... I would back that action 100%...

Mark said...

Hi Maria,

"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."
How can you claim this to be a fact?

Toons(Lynnette),

Why don't you try to cover for Maria and give us your take on Maria's statement?
"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."

MIKE,

Your indignation speaks volumes.
More tea?

Shark(Stiv/Steve),

You have been hooked...

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

Mark,

What "gaffe" by Maria did you want me to comment on. I didn't notice any.


OsosChange and GetReal,

When you accuse me of posting under another name or accuse me of getting someone else to post under that name you have crossed the line. I will respond to you when you are on topic or if I feel like it when you aren't.

Frank said...

Ososchange you are stupid, really really stupid. As they say stupid is as stupid does and it is a joy to wipe off Shark's butt with you and rub your face in it as it is apparent you have comprehension problems and you have failed to read anything because if you had you would understand all the 'outing' has done is expose Shark as someone who stands up to bullys following a tired old script and not just in Los Osos but also in Virginia as well only for a better cause than our piddly ass little sewer that the likes of you and 'the control freak' and the dwindling zombies frantically try to to hang on to their illusion of import and competence by trumping up the non-accomplishments of a glorified secretary now a first grade class could do the research to understand Shark took on another cult wacko in the interest of the health of children which is pretty commendable if you ask me but to answer the question again yes you are stupid

Mark said...

sss,

I know your agenda will not allow you to follow the money.

The 218 had nothing to do with ensuring anything but a study to evaluate a community collection system, that th county could get behind, as detailed in AB2701.

There wasn't any verbiage regarding location of a facility on the 218 ballot.

For Maria to claim such exposes her agenda and judgement, which you seem to support.

Most sharks need to constantly swim in order to breathe and can't sleep very long, if at all, or they will sink.

Are you a nurse shark?

I am enjoying Maria's, Toons, MIKE and now your reaction(s) to this simple question.

I Love LO!

Mark said...

it is a joy to wipe off Shark's butt...

Oh Frank you are a funny one.
I Love LO!!

Maria's October surprise:)

Mike said...

Mark, you have already been exposed as a fraud... now you seem to like trying for a greater prize... Just what is your current agenda...???

Certainly you aren't running for a seat on the Board, so are we to know that you need Karen on the CSD Board to help you foster some new snakeoil and improved proposition...??? Can't wait to see you gettng the RWCQB approval on your next "service'....

With your endorsement of Karen, and of course that of your very close brother, osos change and getrealosos, Maria should win hands down... Thanks for being such a fun clown....

Mark said...

MIKE,

Your lack of reading comprehension is showing.
Please cut and paste my support of Karen.

In the broadest sense, a fraud is a deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime, and is also a civil law violation.

Please choose your words concerning me more carefully or I'll ask sss to use his IT skill sets to track you down;-)

Sewertoons said...

How about this take mark?

Had the 218 NOT passed, the broke state of California would have stepped in to build the plant. Do you have any idea of the power of AB2701 and how it came into being and the CONSEQUENCES of not supporting it? Ya think the State would be mollie coddling a bunch of whiners from Los Osos the way the County has to? You'd be looking at a plant at Tri-W going up, brick by brick, positively!

At least those who want it out of town have assured themselves the chance to get it.

Now do YOU get it?

Sewertoons said...

mark says:

" Fraud is a crime, and is also a civil law violation."

Can we expect a striped suit for your partner Tom then?

Mike said...

Gee Mark, I'm really afraid of you and your silly stupid sisters sss... plhutttffff

My words have always spoken the truth of which getrealosos has no concept... Spin all you wish, but the community is no longer listening to you and your vile friends...

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

Mark,

I think you believe Maria's "gaffe" was saying that the yes vote on the recent 218 was a vote to allow for an out of town possibility.

Sounds pretty accurate to me. If the vote had been "no" the County would have stopped cold ... it would have been a vote for no progress at all, the return of the project to the LOCSD who was not in the financial position to even borrow money to design anything ... and, as Toons points out, a likely state takeover. I don't know what they would have done, but those wanting an out of town plant should have voted for the 218 because it seemed the most certain path towards that possibility.

If you're gonna argue that no specific "out of town" language was on the ballot so we cannot interpret a yes vote as Maria does, you are picking at nits. Did you complain when people characterized the Measure B vote as being opposed to TriW (which wasn't mentioned in the measure)? Did you complain when the recall candidates interpreted their victory as opposition to TriW (when TriW was not on the ballot at all)?

Also, as Ron and others have pointed out, the County planning process seems to be heading us toward gravity and out of town unless the upcoming community survey and/or engineering and/or cost considerations dictate otherwise.

All in all, this "gaffe" appears to be one you've made up. Maybe you should head down to Farmers today and ask her directly. Maybe you should ask tonite. Certainly with the tone here of late, I can see why Maria would have far better things to do with her time than answer nit-picky questions from people who have shown they are opposed to her candidacy whatever her answer might be.


Also, Mike said you were a fraud, not that you had committed fraud. Perhaps you don't understand that those two terms are quite different.

Mike said...

It seems Mark is a salesman without a product... rather than going back to selling lunchmeat or fertilizer, he appears to be embarking on a junket as a political analysis... like a weather predictor needing only a 50% accuracy, a political analysist only needs to sound authoritative to gather an audience...

Go Maria, you will be a much needed addition to the LOCSD...

TCG said...

I was going to say "interesting reading the past few days," but on second thought, it is more frustrating and depressing than interesting.

AB 2701 legally transferred the authority to plan, build and operate a sewer system for Los Osos from the CSD to the County. The bill actually has language in it prohibiting the CSD from working on a sewer in any way while it is a County project so that there will not be conflicting actions occuring that could be detrimental to the success of the project development.

Additionally, a Prop 218 vote that authorized property related funding for the County project passed overwhelmingly.

So, the County has the legal responsibility for the project and the legal authority for property related funding. It just so happens that they are conducting a process that allows for community input--both ongoing for the past year and a half, plus in a community survey to be conducted after the draft EIR and peer review report are completed (both soon, thank God!).

Given the above, I have no interest in hearing specifically what the candidates for the two CSD positions, or their supporters, think about sewer related issues that the CSD has no control over. I am interested in whether they have respected/will respect, and not disrupt in any way, the County and it's process that they are carrying out according to State law.

I am very interested in hearing the candidates clearly indicate to me their understanding of what the remaining responsibilities of the CSD are, and what concepts they have for approaching the handling of those responsibilities.

The personal attacks in the Obama-MCCain race are frustrating, disappointing, and lead to a serious lack of critical information. The personal attacks on the CSD candidates are no less rediculous, self-serving and contrary to a good democratic process.

Osos Change said...

Steve,

If I call the police in Richmond, VA, will they tell me you have a clean record?

If I tell them what you're doing here, would they be interested?

According to the records that I'm looking at now, criminal charges were filed against you, but like Stan Gustafson, you fled the state.

You have asked me to provide proof and evidence, but now, things have changed. The burden is on you to prove that you've been cleared of the charges so I say...

PROVE IT!

... or else you're just the runaway hacker as everyone says you are.

Because you have quite a record, perhaps I should call Social Services. I feel your record demonstrates that you're an unfit parent and it would be interesting if this was brought to the Social Services.

Obviously, your parenting skills suck.

#

And Frank,

As far as Frank goes, you serve as a vivid example of the violent Dreamer. You ought to be euthanized like the sick dog you are along with the Taxpayers Watch litter.

P.S. Frank Freiler or Frankenstein?

Mike said...

...this is pretty much the direction the Move the Sewer/No Sewer Recall Campaign went...and it seems like the same disgusting animals back again, still plucking feces out of their own asses to fling...

...osos change hasn't changed a bit, still the violent sophomoric juvenile...

It's too bad you and getrealoso refuse to accept what tcg just said..."AB 2701 legally transferred the authority to plan, build and operate a sewer system for Los Osos from the CSD to the County. The bill actually has language in it prohibiting the CSD from working on a sewer in any way while it is a County project so that there will not be conflicting actions occuring that could be detrimental to the success of the project development.

Additionally, a Prop 218 vote that authorized property related funding for the County project passed overwhelmingly.

So, the County has the legal responsibility for the project and the legal authority for property related funding. It just so happens that they are conducting a process that allows for community input--both ongoing for the past year and a half, plus in a community survey to be conducted after the draft EIR and peer review report are completed (both soon, thank God!).

Given the above, I have no interest in hearing specifically what the candidates for the two CSD positions, or their supporters, think about sewer related issues that the CSD has no control over. I am interested in whether they have respected/will respect, and not disrupt in any way, the County and it's process that they are carrying out according to State law."

I agree with you tcg... Let's hear from the candidates and not the rabid animals only interested in throwing their own shit around..!!

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

OsosChange,

Your recent comment seems a bit illogical. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Along those lines, I cannot prove the things you are asking me to prove.

To address your questions, even so ...

If you were to call the police in VA they would probably not tell you anything other than they have no record of any charges being filed.

If you told them what I was doing here (what is that, by the way, I have no idea what you are even saying) they would only ask if it was in their jurisdiction. Perhaps if you feel I've done something wrong you should complain to local authorities.

There is no burden of proof that I've been cleared of charges. That no one can demonstrate that police felt the need to even file charges is sufficient.

Clearly you've chosen to simply believe what others would pass on as truth instead of being open minded and reading both sides of the story.


Lastly, you may have forgotten that Ann has warned us here that she will ban people who make threats. I consider your comments about social services to be a threatening. I will leave to her what she would want to do about this matter.

While you may feel my record demonstrates this or that, you know nothing of my record.


Howie, GetReal and OsosChange, please realize that when you pull this sort of stunt it only makes middle-of-the-road folks (such as PG and Mike Green) likely to view you and your agenda with suspicion. Certainly if I hadn't already made up my mind, I would be pushed away from Karen based on your behavior. I suspect that if people knew your willingness to damage my reputation unjustly they would run from you and all you stand for. I could be wrong, but I have great faith in the truth and in people's ability to search it out if they are interested.

Mike said...

Watching this stink unfold these past couple of weeks makes me wonder what getrealosos, osos change and howie have to gain in this election...????

Shark is not running for office, so why the viciousness toward him...??? Has Shark asked questions about any candidate that would elicit the level of threats and enuendo those 3 (or are they just 1?) have heaped on Shark... There is something very fishy in this attack on an intelligent individual who has been the calmist voice in asking valid questions...

What is getrealosos hiding...??? Why the great investigation into one person...and not a very through investigation at that...??? getrealoso has already lied and spread rumors he knew to be false... Why these recent threats from osos change...??? What are you hiding in your slime driven background...??? Howie seems to be just a wantabe investigator, but maybe just a mouth with no life but still wants to try to impress the community...

Why is this all necessary....??? It is only driving folks to vote against Karen because of her relationship to the foks who ran the nasty recall campaign... I sure don't want another Lisa or Julie sitting in that office...

Sewertoons said...

Lisa has already called out Shark from the blogs in public at a meeting about a month ago. Last weeks "Lisa Explosion" on that SAME topic Shark raised caused Chuck to have to shut down the meeting due to unruly behavior.

There has never been any question about Gail and Lisa having the same agenda. When we see this present nastiness come from supporters of Karen, one makes the immediate connection back to Lisa's public anger about Karen's ethics being questioned, and Gail - who clearly supports Karen and has used underhanded tactics in the past. It seems pretty clear who is angry at Shark and why.

They really need Karen to win this election, and once again (evidenced by Julie's veiled threats of the CSD having control on the WWTF when asking the audience to put to the candidates at the forum - "What would you do if the project should come back to the CSD?), they will resort to anything to keep that Board majority. These attacks make it all to clear that they sense the change in the Community's perception of the "new Board." They must feel that Karen is losing badly to resort to tactics even dirtier than the last election. Do they have some plan that requires this majority?

Sewertoons said...

Although somewhat infrequent, howie's past posts have evidenced a Gail-driven agenda.

GetRealOsos said...

TCG:

You say, "The personal attacks on the CSD candidates are no less rediculous, self-serving and contrary to a good democratic process...."

DID YOU SEE THE LAST REGIONAL WATER BOARD MEETING?

DID YOU HEAR WHAT PAAVO SAID TO THE RWQCB??

IF SO, HOW CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A GOOD DEMOCRATIC PROCESS REGARDING THE COUNTY?

ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN CAN SEE THAT THIS IS A BIG FIX ON THE COUNTY'S PART. GRAVITY WILL BE IT BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG. EVERYTHING ELSE (INCLUDING YOUR WRITING) IS JUST A DOG 'N' PONY SHOW.

PLEASE DON'T TREAT EVERYONE LIKE THEY'RE SO STUPID (SHARK DOES THAT) MANY OF US CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING -- WHAT MARIA IS DOING -- WHAT GORDON IS DOING.....

PLEASE DON'T TELL US THAT THIS IS A FAIR CLEAR PROCESS.

LISTEN CLOSELY TO WHAT PAAVO SAYS. WATCH THE ACTIONS OF BRUCE, MARIA AND PAAVO!

Sewertoons said...

getreal, gravity will most probably WIN because people don't want their yards torn up and they don't want the expense of buying a heavier tank to be able to park on it, or replacing their driveways and restoring their landscaping. That will be a HUGE EXPENSE. Secondary to that negative is the higher O & M costs to STEP. So don't go piling the blame for your inability to have seen these very REAL downsides to STEP on those of us who can. It really has nothing to do with Paavo or process, just the reality of the financial burden of STEP.

GetRealOsos said...

Shark,

I am done writing to you, but my last words to you are:

You live in Monarch Grove and you are not in the PZ. I doubt if you even own your home. You did say in a previous post you were here since '95, but of course, you rely on me not having to time to go back and find that particular post (and I won't).

Whatever...!

You told me to post your name when I said I knew who you were. I did so with mixed up letters.

Then I said you worked with Kitts, you said you didn't so I posted the name of a study (Testing Hemolytic Growth & Nutrient Levels Found Within Morro Bay). I guess at that point anyone could google and find your real name.

You asked for it all. You are who you are.

You called Karen a low life, how can anyone call her that? You lecture everyone on the blogs as if it's your own.

You are a Professor at Cal Poly yet spend your days and nights blogging and acting as a lobbyist for Tri-W/gravity, the recalled board, now Maria and Marshall.

That is unheard of.

You are a hacker. That is the bottom line. You are doing the exact same thing here in this very blog that you were accused of in VA.

A good mix of distractions, lies, and that's who you are. Look what you say about Lisa and now Karen.

Your behavior is pretty rotten Shark! You are a big hypocrite - that's the bottom line!

GetRealOsos said...

Sewertoons:

Let's see what NWRI thinks. They didn't like Tri-W site.

Gravity is costly, old technology.

Tanks can be placed on the right of way.

Tanks take one or two days of disruption (per home). Gravity will take 5 to 10 years.

Didn't you hear about the two workers killed recently? It could easily happen here too.

Go back and watch Paavo's words and behavior (recent BOS & RWQCB). You can't deny that he's in on the fix.

Enough said.

Sewertoons said...

getreal, with support like this for Karen, she is sure to lose.

Mike said...

keep taking your meds getrealosos... they may soften the stroke headed your way...

just what will happen when Maria and Marshal are elected and then along with Joe, turn off any further "discussion" of ANY SEWER, ANY WHERE...and get the CSD back to attending to the business the Directors were elected to do...

The Sewer is NOT CSD BUSINESS...!!!! A legal crusade against all government entities is NOT CSD BUSINESS...!!!!

Resolving the BANKRUPTCY IS CSD BUSINESS...!!! The CSD is NOT a social club for a few extremists as Lisa has, and Chuck has been afraid to stop, turned this lame duck Board into... just a whinning bunch of corrupt losers they are being shown in court to be...!!!

Face it getrealoser, your vile tactics are backfiring right in your greedy face....!!!!! You frigging failure of a person and terrorist...!!!!!!!

Mike said...

If Shark, Richard and Gordon, TW, Paavo have scared the mealy-mouthed getrealoser so much that he has to strike out with such vehenomousity, I have to believe he is hiding something... He says STEP, but doesn't want to allow any other discussion...sure sounds like someone with their hands in the til...How much is Riley paying these days...??? We already know that the Wrecklamator is nothing more that another septic tank that will have to be removed once a real sewer comes in...

..and let me speak to one issue getrealosos raised... 2 workers were killed is a pipeline excavation... well chum, if the installation of STEP tanks were to be installed in the same fashion as the Reclamator Tank on Och/Murphy property was installed, I can foresee more than 2 deaths...before Cal-OSHA shuts down that mickey mouse construction... and, yes, I do know what I speak...!!!!

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

GetReal,

Let's consider (yet again) your veracity. Having to go over these once more makes me think that either you are slow or that you are willing to yet again say things which you cannot know are true and things which you know to be untrue just to "win". That makes me think that you don't care so much about truth.

You say that I live in Monarch Grove. Right.

You say that Monarch Grove is not in the PZ. Wrong. (If it wasn't, they would have just built the neighborhood with septics which would have been cheaper.)

I did not ever claim to have moved to Los Osos in 1995. Wrong again.

Perhaps you baited me into revealing some information about myself (by making false statements which I trusted), but doing so was sort of slimey.

If Karen is willing to have folks make false statements about Maria as part of her campaign, she is a low life. Even if it is someone doing this without her permission, if she's not willing to take a stand against it, she's made a Faustian bargain and is unworthy of being a LOCSD board member. I would rather a smart, honest and honorable person that I disagree with in office than someone I agree fully with who is willing to cut corners and bend the truth to win an election ... even if I were to agree with their goals. Again, Karen can clear this up tonight if she were to make a statement that she knows that Maria was anti-dissolution and she regrets that people writing for her campaign said otherwise and that she apologizes. Anything less would definitely be low life.

I am not a lobbyist for TriW or gravity or the recalled board or Maria or Marshall. I have asked some rather obvious questions about those who have made wild assertions in Los Osos. Like, for example, the claim that the folks running for the recall seats had a $100/month plan ... what is that plan?

To suggest that people employed by Poly shouldn't have the right to voice their opinion is what is unheard of, not my willingness to ask you questions about your statements.

I am not a hacker. For you to assert such based on what you know (or don't know ... you suggestion that I have done anything here like what I was accused of doing in Virginia just shows how little you understand) is just plain reckless. You've tried to take me to task for defamatory comments and yet you are willing to make the practice your own.

I wish I could end this comment positively, but I can't. I sort of hope you are (finally) being honest when you say that you are done writing to me. Presumably you are also done writing about me.

Boy it would have been nice had you been willing to actually engage with people in discussion here on the real topics that face our town. Maybe you'll focus your thoughts on more relevant and productive discussions when and if you return.

M said...

Boy, do ya think Mikes angry? And Richard accused me of being angry. I never said anything close to "....!!!!! You frigging failure of a person and terrorist...!!!!!!!. I guess i'll cancel my anger management class.

Mike, in an earlier post, suggested I must have alot of disposable income. I think it might be the other way around. You say you are going to redouble your contribution to Taxpayers watch. That would mean that you've doubled it before. Can you maybe list what you've gotten for your money? Maybe some of their successes, accomplishments. I know they weren't able to meet an agreement where under no circumstances was their bill not to be paid by a certain date and it wasn't.

You all claim to have no idea who sharkinlet is, yet when his true identity is exposed, you flock to him like David Karesh.

As I said earlier, sharkinlet is just another layer of corruption involved in this sewer. And mike, it will always be about the sewer.
Sincerely, M

Sewertoons said...

What has TW done?

Measure B - DEAD

AB2701 - the attempt at dissolution got the County and State in gear to successfully take the project from the CSD

The case against the 5 Directors - the public has found out more on how those Directors operated than they ever let on, that's for sure

We were Shark fans before anything as to his identity was known (I STILL wouldn't know him on the street). You are incorrect on your assumption

PS That is David KORESH, (not the way you spelled it)

Osos Change said...

Steve,

Here are the facts.

* I had spoken with the assistant of Richmond, VA police chief David McCoy this morning. Gary Ezzo filed a criminal complaint against you after you refused to comply with investigators regarding the incident. The cops were quick to say that they couldn't say, for sure, that you were a "hacker" but they said you obtained information that wasn't public information.

* You live on 2330 Fresno St. in Monarch Grove. True, one side of Fresno St. is in the PZ, but you are not. You were not assessed. Your neighbors were not assessed. In fact, you are on your own system and you don't necessarily have to hook up to the sewer. You said in mid-September that you were assessed for the recent 218 assessment vote. That is fiction.

* I informed Social Services, saying that I am a concerned citizen who is concerned about the welfare of your children. They are looking into the complaint.

* According to the techs at Cal Poly, who have monitored your computer activity, they said you have spent "...a great deal of time..." on Calhoun's Cannon according to browser history records, using your office hours to make defamatory statements regarding CSD board director Lisa Schicker among others.

* M wrote, "You all claim to have no idea who sharkinlet is, yet when his true identity is exposed, you flock to him like David Karesh..." Steve Rein has often met with members of Taxpayers Watch and has given them advice throughout the past couple of years. When people say they don't know who he is, that's an outright lie.

The era of Shark Inlet is over.

Mike said...

Sorry m... neither Shark or TW is not on trial or running for office... read it anyway you want, but the getrealosos and his clones, osos change and howie, are still of the mistaken thought that the LOCSD will somehow magically get back the waste water treatment project... no, Lisa, Julie, Chuck, John and Steve killed any opportunity LO may have faintly had... and to make sure, the cast of Gail's 12 puppets who trooped in front of the BOS and the RWQCB their several times drove the stake through the heart of any project management by LO...

The LOCSD does NOT have a sewer project now and never will again...!!!!!

What the CSD does have, is a mjor BANKRUPTCY... Just what have you contributed to resolving that...???

As far as being angry... you are damned right...!!! I don't know Shark/Steve personally, but his voice has been the most reasonable for a long long time and when a gutless coward tries his silly game on Shark, it does piss me off...

I'm tired of those defenders of the LOCSD wanting to continue the sewer war and stoop to the lowest and most vile tactics to force their way into the process... Just why was it so important to identify Shark...??? and to make up some lies without even talking with him... again that is a tactic from the recall, a tactic of creating a lie so outrageous that there was no defense... What if that tactic is a rumor created that made it sound as if one of the vocal move the sewer folks, maybe it was even you, was charged with prostitution, beastiality and publishing her photos on the internet while she was living in Irvine...??? Think you would like that hung on you...??? How would you like your parents to have to hear that said about you and know that while there was no truth, there would still be those spreading that false rumor....????

Elect Maria Kelly and Marshall for an honest CSD this time around...!!!!

M said...

See what I mean sewertoons. Or did you google David Koresh's name to get the proper spelling?
Sincerely,M

GetRealOsos said...

Sewertoons:

Are you telling us all that Pandora was TW before TW was formed when you said TW did: "AB2701 - the attempt at dissolution got the County and State in gear to successfully take the project from the CSD..."

Because, Sewertoons, Pandora told the County to take the project way before AB2701, she did that at the time of the recall itself.

So, again, I ask, was Pandora the NUMBER ONE who started TW???

Very interesting.


Mike:

You are just like Shark -- accusing everyone of the things that you do and are.

You're completely nuts.

P.S. Maria out right lied about all the people who want an affordable 2008 type project - she declares on camera that they are all "no sewer" people -- who is the liar? MARIA IS THE LIAR. She did this on camera twice. You can not deny that she lied about that.

Mike said...

Well I guess we all see the great "osos change" for what he is... He doesn't not have any answers for creating a sewer, but he has made his mission in life to try to ruin a couple others...

Isn't "osos change" the perfect Christian... osos change is frigging crazy...!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not hope you have a stroke, but when you do, make it massive as I don't want to be paying welfare to keep your sorry ass alive...!!!!

M said...

mike, why is sharkinlet so important?
Sincerely,M

Mike said...

you tell us...??? Shark must be pretty powerful for the osos asses to be be so consummed with him...

Maybe he has photo's of them in compromising situations... but he sure has them terrified...!!!! They better have a better lawyer than Shawna...

M said...

You know, one time awhile back, when I was trying to leave a post, I kept having to re-type the word verification until finally the letters spelled my last name, short of the last letter. I thought that was a little odd, but now I wonder.
Sincerely, M

Mike said...

Osos Change:

1...It is interesting to believe a "assistant" in Virginia, or anywhere, would put their job on the line for an unknown caller from Los Osos... but mayne you were very convincing... or maybe just lying again...

2..."criminal complaint"... filed by a cult leader and it was never resolved...??? sounds like you're reading something into the situation you know nothing about and yet are willing to create enuendo and spread as enuendo... or maybe just lying again...

3...a police officer or was it a clerk who would give an unknown information so specific as; "they couldn't say, for sure, that you were a "hacker" but they said you obtained information that wasn't public information." ...really..a cop would tell an unknown such information.... or just another lie...

Guess we'll know the answers to my questions tomorrow....

Now a really sleazy tactic...
"* I informed Social Services, saying that I am a concerned citizen who is concerned about the welfare of your children. They are looking into the complaint."

You a concerned citizen...???? and you contacted Social Services today... 10/13/2008... Very interesting... or just another lie...... I would hope you are equally being concerned about another LO Love Child....

You simply are a liar....!!!!!

Osos Change said...

Mike,

Go home.

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

OsosChange,

You make charges against me without any proof at all. You claim to have talked with some polce individual in Richmond, VA. I did not refuse to comply with any investigators, so either you were misinformed or you may have passed on information here incorrectly (whether intentionally or unintentionally, I don't know or much care). Simply put, I did not refuse to interact with investigators as you say.

For you to narc me out to Social Services is truly telling. You know nothing about me and to act on your threats and misinformation is truly telling.

There are no "techs" at Cal Poly who could comment on whether I have made "defamatory" statements. Perhaps there are some who could comment that I've loaded the comment section from Ann's website or even posted comments there, but that itself is neither a crime nor a violation of any Cal Poly policy. For you to say that it has been during my office hours is incorrect ... any comments I have made from on campus have been between other tasks or during my "break" times.

For you to further say that I have "often met with members of Taxpayers Watch and given them advice" is simply funny to me. I have never met a single member of TW nor have I offered any advice to anyone on any issues sewerish. Not only do you not know this to be the case, it is something that I deny.

Mike said...

Osos change...You sorry freak... I am making some calls tomorrow...if you can be so obsessive in your quest, I sure as hell can verify and expose your lies....

You never tell the whole truth, just enough to make the gullible think you know what you are talking about... and then you spread your rumor to make it sound like you've found something damming to who ever it is that you are smearing that time...

Why haven't you contacted Social Services about Tacker and her brat living in squaller... great sanitary conditions out there... oh but she was your heroine, did you sleep with her too...???

Go home...hell this is my home, I was born in SLO in 1943... my parents also still live in LO... and there are 3 other brothers and we would all like to chat with you...!!!

Mike said...

Richmond Police Dept.
200 W. Grace St.
Richmond, Va 23220

Customer Service
(804) 646-6842

Non-Emergency
(804) 646-5100

I need to have a criminal history check done. How do I obtain this?

You will need to go to the Police Information Desk at Headquarters, 200 W. Grace St., Richmond, VA 23220. You will need to bring two forms of identification with you, one of which must include a photo. The cost is $5.

The Richmond Police Department conducts only local criminal histories. If you require a statewide criminal history, you will need to contact the Virginia State Police at (804) 674-2000.

................
So, osos change, you may want to explain how you obtained any info... maybe played the Insurance Investigator card...??? just made up some convenient lie...??? But I am going to ask Interium Chief McCoy why his staff gave out such information over the phone and with no photo ID presented...

I would have to guess that you are either in the Ezzo Cult or are a non Christian to have become so obsessed with trying to destroy Steve like you also tried with Gordon... If you are who I think you are, I will be contacting the State with concerns about your lack of ethics....

Osos Change said...

Mike,

www.intelius.com

Internet background checks are the latest thing.

You're quite a moron. Go home, Richard.

Mike said...

Sorry chum... I'm not Richard or Gordon or Jim or Ray or Tim... Ralph or Tom or Bob or Bill...

...but I am your worst nightmare...and I can't stand a liar who tries to make himself out to be someone of authority who is really just a pile of weasle dung...

Mike said...

www.intelius.com

For $30 you can learn anything about anyone... well, ok, so some of it's not all that accurate...

This community should be aware that there are individuals who are not trained or licensed law enforcement personnel out there spying and making strange and often times, incorrect assumptions based on these records searches... apparently "osos change" is one such individual who will stoop to such extremes as spying on you and me... This is not the first time this individual has bragged about his ability to spy on us... He probably has a computer full of personal data for many many members of Los Osos... Would he try blackmailing someone with his data bank...??? Would he try to smear someone using faulty and misleading data and comments...??? Is he a sick individual for spying on his neighbors...???

You better be using a better data gathering resource than www.intelius.com to try to catch me, you lying amature detective...

Mike said...

www.intelius.com

I work at a law firm that specializes in consumer class actions and we are investigating Intelius. I'd like to hear from others who have had these same experiences with Intelius. Please email me, abby1100ny@cmht.com.

...also phone calls to the SLO Sheriff and DA may help to answer the questions regarding the legality of using data supposedly gleaned from a records search data base such a Intelius... I find it appalling that an individual in Los Osos would go to the extreme extent that osos change does just to smear someone...

SLO Sheriff’s Department
PO Box 32
1585 Kansas Avenue
San Luis Obispo, CA 93406

Records & Warrants
(805) 781-4588

Administration
(805) 781-4540

Crime Prevention
(805) 781-4547

Office of the District Attorney
County of San Luis Obispo
County Government Center, 4th Floor
San Luis Obispo, CA 93408
(805) 781-5800

Mark said...

Idiot wind for MIKE (take a pill and chill dude):

Someone's got it in for me, they're planting stories in the press
Whoever it is I wish they'd cut it out but when they will I can only guess.
They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy,
She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me.
I can't help it if I'm lucky.

People see me all the time and they just can't remember how to act
Their minds are filled with big ideas, images and distorted facts.
Even you, yesterday you had to ask me where it was at,
I couldn't believe after all these years, you didn't know me better than that
Sweet lady.

Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth,
Blowing down the backroads headin' south.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

I ran into the fortune-teller, who said beware of lightning that might strike
I haven't known peace and quiet for so long I can't remember what it's like.
There's a lone soldier on the cross, smoke pourin' out of a boxcar door,
You didn't know it, you didn't think it could be done, in the final end he won the wars
After losin' every battle.

I woke up on the roadside, daydreamin' 'bout the way things sometimes are
Visions of your chestnut mare shoot through my head and are makin' me see stars.
You hurt the ones that I love best and cover up the truth with lies.
One day you'll be in the ditch, flies buzzin' around your eyes,
Blood on your saddle.

Idiot wind, blowing through the flowers on your tomb,
Blowing through the curtains in your room.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

It was gravity which pulled us down and destiny which broke us apart
You tamed the lion in my cage but it just wasn't enough to change my heart.
Now everything's a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped,
What's good is bad, what's bad is good, you'll find out when you reach the top
You're on the bottom.

I noticed at the ceremony, your corrupt ways had finally made you blind
I can't remember your face anymore, your mouth has changed, your eyes
don't look into mine.
The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building
burned.
I waited for you on the running boards, near the cypress trees, while the springtime
turned Slowly into autumn.

Idiot wind, blowing like a circle around my skull,
From the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

I can't feel you anymore, I can't even touch the books you've read
Every time I crawl past your door, I been wishin' I was somebody else instead.
Down the highway, down the tracks, down the road to ecstasy,
I followed you beneath the stars, hounded by your memory
And all your ragin' glory.

I been double-crossed now for the very last time and now I'm finally free,
I kissed goodbye the howling beast on the borderline which separated you from me.
You'll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I rise above,
And I'll never know the same about you, your holiness or your kind of love,
And it makes me feel so sorry.

Idiot wind, blowing through the buttons of our coats,
Blowing through the letters that we wrote.
Idiot wind, blowing through the dust upon our shelves,
We're idiots, babe.
It's a wonder we can even feed ourselves.

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Mark said...

Last night at the forum I heard Maria never "splained" her statement:
"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."

But as Ann so eloquently pointed out in this morning's post:
"Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them."

This applies also to "aspiring"/perspiring politicians in your case...Maria.

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Mark said...

Now that I've explained why I believe...

Maria,

Why so angry? If you are this "snippy" now, I can only imagine what you'll be like when you are sitting on the Board.

Will you pledge to give up chewing gum during the meetings?

Beliefs and feelings are always true to the person experiencing them, which doesn't make it truth.

As Tommy Smothers recently said "Truth is what you get someone to believe"...

However, I prefer this defintion:
The meaning of the word truth extends from honesty, good faith, and sincerity in general, to agreement with fact or reality in particular.[1] The term has no single definition about which a majority of professional philosophers and scholars agree, and various theories of truth continue to be debated. There are differing claims on such questions as what constitutes truth; how to define and identify truth; the roles that revealed and acquired knowledge play; and whether truth is subjective, relative, objective, or absolute. This article introduces the various perspectives and claims, both today and throughout history.

Here is a link to AB 2701 for everyone's edification:
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/05-06/bill/asm/ab_2701-2750/ab_2701_bill_20060829_enrolled.html

I pasted in a few segments to illuminate some facts that some on this blog seem to have missed.

The bill would also require the Board of Supervisors of San Luis
Obispo County to prepare and submit a proposed assessment to pay for
the facilities, and, if certain requirements are met, to decide
whether to proceed with construction of the project.

(2) The agency responsible for eliminating these discharges is the
Los Osos Community Services District, which is a relatively new
agency, formed in 1998.
(3) The Central Coast Regional Water Quality Control Board has
imposed substantial fines on the Los Osos Community Services District
for failing to make adequate progress toward eliminating these
discharges.
(4) The Los Osos Community Services District has a relatively
small staff that has no experience of successfully designing and
constructing facilities of the size and type needed to eliminate
these discharges.
(5) The County of San Luis Obispo has a larger staff that has
experience in successfully designing large public works projects.

...Funny that the CS was formed in time to accept the CDO from the State. Remember the County issued the pollution permits in the first place. Perhaps the county should have received the community system CDO that were issued in November 2007...California is "Billions in the red" and the County at my last count was $20 million in the red.

So getting and staying fiscally responsible for the county might very well fall on the backs of those LO/BP citizens paying for the leaky sewerage study which could result in a project.

Then there is this:

(b) (1) The Los Osos Community Services District may borrow money
from public or private lenders and loan those funds to property
owners within the district to pay for the costs of decommissioning
septic systems and constructing lateral connections on private
property to facilitate the connection of those properties to the
district's wastewater treatment system. The district shall lend money
for this purpose at rates not to exceed its cost of borrowing and
the district's cost of making the loans.

So as you may read Maria, there just isn't any language to support your talking point:
"The community passed a 218 to ensure the out of town option."

Sorry..

Mark said...

Idiot Wind Lyrics
Artist(Band):Bob Dylan

To give credit where credit is due..

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

Mark,

You did not address the key point ... that passing the 218 allowed the County to continue exploration of sites, including out of town sites but that a failure of the 218 would have stopped the County cold.

Would you care to address this matter? Would you care to explain how a no vote on the 218 would have done more for allowing out of town?

Sewertoons said...

Gee mark, were you there at the forum last night? Did you submit your question? Did you go up to Maria before or after the panel and just ASK HER? Why, no you didn't!

Quit whining. I think 3 of us now have given you explanations; you just refuse to understand as you seem have some other "truth" you are trying to make stick.

Mark said...

sss,

Ssso you are sssaying that AB 2701 provided law that a sssucessful 218 is a prerequiste to ssstudying sssites?
If ssso please cut and paste that language for me please.

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

Mark,

No, I am not saying that. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote. Even so, I will address the issue you raise.

The County budgeted only so much toward the project before the required buy in from us. To study sites enough to get an EIR required more than than the County was willing to commit without a 218. Thus, while it wasn't written into AB2701, the 218 was necessary if we wanted to move forward with the County.

I would that someone who was moderately following events and who could put two and two together would be able to grok that one.

It would also be nice if you answer the question I posed to you ... how would a no result on the 218 help get an out of town treatment plant? At face value, the explanation you've been offered makes much sense and unless you explain how a no vote would promote out of town any better than yes, there is no reason to continue this discussion because it would be little more than a back-n-forth with both of us simply repeating what we've already written at least two times. That being said, are you gonna chose to move the discussion forward or should we let it die because you aren't gonna explain why you think what you seem to think?

Mark said...

sss,
You are sssuch a good county government commercial.

How's your RL and his merry Board "not doing a 218" chatter?

Osos Change said...

Mike writes,

"I work at a law firm that specializes in consumer class actions and we are investigating Intelius. I'd like to hear from others who have had these same experiences with Intelius. Please email me, abby1100ny@cmht.com."

Mike stole the line from this site.

From the site:

I work at a law firm that specializes in consumer class actions and we are investigating Intelius. I'd like to hear from others who have had these same experiences with Intelius. Please email me, abby1100ny@cmht.com.

Thanks,
Abigail


There were not any credit card problems. Intelius was fine.

Go home, Mike.

Sewertoons said...

How about mark answering Sharks question?

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Mark said...

After all these are answered Lynnette:

Questions Steve Rein refused to answer:

1. Legality aside, do you think it is morally or ethically acceptable for anyone to enter back sectors and password protected areas of a corporate computer, browse through files, take very specific information not made readily available to the public or linked as a viewable page, and then download and pass the information on to others?

2. For absolute clarity, are you asserting that you have never entered password or non-password protected areas of the GFI computers or that you never downloaded files from nonpublic areas of GFI computers and passed them (or their URLs) to another party?

3. Did you access and download or retrieve in any form, guestbook information from GFI computers?

4. In Christianity Today, (November 13, 2000) your name appears in an article written by Kathleen Terner clearly stating that "GFI asked legal authorities to take criminal action against Rein."

We were not made aware of this event from GFI or any other source (either publicly or privately) until Christianity Today made it public. Do you know how CT obtained this information? If you did not provide it, did you make a written protest to Christianity Today for bringing this issue to
public awareness implicating you in something possibly worthy of criminal charges?

5. Are you aware of any documentation or meetings noting that VCU took administrative actions against you or that VCU exonerated you in light of GFI claims relating to an unauthorized entry into password protected areas of their computers?

6. Are you maintaining that VCU did not request that you remove your "RedRhino" site from their computers in response to GFl claims against you?

7. Would you please clarify for us the circumstances surrounding your departure from VCU? What date did you officially resign from VCU? If you did not resign, was your contract just not renewed for some reason? What was the reason? You mentioned that you were hoping to relocate back to the west coast closer to family. If you resigned due to taking another job, we would really appreciate seeing a copy of your resignation letter or whatever documented evidence you have to notify VCU that you would not be returning. If your contract was not renewed, please provide the date that VCU notified you. Did you know that your contract was not being renewed before you decided to look for another job?

8. Please explain in detail how you came in possession of two versions of a letter concerning Roy Maynard which were in the GFI computer. Did you pass that information to Kathy Nesper, or anyone else? Were/are you co-owner of the PAM list with Kathy Nesper?

9. Are you saying that you did not meet with VCU officials or anyone else concerning the GFI claim against you?

10. Have you at any time notified the Ezzos of information to be posted on your site which may have impugned their character or their ministry efforts to find out if your information was correct? Did you ever ask them for the other side of the story on any specific issue? Please list those topics which you have listed on your site that you have discussed with the Ezzos before your post.

11. Would you please give us a prepared statement as to why you feel it is necessary to have the ezzoinfo website along with your biblical justification for your site.

12. Are you denying that your Red Rhino site which contained your personal information about the Ezzos was on VCU computers? Please quote the VCU guidelines regarding the use of their computers that gave you permission to use them for your own personal, non-university related purposes
related to accessing the GFI computers and downloading information that was not made public or linked to a viewable page.

Mark said...

Geez Maria,

Why did you remove your post? Not very responsible behavior, indeed.

Befitting of a perspiring politician but not a workable strategy for an aspiring politician.

Maybe it can be chalked up to the full moon tonight…

Lynnette, your thoughts on Maria running "away", will be appreciated.
After all she is still your buddy, isn't she?

sss feel free on this one as well.

I wouldn't want to vote for someone so volatile, would you? If so, why?

Sewertoons said...

mark, stop being an ass, answer Shark's question.

Bombarding the blog with your lengthy diatribe adds nothing to this discussion, but simply illustrates your unwillingness to answer even a simple question. But that has been your pattern all along, hasn't it.

Mark said...

Lynnette, your thoughts on Maria running "away", will be appreciated.
After all she is still your buddy, isn't she?

Do you eat with that mouth?

Sewertoons said...

mark, why won't you answer Shark's question?

GetRealOsos said...

Maria's response to the 218 statement was quite a stretch.

The 218 vote was a vote to tax ourselves. Nothing more, nothing less (a blank check at that).

It took Maria days to try to explain her (mis)statement. Again, quite a stretch on her part!

The County had $6 million to start with. That's a lot of money to play with and do what they want. I think the County had more than enough to study out of town sites.

Obviously, Maria made a misstatement and had to cover it up. Of course she has her campaign manager, Sewertoons and Lobbyist, Shark, to try to cover up her mistakes. They're always there for her. Hmmmmm.

Why DID Maria remove her (earlier) post on this subject?

P.S. Maria made another misstatement which she doesn't care to clear up. Maria LIED at least two times (on camera) about Karen, Piper, Mary, and others claiming as fact that they "no sewer" people. Why can't she answer that?

GetRealOsos said...

Mark,

Forget about Shark. You can't reason with a paid lobbyist. Besides, he's the expert on changing the subject and never addressing the facts.

Shark said a "no" 218 vote would have stopped the County cold. He's right about that. But that is beside the point. The County had $6 million to spend on whatever they wanted (mostly spent on Corolla and anti-step mailers).

That's why the RWQCB had to hand out some CDO's and NOV's and threats of fines to blackmail the town into voting yes. Governmental agencies working hand and hand torwards the same agenda. Indeed, it happens to be the same agenda that Maria has. Tri-W/Gravity.

What a scam it all is, but Lynette and Shark fight every single day on the blogs for it! That's their job.

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Realistic1 said...

grlo:

You said "The 218 vote was a vote to tax ourselves. Nothing more, nothing less (a blank check at that)."

Wrong. It was something more. It was a referendum by the property owners to get the project out of the hands of the incompetent post recall board.

Deal with it.

GetRealOsos said...

No Real,

You're wrong. That's what AB2701 did.

That's what Pandora & Group asked the County to do for them. Take it out of the hands of the new CSD (right at the time of the successful recall election) and have the County take the project away!... all in secret of course.

Again, it's a shame that God didn't give you Dreamers any brains.

Realistic1 said...

AB2701 would have been moot if the property owners hadn't assessed themselves, because it was the only way the County would agree to take on the project.

The overwhelming victory of the 218 was evidence of the property owner's desire to see someone else in charge of the project.

Agree, disagree. I really don't care.

Whatever happened to you not repsonding directly to anyone ever again? Just can't help yourself, I guess.

Have a wonderful evening.

GetRealOsos said...

Real,

Your post (above) makes no sense and certainly isn't true.

I said I would no longer respond Cal Poly Professor/hacker Steve. I'm not leaving this blog -- are you kidding?

Maria made a misstatement. You are (obviously) only trying to cover for her.

The 218 was blackmail - 30% didn't vote on something that would affect their pocketbook. The 218 is a law and had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH OPTION OR LOCATION OF OUR SEWER! THE COUNTY HAD $6 MILLION TO LOOK AT OPTION/LOCATION. Get real, Realistic. Stop the ridiculous spin.

P.S. Why don't you ask your friend (Maria) why she removed her earlier post? We will have to assume that she removed it because it was a misstatement of fact.

Thanks, you have a good evening too.

Mark said...

Getrealosos,

I agree with you regarding the constant chatter coming from sss, Lynette and MIKE.

These folks don't have a clue how good LO/BP has it with their own drinking water aquifer. But the like most people "They won't know what they have until it is gone".

The Nitrate problem could be solved using technology like Ion Exchange while preserving that lovely aquifer.

Many utilities, cities and special districts rely on Basin Water every day to help them meet their clean water needs. Basin Water has over 30 million gallons per day of installed capacity using this patented design. Unit capacities range from 300 gpm (gallons per minute) to over 2,000 gpm. With headquarters in Rancho Cucamonga, Calif., Basin Water (www.basinwater.com) is a privately held water treatment and services company with experienced professionals dedicated to delivering cost-effective and reliable water treatment systems and services to municipal, industrial, and governmental customers worldwide.

Time to think outside of the box...

Can the community really afford not to?

Sewertoons said...

Answer Shark's question mark.

GetRealOsos said...

Mark,

The hard core Dreamers want our homes and the County wants our water.

Again, it's a shame that God didn't give the Dreamers any brains.

They don't listen to the real experts, never have.

No brains.

GetRealOsos said...

Sewer,

Take your meds and get some rest.

Shark Inlet (a.k.a. Stiv Neener) said...

Mark,

The proper quote is

"Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They Paved Paradise
and put up a parking lot"


Big Yellow Taxi
by Joni Mitchell

Howie said...

Ron,

What's important here is that people beyond this blog now know that Shark Inlet is Steve Rein.

It's time, as one blogger put out there, for the Shark Inlet era come to an END. And it's come with a whimper.

Rein cries like the victim here: "I do seem to have a history of poking bullies with a stick and sometimes they play dirty."

Disgusting! Rein is obviously unrepentant, doesn't "get it" and never will. So here it is, one more time, for Steve Rein's sake, served up to him on a silver platter.

REIN: YOU ARE THE BULLY, NOT THE VICTIM! YOU PLAY DIRTY, THE DIRTBAG IS YOU!!! Y-O-U!!!

OK, Steve???? Got it NOW??? However, if you STILL DON'T "GET IT," don't hesitate to call Ann again and beg like the weenie you really are behind the mask of "Shark Inlet" ... and maybe, for old time's sake, she will shed a tear for the poor, toothless Shark, and take down those awful truthful words ... especially after the way you have treated her ... and many others who only stopped here for a moment to drink from the well of intelligence and fair play ... and got YOU INSTEAD!!!

Rein really doesn't look so smart anymore, standing naked and exposed, does he? Pathological liar, lobbyist, angry hacker, wimp and whiner, now laughingstock -- someone only Richard and Gordon could love because they, too, like Rein, are common criminals killing time awaiting justice.

Steve Rein now joins his cheap, low-life "heroes" in the Los Osos Hall of Shame. No wonder he defends them like one of his own!

No reasonable person should ever be naive here ever again and engage Rein without first understanding you are attempting to communicate with someone who is basically CERTIFIABLY INSANE for what he believes in. There is no sense in trying to find a way in to his one-note brain. Rein lives in a perpetual state of denial. Make no mistake about it. Steve Rein is a dangerous, even potentially violent person (like several other Dreamers) who could snap at any moment. Because of all the bad things he has said in the past to people as "Shark Inlet," because he lives in a bubble world that is bursting all over him, and because he knows better than anyone what he's said and done to people over the years as "Shark Inlet," outing Rein makes him very explosive. No one knows how far he might go. We now know how far he went and, regardless of any lame philosophical reason he might cough up, WHAT HE DID WAS ALREADY WAY TOO EXTREME!!!

Rein says he hasn't practiced hackery for 10 years ago and it's all in the past, but here he is in Los Osos doing exactly the same thing in did at VCU because, guess what, folks, STEVE REIN HASN'T CHANGED ONE IOTA!!! HE'S STILL THE SAME ROTTEN COWARD HE ALWAYS WAS!!!

Can you believe the guy responsible for all this 24/7 hate blogging is a Cal Poly Professor??? It boggles the mind. Shame on Cal Poly!!! SHAME ON CAL POLY!!!

Since Rein himself brought up his parenting philosophies as justification for his viciousness toward fellow Christians, I think it's only fair to question his parenting practices based on his blogging activities:

He blogs all days, blogs all nights, blogs at home, blogs at work ... has a wife, four kids, and a cute little dog ... is a professor of statistics (???) at Cal Poly ... does bits of work for CalTrans and DWR ... and STILL has tons of FREE TIME ... time to blog ... time to attack ... time to hate ... time to hack. Whatever his parenting philosophy is or isn't, I could care less, but his Internet obsessions are inexplicable ... and DOWNRIGHT CREEPY.

Rein, as a good Christian, must have missed the Sunday School Lesson that went something like: "WHATEVER YOU REAP, SO SHALL YE SOW"!

That Sunday he must have been blogging.